Waki report into the Post-Election Violence in Kenya PDF Print E-mail
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Wednesday, 15 October 2008

The report appears to have been released earlier today. You can find it here . Key findings below.

  

Findings


The findings we make in this Chapter are derived from the facts collated and analysed from oral and documentary evidence submitted before the Commission. There are 4773 pages of recorded sworn testimony from 156 witnesses and 144 other witnesses who submitted depositions and recorded statements. There are nine volumes of exhibits running into more than 3500 pages and we had at our disposal, in terms of our terms of reference, official reports of previous investigations, investigations from other institutions or organizations and research material from our own researchers and investigators. It must be said that the Commission had only a limited period to carry out exhaustive investigations and we do not doubt therefore that there may be information out there which did not reach the Commission. We were nevertheless encouraged by the enthusiastic support and response we received from members of the public and we believe the information gathered enables us to state with confidence that our findings are made fairly and fully.

The preceding chapters make various findings in relation to the topics discussed and those findings remain valid. What follows is a summary of the broad findings as distilled by the Commission. On the basis of those findings the Commission has made its recommendations as required in the terms of reference.

Findings in Relation to the Extent of Violence

  • A total of 1,133 people died as a consequence of the post-election violence. The geographical distribution of the deaths was unequal, with most of the
post-election violence related deaths concentrated in the provinces of Rift Valley (744), Nyanza (134) and Nairobi (125). The districts of Uasin Gishu (230), Nakuru (213) and Trans Nzoia (104) in the Rift Valley Province registered the highest number of deaths related to post-election violence.  

  • A total of 3,561 people suffered injuries inflicted by or resulting from sharp pointed objects - 1229, blunt objects -604, Soft tissue injury - 360, Gunshot - 557, Arrow shots - 267, Burns -164, Assault - 196, etc.

  • A total of 117,216 private properties (including residential houses, commercial premises, vehicles, farm produce) were destroyed, while 491Government owned properties (offices, vehicles, health centres, schools and trees) were destroyed.

  • Gunshots accounted for 962 casualties out of whom 405 died. This represented 35.7% of the total deaths, making gunshot the single most frequent cause of deaths during post-election violence. It was followed by deaths caused through injuries sustained as a result of sharp pointed objects at 28.2%. The Commission has received no evidence to suggest that where gunshot was recorded as the cause of death or injury, it was from a source other than the police. This calls into question the contention that post-election violence was a citizen-to-citizen violence, and it validates the view that police action ccounted for a good part of the post-election violence.


Findings In Relation to the Causes and Patterns of the Post- Election Violence

1. In contrast to the pre-election violence, which was mainly between candidates and their supporters, the post-election violence had a distinct ethnic dimension.

2. Initially, the violence witnessed was spontaneous and was in part a reaction to the perceived rigging of elections. In areas like the Rift Valley and the Coast, it targeted members of the Kikuyu and Kisii communities perceived to be associated with the PNU party and with President Kibaki who were seen as the beneficiaries of the "rigged" election, while in Nyanza and Western, the spontaneous violence was mostly directed towards government facilities and gradually took the form of looting and destruction, and while it also targeted Kikuyus and Kisiis, the intention appeared to be not to kill them but rather to be expel them and destroy their property.

3. Subsequently the pattern of violence showed planning and organization by politicians, businessmen and others who enlisted criminal gangs to execute the violence. That was the case particularly in Rift Valley and Nairobi. In places like Naivasha, Nakuru and the slum areas of Nairobi, Kikuyu gangs were mobilised and used to unleash violence against Luos, Luhyas and Kalenjins and to expel them from their rented residences and, similarly, organised Kalenjin youth particularly in the North Rift attacked and drove out Kikuyus living there.

4. Some of the pointers to the organisation include the fact that: In instances, warnings were issued to the victims before the attacks; the violence involved large numbers of attackers, often mobilized from areas outside the location of the violence; petrol and weapons were used in various places to carry out the attacks and destruction, which required arrangements as regards acquisition, concealment and transport; and sometimes the attacks specifically targeted only members of given ethnic groups to the exclusion of others.

