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Written by Peter Ndiangui   
Tuesday, 16 October 2007

When Raila Odinga paid a visit to the Stock Exchange yesterday he met not only with bitter investors but with fearless bourse directors who told him he stood accused for the meltdown in the NSE.

It is a long time since Raila took the podium in Canada last year, and told a shocked audience that the bull run on the stock market was due to its use as a destination for the proceeds on drug trafficking and trade and not because of a shift in economic fundamentals. But in that time, a succession of similar sentiments has led many investors to be particularly attentive to his utterances, and to conclude from them that a Raila presidency would not be a good thing for the stock markets. The ODM leader is a controversial man, one who has often got two divergent opinions on most matters but even he would be hard put to explain how else Kenyans should have translated his opinions.

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NSE Chairman Mbaru, long ago warned ODM against causing instability in the markets

That the ODM leader was speaking to an educated and discerning audience lends us to believe that he must have meant what he said. It was hardly a slip of the tongue, and the facts prove that he could not have been more wrong. The NSE was not growing in isolation. Across the board, large corporate entities were reporting solid earnings; some of them even record profits. Forward financial performance numbers for this year were looking brighter than ever; and for those investors who elected to ignore Mr. Odinga's careless allegations, there have been great returns on their funds. It will be up to the individual voter to decide whetheror not the Langata MP's attitude is one of extreme negligence but it does not bode well for his role as a guardian of the well-being of the people of Kenya, and their economy that he should at all be perceived as a threat to the growth and increased prominence of the financial markets. In addition, given that it is clear the market needs urgent reform, any future head of state will have to be able to negotiate such reforms without setting off a panic, or dampening the confidence of investors in the bourse. This necessarily behoves his working at creating a good working relationship with the financial community, instead of anatagonising it.

 

"Investors want to know: are you a communist, a socialist or a capitalist?" James Wangunyu, VC NSE.

It may be a belated realization of his stature and the duties that come with it, that drew the ODM head to the stock market yesterday. But in the end it was merely a cosmetic visit as he failed completely to answer the questions put to him, and even worse seemed unaware of the workings of the markets.

In reply to questions on what his political ideology is, the ODM boss spoke about the need for a fairer distribution of resources, and an increased supervision in the bourse to protect investors. These are indeed all laudable goals, but one cannot then understand why Raila has failed to use his prestige in parliament to craft a law that would achieve these goals. One does not need to be in government to bring about change, and Kenyans of all stripes who are increasingly investing in the stock market would no doubt have been grateful for increased protection of their savings. Kenyans for example can remember Joe Donde's interest rates bill and those of Oloo Aringo among others as a sign that even back-benchers with no clout can make their parliamentary careers count for something.

Strengthening the Capital Markets Authority would indeed be attractive to institutional investors and even to foreign investors looking for secure returns in a rapidly growing economy. For the failure to achieve this, we must not just blame Odinga, but also the entire government and the members of parliament.

 
 

The problem however is that in choosing to go about things the way he has, Raila is causing a lot of worry. Let us assume that he is sincere in his desire to have a better regulated bourse. Does the fact that he is only prepared to attempt this when in State House mean that he will force these reforms through? Does he not see that the prospect of such reforms without the participation of stakeholders is unnerving? Does he also not realise that given his other statements on the economy, for example on focusing on Gross National Happiness instead of Gross Domestic Product are likely to concern investors? Does the ODM MP have any advisers, and have they put across to him that it is vital that the markets do not see uncertainty in the future?

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We certainly do not know what Gross National Happiness and other such formulations are, and in the stock market the uncertain leads to people pulling their money out. That much is the reality, the markets are all about perceptions and managing risk.

What makes the ODM leader's sentiments doubly worrying is the fact that they are not his alone. Some of the loose talk peddled by his counterparts like William Ruto for example portrays the kind of street talk that would be more efficacious in village political barazas, where no eye will be batted at such populist talk. Talk of the manipulation of the stock market and the mis-pricing of securities coming in the same week as the Treasury attempts an infrastructure bond listing on the London Stock Exchange (LSE) is incredibly irresponsible, and shows just how ignorant of the world of international finance the ODM party are. If investors see the incoming party as likely to radically change the constitution of the country's economy, the chances of the bonds success will be very slim indeed.

That the ODM get its act together is especially urgent as it is not just the equity markets that have been affected by the prospects of an ODM victory at the General Election. The Central Bank has had to up the yield for a 10 year bond to 10.2% as investors price the risk of ODM's victory into the bond market. The markets it seems are united in their appraisal of the ODM team's management prowess as essentially low, but even worse unpredictable and haphazard.

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It is true that the markets are not always right and perceptions sometimes run parallel to reality. In which case we must ask that the ODM team do all they can to assuage investors, publish a plan for the next five years and specific proposals for what an ODM government would change in the system. It is not that investors and the markets do not want change. What they abhor is surprises and a portrayal of ineptitude.

ODM can achieve this without losing anything in their electoral battle with the government, and what's more if they win the election, that calm will be to their advantage. When S&P's Ratings Services for example assigned Kenya a sovereign B+' long-term foreign currency and 'BB-' long-term local currency credit ratings, it was pointed out that this assessment was supported by continued progress in economic reform and enhanced macroeconomic and political stability. It was however pointed out that governance and political issues might affect Kenya's future credit scores. It is these credit scores that are used by investors to gauge the prices of money to be lent in the form of bonds. With a diminished rating, the capital raising strategies of the Treasury will fall apart, and if ODM are then in government, it will be them ruing their brash and irresponsible approach. These are now the big leagues, and if ever there was a need to put on their statesmen suits, this time is it.


Peter Ndiangui
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who regulates NSE?
written by mimimzalendo , October 16, 2007
I'm still struggling to understand this? Economics 101 tells us that the Government regulates the markets. Who regulates NSE? The government or ODM!
Unless the government is busy with politics and ODM is busy preparing to Govern.
It was shameful to see Govt continue fomenting trouble while ODM calmed the markets.
I ask again, NSE Board officially in a statement has told us since Nov/Dec 2006, share prices have been fluctuating heavily with a downward trend, why did the government not address this instead of going on about"fish markets".

FIDUCIARY responsibility is never a forte for political parties (whose only job is politics 24-7). It is the duty of Government and on this one, they goofed.

Ethnic elites might hide behind facades, but as an investor I don't care what colour the party flag is, what song is sung, whose face is on the coin as long as there's money in it for me.

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Peter Pan
written by Man R , October 16, 2007
Kimunya is just trying to cover his poor performance by crying wolf! wolf! Kwanza he threw a veiled attack toward Luos while attempting to attack Raila.

The 'This is not a fish market" comment is what I'm talking about. It's sad that PNU, which in Kimunya's case stands Porojo Na Ukabila, keeps complaining how ODM is playing tribal politics yet they cannot miss a chance to fan tribal animosity. Raila is a leading business man in Kenya, he's also highly educated, surely he understands the meaning of the stock market.

Kimunya should know better than to use images that evoke negative emotions or look as if he's saying more than he was actually saying.

