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Written by Barack Obama   
Tuesday, 18 March 2008

American presidential candidate Senator Barrack Obama takes on the challenge of the Pastor Jeremiah Wright association to addresse race in America and its impact on his candidacy.

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"We the people, in order to form a more perfect union."

Two hundred and twenty one years ago, in a hall that still stands across the street, a group of men gathered and, with these simple words, launched America's improbable experiment in democracy. Farmers and scholars; statesmen and patriots who had traveled across an ocean to escape tyranny and persecution finally made real their declaration of independence at a Philadelphia convention that lasted through the spring of 1787.

The document they produced was eventually signed but ultimately unfinished. It was stained by this nation's original sin of slavery, a question that divided the colonies and brought the convention to a stalemate until the founders chose to allow the slave trade to continue for at least twenty more years, and to leave any final resolution to future generations.

Of course, the answer to the slavery question was already embedded within our Constitution - a Constitution that had at its very core the ideal of equal citizenship under the law; a Constitution that promised its people liberty, and justice, and a union that could be and should be perfected over time.

And yet words on a parchment would not be enough to deliver slaves from bondage, or provide men and women of every color and creed their full rights and obligations as citizens of the United States. What would be needed were Americans in successive generations who were willing to do their part - through protests and struggle, on the streets and in the courts, through a civil war and civil disobedience and always at great risk - to narrow that gap between the promise of our ideals and the reality of their time.

This was one of the tasks we set forth at the beginning of this campaign - to continue the long march of those who came before us, a march for a more just, more equal, more free, more caring and more prosperous America. I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we solve them together - unless we perfect our union by understanding that we may have different stories, but we hold common hopes; that we may not look the same and we may not have come from the same place, but we all want to move in the same direction - towards a better future for our children and our grandchildren.

This belief comes from my unyielding faith in the decency and generosity of the American people. But it also comes from my own American story.

 
 

I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a Depression to serve in Patton's Army during World War II and a white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth while he was overseas. I've gone to some of the best schools in America and lived in one of the world's poorest nations. I am married to a black American who carries within her the blood of slaves and slaveowners - an inheritance we pass on to our two precious daughters. I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible.

It's a story that hasn't made me the most conventional candidate. But it is a story that has seared into my genetic makeup the idea that this nation is more than the sum of its parts - that out of many, we are truly one.

Throughout the first year of this campaign, against all predictions to the contrary, we saw how hungry the American people were for this message of unity. Despite the temptation to view my candidacy through a purely racial lens, we won commanding victories in states with some of the whitest populations in the country. In South Carolina, where the Confederate Flag still flies, we built a powerful coalition of African Americans and white Americans.

This is not to say that race has not been an issue in the campaign. At various stages in the campaign, some commentators have deemed me either "too black" or "not black enough." We saw racial tensions bubble to the surface during the week before the South Carolina primary. The press has scoured every exit poll for the latest evidence of racial polarization, not just in terms of white and black, but black and brown as well.

And yet, it has only been in the last couple of weeks that the discussion of race in this campaign has taken a particularly divisive turn.

On one end of the spectrum, we've heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it's based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap. On the other end, we've heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

In my first book, Dreams From My Father, I described the experience of my first service at Trinity:

"People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend's voice up into the rafters....And in that single note - hope! - I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion's den, Ezekiel's field of dry bones. Those stories - of survival, and freedom, and hope - became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world. Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn't need to feel shame about...memories that all people might study and cherish - and with which we could start to rebuild."

That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.

Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.

But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America - to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.

The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we've never really worked through - a part of our union that we have yet to perfect. And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American.

Understanding this reality requires a reminder of how we arrived at this point. As William Faulkner once wrote, "The past isn't dead and buried. In fact, it isn't even past." We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country. But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.

Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still haven't fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today's black and white students.

Legalized discrimination - where blacks were prevented, often through violence, from owning property, or loans were not granted to African-American business owners, or black homeowners could not access FHA mortgages, or blacks were excluded from unions, or the police force, or fire departments - meant that black families could not amass any meaningful wealth to bequeath to future generations. That history helps explain the wealth and income gap between black and white, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many of today's urban and rural communities.

A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one's family, contributed to the erosion of black families - a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened. And the lack of basic services in so many urban black neighborhoods - parks for kids to play in, police walking the beat, regular garbage pick-up and building code enforcement - all helped create a cycle of violence, blight and neglect that continue to haunt us.

This is the reality in which Reverend Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up. They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land and opportunity was systematically constricted. What's remarkable is not how many failed in the face of discrimination, but rather how many men and women overcame the odds; how many were able to make a way out of no way for those like me who would come after them.

But for all those who scratched and clawed their way to get a piece of the American Dream, there were many who didn't make it - those who were ultimately defeated, in one way or another, by discrimination. That legacy of defeat was passed on to future generations - those young men and increasingly young women who we see standing on street corners or languishing in our prisons, without hope or prospects for the future. Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Reverend Wright's generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician's own failings.

And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.

Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

This is where we are right now. It's a racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years. Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, black and white, I have never been so naïve as to believe that we can get beyond our racial divisions in a single election cycle, or with a single candidacy - particularly a candidacy as imperfect as my own.

But I have asserted a firm conviction - a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people - that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice is we are to continue on the path of a more perfect union.

For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances - for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives - by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny.

Ironically, this quintessentially American - and yes, conservative - notion of self-help found frequent expression in Reverend Wright's sermons. But what my former pastor too often failed to understand is that embarking on a program of self-help also requires a belief that society can change.

The profound mistake of Reverend Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country - a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past. But what we know -- what we have seen - is that America can change. That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved gives us hope - the audacity to hope - for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.

In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination - and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past - are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds - by investing in our schools and our communities; by enforcing our civil rights laws and ensuring fairness in our criminal justice system; by providing this generation with ladders of opportunity that were unavailable for previous generations. It requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams; that investing in the health, welfare, and education of black and brown and white children will ultimately help all of America prosper.

In the end, then, what is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than what all the world's great religions demand - that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper, Scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well.

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, "Not this time." This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can't learn; that those kids who don't look like us are somebody else's problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time.

This time we want to talk about how the lines in the Emergency Room are filled with whites and blacks and Hispanics who do not have health care; who don't have the power on their own to overcome the special interests in Washington, but who can take them on if we do it together.

This time we want to talk about the shuttered mills that once provided a decent life for men and women of every race, and the homes for sale that once belonged to Americans from every religion, every region, every walk of life. This time we want to talk about the fact that the real problem is not that someone who doesn't look like you might take your job; it's that the corporation you work for will ship it overseas for nothing more than a profit.

This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag. We want to talk about how to bring them home from a war that never should've been authorized and never should've been waged, and we want to talk about how we'll show our patriotism by caring for them, and their families, and giving them the benefits they have earned.

I would not be running for President if I didn't believe with all my heart that this is what the vast majority of Americans want for this country. This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected. And today, whenever I find myself feeling doubtful or cynical about this possibility, what gives me the most hope is the next generation - the young people whose attitudes and beliefs and openness to change have already made history in this election.

There is one story in particularly that I'd like to leave you with today - a story I told when I had the great honor of speaking on Dr. King's birthday at his home church, Ebenezer Baptist, in Atlanta.

There is a young, twenty-three year old white woman named Ashley Baia who organized for our campaign in Florence, South Carolina. She had been working to organize a mostly African-American community since the beginning of this campaign, and one day she was at a roundtable discussion where everyone went around telling their story and why they were there.

And Ashley said that when she was nine years old, her mother got cancer. And because she had to miss days of work, she was let go and lost her health care. They had to file for bankruptcy, and that's when Ashley decided that she had to do something to help her mom.

She knew that food was one of their most expensive costs, and so Ashley convinced her mother that what she really liked and really wanted to eat more than anything else was mustard and relish sandwiches. Because that was the cheapest way to eat.

She did this for a year until her mom got better, and she told everyone at the roundtable that the reason she joined our campaign was so that she could help the millions of other children in the country who want and need to help their parents too.

Now Ashley might have made a different choice. Perhaps somebody told her along the way that the source of her mother's problems were blacks who were on welfare and too lazy to work, or Hispanics who were coming into the country illegally. But she didn't. She sought out allies in her fight against injustice.

Anyway, Ashley finishes her story and then goes around the room and asks everyone else why they're supporting the campaign. They all have different stories and reasons. Many bring up a specific issue. And finally they come to this elderly black man who's been sitting there quietly the entire time. And Ashley asks him why he's there. And he does not bring up a specific issue. He does not say health care or the economy. He does not say education or the war. He does not say that he was there because of Barack Obama. He simply says to everyone in the room, "I am here because of Ashley."

"I'm here because of Ashley." By itself, that single moment of recognition between that young white girl and that old black man is not enough. It is not enough to give health care to the sick, or jobs to the jobless, or education to our children.

But it is where we start. It is where our union grows stronger. And as so many generations have come to realize over the course of the two-hundred and twenty one years since a band of patriots signed that document in Philadelphia, that is where the perfection begins.


Barack Obama
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Barack Obama, a former Senator for the State of Illinois, is the 44th president of the US. You can reach him at whitehouse.gov




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written by observer , March 19, 2008
For the men and women of Reverend Wrights generation, the memories of humiliation and fear have not gone away, nor the anger and the bitterness of those years.