5. Some responsibility for the violence must also be laid at the feet of the country's politicians who precipitated the violence by among other actions and omissions:

(i) Conducting the election campaigns in a strident and confrontational manner, thereby creating an atmosphere of tension;

(ii) For party political ends, casting the majimbo debate in ethnically divisive terms; and

(iii) Failing to create confidence among voters around the electoral
processes and institutions.

6. The administrative authorities, including the police, the security forces and the provincial administration, must also take responsibility for various omissions and commissions in regard to the violence arising from: failure to act on intelligence regarding the possibility of violence following the elections; failure properly to respond appropriately and adequately to the violence and its effects, thereby aggravating the suffering of the victims; in the case of the security agents and the police, resorting to an unjustified use of force and causing death and injury unnecessarily; and failure to act with discipline and impartiality and at times descending into acts of serious crime against civilians.

Findings In Relation to Sexual Violence

General
7. Because of the context in which it took place, the sexual violence experienced took the form of gang and individual rapes, many of which were ethnically driven, as well as horrendous female and male genital mutilation. Women and children's labia and vaginas were cut using sharp objects and bottles were stuffed into them. Men and boys, in turn, had their penises cut off and were traumatically circumcised, in some cases using cut glass. Furthermore, entire families, including children often were forced to watch their parents, brothers and sisters being sexually violated.

8. Aside from the above life shattering events, many victims of sexual violence experienced other injuries, lost family members, their houses, property, had no place to go or to turn for help, and have ended up alone or in IDP camps without a means of earning a living.

Perpetrators
9. The Commission found that perpetrators of sexual violence were not just ordinary citizens, neighbours, and gang members, but also significant numbers of security forces. These included members of the General Service Unit (GSU) as well as regular and administration police. Many victims let members of the security forces into their houses assuming they would help them. Instead, they found themselves being attacked by those they thought would help them. This entailed a gross betrayal of trust.

10. Members of the security forces also participated in gang rapes. In addition, they colluded with each other, including having some of their own standing guard outside victims' houses while they raped and mutilated inside victims'dwellings.

11. Even when victims told perpetrators (whether members of the security forces, gangs or individuals) that they were HIV positive, perpetrators chose to rape. This is likely to result in an increase in HIV AIDs in Kenya.

12. Perpetrators often told victims the sexual violence inflicted upon them was punishment for belonging to a specific ethnic group or purportedly having supported a particular political party.

Victims
13. For a variety of reasons, many victims were not able to access timely medical care, including obtaining the drug PEP, which if taken within 72 hours, prevents HIV AIDS and sexually transmitted infections. The reasons for not obtaining medical care included the following: a breakdown in security and the fear of leaving home, lack of transport, ignorance about PEP and not knowing they would not have to pay and could receive free medical care, fear of being stigmatized if it were known they had been raped, and an overriding concern to protect, feed, and shelter their children and family members at their own expense.

Response by Authorities
14. Authorities in general were totally unprepared to respond to sexual violence. Although the police took many victims of sexual violence to hospitals, the Commission also received evidence that in other instances they were unprepared either to record or investigate criminal complaints of sexual violence. This was exemplified by the Commissioner of Police, Hussein Ali's testimony to the Commission, where he stated "We will determine whether those crimes are fit and whether the people have been arrested and charged".

15. The void created by the lack of official response to sexual violence was partly filled by private hospitals, including the Nairobi Women's Hospital, some government facilities, and a number of NGOs, including the Kenya Red Cross.

Effects
16. Other than the extraordinary physical and psychological trauma stemming from being a victim of sexual violence, victims also suffered acute injuries, permanent disabilities, contracting incurable diseases like HIV AIDs and hepatitis B, ostracism, abandonment by their husbands and parents, loss of abode and income, as well as extreme feelings of humiliation.