Kimunya's statement, a veiled attack on all Luos, is yet another example explaining why the Kibaki PNU is loathed outside Central Province.
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written by Tim Norwood , October 17, 2007
Come on people. Are we suggesting that it is Kimunya's duty to follow after Raila cleaning up for him? Is Raila not the same goon that hit Kimunya in Parliament? In comparison, the 'fish' comment was actually rather tame.

As to whether Raila understands the stock market or not, I do not think he does. If he did he would not have said the things he said. As Peter is at pains to explain, the markets are all about perception and confidence.
Raila is not a leading business man, he is a leading rent-seeker and monopolist.

It is not just the NSE that Raila is ignorant about, he is ignorant about most things to do with economics. Most dangerous to investors however is his meddling habit. Why not let the markets be?
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trouble on the horizon
written by Mr.Kay , October 17, 2007
Raila is already causing instability in the markets...Kenya is in trouble.
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written by Tim Norwood , October 17, 2007
I'm looking at my comment and it looks like I do not believe any intervention is necessary. I believe it is, but it has to be managed, there need to be plans. This is the real problem the ODM leader should be addressing across the country, the perception of him as a careless, uncouth, autocratic meddler.
That is certainly how he has run his political organisations, and it is necessary that he work to counter these views. I believe that was what sent him to the NSE. A good move, and one that shows he is alive to the challenge of being head of state, but it is vital that he set out a plan, not just him but the whole of ODM, what should we expect in 2008?
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Tim no-words...
written by Man R , October 17, 2007
Raila understands the stock market very well. There are many things Kibaki and his crew have done that have sent investors packing than anything else, the lack of security and out-of-control corruption are the biggest reasons investors are citing for relocating to, of all places, Uganda.

We know Kenya has become a major drug dealing center under Kibaki so there is a great possibility that plenty of investors are putting in blood-money in the NSE. Instead of jumping like people stung in the rasa by a bee, what NSE should have done is conduct an investigation and assure investors. I also question the sources of a lot of money circulating in Kenya today especially when dealing with this erratic economy that Kibaki has presided over. It's a very valid concern and NSE should not wave it away without assuring investors.

Come on people. Are we suggesting that it is Kimunya's duty to follow after Raila cleaning up for him? Is Raila not the same goon that hit Kimunya in Parliament? In comparison, the 'fish' comment was actually rather tame.

As to whether Raila understands the stock market or not, I do not think he does. If he did he would not have said the things he said. As Peter is at pains to explain, the markets are all about perception and confidence.
Raila is not a leading business man, he is a leading rent-seeker and monopolist.

It is not just the NSE that Raila is ignorant about, he is ignorant about most things to do with economics. Most dangerous to investors however is his meddling habit. Why not let the markets be?


Stop this nonsense of attacking Raila even for things we all know Kibaki has caused. Raila is a leading businessman in Kenya, he runs one of the most successful and unique business serving not just Kenya, but a chunk of East Africa.

This government has messed up a lot and it's every Kenyan's moral duty to stop it from transacting any major business at this moment especially since all indicators show it's a government on its twilight.

And there is also a great possibility that Jimna Mbaru and his PNU, Porojo Na Ufisadi, crew in NSE manipulated the market. We know Jimnah Mbaru is all about preserving Kibaki at all costs and I wouldn't put that past him.

The truth will come out next year when a government that knows what it's doing will be in place.
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Market Factors
written by obamab , October 17, 2007
the writer of the article has yet again proved to be less than pragmatic when dealing with issues related to the country. deciding to give his view disguised rather poorly in lots of words. this article could have been summed up as "Raila has caused the NSE prices to drop". I don't agree with the comments about Raila this and Raila that, this comment are purely speculative at the best and should be treated with the contempt i have for the article. there are many other factors that affect the prices on the stock exchange which the author has chosen to overlook. again giving the article nominal significance in highlighting the role of the comments that Raila made more than 1 Year ago.
What about things like the speculative nature of the market, what about the impact of the upcoming Safaricom IPO, what about the strengthening of the shilling against the dollar and other foreign currencies, what about the withdrawal of the institutionalized investors from the markets due to quarterly reviews, what about the drop in the the NSE over the last months, what about the effect of the election euphoria gripping the country.
the implication that Raila's comments causing the fall in the price is outrageous and should be handled with dismay as such comments give this platform a pro-government and anti-Raila affiliation. this is supposed to be an area of discussion albeit ones tribal inclination.
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Obamab you are spot on!
written by seline , October 17, 2007
I read the article and i thought either the economics i was taught was wrong, but it is the writer who needs to go back to the classroom. With some knowledge and experience in stock markets, , i do agree with Obama's comments. we really cannot dwell on one excuse as the main cause of the drop in the NSE.But then again, when it comes to matters economics, politicians always have it all wrong.With all this blame game going on, we'll soon be blaming Raila when tha rain does not stop.If we have to move on as a country, we have to think up strategies that will improve the economy , not point fingers all the time, and i mean all the time-this is getting boring.
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written by emmo opoti , October 17, 2007
Ndiangui,
Kudos on a very well written article.

ManR,
What is Raila being blamed for that Kibaki caused?

Obamab,
I expected better from you. Is the article attacking Raila or asking the ODM to be more responsible?
You may not believe it but there definitely is an air of uncertainty at the stock market. Are you saying you do not know of anyone who has pulled out of the exchange? Are you saying you don't know anyone who is holding off investing in Kenya because of the uncertainty? Are you really saying, whether irrational or not that the stock exchange is not afraid of an ODM government?

Let's say you were holding KenGen stock. The Langata MP has pledged to nationalise the company. Why would you hang on to those shares?
Let's say you are a money-launderer, and the man who knows what you are up to is about to become President. Would you hang on to those shares, or will you cash in now?
Let's for a moment assume that the likes of Jimnah got some stocks irregularly. WOuld they hang on to them?
All the talk of inflation is mere damage control on the part of the exchange's bosses. We are talking here of a sudden drop, way beyond the general correction we had earlier in the year.

Kimunya is hardly blameless, but I suppose his comment was partly aimed at drawing for the electorate the difference between the two parties. The crucial thing, which the writer points out is that the politicians appreciate that the prospects of a change of government always lead to revisions in the markets. There is an urgent need that they come out and show a steady hand, promulgate their policies and assure the markets. Raila to his credit is aware of this duty, even if his myrmidons, sadly, are not.

No one is claiming that the reductions are all due to Raila's statements from one year ago. There are other factors it is true, many of which can be linked to the uncertainty over a Raila led government.

Seline
There really is not much scope for debate here. Either the exchange is wary of an ODM government or it is not. A little bit of browsing will show you that it is indeed afraid of an ODM government. The next question is, why is this so? The questions posed to the ODM leader at the exchange explain this best. Here is a link.

Why is it that those allied to ODM are always complaining about the freedom of speech of others. Please feel free to take up your pens and take advantage of that very freedom? Let's hear please if someone's article has been rejected?

P.S. I think whether or not Raila is a communist is a silly question, even as it portrays that part of the irrational fears behind the jitters on the exchange are sincere.
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written by Stephen Wanyama , October 17, 2007
By way of explanation,
Here is what happened when Taiwan elected a pro-independence candidate.
And even a massive exchange like Mumbai's saw a collapse after their last election.
And another one from the United States here.
The editors here should not tolerate any comments about names, and tribes and such nonsense. If you are opposed to what someone has said, offer an opposing argument. Do Luos not have holdings in the stock exchange?