I thought of Kenyans and the madness and wondered, For how long will the anger and bitterness of what we did to each other in the past months last. When will we be able to address our tribal issues with the same kind of candor and progressive attitude.
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written by Njoroge Matathia , March 19, 2008
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Obama is saying that the American nation is more than a sum of its (white, brown, black) parts. How does this contradict me when I said that I am a citizen of the Kikuyu nation and also that of the greater Kenyan nation?

Obama, goes on and on about his church; black churches - does he say they are, simply by virtue of their existence, a hindrance to the greater good of America? No, he doesn't. He admits that they can be hotbeds for hate, he admits to the possibility for and reality of political usurpations of Sunday mass, that a divisive gospel can be preached - but he does not say that the black churches in themselves are evil.

And Obama is a member of them because he finds a cultural connection: see that moment of rapture in "Audacity of Hope", that there is Obama connecting with something so close to him, something he shares with a certain other people, something that is unfortunately - to minds like Wanyama's - not an American universal.

That he embraces a way of worship that is fundamentally African American doesn't make Obama any less of an American. It doesn't make him a bigot, so how does my embracing Kikuyu culture make me one?

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written by Stephen Wanyama , March 19, 2008
Step aside Gettysburg, step aside I have a Dream, this may be the very greatest speech in American political history, and a great example on how even ideas as irrational as those of Abrahamic religions can be used to bring the little people together behind a set of communal values that lift all society and make us better people. A sprinkling of sugar, and a cherry on top perhaps, but all around the Nation of Gilead may finally have a leader to stop the jackboots. Will the jackboots let him, or will he be martyred?

It also repudiates the views being purveyed as the same old story by the likes of Matathia and the proud Kikuyu called Johnny B Goode.
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written by Daniel.Waweru , March 19, 2008
Obama is saying that the American nation is more than a sum of its (white, brown, black) parts. How does this contradict me when I said that I am a citizen of the Kikuyu nation and also that of the greater Kenyan nation?


Obama doesn't offer a ranking of his identities; you, on the other hand, suggest that your Gikuyu identity is primary. Which is odd, because there's a very good case to be made that (i) Kenya precedes Gikuyuness in time, and (ii) Gikuyuness is a product of the colonial state: no missionaries > no Gikuyu Bible > no unified Gikuyu consciousness > no Kikuyu tribe.
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written by Simba , March 19, 2008
Obama's address was one of the highlights of his campaign. Even reading the words on the transcript moved me.

Its pathetic how some of you just see things through your narrow minded tribalist views. Instead of focusing on the main theme - that of perfecting the union, whether it be America or in our context, Kenya - you are focusing on what divides you. Can we please just get over the tribalism already? I am not better fed, clothed, or employed because of my tribe and neither are you. In the global context, the world is becoming a more meritocratic place and our nation and our people seem to be bent on going the opposite way in the direction of tribalism. Pathetic.
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written by Johnny B. Goode , March 19, 2008

Obama doesn't offer a ranking of his identities; you, on the other hand, suggest that your Gikuyu identity is primary.


Some of you are being unbelievably naive. If Obama had not explicitly acknowledged his blackness in one of his books, Dreams of my father, I believe it is, then he would not have been getting that 80% - 90% of the black vote that he's been getting. If he had gone like Tiger woods for that Cablasian thin and stressed his bi-raciality, he would not have been getting that vote. If he had come around with a white wife, then he'd not have been getting that percentage of the black vote. It is true that almost all-white states like Iowa voted for him but the significance of the South Carolina win after losing New Hampshire, helped primarily by the black vote cannot be over-emphasized.

Add to the good fortune of Bill Clintons unbelievable stupidity of trying to compare Obamas candidature to Jesse Jacksons in 1988, trying to belittle Obamas success. Add to Hillarys remarks about the significance of Lyndon Johnsons role in the struggle for civil rights, which was seen to belittle Martin Luther Kings Jr. significant contribution. In a very tight race that this has become, that black vote is the one making the difference. If Hilary was getting just a bigger portion of t, Obama would not have had a shot. Obama doesn't need to rank his citizenry. He won't run away from his blackness.


Which is odd, because there's a very good case to be made that (i) Kenya precedes Gikuyuness in time, and (ii) Gikuyuness is a product of the colonial state: no missionaries > no Gikuyu Bible > no unified Gikuyu consciousness > no Kikuyu tribe.


That's the dumbest thing I've read all day perhaps ever, I'm sorry to say.

(No,it wasn't. Rather, it was the wisest and most astute comment in this entire long thread. It was a bit too condensed and short for you maybe, apophtegmatical even, but the reason is that Daniel knows his Kenyan history and ethnology (!) very well and you don't. Please listen to him attentively, before at once shooting off from the hip reflexively, and you'll see then how and why he is right. Ed.)

To suggest that the bond holding or held the Kikuyu is a bible brought top us by some missionaries is beyond asinine. To further imply that before the existence of the Holy Book there was no Kikuyu nation is unbelievable. I suggest that you get a copy of Kenyattas Facing Mt. Kenya.

What of a shared Language that dates at least 4 centuries, what of shared customs and rituals and laws (some level of kikuyu customary law is still applicable today). What of shared social (clans - mbari)and political organization?

What of shared mythology, stories, riddles, songs and dances? What of shared Names found sprinkled all over central province and beyond, wherever house of Mumbi as settled, pointing to a shared origin? Can you tell by a name where exactly someone in Central province one hails from. Wanjiku, Wanjiru, Wanjeri, Wambui, Wangari, Wacera, Waithera, Wairimu, and Nyambura, the nine daughters of Mumbi. The theory of an ever expanding universe serves us well.

What of a shared religion with Ngai as the supreme being? It is quite possible that the Kikuyu religion was so easily folded into Christianity because of a number of parallels. Both are monotheistic religions. Both have similar creation stories. Gikuyu and Mumbi, Adam and Eve. Mountains seem to play significant roles in both. Mt. Sinai where Moses received the 10 commandments or where Jesus met with Elijah and Moses and KiriNyaga. Catholics have saints the Gikuyu have ancestors.

Our story is still being written as we speak as part of Kenya. Are you seriously suggesting that the Christian Bible is the only thing that holds the Kikuyu nation together and without it the Kikuyu nation never actually existed? Or did I get you wrong sir?

Kenya is an artificial entity that exists since 1885 Berlin Conference
It is strange math that finds the number 123+.being greater than 500
As a comparison, here is the story of the Abagusii
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written by Amir Ibrahim , March 19, 2008
Here are a few interesting articles, apparently even sections of America's liberals have turned against Obama. Here is an article from Salon, The crazy Uncles in Obama's past.

Obama is basically under attack (I think we had written about this here before) because he is a civilised man (personal attack deleted), Obama is black only because he wants to run for political office, otherwise he is properly past all of that, read between the lines. Obama you will remember was not considered black enough, Obama is suffering because he was pro-Palestinian, because he does not suffer American jingoism. Will it mean the end of his campaign-run? I do not think so, but America is too hate-filled and ignorant a nation to have a civilised president. There are immense swathes of Americans who are among the best people anywhere on earth, but in a democratic election (like in ours too) it is the ugliest elements that will always have their way. You will notice for example that Obama's support among the best educated, and wealthiest is absolute, across racial, gender and region. Those flying flags and singing anthems and declaring displeasure at the very obvious and universally accepted notion (Ron Paul said this so many times on US television you wonder why people are taking such offence now) that 9/11 was blowback for US foreign policy. Hell, I think I could even find a CIA quote saying exactly this!

Wanyama,
The core values that we hold so dear are not universal, some would even say they are elitist.
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Dreams of My Father
written by Nekessa , March 19, 2008
It would do if more people read Obama's Dreams of My Father. It describes in detail Obama's quest for identity. For Obama, you see, was born in a country that did not acknowledge his mixed heritage. Perhaps you are familiar with the one drop rule ?

Simba wrote:
Its pathetic how some of you just see things through your narrow minded tribalist views. Instead of focusing on the main theme - that of perfecting the union, whether it be America or in our context, Kenya - you are focusing on what divides you. Can we please just get over the tribalism already?
It is pathetic I agree. However, I am afraid in the US and Kenya, identity politics is still very much at play.
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written by Daniel.Waweru , March 19, 2008
To suggest that the bond holding or held the Kikuyu is a bible brought top us by some missionaries is beyond asinine. To further imply that before the existence of the Holy Book there was no Kikuyu nation is unbelievable. I suggest that you get a copy of Kenyattas Facing Mt. Kenya.


Facing Mount Kenya is sketchy history: he says very little about mbaris, or their sometimes exploitative character. It is doubtful that there was a Gikuyu nation that thought of itself as such before the translation and reception of the Bible, for two reasons: (i) most people identified with their mbari, and (ii) it is doubtful that there was any single institution that spanned all the peoples we now identify as Agikuyu. Perhaps the riika, but I doubt it.

What of a shared Language that dates at least 4 centuries, what of shared customs and rituals and laws (some level of kikuyu customary law is still applicable today). What of shared social (clans - mbari)and political organization?


The earliest sensible date for the emergence of the Agikuyu is the beginning of the 18th century; Muriuki has dates going back to the mid 17th century, but those have a large margin of error. Until quite recently, those groups spoke closely related dialects, rather than a single language.

Mbari certainly, but there are entire regions of Gikuyuland, such as Tetu, inhabited by mbari of quite recent Maasai descent. There's a reason why she's called Wangari Maathai.