17. The Commission learned from its own psychologist that many female victims still are alone, unable to cope with the above traumas and in need of help which is not available to them. A number of victims who had not received medical attention by the time they came before the Commission only managed to do so as a result of the Commission's intervention.

Findings In relation to Internally Displaced Persons


18. As a result of the PEV approximately 350,000 persons were displaced from their normal abodes of residence and or business. IDPs were concentrated in Western, Nyanza, Rift Valley, Central, Nairobi and Coast Province. About 1,916 Kenyans sought refuge in Uganda.

19. People were displaced as a result of violence and threats of violence. They moved from their places of residence and business to places considered safe like police stations, administrative posts, churches and trading centres.

20. Thereafter they moved to formal camps or were integrated with their relatives and friends in urban centres or their ancestral homes.

21. Conditions in the IDP camps were less than satisfactory. We found that security was wanting as IDPs were always subjected to threats by criminal gangs. We also found complaints about the inadequacy of food, shelter and sanitation. Most of the inhabitants of IDP camps were women and children.

22. Government and administrative response to the problems of IDPS was initially slow and ad hoc. The Kenya Red Cross Society, local and international NGOs and CSOs, faith based groups and individual volunteers played an important role in alleviating the suffering of IDPs by offering refuge, food, shelter, security, education, medicine, counselling and other needs.

23. The Government initiated "Operation Rudi Nyumbani" in April 2008 aimed at removing IDPs from camps and where possible resettling them back to their homes. Due to constraints of time and resources, the Commission could not fully make an assessment of the efficacy of this programme but found the following inadequacies;

(i) The sum of Kshs. 10,000.00 was considered inadequate by the IDPs to meet their need once they left the camps.

(ii) The so called "integrated" IDPs (i.e. returnees who went to live within the community) felt neglected as the program concentrated mostly on those who were settled in camps.

(iii) Security for those who wish to return to their farms and homes, particularly in the Rift Valley, is not fully assured and is therefore a hindrance to resettlement.

24. The IDP problem is likely to persist phenomenon until the Government and people of Kenya address the political problems that led to eviction of men, women and children from their homes and businesses.






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Numbers game
written by Kimemia , October 15, 2008
Just on a slightly unrelated matter, The story on the Beeb on this commission continues to insist 'over 1500 people died' in the violence. Is it perculiar that even when exact numbers are made available they continue to insist on using the most frightening estimate they can find?
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written by Stephen Wanyama , October 16, 2008
Gunshots accounted for 962 casualties out of whom 405 died. This represented 35.7% of the total deaths, making gunshot the single most frequent cause of deaths during post-election violence. It was followed by deaths caused through injuries sustained as a result of sharp pointed objects at 28.2%. The Commission has received no evidence to suggest that where gunshot was recorded as the cause of death or injury, it was from a source other than the police. This calls into question the contention that post-election violence was a citizen-to-citizen violence, and it validates the view that police action accounted for a good part of the post-election violence.


This is nonsense. There was guns a plenty on both sides in the RVP violence.
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Politicians off the hook
written by Kim G , October 16, 2008
Looking at the report, one gets the impression that politicians are off the hook. The report seems to apportion too much blame to the police while ignoring the role of political leaders and tribal militias. Or is it because the security forces do not have a political constituency and therefore do not possess enough votes? Not that I am defending their behaviour: crimes like rape, looting and torture must be condemned in the strongest terms. I just fear that blaming police while exonerating politicians due to their larger constituency means we will see more of the same in future. God bless Kenya.
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Major recommendation OK, the rest is crap
written by Vlad , October 16, 2008
I applaud the Major recommendation on constituting a tribunal of a sort or refer the matter to ICC. But the rest of the report, if we go by the snippets the newsapapers published, is crap. It reads like Maina Kiai and Ms Wanyeki wrote it: i.e. take all stories, any story and publish it as fact. Does anyone really believe GSU raped in Kibera and other slums? Think about it, gun aside, in very hostile environment, zipper open, and there's a cop doing that kind of thing. I doubt it. Sure, Kenyan police are frequently evil, but rape in these kinda circumstances ...