Emmo,
I thought you were pro-nationalisation?
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written by Timothy Wainaina , October 17, 2007
Just to add to the list of ifs,
What would the stock market's reaction to these positions be?
a) the ODM government will concentrate on equality of distribution and not wealth creation. - this would be my position too, but remember we are talking about a market that has a head of its own. It is not a charity.

b) ODM will usher in Majimbo. This presages a bout of borrowing, and a lot of spending by the government on building and such. More than likely some money is going to be printed for these stunts, as I cannot see how the taxes we pay can sustain it.

c) all the promises of pay hikes- teachers, civil servants, etc.

d)Many Kenyans are new to this kind of investing and our bourse is small, and so Raila's sentiments on nationalisation of the likes of KenGen and Kenya-Re were definitely going to have a heavy impact on the market. Would you hang around with your stocks? Waiting for him to announce in January and then have your stock worth 1/-?

Now add all this to the confusion on Raila's statements about Jua Kali, add this to his statements in Australia rubbishing the importance of the service sector, and then add all the other factors and you have the discouraged market.
P.S. No one has mentioned the Safaricom IPO another reason people may be selling.
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written by Timothy Wainaina , October 17, 2007
If I may say. There is also a perception among Kenyans ( not sure if it is based on reality) that the majority of people with stocks are Kikuyus, hence some of the unfortunates above.
I think this is what informs part of the bitterness towards the bourse. I used to see this attitude from many people towards Kalenjins during Moi's time and now I know what it must have felt like. Maybe this is why Raila took his daughter with him, to show Kikuyus that he had no malice towards them?

In my opinion, he is at least trying to quell the fears, which even though his supporters deny it, are very real.
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written by Kamale , October 17, 2007
Peter

A very well written article!!

Man R

I want to agree with Stephen Wanyama. You cannot advace an argument by always bringing in individuals and tribes. It should be patently clear that any mention of names as used in the context of this article is intended to clear link party leadership to their presidential candidate.

Stephen

Emmo is actually anti-nationalisation!

For those of us who regularly trade at the NSE and have had the benefit of analysing the movement of the stock, it is easy to rubbish the contention by Mwebesa, CEO of the NSE that it is inflationary pressure causing sale of shares hence the current fall in stock prices. The reason is that apart from institutional investors who are mopping up millions of shares being sold cheaply, quite a bit of the stocks are actually owned by fledgling Investment Clubs and then we have a minority of retail individual holders. The investment clubs are not likely to respond to inflation to sell their shares to purchase Unga neither do I think that there are individuals who would have taken the NSE as their savings point, hence are bailing out to feed their stomachs.

There are real reasons for the fall in the market. When the rumour started about the dangers of holding any stock with a Raila presidential possibility, very many retail holders decided to bail out and all that this did was accelerate the falling of stock prices. Taken in conjunction to the fact that he had been quoted as saying that he would nationalise the previously privatised parastatals, it was easy to sell off and hedge yourself especially in an already falling market.

The stock prices started their decline earlier in lat July and have progressively gone down. As in the past, this was being driven by people preparing their war chests for the Safaricom IPO. A similar phenomenon was noticed prior to the Kenya Re IPO as well as the Access Kenya and Scan Ad IPO's all of which were oversubscribed.

Raila or ODM are probably not the cause of the decline in prices at the NSE, but their perceived popularity on the grounds that they will be calling the shots next year was a definite ACCELERATOR of the steep decline. His appearance at the trading floor of the NSE was meant to cool nerves that were already frayed. Some may call it acceptance of responsibility of the comments he made whilst others may read it differently. But we can all agree that ODM opened itself to serious scrutiny with the effects felt at the NSE.
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Giving away the table silverwa
written by aeichener , October 17, 2007

Emmo is actually anti-nationalisation!


Huh?
No, he definitely isn't. If anything, he is anti-privatization, because in Kenya, "privatization" is only a pretence to plunder the public coffers for a select few, and leave the people more impoverished than before.

Alexander
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Interesting stuff, Peter.
written by cirdan , October 17, 2007
Peter,

I'm delighted you've turned your attention to this.

I think it's evident that Raila has misstepped here. There seemed two sensible ways to go: the populist (a la Donde) route, or the elite one. The first might have consisted in publishing a plan to reassure smaller share-holders that their investments would be protected, and that the markets would be reformed (Stricter rules against insider trading? more transparency?). Since the vast majority of those who now own stocks are new(ish) buyers, and the vast majority of those are 22-40 y.o. young professionals and skilled workers (precisely the constituency that Raila requires to lock in his dominance), and since a simple, clearly-explained regulatory plan (again, a la Donde) would have won them over decisively, this seems like a wasted opportunity.

Strangely, he hasn't taken the the elite path either. He might have let the big boys know that nothing much would change; instead, he seems intent on frightening them.

On the whole, the shouting-at-the-markets strategy seems ill-conceived and counterproductive. It's certainly pandering to ethnic animosities, and it may be driven by them. The whole episode has certainly lowered my opinion of the guy.
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written by Don , October 17, 2007
Emmo,

You are gradually losing it. Do you have to cheer-lead or clarify on every article written against Raila? What makes you think people responding to the articles don't grasp their content? Or do you co-author them, hence a subconscious predisposition to be defensive?

I thought you had a strong grounding in economic dynamics, now I highly doubt that. Unless your hate for Raila and ODM is doing a number on you, making you throw objectivity out of the window and put on blinkers instead. Investors enter and exit bourses all the time, for a myriad of reasons. Your questions about people exiting or withholding investment is therefore a mute one. It won't surprise me were you to label the people interviewed in this article ODM sympathizers.

The consensus is that the looming elections has had negligible effect on investment decisions. Makes you wonder how unique NSE's barometer really is. While it's easy to play politics with the NSE, the ramifications cut both ways. For keen observers of the past pre-election behavior of the NSE, there's hardly anything surprising in current trends. The slump to the lead-up to the 2002 general elections was one of the most brutal. Now, would you attribute that to uncertainties about Kibaki or Uhuru? It's amazing how people are so selective with evidence; only choosing those that say what they'd want to hear. Early this year, NSE went on a steep downward spiral that baffled everybody; Raila wasn't even anywhere near the leader board of opinion polls then.

Somebody has alluded in here to rumors peddled by stockbrokers prior to the slump. Can you convince me that they are not interested parties? After all, who stands to benefit most from the billions arising from the price swings and high volumes? It's no secret that the majority of the NSE members are fiercely pro-Kibaki, so they are contented doing his bidding at whatever cost. The irony is that they play this game with our investments and making huge profits out of it.

I'm not asking you to be objective, your inclinations are already clear. My only concern is that someone of your caliber would want to distort facts for mere sake of partisan politics. Doesn't do any good to the credibility of your viewpoints.

You may not believe it but there definitely is an air of uncertainty at the stock market. Are you saying you do not know of anyone who has pulled out of the exchange? Are you saying you don't know anyone who is holding off investing in Kenya because of the uncertainty? Are you really saying, whether irrational or not that the stock exchange is not afraid of an ODM government?