What of shared mythology, stories, riddles, songs and dances? What of shared Names found sprinkled all over central province and beyond, wherever house of Mumbi as settled, pointing to a shared origin? Can you tell by a name where exactly someone in Central province one hails from. Wanjiku, Wanjiru, Wanjeri, Wambui, Wangari, Wacera, Waithera, Wairimu, and Nyambura, the nine daughters of Mumbi. The theory of an ever expanding universe serves us well.


What of Maina and Mberia (which appear in Nilotic languages), Muchoki (Musyoki), Muchemi (Musyimi, Muciimi), Nyokabi, Wamaitha, Hinga (indicative of Maasai descent)?

You may be right about shared mythology.

What of a shared religion with Ngai as the supreme being? It is quite possible that the Kikuyu religion was so easily folded into Christianity because of a number of parallels. Both are monotheistic religions. Both have similar creation stories. Gikuyu and Mumbi, Adam and Eve. Mountains seem to play significant roles in both. Mt. Sinai where Moses received the 10 commandments or where Jesus met with Elijah and Moses and KiriNyaga. Catholics have saints the Gikuyu have ancestors.


Notice that the name for God in other central Bantu languages is 'Mungu', or 'Murungu' etc, whereas the Maasai word for God is 'Enkai'.

(Many thanks for your indefatigable efforts in education, Daniel, many thanks. May Ngai bless you. Ed.)
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re: Dreams of My Father
written by a guest , March 19, 2008
For Obama, you see, was born in a country that did not acknowledge his mixed heritage.

Oh really.
So where was he born? In 1850 Alabama? In 17th-century Haiti?

Alexander
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Get real, Americans
written by aeichener , March 19, 2008
Yes it is an argument, and a valid one. It is me who is bringing out reality against you, not the other way around. Alexander

It must be possible to bring this point out without getting nasty. Eds.
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re: re: Dreams of My Father
written by Nekessa , March 19, 2008
For Obama, you see, was born in a country that did not acknowledge his mixed heritage.


Oh really.
So where was he born? In 1850 Alabama? In 17th-century Haiti?

I have zero patience with all that. It's just too pathetic.
Is that an argument? Or a reality that you cannot comprehend?

It must be possible to bring this point out without getting nasty. Eds.
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re: Get real, Americans
written by politicalscientist , March 19, 2008
Just to add to the points Daniel has made (with more clarity than I ever could, I should add) even if tribe was as pervasive as has been expressed here, you must acknowledge that the whole not marrying other tribes is a more recent invention - as such there is no guarantee that you are 100% Kikuyu no matter how proud you are of it. I know for a fact that intermarriage between certain Kikuyu clans with the Kamba, Maasai and other neigbours was pervasive but unlike race this is not something that can be proved empirically. Ask your grandma.

Furthermore, the world has changed, and the ranking order of our identities must either shift with it or be crushed in the melee. Islam has been forced in recent years to come face to face with the reality of equality between men and women, and the most successful and genuinely advanced Muslim countries are those that have given concessions within the parameters of the faith; think of the Emirates.

In a Foreign Policy Journal dedicated to analysing the question of ethnic conflict, the question was raised as to whether a rational system of organised can ever be reconciled to an irrational system of identity - irrational meaning appealing to emotions rather than reason and not non-sensical. I don't really know, but I think that the reality is that tribes and ethnicity that advocate for separitism - political, economic or cultural - are to some extent incongruent with the state as a profit making (i.e. aiming to include as many diverse regions in its borders as possible)entity. And it unfortunately for you, the system seems to have rejected that logic - just look at the number of ethnic conflicts that end with people being forced to live together. Basically, its ok for you to be a Kikuyu, Luhya, Luo etc. But in today's world, you're Kenyan first, penda usipende.
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re: squibble
written by Johnny B. Goode , March 20, 2008

Facing Mount Kenya is sketchy history: he says very little about mbaris, or their sometimes exploitative character. It is doubtful that there was a Gikuyu nation that thought of itself as such before the translation and reception of the Bible, for two reasons: (i) most people identified with their mbari, and (ii) it is doubtful that there was any single institution that spanned all the peoples we now identify as Agikuyu. Perhaps the riika, but I doubt it.


Your interpretation of nation is probably based on what is defined as a nation state today. To me even these loose associations connected by common threads like language, rituals and customs, religion, constitutes a nation to me.


What of Maina and Mberia (which appear in Nilotic languages), Muchoki (Musyoki), Muchemi (Musyimi, Muciimi), Nyokabi, Wamaitha, Hinga (indicative of Maasai descent)?
You may be right about shared mythology.


From what I understand the Gikuyu are a culture that borrows freely, whatever the case maybe. The Kikuyu from accounts I've read including Njoroges Gikuyu journal interacted heavily with the Maasais. In fact that was not an unsubstantial part of his story. From what I know of the Maasais is that they believe they came from the sky.


Notice that the name for God in other central Bantu languages is 'Mungu', or 'Murungu' etc, whereas the Maasai word for God is 'Enkai'.


Yes supposedly the word Ngai was borrowed from the Maasai. That doesn't take away from the Gikuyu having common a monotheistic religion that believed in a supreme being who lived on top of Kirinyaga. Whether they choose to call that being God, Ngai, Allah or Mungu is quite irrelevant to the discussion. The Maasai religion from what I can gather is a bit different structured the the Kikuyu one. I don't pretend to be an expert one.
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re: Phenomenal Speech
written by Johnny B. Goode , March 20, 2008
Obama's address was one of the highlights of his campaign. Even reading the words on the transcript moved me.

Its pathetic how some of you just see things through your narrow minded tribalist views. Instead of focusing on the main theme - that of perfecting the union, whether it be America or in our context, Kenya - you are focusing on what divides you. Can we please just get over the tribalism already? I am not better fed, clothed, or employed because of my tribe and neither are you. In the global context, the world is becoming a more meritocratic place and our nation and our people seem to be bent on going the opposite way in the direction of tribalism. Pathetic.


If showing pride in your tribe is being tribalistic then so be it, am a proud tribalist. Sir Isaac Newton said that for every action, there is an equal an opposite reaction. As the world becomes more global and emcompossing, so will their be a need for stronger self identification in an increasingly faceless world.

The most primal Identitity is for me Gikuyu and not Kenyan. Speak for yourself. I am of my Tribe. It is up to the individual to seek what best identifies him or her. So let us BE. Countries that have tried to suppress cultural Identities have seen themselves facing a perpetual state of war. Whether its the former Yugoslavia or the Kurds in Turkey. The European Union probably the model for me of what Kenya should be in the future does not require that its constituents give up their identities in order to be members.

Cultural and ethnic identities are not things to be brushed aside as some of you are trying to do here. If you Identify yourself as primarily as Kenyans good for you, but don't try to push your views down other peoples throat like there is only one way to arrive at a given solution.

If proponents of a nationalism that can only exist if ethnicity die, then they should be totally honest and aspire not to be Kenyan but citizens of the Universe. Kenyan is just a label as Gikuyu, Embu, Luo or Taita.
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re: Dreams of My Father
written by Johnny B. Goode , March 20, 2008
It would do if more people read Obama's Dreams of My Father. It describes in detail Obama's quest for identity. For Obama, you see, was born in a country that did not acknowledge his mixed heritage. Perhaps you are familiar with the one drop rule ?


The American identity of black was forged by the slave owners who sort to sire kids with their female black slaves through rape etc. yet chose to call their own blood the N-Word.As a result of this decision a bond was formed by all people of color, which shares a common struggle against oppression, a common history and an acquired culture including music and religion (black churches).

Quite possibly as a result of intermixing a large percentage of the black population have white and Indian blood in them as do white Americans have black blood in them. I see things within a historical context. In this day and age one can identify themselves how they want. Obama choose to be black, while Tiger Woods chooses to be Cablasian or however he defines it.

It's important to note that some of the greatest black heroes like Malcolm X and Bob Marley had some significant white in them.

It's all good, however knowing black folks in America it's doubtful that Obama would have gone that far if he had rejected the black Identity.
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ah alright then
written by Stephen Wanyama , March 20, 2008
Your interpretation of nation is probably based on what is defined as a nation state today. To me even these loose associations connected by common threads like language, rituals and customs, religion, constitutes a nation to me.


I guess you have made a case for leniency then my good man. The loosest possible definition of a nation is a people who perceive of themselves as being co-members in such a cultural, philosophical and political entity, and it is exactly on this loosest and most accommodating definition that we insist that the Gikuyu nation is younger than Kenya.

The simple question is whether a national consciousness was held by the Gikuyu people prior to the events Wanyama and Waweru have described here and in the Gikuyu Journal thread. A nation has to exist in hearts and minds, it is not merely a matter of fact, but a matter of feeling, a consciousness. It is clear that the Gikuyu people were first bounded into this oneness, guided into this self-identification later than the Kenyan state was born. Nations my good man are created, they do not merely exist on account of shared characteristics as you describe above. Many Kenyan people chose to become Gikuyu, as Nanjala has said above the arguments for consanguinity, especially given our aversion for endogamy and the endless supply of mischlingsis indeed quite tenuous.