The other piece of chicken poop was about APs being trained, and transported (a whole 1400 of 'em) to rig the election in Nyanza. Really, if you were planning to rig Raila out, would you target Nyanza ... and use preumably GEMA cops to do the job? These jamaas must think we are all dumb. Besides, anyone who reads newspapers knew APs were being trained on handling the election 2 weeks to the day. Aaayayai!

Vlad

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written by Ngigi wa Kamau , October 16, 2008
Gunshots accounted for 962 casualties out of whom 405 died. This represented 35.7% of the total deaths, .... The Commission has received no evidence to suggest that where gunshot was recorded as the cause of death or injury, it was from a source other than the police.


Stephen,

I agree. This is probably the daftest statement in Waki's report. Media reports aired as far back as January indicated that arrows were significantly used to mask shooting deaths around Nakuru. Assailants would shoot and then insert arrows into the bullet holes ostensibly to portray the attackers as "traditional warriors" instead of - in many cases - competent police officers engaging in genocidal violence.

The almost singular focus on security agents works to absolve the masterminds of the violence - ODM politicians - from blame. By Waki's logic, it is not the progenitor of hatred & violence that should be brought to book as a matter of urgency, but the state agent (including the president) who is unwilling or unable to contain the resulting mayhem.

Practical consequence? The Agikuyu residents of Kamwaura village in Molo are still being subjected to genocidal violence - as recently as October 13 & 14, by Kalenjin youths intent on completing the pogrom of ethnic cleansing begun in late 2007.

Incidentally, the violence follows the recent meeting of all Kalenjin MPs - a panoply of genocidaires & venal men - at Ruto's rural home.

When will we develop a culture of indignation coupled with just action as a nation?

Sometimes one cannot help but wish that Ruto, the BB & Mwai would all receive a celestial recall?

Ngigi

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written by Dr. Ronoh , October 16, 2008
it is so sad to know that the state was involved in the killings of the folks in kisumu and many parts of the Riftvalley,. i cannot imagine the state house being used to plan to kill kenyan's and the state machinary that is suppose to protect the citizens is being used as a tool to kill them.
Kibaki and his men should tell us why they want to kill it's citizens using the guns and people paid thru' the taxpayers money..
we are keenly watching what will come up with this report...i expect kibaki to be taken to Hague..to face judgement like charles Taylor
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written by manta ray , October 18, 2008
From todays Daily Nation:

"..The report suggests some meetings were held in the run up to the General Election and others following raids on Kikuyu households in the Rift Valley.

Government spokesman Alfred Mutua maintained that no such meeting took place. Dr Mutua said that at no time did President Kibaki meet Mungiki in State House or anywhere else.

“We are puzzled by these allegations. The Naivasha attacks were, to our understanding, retaliatory attacks. How can meetings purported in the report to have occurred before the General Election have planned for revenge of violence that had not yet occurred?” he asked.

The Waki report refers to two separate meetings, one in State House and another in Nairobi Safari Club.

The Waki commission ruled that the Naivasha attacks between January 27 and 30 were planned and executed by Mungiki members supported by political and business leaders.

“The Commission has evidence that Government and political leaders in Nairobi, including key office holders at the highest level of government, may have directly participated in the preparation of the attacks,” states the Waki report.

So when were those State house meetings? Before or after the election? Something does not add up and Dr Mutua is right. Did Waki not proof read his report? This is the kind of incompetence that will give any of the named perpetrators the opening they need to trash the report completely such that by the time any tribunal is set up, it will have no credibility.
It looks like Waki was looking for an opportunity to exact revenge on Kibaki for humiliating him during the Judiciary probes early in Kibaki's first term, but in the process has lost the moral high ground needed to be trusted unlike the Kriegler report.
Some Kenyans are truly daft. Did Waki not realize that by virtue of being Kenyan, his conduct would be under greater scrutiny than Kriegler's?
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written by Mwarang'ethe , October 19, 2008
Manta Ray wrote:

So when were those State house meetings? Before or after the election? Something does not add up and Dr Mutua is right. Did Waki not proof read his report? This is the kind of incompetence that will give any of the named perpetrators the opening they need to trash the report completely such that by the time any tribunal is set up, it will have no credibility.