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5 years of negativity
written by new day , October 17, 2007
Trying really hard to choose my words lest am labelled tribe this or that, I think central province should prepare itself for 5 years of very bad life, filled with fear, criticism (of every word uttered by Raila) and bad attitude. This is because my hunch is that ODM will win the election. Attitude being a very powerful state of mind, where anything positive from a negative subject turns stale, life is likely to be quite sad in central Province (CP). Other communities have embraced ODM and let us also realize that they are aware of Raila's weakneses. Instead of demonizing, they try to offer suggestions how he and ODM can improve on them. But I have noticed that CP kenyans have no time for correction. Ultimately, as Usher once sang, you got it bad. Please do not bash me or try to humiliate me after reading this. New day
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Don King
written by emmo opoti , October 17, 2007
Tabia mbaya. Putting a link here without going through it. Do you want me to show you papers that prove that pre-election jitters everywhere in the world affect stock markets or what? Here is the article you linked us to.

Mwangi Ngumo,
CEO, Kenya Institute of Management
Uncertainty created by politics has meant less job movement thus a general artificial freeze on employment at the workplace. People are not sure what jobs to take and what companies to move to given the thin line between political establishment and companies.

Peter Kegode
Senior business manager,Technoserve Kenya
Investors are not sure which candidate will win and as a result they are pulling out from the stock market because of panic. Evidence of this can be seen from the way the market has changed the direction of trade from a bullish to a bearish state.

Ken Kaniu
Investment Analyst, Stanbic Investment
That said however, one cannot shut one’s eyes to the reality and sit on their hands hoping nothing happens.
There is a real chance of the status quo changing and therefore what will this mean for business is the real question. Promises are just that, promises.....for business, they do not mean much unless backed by action.
The competition comes across as fairly populist and has made some comments that come across as fairly socialist in nature especially with regard to the nature and dynamics of our capital markets.

Kai Wulff,
Managing director, KDN
Besides the fact that we see some worrying trends of re-nationalize certain sectors of our industry (like National Fiber Backbone, Investments into Telkom Kenya, License awards) we are going about our business as usual!”

Kamande Muiruri
Managing Director, Digital Networks
Other presidential candidates are talking about improvement of general economic welfare of the people, but have not unveiled specific initiatives showing what they will do differently from what is being done now. One danger of a change in government is that it could result in a disruption in the current momentum.

Ashok Shah,
Chief executive APA Insurance
APA Insurance have reduced their investments at the Nairobi Stock Exchange as investors at the bourse continue to face share value erosion following a sharp drop in prices across all counters. The drop in prices has been linked to election jitters.


I have not suggested that Raila's comments by themselves affected the market. But they have definitely added to the uncertainty. Please answer the what ifs in my previous post above?

All the same, seeing as you have so much confidence in the markets not reacting, why don't you gobble up the bargains? Did you even read my post?

Next will you please explain to us, having already lent your expertise to condemning Kalonzo's proposals, what exactly do you think your candidate portends for the Kenyan economy? Halcyon days? How will he add to civil servants salaries? I explained before that the effect of this on government revenue is exactly the same if not worse than Kalonzo's raising the threshold. How will he pay for the Majimbo? What happens when he renationalises those companies? ( Incidentally that would be something I would very much support- but it needs to be planned). The problem with your man is that he seems to do everything off the cuff! Like all the voices in the world of finance are saying, the trouble is not that they do not want a Raila government, the problem is that they are unsure exactly what this government will mean for them!

You probably know by now, its 1917 here, that these Kibaki supporters have hefty stakes in the stock market and in most of its companies. Are you suggesting then that this is a form of campaign donation they are making? That they are manipulating the market downwards to benefit Kibaki? Are you suggesting that Peter and the newspapers made up the notion that there are fears of a Raila government? I'd like very much that you read and understand the link you so brazenly put up here.

The slump prior to the 1992 election was caused like this one, by uncertainty. If you had bothered to read my comment before mouthing off, you would realise that I also said Kimunya had a part to play in this. I know how you ODM types operate so I will leave it there.

It is enough that Raila realises his responsibility. Whether or not you can see the reality is in the general scheme of things pretty unimportant. As for objectivity, well, I really don't think anyone can do better than we do it here.

P.S. Just so we can get this right once and for all, are you suggesting, with a straight face, that you do not think the prospects of nationalisation and extra regulation at the bourse, in addition to Raila's other statements would not put a damper on activity at the bourse? Is that your educated guess?

NewDay,
Thank you for your kind words. Are we bad for not embracing ODM? Has the concept of choice not made it to your shores? I have certainly not seen any demonization here.
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True dat
written by Otieno , October 17, 2007
Stephen,

Excellent article. As much as it has thoroughly castigated Raila, and the ODM, i wish they would read articles like these and watch their rhetoric of belligerence in future. Talking about rhetoric, i have to agree with Man R about kimunya's comment, whose insenstivity i would only liken to Don Imus' recent slur about "nappy headed hoes." It may have been off the cuff and utterly well meant, but still grossly irresponsible for a man of his stature and for a ethnically charged atmosphere as we are currently experiencing in Kenya.

p/s. Emmo,do i know u? Does Victoria primary ring a bell?
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Oops my bad
written by otieno , October 17, 2007
Indeed Amir. Didn't mean to take it from you, Peter, So here I go again: Great article!
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Thanks both sides
written by pndiangui , October 17, 2007
For both sides of the divide ; I say thank you so so much for your objective analysis and criticisms of my thoughts.

For those who think I am so opposed to Raila presidency my friends I am not. All I am putting here are things that we would want to wish away about the bourse but which I think are key to our economic progress; Let me hammer out some of your very interesting insights;

Don
You can see from the article you have linked us to that these institutional investors have been making decisions based on several uncertainties that Emmo has raised ;
a) Nationalization of already listed companies that have great stakes on.

b) A government that is action-oriented rather than populist rhetoric driven.

c) A government that respects the independence of the market

d) A government that will pursue prudent macro-economic and fiscal policies geared towards creating promotion of a thriving private sector; Not populist driven by just pro-poor activism by rational social-economic reforms.

If they are doubting that the prospective government-in-waiting (based on recent opinion polls) might deviate from these principles then they have a reason to be scared. The above statements from senior investments managers and CEOs attest to this.

Moving forward, I agree Kimunya's comments were in bad taste and should have not let out at this hour. My apologies for not railing at him appropriately. I may have been blinded by a pat on his back for moving forward the prospects of an infrastructure bond listing in London, albeit coming this late.
Obamab
Well man, are you telling me that prospects of the ODM taking over the government are not having effects on investors decisions? What are political factors ? Aren't these about what the parties presenting themselves for election and their ideological stands, are these not what make up for what investors might call 'risks & opportunities?' . Notice that I am not saying that ODMs or Raila's policies are bad per se; All am saying is that investors and especially institutional investors are not sure that the current policies will remain in place with an ODM regime based on utterances from the key point men of the party. And that means re-assessment of their risk profiles on all the assets that they are holding. Nothing personal on Raila , its just about his utterances; 'I will nationalize.....' , 'The stock Market is driven by drugs...' , 'We will enact Majimboism...'
In fact ODM may well have a sterling performance, hence it is an opportunity for those who believe in them to put their money where their mouths are by recognizing that by the way they know the Langata MP the economic fortunes will even be brighter as it means these equities are undervalued. That interest rates during his reign will be stable and government domestic borrowing will be halved etc etc so really those equities are undervalued and the prevailing perceptions in the market don’t reflect the reality of what an ODM regime will deliver.