As regards Obama, looking at his past it is clear that he made the strategic choice, to become black, or perhaps more accurately to have himself defined as black. It is something of a moment of shared ecstasy that you finally admit that identity ought to be a personal matter, and I find this does indeed denounce your previous attempts to link it to the blood and the soil, which if I may say again is very ODM-like and very dangerous for the peace and survival of this country. You have likely heard of the blunt edge of the neo-fascists in Europe. I am sure you do not want to form a bond with them.
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re: re: Get real, Americans
written by Johnny B. Goode , March 20, 2008
- as such there is no guarantee that you are 100% Kikuyu no matter how proud you are of it. I know for a fact that intermarriage between certain Kikuyu clans with the Kamba, Maasai and other neigbours was pervasive but unlike race this is not something that can be proved empirically. Ask your grandma.


That's not really that hard, in traditional African societies, you are of your fathers tribe.


Furthermore, the world has changed, and the ranking order of our identities must either shift with it or be crushed in the melee. Islam has been forced in recent years to come face to face with the reality of equality between men and women, and the most successful and genuinely advanced Muslim countries are those that have given concessions within the parameters of the faith; think of the Emirates.


No. How you choose to rank your identities is your personal choice. Mine go something like this.
Family-Tribe-Country-Continent-World-Universe-Whatever is out there that we know nothing of.arranged in order from strongest to weakest bond. How you choose to arrange yours is your personal choice but why restrict yourself to the Kenyan borders. In between all those bonds are religion specifically Christianity, Intra national bonds like the black nation that Wanyama hates so very much and urban sub cultures like Hip Hop and own very own Nairobi Sheng which as a bred in Eastlands Nairobi am very proud of. One of the truly genuine creations that all our intermixing that our nation has brought forth. In fact I'm more proud of Sheng than English or Swahili which are both foreign languages to me. Sheng is apart of me though.


In a Foreign Policy Journal dedicated to analysing the question of ethnic conflict, the question was raised as to whether a rational system of organised can ever be reconciled to an irrational system of identity - irrational meaning appealing to emotions rather than reason and not non-sensical. I don't really know, but I think that the reality is that tribes and ethnicity that advocate for separitism - political, economic or cultural - are to some extent incongruent with the state as a profit making (i.e. aiming to include as many diverse regions in its borders as possible)entity. And it unfortunately for you, the system seems to have rejected that logic - just look at the number of ethnic conflicts that end with people being forced to live together. Basically, its ok for you to be a Kikuyu, Luhya, Luo etc. But in today's world, you're Kenyan first, penda usipende.


Where did I advocate to separatism or infer to Tribal superiority that is being alluded to in many posts here? So its wrong to be proud of your tribe and identify primarily with it now, is it? And what else are you gonna prohibit? Alcohol? Why should I adopt your view of the world, more successful or not? Why should my world outlook be reduced to how you view it? Why would you want to limit my rights and freedoms? The right to self identity?

In my view I'm no less patriotic or nationalistic than you are. Your view that we must kill tribe to in order to build a nation bears no greater legitimacy to me than mine that acknowledges the existence of tribes as the building blocks upon which our national identity is built. Framing the question right, is a big step in finding the right solution. The past is just as big apart of me as the present or the future.

Just for the record, I'm committed to seeing a successful Kenyan nation as you or anyone else is. Probably more than your favourite politician who probably seeks political office only to line his or her pockets. This is what has primarily been holding back our nation and not the existance of different ethnicities and peoples pride in them or lack of. If we had people whose primary mentality was, how can I best serve the people ethnic or otherwise we'd be far much farther ahead. Truth be told this folk only end up enriching themselves and not their tribes or the greater nation at large.

That's why I came back to Kenya to put the knowledge I'd acquired to good use at the service of Kenyan people, in as much as they'll let me, rather than seeking European citizenry like so many of my African brothers and sisters, who would rather stay there by hook or crook.

I just believe that Kenya will be much stronger if it recognizes that it consists of 45 communities and acts accordingly rather than chugging along like we are one, while we are not. Moi said that his tribe is Kenyan and our nation has been built on this myth for the last 45 years while secretly everyone thinks of his and her cohorts. The Daily nation is littered with phrases of a certain community. The central bureau of statistics can't even give you the tribal breakdown. It's been government policy for the last 45 years to ignore the DNA of the Kenyan Nation, just what you and your like are advocating. And what do we have to show for it? Neighbour murdering neighbour on account of ethnical differences. Ignoring reality or living a Lie will get you that.

The EU juggles along quite a number of nationalities(Tribes) if you will and they are chugging along quite fine. It is the world biggest Economy. The US of A does pretty well even if quite a number of its citizens have a prefix preceding the American. Asian-American, African-American, Irish, Italian, Jewish, native-American. You get my drift. They are the worlds 2nd biggest economy and have been around for 200+ years, yet their various peoples are not just American. The best architecture is the one that builds on nature. What nature gives Kenya is 45 tribes or groupings. Let buld on that instead of trying to force some artificial construct. If you work carefully on the details, the building will come out just fine.
Frank Lloyd Wrights Falling Water, arguably the best piece of architecture ever.

In todays world or any other world that might emerge, I'm Kikuyu first and Kenyan second.
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re: ah alright then
written by Johnny B. Goode , March 20, 2008

The simple question is whether a national consciousness was held by the Gikuyu people prior to the events Wanyama and Waweru have described here and in the Gikuyu Journal thread. A nation has to exist in hearts and minds, it is not merely a matter of fact, but a matter of feeling, a consciousness. It is clear that the Gikuyu people were first bounded into this oneness, guided into this self-identification later than the Kenyan state was born. Nations my good man are created, they do not merely exist on account of shared characteristics as you describe above. Many Kenyan people chose to become Gikuyu, as Nanjala has said above the arguments for consanguinity, especially given our aversion for endogamy and the endless supply of mischlingsis indeed quite tenuous.


How is it clear? Do you own a time machine that I know not of? Like in 'Back to the Future?' Neither you nor I were there. A society which has common laws though, is a strong indicator of the existence of a nation, perhaps not bound by common boundaries like today's Kenya, but there still. Otherwise the argument is just semantics. However you chose to define it, the Agikuyu existed as an entity before Kenya did.


As regards Obama, looking at his past it is clear that he made the strategic choice, to become black, or perhaps more accurately to have himself defined as black.


Obama has the right to define himself however he likes but so does everyone else have a right to define him however they like. Going by American history he is a black man as was Malcolm or even his fiery pastor Jeremiah Wright. Tiger Woods can also define himself however he likes but some white folks will just see him as another black dude. As does indeed Lewis Hamilton or Thierry Henry who is confronted with racist remarks every other game.


It is something of a moment of shared ecstasy that you finally admit that identity ought to be a personal matter, and I find this does indeed denounce your previous attempts to link it to the blood and the soil, which if I may say again is very ODM-like and very dangerous for the peace and survival of this country. You have likely heard of the blunt edge of the neo-fascists in Europe. I am sure you do not want to form a bond with them.

I never said that, it's how you chose to interpret my remarks. It's of course quite clear that I speak only for myself and not for each and every Kikuyu out there. I didn't know that I had to put that disclaimer on everything I type.
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written by Daniel.Waweru , March 20, 2008
Johnny,

Your interpretation of nation is probably based on what is defined as a nation state today. To me even these loose associations connected by common threads like language, rituals and customs, religion, constitutes a nation to me.


No not really. There's nothing in my (implicit) definition about statehood, hence nothing about a nation-state. I'm happy to accept the existence of the loose bonds, and their existence for a very long time. But you still haven't shown that that is sufficient for a nation. You'd need, I suggested, to identify some sort of institution that was effective across the whole of Gikuyuland before colonial times; you haven't done so. A case for nationhood which doesn't meet that low standard is unpromising.

If we go by your criteria, on which a common religion is sufficient to constitute a nation, why do Muslims and Christians not constitute nations in Kenya?

Stevo,

It is something of a moment of shared ecstasy...

Steady on...
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Get with it or get left by it
written by politicalscientist , March 20, 2008
Ok,I hope I address as many issues as possible.

First of all, don't get me wrong, I am not the biggest advocate for accepting things just because the status quo demands it. I am all for individuality, identity and all that stuff. However, for me it comes down to the question of what are you prepared to forsake in order to make this grand experiement called Kenya work.

Tribe is not irreconcilable with the state. I myself hold my Luhya identity in great esteem, and its even on my C.V. as one of the languages that I am fluent in. That said, if you ask my grandmother she'll probably tell you that I'm a Luhya of the dodgy variety - aside from the language and the name, and maybe if the day comes the concept of dowry (MAYBE) I hold none of the customs dear. The reason being as the world has changed, notions of identity have been forced to change with it, so much so that I eat chicken legs even though Luhya women are forbidden from doing so, and break other cultural norms without any significant threat to my sense of self and confidence.

As you probably know, growing up in Nairobi is not the same as growing up in the village. If you're like me, no one on your street in your estate spoke the same language as you, and you were all friends anyway. I always say Nairobi is my favourite city in the world, and London my second favourite because both have a history of mixing people from all corners of the world and emerging with something so unique and so typically...Nairobian/Londonite. You've pointed out sheng', the greatest example of what makes Nairobi so unique in the Kenyan landscape. And may I just counter that it may have taken root in eastlands but its certainly not limited to eastlands - I can tell usually by listening to people speaking sheng' what part of the city they're from.