Our comment:

There is another/better way of interpreting the fact that it is said there were two meetings, the first one occurring before elections, and the other one after the "elections".

There is a possibility that Mungiki and its financiers knew there was no chance of civilised competition between PNU and ODM. Consequently, it may be that they expected there will be some violence/civil unrest as a result. Thus, the first meeting may be said to have been preparatory, while the second was meant to activate the violence. Viewed that way, we see no inconsistency in the Waki report.

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written by manta ray , October 20, 2008
Mwarang'ethe, please don't try to spin facts to fit your argument. Both meetings according to the PEV report allegedly took place BEFORE the elections, NOT one before and one after as you speculate: Please read page 121/122 of the report as follows:

"...The Commission received credible evidence to the effect that the violence in Naivasha between the 27th and the 30th January 2008 was pre-planned and executed by Mungiki members who received the support of Naivasha political and business leaders. The Commission has also evidence that government and political leaders in Nairobi, including key office holders at the highest level of government may have directly participated in the preparation of the attacks. Central to that planning were two meetings held in State House and Nairobi Safari Club in the run up to the election with the involvement senior members of the Government and other prominent Kikuyu personalities..."

This is so truly absurd only a fourth rate lawyer cannot see the inconsistency, and as i understand it, there is no room for inconsistency or speculation in a court of law, only incontestable facts.
Consider this: The violence in Naivasha between 27th and 30th January 2008 was executed by Mungiki who received support from Govt and political leaders in Nairobi, who had preparatory meetings in State House and Nairobi Safari Club to do the central planning in the run up to the election! Wow! Are these guys clairvoyant? They read a crystal ball? No, maybe they are prophets descended from Mugo wa Kibiru!
What is even sicker and more idiotic is the mouthful of platitudinous and self righteous outrage spewing from media personalities like Mutahi Ngunyi and Kwendo Opanga who should know better. Like i asked, did Waki not proof read his report? If not, why not?
I am afraid to say this, but the report has failed the test of credibility and will be torn to shreds by the time the perps high cost lawyers are through with it. No wonder Ruto has the sarcastic cheek to say those concerned should be arraigned in court to answer for their crimes.
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written by Mwarang'ethe , October 20, 2008
Manta Ray observed that:

This is so truly absurd only a fourth rate lawyer cannot see the inconsistency, and as i understand it, there is no room for inconsistency or speculation in a court of law, only incontestable facts.

Our comments:

(a) We think that you had your own pre-conceived ideas. However, since Waki did not live up to them, u must trash his report. By saying this, we seek not to deny you the right tom poke holes in it.

(b) Your argument that only fourth rate lawyer mess shows your lack of understanding of legal issues. Even the best lawyer, judges, legal academics make stupid mistakes in their arguments.

(c) Most importantly, u have missed or misunderstood the vital words in the para. you have quoted. These words are, "Central to that planning..." What it means is this, the report does not rule out other meetings may have happened b4 or after the "elections."

It only reports that these two meetings that were held b4 elections were key to the Naivasha violence. Thus, the report implies, were it not for these two meetings, the violence of 27th Jan etc, would not have occurred. In simple words, PNU had prepared to deploy violence b4 the Election Day, and all they did in January was to activate their plans and direct the attacks to Naivasha. It does not imply that PNU had prepared/planned violence to be directed at Naivasha on 27th Jan.

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No amnesty for mungiki
written by wuod aketch , October 21, 2008
Hehehe, and these are the same PNU that were crying louder than the victims!!
When Raila asked for amnesty for the young men imprisoned in the RV, PNU said "never". What can we tell Kibaki for his amnesty request for mungiki and himself? Just a simple NO.