On the other hand , I agree inflation , rising Oil prices and over-valuation of the bourse due to the high local and global liquidity might be contributing factors but I would solemnly give others a 50% share and political sentiments a 50% share.

In fact I really liked the MP for Langata statement when he visited the bourse; That his goal is to quadruple the companies listed in the bourse to 200 and bring forth more technological listings; How he intends to do that was not clear but yes, a better sweetener than the one on the table for potential listing entities is even welcome. Now that is a sign of political maturity which make a good departure from the blanket drugs comment done in Canada last year.
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Kibaki \'s regime & ODM
written by pndiangui , October 17, 2007
Allow me to move this comment here for my stand on some of my thoughts of Kibaki's Regime versus ODM in the economic front;
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I really don't see anything much that Kibaki's regime has done in terms of innovative fundamental reforms relative to the period of time that they have had but yes they have done a few things which ODM doesn't seem concerned about. And as an incoming regime, what worries me the most is that not many of them seem to be aware of what needs to be done to drive economic and social growth. The Bomas draft itself has its big shortcomings especially on devolution (A 4-tier government is bad for a country like ours trying to drive faster investments locally; world over local governments are being merged, India?s infrastructure is losing them FDI to China due to the bureaucracy of a 3-tier devolved government which looks good on paper to lawyers and social rights activists but is skewed towards bottlenecking entrepreneurial investments...I really don't want to go further on this it's a matter for another article)

I will focus on what the Kibaki government has done extremly wrong but which I dont think ODM has proposed anything better at all.

A New Constitution
Kibaki's regime greatest failure;because these are the utmost fundamentals of putting Kenya into an economic and social progression platform beyond mere individuals was all about. Kibaki failed terribly on this, especially the failure to provide leadership in moving the Bomas constitution from the drafting phase, to a proper designing phase while maintaining the much needed collaboration and then advancing it further to its implementation phase. However, much as the ODM team lead a successful campaign onslaught against the Wako draft it wasn't without a show of the little integrity they applied when citing the sections that they believed were faulty, and the fact that to most of them it wasn't about the contents of the draft but about a power struggle. The lack of pushing through the necessary legislation in parliament to keep the constitution reform discussion burning in order to progress the Bomas draft further alludes to my conclusion on this very empty rhetoric.
Populism will lead to the adoption of the Bomas draft as it is, which I think will be as bad as the Wako draft .
Juakali Industry
Lack of Business support services to move these entrepreneurs from hand to mouth SME's to global corporations like somebody has pointed out of the Hyundai and Samsung businesses has been a very big failure of Kibaki's regime. The dynamics in the global markets for growth are not similar to that period when protectionism was used by the South Koreans dictatorial and corrupt regimes but its the creativity to bring about some reforms and support of these men and women beyond Khs.100,000 youth fund has been lukewarm from the Kibaki regime. Neither do I see ODM thinking that these are the real holders of Kenya's economic destiny; Raila's comments on the Jua Kali Industry attest to this. It's not the FDIs of this world that will drive much of the growth in African nations much as they are extremely essential in offering the support to grow real jobs and even much more, technology transfer, but the outbound corporations emanating from these nation's grassroots like Equity Bank.

Infrastructure Projects financing and Execution
Except what I have seen today from Hon. Kimunya's recent trip to London negotiating for an International Infrastructure bond, the five years have been wasted without giving such ideas room to be executed in large scale for all infrastructure needs and especially Roads ,Ports , Telecommunication, Energy and Water. With retirement funds in the west reaching an all time high , with few assets to put into vis a vis the high global liquidity it was a chance to have infrastructure bonds registration as early as 2003 , but then shady promissory notes like Anglo leasing popular during the Kanu regime were given a place as means of funding worthless infrastructure projects. The point is Partnerships with infrastructure bonds structuring agents like Australian Macquarie Bank or Babcock & Brown would have brought necessary skills not only for funding but even more important which I dont think has been given much thought, the execution capacity of large infrastructure projects in Roads, Rail, Telco and Energy; Neither have I seen legistlation for ensuring such execution trickles down into the local firms in form of technology transfer and jobs through properly designed sub-contracting laws.
For ODM many of them have been members of parliament even in Kibaki's regime. None of them have brought these ideas forth or even taken it upon themselves to bring private members bills in the house targeting such reforms and many more.

However, the preparation for a Kenyan LSE (London Stock Exchange ) infrastructure bond is a milestone that I'm willing to go all the way and pat Kimunya on his back. Even though it is coming too late in Kibaki's regime's existence ,this is a huge achievement. From the Standards and Poor rating of a BB+ of the country to give credibility to the bond ,that to me attests to the fact that something has been done.
The introduction of Perfomance based contracting by Kibaki's regime is a huge achievement that if taken further by the incoming ODM regime, it'll be the hallmark of an upward spiral in productivity in performance in the public service giving way to a better business environment; I would want to see a strategy from ODMers on how they want to take this further.
Putting forward Vision 2030 as a framework of goal setting for this country has also been a very good move by Kibaki?s regime. I would like to hear ODM's take on this.

Now I think we can engage in a more objective debate based on facts and focusing on the big picture of delivering value to mwananchi not some good to have ideologies.
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written by Stephen Wainaina , October 17, 2007
Ndiangui,
You are very diplomatic. Are we going to tiptoe about simply because we are Kikuyus? There is nothing at all wrong with giving one side of the story greater weight, this is why it is called an opinion piece. Like Emmo, I am really looking forward to seeing one of the ODM people writing an article about the stock exchange. Obamab, if this platform is looking pro-government, is it by design or because only some Kenyans are choosing to write instead of heckling?

OK, Peter, I will pick out just one statement from your article. It is possibly the most important, even as we let idlers urge us into squabbling about party politics.


In addition, given that it is clear the market needs urgent reform, any future head of state will have to be able to negotiate such reforms without setting off a panic, or dampening the confidence of investors in the bourse. This necessarily behoves his working at creating a good working relationship with the financial community, instead of anatagonising it.


This is the single most important reason why Raila and ODM should work to cultivate a good relationship with the financial sector. We can see from the example of the Constitution that big projects need consensus and a framework for negotiations. We are all agreed that the NSE badly needs reform, but if the relationship between the ODM government and the NSE is poisoned with fear and defensiveness it is impossible to reach a timely resolution. In that time the bourse will definitely suffer, Kenyans will lose their wealth and we will paint a less rosy picture to prospective investors.