Now sheng' also brings up an interesting perspective. The young people of Nairobi generally have a common history - first or second generation descendants of people who migrated from other parts of the country to find work. We have a common language, we have common rites of passage (Carnivore or Kesha nights for the more religous ;-)). We have a certain common sense of identity and certain fears that non Nairobians may find irrational - read Binyavanga Wainaina's article on Nairobi for the National Geographic. Do we then constitute the 43rd tribe?

If I take your position of ranking different sources of pride or identity, I would say that I am more "proud" of being a Nairobian than of being Luhya. What this means is that I am willing to forsake my Luhya-ness for the idea of building a better Nairobi. And at heart, if you look at it from a completely utilitarian perspective (no emotional appeals) - tribe serves no direct purpose in a globalised world. We have been forced to subscribe to different forms of social organisation, legal frameworks, gender relations - for the most part derived from a religious tradition, Christian or Muslim or otherwise. I posit that the only facet of tribal organisation that is still standing strong today is language, and I fear that in a century or two those will be dead too.

You talk about Europe's tribes, and different ethnicities and to some extent you're right. But Europe succeeded not by encouraging people to be different but by forcing people to be the same. Have you read some of the legal issues around the EU constitution? For a country to be accepted into the EU it has to jump through certain hoops - one that caused issues with Romania was that its custom in that country to slaughter pigs for Christmas. According to EU legislation, animals for consumption must be slaughtered in a factory, and using the most humane (sic) methods possible, the most favoured being electrocution. This was actually a big problem during the accession debate for Romania but in the end the country was forced to back down, for the economic benefits of joining the EU.

Bottom line; you don't have to accept the world's view of the value of tribe, but the world doesn't need your approval in order to do what it does. And the verdict seems to be adapt or nature/society/ a globalising world will select you out.
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re: Get with it or get left by
written by Johnny B. Goode , March 20, 2008

If I take your position of ranking different sources of pride or identity, I would say that I am more "proud" of being a Nairobian than of being Luhya.


I'm a very proud Nairobian too. I hold 'sheng' to be one of the greatest achievements of the young Kenyan nation because it's unquestionably ours. That is, although I never contributed so much as a single word or phrase to it. Quite irrational if you ask me. Plus it's a mixture of so many languages.

There are other aspects of growing up in Nairobi that have been lost with time like playing football made out of polythene bags and strings in the street, Playing shake in the streets. Things like Mung'ari or fashioning vehicles out of tires which we drove with planks. Things like Mchongoano, Fashioning and organizing mini safari rallies out of wire cars or the ones made out of Kimbo and Cowboy tins. Grew up in the late 80s, early 90s.

The other thing I'm really proud of is the Matatu culture. The creativity that goes into the body art as well as the interiors and on board entertainment is certainly something else. Matatus are quite literally a fashion statement. Granted, probably not the most efficient transport system (I have an affinity for trams and trains) and the drivers are maniacs but that to me is a significant aspect of Nairobi.

The most tragic thing about the Kenyan experience is that we don't record this things unlike the Americans where you can slip in an Audrey Hepburn movie and see how people were hanging out in the 50s. Thus some aspects of Nairobi urban culture are fleeting not handed down through the generations. If there are some cats out there putting things on the big or small screen, please share. Foreigners have done some good job for as. Kibera never looked so good as in The Constant Gardner. Rachel Weisz actually got an oscar for that and didn't thank the people of Kenya. Disgraceful.

Kikuyu is only one part of my identity, it's not the only one. There's the Kenyan one too of course. I'm also a part of the black/african which Wanyama hates, the hip hop nation from the poetry of Tupac to our very own E-Sir Mmari, Nazizi, Jua Kali and Gidi Gidi Maji Maji to Germany's Kool Savas and Sammy Deluxe. I'm Catholic as well and have quite a passion for a little sitcom that could called Seinfeld, as well as Liverpool FC and FC Barca. Deniro, Pacino Washington and Russell Crowe are just as part of my vocabulary as any other living soul on the planet.


Tribe serves no direct purpose in a globalised world.... I posit that the only facet of tribal organisation that is still standing strong today is language, and I fear that in a century or two those will be dead too.


Your understanding of the globalised world is a bit skewed. Yours is of this monster called globalisation that comes and swallows everything and makes us all uniform like robots. That is not the brave new world for me. The globalised world offers the internet which offers us ways and means for the Gikuyu to reside comfortably next to the English, the German, the Luo.

The city of Nairobi to cohabits the same space as London or New York or
Nyeri Town which have put up the most decent site of any Kenyan town I've seen so far btw. Yes the globalised world in its paradox offers us the the ways and means to turn the world into a village as well.

I'm sure you are quite aware of kikuyu.com,kisii.com (great site btw),Jaluo.com. Our languages live on and are accessible to anyone who wants to any one who cares. You can become as much of a Kikuyu as I can become a Luhya or a Luo. All you need is to pick up a few books, visit a few web sites and learn the Language and you are a fully fledged Kikuyu. Btw, this aint nothing new as Njoroges story about his ancestors shows. The Kikuyu take to the principal of assimilation just like the French.
cultural centres

Speaking of which, it's not that hard to preserve the languages all you need is to take an academic approach to them. Same way the Germans have their Goethe Institut and the French their French cultural centres. So why not a Kikuyu Cultural Centre or a Luhya cultural centre? I'm not advocating going back to wearing skins, although who knows there might be something there. Why let the Euro Centric limit you? I have mastered 4 Languages, why not learn Maasai or Kipsigis? Why shouldn't the Kenyan government make this possible?

Why can't German or Englishmen or black Americans come down here and learn Kikuyu, Kipsigis, Luhya or Luo? You might think our 'cultures' will be dead but I can tell you right now, the only reason I got to read Wa Thiong'os The River Between was because an American Girl Friend of a kenyan friend, owned the book. There's a lot of us out there, thanks to the Ngugis and the rest. Much like that satellite they sent to outer space with some things about earth just in case there is some extra terrestrial life out there.

For some reason the prevailing mentality here seems to be that there was nothing progressive or sophisticated about the traditional African societies. This is the lasting Legacy of colonialism and Slavery. As Bob Marley said, Emancipate yourself from Mental slavery.. It's a question of interest though. Yet the form of political and social organisation are not really alien to the world.

The great Julius Kambarage Nyerere (The 1st African leader to actually voluntarily retire, for that alone he deserves maximum respect. Great man of Africa. It's good that Mandela followed in his Nyayo) tried African socialism in Tanzania. Ujamaa. I don't know why he failed. The same concept though exists in the Israeli Kibbutz. We are not aliens. We are just as much as part of the human society as the rest of them. We always were.


You talk about Europe's tribes, and different ethnicities and to some extent you're right. But Europe succeeded not by encouraging people to be different but by forcing people to be the same.


Not necessarily sure they draw a lot of values from their judeo-christian common values. However I'm quite sure that the Germans won't give up their German, the Polish their polish etc. Nor is there anyone asking them to. This is what the proponents of building Kenya top down are advocating, that for Kenya to live Tribe must die. I find this kind of reasoning fundamentally flawed. That again lies with the way I see Kenya, I guess. A union of 45 communities. If Kenya loses any or all of them, even if the only thing remaining of them is Language (but then why only), then we lose our soul.


Bottom line; you don't have to accept the world's view of the value of tribe, but the world doesn't need your approval in order to do what it does. And the verdict seems to be adapt or nature/society/ a globalising world will select you out.


The world can dictate but I can also dictate back.I prefer to see the world being in dialogue with me rather than dictating to me.
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written by Stephen Wanyama , March 20, 2008
Johnny, if you are now urging us to the preservation of culture, if you are now advocating the existence of cultural entities that are not linked to blood, that are porous and inviting, then you will find that no one here is in opposition to you. No one at all has argued that tribe must die. Building straw-men was always a comely manner of retreating.
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written by Johnny B. Goode , March 20, 2008
Johnny,

No not really. There's nothing in my (implicit) definition about statehood, hence nothing about a nation-state. I'm happy to accept the existence of the loose bonds, and their existence for a very long time. But you still haven't shown that that is sufficient for a nation. You'd need, I suggested, to identify some sort of institution that was effective across the whole of Gikuyuland before colonial times; you haven't done so. A case for nationhood which doesn't meet that low standard is unpromising.


I moved on from the term nation if that's the bone of contention. I moved on to the term entity or society. Fact is however that statement remains. I'm Kikuyu first then Kenyan. Kikuyu at the end of the day older by your own dates (beginning of the 18th century) precedes Kenya and thats by putting the birth of Kenyan state at 1885 by almost 200 years.


If we go by your criteria, on which a common religion is sufficient to constitute a nation, why do Muslims and Christians not constitute nations in Kenya?


It's not just religion but I listed a host of other things. The Catholic Church has a highly centralized structure as well as a devolved system of administration.

Interesting article here though
http://greenbeltmovement.org/a.php?id=167&t=p.
Better give that definition of nation to professor Maathai.
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written by James Watt , March 21, 2008
Great speech. Well articulated. The only thing that can be faulted is the pandering to Israel. Obviously Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories has played a role in the growth of Islam. But a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do and that means, if you want to be president of the USA, playing to Israel.
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I remember bristling when I watched the ODM rally and heard Mudavadi, Raila, etc speaking in their native languages. Same with Kibaki, Kalonzo and co. Not because I don't think there's value in that, Hardly! But as politicians it communicates the wrong message - it is exclusive politics and fragile democracies should focus on building inclusive democracies. Because we all know that Kenyans in Europe or other parts of the world switch to sheng' or Kiswahili when we dont want outsiders to know what we are saying. Its the same message that is picked up when politicians do it in a public forum.