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Inconsistency
written by Kim G , October 21, 2008
Mwarangethe, what the heck are u talking about?

"Thus, the report implies, were it not for these two meetings, the violence of 27th Jan etc, would not have occurred."

The violence in Naivasha was revenge for the violence in Eldoret, Kisumu, etc. Infact, most of the perpetrators of Naivasha and Nakuru attacks were themselves IDPs from elsewhere, combined with Mungiki. Lets put it this way, supposing there had been no post election violence, would the Naivasha attacks have happened? How could PNU plan before the elections for violence that had not happened? Please, let us think logically.
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written by Mwarang'ethe , October 21, 2008
Kim G observed that:

Mwarangethe, what the heck are u talking about?

"Thus, the report implies, were it not for these two meetings, the violence of 27th Jan etc, would not have occurred."

The violence in Naivasha was revenge for the violence in Eldoret, Kisumu, etc. Infact, most of the perpetrators of Naivasha and Nakuru attacks were themselves IDPs from elsewhere, combined with Mungiki. Lets put it this way, supposing there had been no post election violence, would the Naivasha attacks have happened? How could PNU plan before the elections for violence that had not happened? Please, let us think logically.

Our Comment:

(a)Well, we have news for you. It matters not whether it was revenge or not or whether it the IDPs and some Mungiki's as you want us to believe. What matters is this, in planned and well organised attacks in Naivasha and Nakuru, some terrible crimes were committed against innocent people.

(b) It seems to us, you are not well versed with issues at hand. If you read the Waki report with an open mind, you see that Kibaki was informed by the intelligence community that there was likelihood of civil disturbance if supporters of Raila felt that the elections were rigged.

Thus, Kibaki and his supporters knew/were aware that there was to be civil disturbances if elections were rigged, or were seen to be rigged. As a result, they organised both the armed forces (so many police in Nyanza for instance) and militia to kill and maim Kenyans. In the scheme of things, the report implies that two of the pre - election meetings were at the core of this organization.

The issue is this. Instead of ensuring civilised competition to avert civil strife, Kibaki and his supporters only prepared to counter that civil strife by use of armed and militia groups. That is the real issue in this report which you seem not to understand.

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Naivasha Violence
written by Kim G , October 21, 2008
I do not deny that serious crimes were committed in Naivasha. We all saw what happened there. I have read the Waki report with an open mind, but its you who only seems to concentrate on what Kibaki did/didn't do. Violence was going to happen either way, even if Kibaki had won cleanly and fairly. As a matter of fact, Dr Richard Leakey was interviewed in mid-December 2007 and even he admitted the high likelihood of violence regardless of the electoral outcome. The attacks of Naivasha and Nakuru were planned as a response to the attacks in Eldoret, Cherangany, Molo, Kuresoi, Kericho, etc which all began before the elections. If you read the Waki report as openmindedly as you urge us to do, you will see that buses and matatus operated by Kikuyus were being attacked in Eldoret even before Christmas.

One more question: if there were as many police in Nyanza as you claim, how come the city of Kisumu was looted cleanly? Oh, I forgot ... Ugandan soldiers did it!
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written by Mwarang'ethe , October 21, 2008
Kim G on October 21, 2008 wrote:

I do not deny that serious crimes were committed in Naivasha. We all saw what happened there. I have read the Waki report with an open mind, but its you who only seems to concentrate on what Kibaki did/didn't do. Violence was going to happen either way, even if Kibaki had won cleanly and fairly. As a matter of fact, Dr Richard Leakey was interviewed in mid-December 2007 and even he admitted the high likelihood of violence regardless of the electoral outcome. The attacks of Naivasha and Nakuru were planned as a response to the attacks in Eldoret, Cherangany, Molo, Kuresoi, Kericho, etc which all began before the elections. If you read the Waki report as openmindedly as you urge us to do, you will see that buses and matatus operated by Kikuyus were being attacked in Eldoret even before Christmas.