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It is very ironic, that the ODM is coming into office promising to decrease inequality, and yet by their utterances have facilitated the large scale transfer of stocks from wananchi to the institutional investors?
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our man in Jersey
written by Timothy Wainaina , October 18, 2007
I'm still struggling to understand this? Economics 101 tells us that the Government regulates the markets. Who regulates NSE?.....I ask again, NSE Board officially in a statement has told us since Nov/Dec 2006, share prices have been fluctuating heavily with a downward trend, why did the government not address this instead of going on about"fish markets".


Stop struggling. Have you heard of free-markets? There is nothing wrong with a downward trend, in fact what was going on was simply a reversion to more reasonable prices. It is not the government's duty to intervene and keep prices high. Demand and supply dictate the price.

Stephen,
This was my highlight
Talk of the manipulation of the stock market and the mis-pricing of securities coming in the same week as the Treasury attempts an infrastructure bond listing on the London Stock Exchange (LSE) is incredibly irresponsible, and shows just how ignorant of the world of international finance the ODM party are. If investors see the incoming party as likely to radically change the constitution of the country's economy, the chances of the bonds success will be very slim indeed.

Imagine you were some investor somewhere say Jersey, and you are considering that Kimunya bond, and then you see some rough-looking African chap in a suit and tie declare that the stocks on the NSE are excessively manipulated and mispriced. What happens here? You already have these ingrained ideas about Africa being a bad investment bet, so you do a little homework. And you realise the angry youth is likely to become Prime Minister in the new dispensation. A little more homework, and you hear that his boss, the future President has an even lower opinion of the exchange, deeming it a hideout for the proceeds of the drug trade. Then you take the prospectus for that infrastructure bond, and push it into your shredder as you sip your Kenyan coffee. At least that looks like the real thing, and tastes like the real thing.
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dishonest circus
written by Newafroguy , October 18, 2007
Unfortunately, even some hitherto rational minds have found themselves helpless against the ensuing political/ethnic undercurrents. I cannot write my own article about these matters as am not endowed so, and my calling is in other rather mundane labours.

But what gets me is the absolutness with which some of us advance subjective opinions and the cheerleading that follows. If we may for a minute asume we are dealing with an economics or statistics desertation, we would perhaps find it useful to address the various variables that affect the outcome of our claim and either acknowledge them or effectively refute them. To present an argument such as this one and completely ignore the dynamics of the bourse is tantamount to bending facts and appears intellectually dishonest.

Let us give a thought for what the CEO, one MR. Mwebesa attributed the bourse fluctuations to and give balanced reviews.

I have said it often here at KI that we are entitled to our own opinions but never to our own facts.
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A little defence for Kibaki?
written by Kamale , October 18, 2007
Peter,

Your list of failures on Kibaki is perhaps true, but then we must understand that there are mitigating reasons for Kibaki's lack of action on some of them or even why they did not happen!

The bit about infrastructure is one thing that is very correct. No meaningful infrastructure change has been seen. But why? In 2003 and 2004, Kenya perhaps saw the largest inflows of US dollars in many years and all this money was intended for infrastructure support. Now when all this money comes in, Kenya simply had no capacity to implement any of the many projects. The magnitude of the work required to re-built the infrastructure coupled with all new procurement rules meant to tackle corruption simply meant that the government could not deliver. It was not just the donor funds that we had no capacity to consume, even internally generated funds were periodically returned to treasury unused at the end of the financial year.

In hindsight and as you have indicated, Kibaki and his people should have recognized their inability to deliver these things and also sought out international help to manage the capacity problems!
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comments made long ago ?
written by Jaluth MaSoko , October 18, 2007
Comments made "long time ago" are the reason for the dip in the NSE? This is beyond riduculous.
What will you say, when the dooms day scenario you predict fails to occur when ODM eventually takes power?
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Emmo trips, again
written by Don , October 18, 2007
Tabia mbaya. Putting a link here without going through it. Do you want me to show you papers that prove that pre-election jitters everywhere in the world affect stock markets or what? Here is the article you linked us to.


You just amaze me!! You are one dishonest fellow. Of all the masters of spin and selective reading, you beat them all. So, why did you conveniently select the opinions that agree with you and exclude those that trash your argument? Wonders will never cease! I'll give it to you, you "win".
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written by emmo opoti , October 18, 2007
God, Don you are a little tiring you know. Does it occur to you that if I could draw so many views out of the interviews there that do not ascribe to what you are suggesting, then maybe you are plain wrong and the link does not suggest what you think it does? So you suggest that we should look at the one or two that absolve the politicians of the responsibility, and ignore the rest? Can you read?

I'd like you now, to go back to the same link and draw out these ones you claim back you up. Do it for me. Or else admit you looked at the headline and foolishly went ahead to assume it said what you wanted it to.

There's an interest, in the stock market to downplay these fears. That is why Mwebesa blames it on inflation. If you read Kamale's post above you will see why this is the height of nonsense, and is simply a damage limitation exercise. You will also notice the NIC boss has similar sentiments. He has put a lot of time and work into a rights issue and he does not want to say anything that would jeopardise it.
Prof Bwisa a political appointee may also want to keep his job, so he will play ball.

That's two out of how many interviewed? You do make a real hash of defending Raila. I suppose the fanatics handbook you got missed out on a few crucial pages. We need to learn what the ODM's plans for Kenya are, so in as much as you are good at diverting attention from the real issues, kindly ask that they send someone with a steadier grasp on reality.
Or you can start yourself, contributing more to these pages than a perpetual defense of Raila. Can your lot take any criticism? Look at Peter's comment on Kibaki? Could you grow up some day and say something similar about Raila? Is that sacrilege?

Jaluth
It is not specific comments but an overall attitude. You people need to take Raila's example. These shrill defences of yours only make people more afraid. Where's the charm offensive?
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written by emmo opoti , October 18, 2007
NewAfroGuy,
It may have escaped your notice, but no one so far has attributed the entirety of the fall to the prospects of a Raila-led government. For the record, saying so would be just foolish.
Like I explained above, there are election jitters in every exchange. More than that even, there may truly be some irregularities on the exchange . Those who have benefitted from these will in all probability be looking with great fear at an ODM government and so they are cashing out while the price is high. To draw an analogy, robbers would stop drinking at a bar if they knew the new management were policemen would they not?

So the essential issue here is how the potential change is managed, and like many comments have showed, it is not just the ODM that needs to be more responsible in its utterances. The government side must also try to assuage investors. But they can only do so much. Kimunya cannot make any pledges to the markets that would be binding on ODM. ODM have to lie in the bed that they have so studiously made, and part of that is what sent the Honourable MP for Langata to the exchange.

I am reminded of the recent run on the British bank Northern Rock. There was not a chance in hell that the bank would collapse. Its assets were in order, and the Bank of England had pledged funds to it. The bank was/is actually the most secure in the world after the British government pledged to back 100% all deposits in it. Still, people queued up and down the streets to withdraw their money.

In the world of finance, perception equals reality. It takes a lot of courage to ask Raila what Wangunyu did. I am sure he would not do it if there was no alarm on the bourse, or if he himself did not see a basis for it.
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written by Stephen Wanyama , October 18, 2007
NewAfroGuy,
Cheerleading? Where? Who? Ah, the healing power of emotive words and diversionary tactics. So now the problem is not the irresponsible utterances of politicians, but those of people like the circus here?