Completely agree. You and me are probably from marginal tribes and those are the more willing to diversify or accept death of a language. I have never been part of the big cliques, being Taita and having married a Kikuyu/Kisii, I figure my children will be Kenyans and all I can hope they learn is Swahili, which does not play a part in the greater scheme of things but to forge some roots.

It is inevitable that with future generations will forgo the culture/heritage for globalization whether we like it or not.
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written by politicalscientist , March 21, 2008

Speaking of which, it's not that hard to preserve the languages all you need is to take an academic approach to them. Same way the Germans have their Goethe Institut and the French their French cultural centres. So why not a Kikuyu Cultural Centre or a Luhya cultural centre?

Why can't German or Englishmen or black Americans come down here and learn Kikuyu, Kipsigis, Luhya or Luo?

For some reason the prevailing mentality here seems to be that there was nothing progressive or sophisticated about the traditional African societies.

However I'm quite sure that the Germans won't give up their German, the Polish their polish etc. Nor is there anyone asking them to.

The world can dictate but I can also dictate back.I prefer to see the world being in dialogue with me rather than dictating to me.


Great sentiments, but unfortunately the march of time seems to disgaree. You point out that Germans will not give up their culture, and I ask, what does it mean to be German? Aside from the language is there any single element of German culture - real culture not just tourist traps like Weihnachtsmärkte - that I will not find in France, or the UK? Shopping malls? Modes of dress? Antipathy towards religion? I've lived in Europe for 3 years now and from where I'm standing, the only thing that makes Germans German is the fact that they speak German.

Homogenisation of culture is one of the fall outs from the process of globalisation because the more we open ourselves up to other cultures the more we are forced to concede elements of our own. Its not all bad you have to understand - for me its only bad in that so far it has been skewed; we as developing countries have been for too long forced to throw out the baby with the bath water when it comes to picking and choosing what elements of our cultural heritage we would like to preserve. The biggest trouble makers in the modern world are those who are not only unable but unwilling to adapt, and in the process castigate all the people who try to do that. Christian, Islamic and other religious fundamentalists; ethnic puritanists; fascists etc.

I have no issues whatsoever with setting up language centres for the different languages in Kenya. I think its dismal that kids aren't able to sit national exams in their own languages in their own country. But I also know that language as a social construct will only perpetuate itself as long as it serves a purpose. Two or three weeks ago the Economist ran an obituary for a lady that was the last native speaker of Eyak, a Native Canadian language. Why did the language die? She didn't teach it to her children, because she didn't think they would need it in the modern world.

So you speak Kikuyu, would that empower you to conduct a high profile trade on the stock market? To treat people in North Eastern Province as a doctor? To work as a conflict negotiator in Darfur? To be a housewife/husband running errands in downtown Nairobi? For the most part no. Because with the emergence of metropolitan and cosmopolitan towns and cities, increasing occupational mobility and other elements of globalisation, the nature of social interaction has changed to the point that the people you interact with on a day to day basis will most likely be from a different background than you. The need to communicate has never been greater, but the diversity of the people with whom we have to communicate has also increased exponentially. Like I've mentioned elsewhere, the only Banyala's I have ever interacted with on a regular basis are my family - I only use the language with my mother and grandparents.

You are probably luckier - the Kikuyu being 22% of Kenya's population with fewer and more interchangable dialects than Luhya's 18 (I can only speak 1 dialect, and understand 3). But ask yourself this. If you have any baby cousins how many of them will grow up to speak Kikuyu? How many times in the last 3 years have you used Kikuyu with people who weren't in your family? I bet, not that often. And you are Kikuyu! What about the Ogiek? Or other small tribes in Kenya?

Its a sad reality, believe you me, I am equally saddened at the prospect of losing such a huge proportion of our culture and heritage in the next 100 years. And I can guarantee that before we get to that point people will realise what a huge potential loss it will be. But on the other hand, we have an opportunity today as Kenyans to build up something greater in its place, and to do it on our own terms. You've pointed out that Kikuyu and other tribes have had centuries to grow and develop; must we not give Kenya, young, immature but more desperately needed the same opportunity to take hold in this turbulent world? Like someone else has posted here, language, culture, society - these are all fluid and dynamic concepts that serve a purpose. And once they stop serving a purpose society must put something else in its place, because nature abhors vacuums. We didn't design Kenya, we didn't choose Kiswahili as our national language, we didn't decide the location of our boundaries. But, ask yourself this, would you rather spend your energy recreating a vision of the past that you may never succeed in doing, or in sacrificing that bit of self in order to build a more proserous tomorrow?

Barack Obama is black. He cannot deny that. But as someone else has mentioned if he went out of his way to state the obvious then the next logical question would be; is he running to be president of the blacks, or of America? I remember bristling when I watched the ODM rally and heard Mudavadi, Raila, etc speaking in their native languages. Same with Kibaki, Kalonzo and co. Not because I don't think there's value in that, Hardly! But as politicians it communicates the wrong message - it is exclusive politics and fragile democracies should focus on building inclusive democracies. Because we all know that Kenyans in Europe or other parts of the world switch to sheng' or Kiswahili when we dont want outsiders to know what we are saying. Its the same message that is picked up when politicians do it in a public forum.

In short James, I admire your pride in your identity, and the vigour with which you defend it. I too would love dearly for a university department of linguistics or a language school other than the Anglican Church of Kenya to establish some kind of local language teaching centre. But I also realise that this is a stop gap to a much bigger inevitability. Even the French are bemoaning the death of their language. I fear that Kikuyu, Luhya etc will go down first.
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written by Stephen Wanyama , March 21, 2008
PoliticalScientist, why would you call the Luyia languages dialects? How are Bukusu and Maragoli people of the same ethnicity for example? Is it just because the British decided it? This is part of the problem we are facing in the Rift Valley, with people who perhaps share the ideas of Johnny, James, Matathia declaring that there is a Kalenjin nation when anyone who has read the slimmest history book knows that this was a colonial creation. Second part of this question, when did Kalonzo or Kibaki speak in their tribal languages.
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written by James Watt , March 22, 2008
Wanyama, even if the devil (or Raila, pick your beer as you seem to have an atheist strick) said one good intelligent and sensible thing thing, it would be rubbish because, it was the devil (or Raila), right? Very intelligent thought process. No wonder Kenya lags behind. Yours and your kind are the ones holding us back.

This absolutism. Almost God-like. I judge who is Right and who is Wrong. Of course Your Opinioon is delivered by the very hands of God himself and delivered with the Voice of God. You add little to no intelligence value to the discourse except to decree yourself right and others wrong.

Almost Hitler-like. Stay on your day job, for were you to ascend to any position of power, you'd take us back to the middle and dark ages. You'd dispatch those who disagreed with you with the power of the sword or the bullet, whichever was swifter or more effective. You'd find yourself in good company with good old Adolf, Mussolini and the rest of them.

Get off your high horse the Gikuyu nation existed before 1920. Homie please.
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written by James Watt , March 22, 2008

.......... I've lived in Europe for 3 years now and from where I'm standing, the only thing that makes Germans German is the fact that they speak German.



What does culture mean? What are the elements? Maybe trivial things like art, architecture (Mies van der Rohe and Walter Gropius), music,(Ludwig van Beethoven and Mozart)?, film, literature? (Goethe and Faust?) to some extent clothing, food, (Bratwurst and Kartoffeln)?, language, Deutsh?, religion, (Martin Luther), social peculiarities ? You have to remember that the Europeans who have a very similar cultural background are the one driving the world culture. Africa apart from providing song and dance has contributed little.To be German also means living with a horrible history up to this day and age. Unlike you I am quite certain that the world will accommodate all of us. You are making the world to be a tent. It's quite spacious and has more than enough space for all, so kick off your shoes, relax and enjoy.



Homogenisation of culture is one of the fall outs from the process of .....


Yes homogenisation started a long time ago and it just meant the US gives and we take. I was raised like that , you were raised like that. The difference is you choose to swim with the flow, I choose not to. Clearly people like you exist and people like me do exist too. I'll wager you any amount of money that people like me will always exist. We both live in this homogenised world and yet we hold diametrically opposing world views.


...... lady that was the last native speaker of Eyak, a Native Canadian language. Why did the language die? She didn't teach it to her children, because she didn't think they would need it in the modern world.


Clearly your kind of woman, huh? No need to worry about our languages though because the world takes and the world gives. New far flung lands? No problem will give you a plane, a train, a ship and a car. Not enough for you? Why don't we add the phone, the television and the internet? That's why Gikuyu will survive where Latin died.


So you speak Kikuyu, would that empower you to conduct a high profile trade on the stock market? To treat people in North Eastern Province as a doctor? To work as a conflict negotiator in Darfur? To be a housewife/husband running errands in downtown Nairobi? ...


Maybe not in those places but I'll certainly use the Gikuyu in the market places of Kiambu, Nyeri, Thika, Murang'a, Nyandarua and Kirinyaga. I speak plenty of Gikuyu with people who are not my family members. Every time I go up country, the matatu guy, the kiosk guy, the mama mboga, my workmate, my neighbour, hawkers, prostitutes. I'm also sure that there is plenty of business transacted in Kikuyu in the NSE. I also hear my work colleagues chatter away happily in Luo and Luhya, and believe they are not related. Not at all. Down town Nairobi? Plenty Kikuyu, also in Uptown, in New York, in London, Berlin, Amsterdam. We are like fleas. We are everywhere. Next big thing is to get google running in Kikuyu, we are like 8 million people, I'm sure the investment will pay off. Don't worry about my kids, they'll learn Kikuyu alright.