One more question: if there were as many police in Nyanza as you claim, how come the city of Kisumu was looted cleanly? Oh, I forgot ... Ugandan soldiers did it!


Our comments:

(a)We seek not to defend those who attacked Kikuyu/Gema people and their property in the Rift Valley or elsewhere. Those who engaged in such acts of violence against Kikuyu/Gema people must be prosecuted. Hope we can agree on that point.
(b)However, we shall/will defend vigorously; the right of Kenyans to engage in civil disobedience in defence of the sanctity of their votes. Hope we can also agree on that point as well. This is so because, it either the ballot or the bullet.
(c)To argue that violence was bound to happen anyway seems to us a very boring argument. It was the onus of Kibaki to ensure free and fair elections. He failed miserably. The result was the worst civil disturbances ever witnessed in Kenya. That is the real issue.
(d)Yes, it is true that the Naivasha and Nakuru violence was in response to killings in the Rift Valley. However, that does not rule out the fact that Kibaki and his supporters had prepared their militia to respond to any after election civil disturbances that they expected as a result of flawed elections. Simply, the killings we saw in these places could have taken place in any other place. It only happened that these are the spots the militia was directed to by those who had held meetings in State House before the elections. Those who planned and executed these acts must be prosecuted.
(e)Yes, we are concentrating on what Kibaki did or did not do. We offer no apologies for that. He was the head of the Government and the State. The constitution has allocated to him the role of a protector and guarantor for our rights and to ensure that they are available to all of us. He failed to do so.
(f)The fact that there was looting in Kisumu does not disprove that there was massive deployment of police there. It can only prove one thing, the incompetence of Kenyan police and their bosses all the way to the commander in chief. We may even ask when Ruto was attacked by Nyachae’s militia, were the police not watching? What did they do?

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written by manta ray , October 21, 2008
Mwarang'ethe, Please do not purport to teach me english. I understand it very well. Waki has tied himself up in knots with the allegations about the meetings, and so have you. You say:

"Thus, the report implies, were it not for these two meetings, the violence of 27th Jan etc, would not have occurred."

Meetings that took place in the run up to the election? How utterly illogical and shamelessly partisan! This statement is so outrageously stupid. Please get it into your head that the Waki report is inconsistent in that respect, and it is up to you to prove convincingly how he means other than what he has written.
I can, however, assure you that i would never have you as my lawyer. If i was a murderer, i might as well hang myself. Your arguments have no basis in logic, some are outright lies, and you obviously will say anything just to be seen to win an argument, no matter how absurd.
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written by Stephen Wanyama , October 21, 2008
Mwarang'ethe suffers ODM damu, a blood condition that indicates with an inability to make sense of facts, instead forcing the pathetic victim to seek solace in such fictions as are published here by Waki.

I am very angry about the violence, we all should be, It is unacceptable that anyone, any Kenyan should die for their political beliefs, or their ethnicity. However, it's clear that Waki allowed as truth, every last imagining and fantasy possible. He might as well have gone to Zain and Safaricom, collected the texts set in December and found a line of best fit, veering sharply towards the BB's axis.

Our take? smilies/wink.gif
Those attending these State House meetings were not paying much attention. The Naivasha retaliations were a full four weeks after the beginning of the ODM's campaign of mass murder, which Waki also tells us begun as early as June 2006, and which continues to this day in the Rift Valley (mid-October ODM murders), and even in Western Kenya where, with the happy encouragement of the minister of Lands, Kenyans, yes, your fellow citizens have been banned. I wonder what the legal position is on that.
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written by manta ray , October 21, 2008
Stephen, yaani he is ODM positive? Wow! No wonder he starts every sentence with the phrase "our comment". Maybe when he goes to the bar and he is given a wrong beer, he says, "our comment:That beer is cold."
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written by Mwarang'ethe , October 21, 2008
Manta ray wrote on October 21, 2008 that:

Mwarang'ethe, Please do not purport to teach me english. I understand it very well. Waki has tied himself up in knots with the allegations about the meetings, and so have you.