I see your comment about previously rational minds finding themselves helpless against the ensuing political/ ethnic undercurrents. How perceptive. But what to do, if ODM did not think the Kikuyu was adui how would they market majimboism? How would they animate their crowds? How would they get out the crowds?

Your little quip about facts and fiction, could fit in a little aerogramme envelope. Then we can post it to Orange House. Maybe the fact that you wrote it will make Raila take it seriously?
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Emmo, I yielded
written by Don , October 18, 2007
God, Don you are a little tiring you know. Does it occur to you that if I could draw so many views out of the interviews there that do not ascribe to what you are suggesting, then maybe you are plain wrong and the link does not suggest what you think it does? So you suggest that we should look at the one or two that absolve the politicians of the responsibility, and ignore the rest? Can you read?

The problem with you is that you shout too much you can't even hear yourself. Can you pause for a moment and reflect on the things you write? Discussions are not about who shouts the loudest. Since shouting matches aren't my forte, I already yielded the floor to you; you "win".
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written by Stephen Wanyama , October 18, 2007
Don,
Please explain to the rest of us then, what exactly is your position, and why the obsession with Emmo. Out of all the comments on this page, why address his alone?
Is he shouting? Why not just draw out the basis of your conclusions from that link you posted.
It seems to me that it is you that is always shouting, desiring that everyone conform to your ODM world view. Why is that? As has been asked of you, in your endless quest for objectivity, would it ever cross your mind to criticise Raila? Why have you not commented on his speech? Is that a little too specific? Why have you not commented on Majimboism?
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Don King
written by emmo opoti , October 18, 2007
Alright, throw yer toys out. If you would please just furnish the proof that has ben asked of you.
I cannot see where I shouted. I have made out my positions very clearly, even gone on to provide proof of them from your link.

Again, your diversionary tactics do not go unnoticed. I would never have thought there was any reason to have a debate on this. It really seemed so very simple. Politicians should act responsibly and ensure that the markets are persuaded to stay calm. But no! This is Kenya, and there has to be sides to every issue. There has to be someone playing victim at every criticism.

How very sad.

Putting out fires. Jimnah says not to worry. I think it has got to a point now, where the big boys are going to be very keen to ensure the market steadies, downplaying political risks seems to be the wise thing to do, even as politicians are asked to be quiet about the bourse.
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Guys
written by Man R , October 18, 2007
Tim No-Words,

R stands for Ralph, I'm Ralph Murage. Now run and Google it.

You guys are asking what Kibaki has done to cause investor panic... A shorter list would be what he hasn't done. I'll list my favorite five:

Insecurity, corruption, stone-age infra-structure, inconsistencies and confusion in government policies and incompetent government officials.

Please don't cover your eyes and think just because you can't see others cannot see you. Kenya started losing investors as early and 2003. At the time Raila had not talked about the stock market. Uganda, a landlocked country with a midget economy, has been the beneficiary.

Mr. Kamau,

Kimunya telling Raila that the stock market is not a fish market, is an open attack on Luos. Please don't pretend you can't see something that obvious. Unlike you, I don't deal in self-deception. This is not a matter of me tribalizing things, it's a matter of keeping it real.
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re: in search of clarity
written by Don , October 18, 2007
Don,
Please explain to the rest of us then, what exactly is your position, and why the obsession with Emmo. It seems to me that it is you that is always shouting, desiring that everyone conform to your ODM world view. Why is that? As has been asked of you, in your endless quest for objectivity, would it ever cross your mind to criticise Raila? Why have you not commented on his speech? Is that a little too specific? Why have you not commented on Majimboism?

Wanyama,
I was inclined to ignore your post but decided to make some clarifications. First, I have nothing against Emmo other than a distaste for "beautiful" minds degenerating into polemicists. Second, I didn't realize my comments passed as "ODM world view." Relax, I'm neither a member of ODM nor their PR mouthpiece. If true that I sound like them, then there must be something that resonates with both of us. You can't disabuse me of that right, or can you?

Third, it hadn't occurred to me that a criterion for objectivity is to criticize every candidate. Since I'm not into discussing people and events, I must have flanked that one. If you have been following my posts on this site, they are mostly aimed at debunking myths, untruths, and disinformation being peddled around, either by omission or design. It only happens that most of the bile is directed at one person. Fourth, I don't find it productive to comment on everything posted on KI. Were we to comment on every speech made by presidential candidates, we'd be wasting too much productive time. Regarding majimbo, some of us are old enough to know that the concept of devolution (or whatever you call it) has been debated for close to 20 years now. Whatever is being said now is mere regurgitation of past discussions, hence a waste of my time. If it makes you happier, I'm for political and economic devolution, how it's implemented is the prerogative of Kenyans. I'd rather discuss a concrete plan on devolution than the not so useful pros and cons. Every system or policy has pros and cons, you can debate them forever without ever reaching consensus.

Finally, I already made my position on this year's election known . I'm against Kibaki's re-election because he is too old and rusty, in terms of ideas, to initiate the much-needed restructuring and lead a 21st century Kenya. Everything else about him or his style is irrelevant to me. Since I don't see major differences between the candidates, whoever can beat him is good enough for me. While you people dwell on their policy proposals or visions or whatever, I'm more interested in initiating a final break with old tired brand of leadership. I'm optimistic that, if we initiate the changes now, we should have cleaned the system by 2017. That's my main interest.

I hope that suffices.
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Kimunya\'s Comment
written by Joe Waruimbo , October 19, 2007
So what if Kimunya said what he said....Could it be he meant that the stock market was not a fish market meaning just that. Kenyans eat fish...my family eats fish...if that is the case all the Kenyans should have take offence to that comment. Luo's are not the only tribe that buys and eats fish.....Dear Kenyans grow UP!
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NSE CEO\'s comment
written by Timothy Wainaina , October 19, 2007
Lewis Hamilton, speaking in Brazil claimed that he and Alonso were best friends, and any animosity between them was a figment of the media's imagination.

Yes, sometimes doing the right thing involves making up white lies in order to deflect attention from a damaging truth.
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written by Stephen Wanyama , October 19, 2007
Don,
Thank you for your response. I believe that mature politics, especially for a country like ours that does not have the luxury of a high standard of living, involves questioning both sides with a view to improving them.

Especially for the privileged classes, it really should not be supporting Raila or Kibaki but rather discussing their policies, and what these would mean. Like emmo has said above, this did not seem like the kind of topic that should generate political debate, unless we are discussing degree. If it is only whether or not that is the issue, then it should be obvious to any rational person, from the countless newspaper reports that there is a fear/uncertainty/trepidation in business and financial circles of an ODM government. It is also a certain fact that the call for nationalisation would cause people to get rid of those stocks to be affected. I know I have, and it did not seem particularly irrational.

Why people are selling is what we should be debating, not whether or not? Is it propaganda? Is it tribal stereotypes? Is it the idea that he is a communist? Is it an attempt by Kibaki's mates to transfer retail stocks to their firms? Is it the inexperience of first-time investors? Is Safaricom an additional factor? Is it a combination of these factors?