Its a sad reality, believe you me, I am equally saddened at the prospect of losing such a huge proportion of our culture and heritage in the next 100 years. ...


Oh, I'll succeed alright. Because I'm not alone. Have you ever wondered who is behind all this Kikuyu.coms, Kisii.coms, Jaluo.coms? That's right, your fellow European and American brethren and sisters. That's what happens when people get to the new world. They suddenly discover that the new world does not reflect who they really are and they become quite reactionary. Plus we have nice wonderful kikuyu literature written in Kikuyu by people like Ngugi wa Thiong'o. The music has always been there. Next frontier is film. Good luck in building that Kenya, I'll do my part in ensuring that the Gikuyu nation is an intrinsic part of it just like it has always been.

Don't make promises that you can't keep, especially ones with no consequence as you won't be here in 100 years. Yes our ancestors sought to embrace the Mzungu in all shape and form, just like Stephen Wanyama here,and sought to leave nothing but a shell of a culture, but here we are, their descendants saying like Kibaki , hapana, hiyo haiwezekaaani. Tutafichua kila kitu and we'll bequeth it to our seed.



Barack Obama is black. He cannot deny that. .. and heard Mudavadi, Raila, etc speaking in their native languages. communicates the wrong message - it is ...


Obama should learn Luo and make his first presidential speech in Luo. That will be the great symbol that the black man has finally arrived. George Bush does make speeches in spanish every once in a while, so why shouldn't Obama do a few in Luo. What's 'Yes we can' in Luo? To omy Luo brother and sisters , I say, take this speech and translate it. Turn it into a song, just like Bob Marley did with Haile Selasie's speech to the UN. Until the philosophy that puts one man inferior, and another superior....Everywhere is WAR. What's the big deal, if we had made Luo the national Language instead of Kiswahili, we'd all be speaking Luo.


In short James, I admire your pride in your identity, and the vigour with which you defend it. I too would love dearly for a university department of linguistics or a language school other than the Anglican Church of Kenya to establish some kind of local language teaching centre. But I also realise that this is a stop gap to a much bigger inevitability. Even the French are bemoaning the death of their language. I fear that Kikuyu, Luhya etc will go down first.


You meant Johnny, of cause, lakini haidhuru. We seem to share similar views. Unlike him I wouldn't have conceded the point about the Gikuyu nation so easily. I mean if the nation did not exist, why do we call country, Bururi, which is clearly not derived from English? No the Gikuyu nation is alive and well. Established in 1500. I'll take Muriukis word over Daniel Wawerus any day.You can cast your fears aside, the future is bright for all our Languages. The pool from which we draw from is wide and deep, and the modern world gives us the endless possibilities, and I'm sure like Gloria Gaynor we shall survive.
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written by politicalscientist , March 22, 2008
PoliticalScientist, why would you call the Luyia languages dialects? How are Bukusu and Maragoli people of the same ethnicity for example? Is it just because the British decided it? This is part of the problem we are facing in the Rift Valley, with people who perhaps share the ideas of Johnny, James, Matathia declaring that there is a Kalenjin nation when anyone who has read the slimmest history book knows that this was a colonial creation. Second part of this question, when did Kalonzo or Kibaki speak in their tribal languages.


Pot-AY-to, pot-AH-to - does it matter?
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written by Stephen Wanyama , March 22, 2008
when did Kalonzo or Kibaki speak in their tribal languages


Come now PoliSci, this is really a very serious charge, and if true I would like to see evidence of it. One of the great reasons why I moved away from the ODM was the fact that it mobilised on a tribal otherising basis. Let's see the facts, and no there really is no room in intellectual discourse for the use of the term Luhya as an equivalent for Luo or Kikuyu.
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written by Stephen Wanyama , March 22, 2008
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Look man, we are also very happy to speak these languages, in the same way that some learn French and Spanish. Wanyama merely opposes restricting people to identities or using racist slurs such as African is normally employed, or people grouping on the basis of race and skin colour. I am you will find much more in tune with many indigenous customs, not just from the Bukusu but also from Kenya and around the world. The main point is the fact that I have chosen not to be resticted by tags and identities I have not chosen for myself.
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Anyhow, the basic point is that while we should, let's even say must protect our cultural diversity (even extend this beyond language), we must also be awake to present day realities. Muriuki nowhere suggests that the Gikuyu have constituted a political entity since 1500. You are now making things up. How do we say this in English? Johnny B Goode n m�g gk�ra James Watt. He knows when to accept defeat, the facts speak for themselves, no Gikuyu nation before the 1920s.

These calls for treasuring culture would receive widespread support from across the world, it would be a very uninteresting earth were we all the same. What you propose however goes much further, yours is a political entity.

Now if you would slow down and listen. Kenya is in a crisis, and part of the reason for that crisis is the existence of loyalties that supersede that which the citizens have for Kenya. While we must treasure our ethnic cultures, in the political sphere the Kenyan state ought to have no rivals, not if it is to succeed in promoting equal rights for every Kenyan.

With ideas like yours, a large number of Gikuyu people will find themselves impoverished, without homes and perhaps even dead. Political identity in our context you see is linked to territory. Notions like yours may take care of you and your romantic vanity, but they are horrific for countless others who you claim to share an ancient bond with. Kirim gthekagia itim뭻, you really have no clue what you are on about.

(We chuckled at some of the wittier insults originally contained here, but nevertheless resolved to edit them a bit, as to keep temperature down below the inflagration point. And the editing also serves to highlight the important cotent substance in thread posting. No hard feelings please. Ed.)
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written by Stephen Wanyama , March 22, 2008
I do not loathe Raila because he is a dictator, I am not myself a democrat at all. We have written countless times on these pages that people, especially such as are found within our borders are not competent in themselves to do what is best for their welfare. More than that, I have in the past been a passionate supporter of Raila and the ODM and an opposer of the Kibaki government.

However, the reasons for my opposition to you and the same as those for my opposition to Raila Odinga. You preach division and promote strife. Tolerating, coddling ideas such as yours was what got Kenya into the post-election mess, because for three straight years, the opposition, the retarded media and NGO-types had gone about telling everyone with an ear that the Gikuyu were the cause of every last problem that faced them.

I am sure you are down with that programme, and no wonder Raila now presents himself to you as a hero.

Lakini on the other hand my brother, James Watt, dude let the chip slide of your shoulder. All this black man against the world stuff is so dated.

What I am adding to the discourse is the simple plea that we rally behind the Kenyan state at this time of great crisis. You see maybe in some time when we are wealthier, when we are more secure and when our ethnic differences do not mean that we are enemies (look at Spain, Switzerland or India) then we can look kindly at romantics who put their ethnicity before their Kenyan-ness, hell we should by then even tolerate people seeking to secede. At the moment though, such ideas are prophetic, and the future show is not pretty. Think of the partition of India, think of the creation of Israel, think endless enmity and strife.

I am an agnostic it is true, but the one thing I believe in passionately is the public good, this is my god then, and you are blaspheming. According to the explication of St Chrysostomos,
And should you hear any one in the public thoroughfare, or in the midst of the forum, blaspheming; go up to him and rebuke him; and should it be necessary to inflict blows, spare not to do so. Smite him on the face; strike his mouth; sanctify your hand with the blow, and if any should accuse you, and drag you to the place of justice, follow them thither; and when the judge on the bench calls you to account, say boldly that the man blasphemed the King of angels!

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We have written countless times on these pages that people, especially such as are found within our borders are not competent in themselves to do what is best for their welfare.


Which is most evidently true.
And true not just for Africa, but for many parts of the world, North and South alike. Such is man.

More than that, I have in the past been a passionate supporter of Raila and the ODM and an opposer of the Kibaki government.


If you repent and chastize thyself (daily morning whippings with euphorbia branches, to be administered by your mistress), you may eventually be forgiven.

However, the reasons for my opposition to you and the same as those for my opposition to Raila Odinga. You preach division and promote strife.


Exactly that is the problem. You perceptively named it.

What I am adding to the discourse is the simple plea that we rally behind the Kenyan state at this time of great crisis.


Kenya has more of a "state" than many African regions - but far less than she should.
To make state however, one needs not a Bigman (tm); one needs a trained, professional, altruistic administration, a corps of public servants. Kenya had it once; they were phased out successively between 1963 and 1975 or so.

then we can look kindly at romantics who put their ethnicity before their Kenyan-ness


There is romanticism in it, conceded, but it is more valid than just an Eichendorffian sentiment, pray.

but the one thing I believe in passionately is the public good, this is my god then, and you are blaspheming.


You sound like a Kenyan Asian of yesteryear now (a Sikh, Goan, Parsi), not like a black Kenyan of today. *sigh*

According to the explication of St Chrysostomos,
And should you hear any one in the public thoroughfare, or in the midst of the forum, blaspheming; go up to him and rebuke him; and should it be necessary to inflict blows, spare not to do so. Smite him on the face; strike his mouth; sanctify your hand with the blow, and if any should accuse you, and drag you to the place of justice, follow them thither; and when the judge on the bench calls you to account, say boldly that the man blasphemed the King of angels!