Our Comment:

(a) It seems to us, you are full of yourself. We never sought to teach you english or any other langauge. In any case, who are we to teach you the genius?

Manta Ray wrote:

Meetings that took place in the run up to the election? How utterly illogical and shamelessly partisan!

Our Comment:

(a) What is so illogical about the statement that there were two meetings held before elections to plan how to kill and maim Kenyans if they dared challenge Kibaki's nonsense?

If there is, why not teach us Mr? Do you have information that there were no such meetings? And if yes, do you have the evidence? And if you have, why not wait and present the same to the Tribunal Mr?

Manta Ray observed:

I can, however, assure you that i would never have you as my lawyer. If i was a murderer, i might as well hang myself.

Our Comment:

(a) This is an example of kitchen sink strategy argument. We cannot dignify it with any response.

Manta Ray observed:

Your arguments have no basis in logic, some are outright lies, and you obviously will say anything just to be seen to win an argument, no matter how absurd.

Our Comments:

(a) No basis in logic. Give us an example please.
(b) Outright lies. Give us an example please.
(c) We will say anything. Examples please.


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Manta Ray said:

Your arguments have no basis in logic, some are outright lies, and you obviously will say anything just to be seen to win an argument, no matter how absurd.

Our Comments:

(a) We are aware that logic is the lifeblood of the law.
(b) However, we are also aware of the fact that there is more to the law than just assembling logical expressions.

Let’s cite an interesting case called Dred Scott. In this case, according to the majority:

- The major premise was this: When Americans adopted the Constitution, ALL STATES considered members of the black race to be inferior and thus incapable of being citizens and suing in federal court.
- The minor premise was this: Dred Scott's ancestors when the Constitution was written were members of black race.
-Conclusion: Dred's Scott's ancestors were considered to be inferior and incapable of citizenship and of suing in federal court.

In this case, the majority were prisoners of logical arguments as you seem to be. It was the dissenting judge who understood that it is not all about logic. Thus, we are not as ignorant as you would want to think.

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written by Kim G , October 22, 2008
Mwarangethe,

One area where ODM and its supporters have succeeded is in propaganda. As Joseph Goebbels (NAZI propagandist) once said, if you repeat a lie very often, people will beleive it is the truth. ODM repeated the rigging claims so many times that even if they had lost clean and square, their supporters would never have accepted the loss. Infact, both Kriegler and Annan came to Kenya beleiving that Kibaki had rigged but closer examination of facts revealed that the truth was much more complicated than that. ODM repeated the lie that there were Ugandan soldiers in Kisumu so many times that I know of people in Central who came to beleive it. ODM provoked violence in Rift Valley, Nyanza and Western by repeating the lie that Mungiki was going to finish all pro-Raila tribes. Now, faced with evidence that the post election violence was planned, they are beginning to churn out lies that Naivasha and Nakuru violence was pre-planned in State House before the elections.

In order for anybody to plan the violence in Naivasha and Nakuru, they would have had to predict the large scale violence elsewhere. They would have had the capacity to control and direct violence in Eldoret, Kisumu, Kericho, Molo, Kuresoi, Ravine, etc. But look at the victims in those places! Are you implying that Kalenjin warriors were directed by state house to start violence, so as to provoke violence in Naivasha and Nakuru? Your theory is just too incredible, probably even beating JFK theory in incredibility.

Truth is truth and cannot be suppressed forever. Terrible acts of violence were committed by all the sides to the conflict and no amount of buck passing will erase that. I suggest you read the Waki Report in its entirety before you regurgitate lies from genocidaires.

Speaking of genocidaires, do you know that the Rwanda genocide was carried out by people who proclaimed its "spontaneity?" They said that violence between Hutu and Tutsi was sparked by the shooting down of the presidential jet in Kigali on April 4th 1994. Of course, now we all know the truth that violence was planned. There already existed vast warehouses filled with machetes, guns and rungus.
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