To argue that Raila and Ruto's statements are unconnected to the run is in a word, dishonest and in no way objective or helpful.
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On Kimunya
written by Shaaban Roberts , October 19, 2007
Does Kimunya understand the concept that says you can use right instruments on wrong targets? The fixation with and quest for consumer price stability within the framework of phase should also not be overlooked.

Secondly, the author needs to understand that amid the inflationary realities, saving ratios, debt levels, our asset prices are reacting to all these realities. Kimunya and PNU panicky sentiments have done more to spook the house-of-cards that is the Nairobi equity market. Bubble, anyone?
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Joe waruimbo - Kimunya\'s comm
written by Juma , October 19, 2007
Joe,
I'm following this debate keenly.

Please, let us stop pretending in an academic manner as you are doing?

You say your familyeat fish? which family? your children or your siblings?

Coz if its your siblings ni sawa, i can understand.You may be a very young and immature fellow (not intended to be an insult).

But if you have children, then i'm sorry for them.

For if so, then there are downward limits you cannot go to. To play with other people's intelligence the way you are trying to.

Like you are trying here!!
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NSE index on the rise?
written by gdump , October 19, 2007
Did anyone watch the Jimnah Mbaru & Billow kerrow take on the NSE yesterday on newsline??? and what can we infer from their take especially on the factors affecting the nse?
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written by Bandits , October 19, 2007
You are all immature bandits, most of whom wasting tax-payers money abroad, thanks to your imbecillic thieving parents.

Wait until ODM takes over, your little myopic minds will perish as you know them, be warned.
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re: re: in search of clarity
written by pndiangui , October 20, 2007
Don,
Please explain to the rest of us then, what exactly is your position, and why the obsession with Emmo. It seems to me that it is you that is always shouting, desiring that everyone conform to your ODM world view. Why is that? As has been asked of you, in your endless quest for objectivity, would it ever cross your mind to criticise Raila? Why have you not commented on his speech? Is that a little too specific? Why have you not commented on Majimboism?

Wanyama,
I was inclined to ignore your post but decided to make some clarifications. First, I have nothing against Emmo other than a distaste for "beautiful" minds degenerating into polemicists. Second, I didn't realize my comments passed as "ODM world view." Relax, I'm neither a member of ODM nor their PR mouthpiece. If true that I sound like them, then there must be something that resonates with both of us. You can't disabuse me of that right, or can you?

Third, it hadn't occurred to me that a criterion for objectivity is to criticize every candidate. Since I'm not into discussing people and events, I must have flanked that one. If you have been following my posts on this site, they are mostly aimed at debunking myths, untruths, and disinformation being peddled around, either by omission or design. It only happens that most of the bile is directed at one person. Fourth, I don't find it productive to comment on everything posted on KI. Were we to comment on every speech made by presidential candidates, we'd be wasting too much productive time. Regarding majimbo, some of us are old enough to know that the concept of devolution (or whatever you call it) has been debated for close to 20 years now. Whatever is being said now is mere regurgitation of past discussions, hence a waste of my time. If it makes you happier, I'm for political and economic devolution, how it's implemented is the prerogative of Kenyans. I'd rather discuss a concrete plan on devolution than the not so useful pros and cons. Every system or policy has pros and cons, you can debate them forever without ever reaching consensus.

Finally, I already made my position on this year's election known . I'm against Kibaki's re-election because he is too old and rusty, in terms of ideas, to initiate the much-needed restructuring and lead a 21st century Kenya. Everything else about him or his style is irrelevant to me. Since I don't see major differences between the candidates, whoever can beat him is good enough for me. While you people dwell on their policy proposals or visions or whatever, I'm more interested in initiating a final break with old tired brand of leadership. I'm optimistic that, if we initiate the changes now, we should have cleaned the system by 2017. That's my main interest.

I hope that suffices.


So Don what is you criteria of assement on ideas? Isnt that what policy is about ? Ideas put on paper to be actualised? If you didnt base you criteria on policy and whther policies will be actualised , how then would base your leadership qualifying criteria? Youngness? Does being young count of more integrity ? Does it count for more competency ? The two important elements of leadership ?
Man lets not let emotions blur objectivity, it'll be 'an assult for reason.'

And ofcourse I agree with you that the same old looters like Ruto, Ntimama and Kosgey plus their peers like Mudavadi and Nyagah are the same government we could have had in 2002 minus Uhuru and Kalonzo. And that makes Kibaki's side the same when enjoined by Biwott and co. So now thats what makes it necessary for us to move a notch further and think policy, policy, Policy and Execution, execution, execution .....because that is what will provide value to mwananchi. Not the newness or youngness. Since the Integrity test has failed on both sides lets then go to the competency side of things; That is where policy and its execution counts.
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written by Mbeche , October 20, 2007
I think we're slowly loosing sight on the issue at hand here. The comment was "NSE is being run by drug money". If we dissect this point we might start getting somewhere. My attempt at it is as follows:
1) During IPOs or normal share purchases, is there a requirement for one to show the "source of funds" being invested? Or are all funds simply accepted? If the latter is true then what is to stop a cash rich drug dealer from pumping in 10million in cash towards say "scan group IPO", get an allocation ot 5600 and get a refund of 9,994,400 refund that is sent to his bank account as "clean money"
2)In share allocations, how transparent is the process to ensure that all have a just and equitable allocation? Is there separation between regulator and trader that prohibits rule makers from taking advantage of their rules? We all the transcentury kengen east african cable ibera and essential commodity price rises that enabled a certain click to benefit very highly.

Corporate governance, that would be led by govt, i strongly feel will close out some of the loops in the system. Then again they say politics, law and crime are close bed fellows.
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written by a guest , October 24, 2007
Nairobi Stock Exchange Index
1996: June 3144 points ; November 3042 points = decline
2001: June 1657 points ; November 1355 points = decline
2007: June 5147 points ; September 5146 points = decline
Today? 5115
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Doing business with Mamlukis??
written by Ken , October 24, 2007
http://www.eastandard.net/arch...070410.htm
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written by Tim Norwood , November 26, 2007
Is the R in your name for Raila? He does seem to be all over your mind. I am always very suspicious of people hiding behind nicknames, it is likely they are just on the internet for a laugh trying to wind others up.
I don't get half of what you've posted above, I understand even less what it is you think Kibaki has done to chase investors away from Kenya. But it is general knowledge by now that the ODM does not have a clue about handling business. I will tell you again, Raila is not a business man.
East African Spectre monopoly. One that only started to perform when he started schmmozing with Moi. You do have to give him the marks for initiating the company, though.
Molasses? Pure rent seeking. I cannot think of many people who would not make a success of that. Again, this is a monopoly.
Oil dealings? Abuse of the public trust to enrich himself. Is it Libyans? Is it Nigerians? Saudis? So again, rent-seeking.

I am not claiming that Raila is alone in doing this. The serving president is himself a rent-seeker par excellence. And rent-seekers are certainly not good entrepreneurs, and worse they are not good governors for their success depends entirely on limited aceess to power.
In exiting the stage, let me leave you with this nugget from a report in the East African Standard, The New Faces Behind the Molasses Plant.
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written by Amir Ibrahim , November 26, 2007
Otieno,
Was the article not by Peter? Why the credit to Stephen?
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