Lovely. *grin*

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written by politicalscientist , March 22, 2008

What does culture mean? What are the elements? Maybe trivial things like art, architecture (Mies van der Rohe and Walter Gropius), music,(Ludwig van Beethoven and Mozart)?, film, literature? .... I'll do my part in ensuring that the Gikuyu nation is an intrinsic part of it just like it has always been.


I'm sorry for the name mix up. My bad.

Ok, on y va.

Firstly, the examples that you give in terms of culture, you have to wonder are those examples of German culture as it is today or German culture as it was hundreds of years ago? Does Mozart belong in a repository of German-ness or as part of a global repository of what music can (and in my eyes) should be? The cultural heritage that you allude to is no more German than the English language belongs to the English - it used to but it no longer does. There is a German Castle in Eastern Togo, is it German or Togolese? When Mozart is played by the New York Philharmonic in North Korea, is it a symbol of cultural exchange between the Americans and the North Koreans, or the Germans and the North Koreans? They make Bratwurst in Boston, Birmingham has the biggest Christmas market outside Germany - bigger than most in Germany, and the largest Lutheran country in the world is Sweden. Celebration of German culture or the elements of German culture that have adapted successfully to the changing times?

Like I've said elsewhere, you are very passionate about your Kikuyu-ness which I suppose its great, but you, like many others are taking your passion to the point where it becomes an exclusive dialogue. Reread some of your comments above and try to pretend that you are not Kikuyu and see how the grand posturing can be misconstrued for an exclusive dialogue that threatens the very existence of the smaller communities. You cite the numerous places that you are likely to use Kikuyu and as I've said you're lucky because 22% of Kenya is Kikuyu. Where is the Ogiek man supposed to speak Ogiek? May I invite you for two minutes to put aside your Kikuyu roots and imagine for a few seconds that you are from one of the smaller tribes in Kenya? Imagine that your language, your customs and your traditions were dying before your eyes, not because people chose not to but because there isn't enough of you to fight against the tide. Imagine that you felt that way and were then brought face to face with some grand posturing from the largest tribe in the country. You arrive in the city and the larger groups are huddled in various places speaking a language you cannot understand. Can you see why some of our brothers and sisters may feel threatened and beleaguered? And can you see why it is more advantageous for them to take up a national identity - learn English, learn Swahili etc. and become part of something that may actually stand the test of time, rather than something that is doomed to fail? You've cited the Americanisation of the world as a threat - don't you think that smaller tribes in Kenya fear the Kikuyu-isation of Kenya? For you it may be an invalid threat, but as I've stated, tell that to the man from the tribe with 40 people. Do you not see that your argument is the more moderate version of the Majimboism argument? Us against them?

I have never read Ngugi wa Thiong'o, probably never will. Because he writes to and speaks to a specific audience and that audience is not me. For me, his style of writing glorifies the Kikuyu nation, yes, but at the expense of celebrating Kenya - an exclusive dialogue my friend. It is my personal belief - and certainly you have no obligation to agree - that what Kenya needs now more than ever is a period of incubation for our sense of nationhood to take root. Celebrate the things that we have in common rather than the things that make us different. There is a time to be Kikuyu and there is a time to be Kenyan. Right now our nation needs us desperately to be Kenyan first and Kikuyu/Luhya/Luo/Gusii second. A house divided will never stand.

Latin died, James and Johnny, not because the people stopped teaching it to their children. It died because over time it evolved to become something else - French, German and Italian. As the Roman Empire was overrun by invaders, the local people in different parts of the empire were influenced by different elements of the new languages. Only the church continued to celebrate Mass in original Latin, but it got to a point where the people could no longer understand what was said. The church therefore permitted people to celebrate Mass in their local languages - French etc. and retained Medieval Latin which is what you hear in the Catholic Church today . Key points - the bits that adapted became something greater, the bits that refused to adapt became redundant.

As for me and my house, you mistake my reluctance to fight for pessimism or fatalism. Quite the contrary. I like to pick my battles, and the fight to save Kenya is far more pressing for me than the fight to save a language and a culture that if I am brutally honest is no greater part of me than my heritage as a "Bantu". Look in the mirror and in your heart and be utterly, brutally honest, don't fight just because you feel you're under attack - what does it profit a man/woman to save Kikuyu and lose Kenya in its place? No one is asking you not to be Kikuyu, or not to be proud. But what the main argument is here, I hope I speak for everyone but if I don't please feel free to stress it, is to acknowledge that there is a time to be Kikuyu and a time to be Kenyan. Now is a time to be Kenyan first.
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re: come on now
written by politicalscientist , March 22, 2008
when did Kalonzo or Kibaki speak in their tribal languages


Come now PoliSci, this is really a very serious charge, and if true I would like to see evidence of it. One of the great reasons why I moved away from the ODM was the fact that it mobilised on a tribal otherising basis. Let's see the facts, and no there really is no room in intellectual discourse for the use of the term Luhya as an equivalent for Luo or Kikuyu.


I was talking about the whole Luhya as a dialect thing by the way - Language, dialect, code of communication - does it matter what you call it? Kalonzo used Kamba when speaking to a rally in Ukambani just before the campaigning period Listen more specifically to the parts underneath the commentary like 0:32 which have obviously been heavily edited for space.
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written by Amir Ibrahim , March 22, 2008
It is intellectually fatuous to rail against a global culture, and declare the primacy of one's ethnicity while lugging around the handle James Watt, and constantly referencing one's glorious attachment to Christianity and the Bible. Unless of course Jesus was black. Have you heard of Ngugi wa Thiong'o or do you actually know him?
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The Trodden Path
written by James Watt , March 22, 2008
I'm not going to retread over ground I've walked before. It's an exercise, in futility.

The black man against the world is still as necessary today as ever. It's neither backward nor forward, but necessary. Until all the world citizens get equal recognition for their contributions.

That means we must be racially sensitive in choosing our beauty queens (trivial to some perhaps but I've seen miles of discussion on the net about this), racially and ethnically sensitive in reporting about scientific discoveries and contribution. Racially and ethnically sensitive in recognition to contributions in the Arts, Music and film. Racially and ethnically sensitive in distribution of resources. Racially and ethnically sensitive in political leadership across the globe. Race, ethnicity and gender equality must be institutionalized for the whole world to be happy.

I repeat, that what your are receiving from my comments is not what I'm sending. To each his own though. I also contend that constructing the Kenyan state that we'd all like to see is not gonna be achieved by repeating how Kenyan we are but by acknowledging the reality on the ground. It must be possible to accent your own without being termed a hate monger and a seperatationist.

I've not the Gikuyu the master race in any of my discourse and neither has any of the contributors but that some choose to interprate it that way, reflects what is wrong with our society today. If we are to move forward though, Tribal discussion needs to be carried out in all brutality ala an AA meeting. All that was claimed was that it was the primary Identity. Nothing that has been spurned here serves to change my opinion on that in any way.

politicalscientist, if something is made in Germany it remains made in Germany no matter the circumstances of its use or where it stands. If I see a BMW or a Mercedes on the streets, I know that it's German, whether it's assembled in China or Thika. Thus a German can look at the so called emerging cultures and claim ownership to this and that.

Plus the Van der Rohes and Gropius are not that far back in time and form invaluable contribution to modern Architecture as does Le Cobusiers, Frank Lloyd Wright, Santiago Calatrava as do English architects like Norman Foster and Richard Rogers. The Italians made their contribution with the Michaelangelos and later through classical engineers like P.L. Nervi and Renzo Piano etc. A German can thus look at the Homogeneous new world culture and pick out Mozart, pick out the Mercedes Benz and many other things and see a lot of him or herself in it.

What does the African bring to the table? What does the Kenyan bring to the table? That's why I've taken my jembe and gone into a mining field, and there are a lot of goodies there as well as some surprising revelations.
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Clarity first then identity
written by KUNULE IMBAYI , March 22, 2008
Ahem! Why the cacophony of competing voices? Unless I identify myself as a kikuyu, a Christian, black or yellow then I feel that I am nothing (Fear). Don
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written by Kerich , March 22, 2008
While some of you all seem to be affected by that speech, the rest continue to rant and rave about these tribal nations whose devastating effects we just saw weeks ago. The most important thing now is to forge a more perfect union. A coalition of peace loving kenyans that believe that a better future can only be found in unity.That they solemnly declare that they reject the belligerent neo-fascist ethnocentrists but still reject the tyranny of homogenous thought. That we will excise from our body politic subversive and retrogressive elements and bring in progressive thought, love for your fellow man and exercise our utmost intellect in solving our problems. That is my audacious hope!
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written by James Watt , March 22, 2008
It is intellectually fatuous to rail against a global culture, and declare the primacy of one's ethnicity while lugging around the handle James Watt, and constantly referencing one's glorious attachment to Christianity and the Bible. Unless of course Jesus was black. Have you heard of Ngugi wa Thiong'o or do you actually know him?


I do not rail against global culture. I merely seek to enrich it. To find my place in it I must first Identify myself, lest I be blown by the wind. There's no one way of defining global culture anyway.

Your way of defining it or interpreting it are no more right than mine. Nothing wrong with Christianity at all, just because it has been perverted a million times or was brought by the sword does not mean that the original teachings are flawed or are not compatible with Gikuyu beliefs. Far from it, the similarities are quite striking. In fact, the Gikuyu and probably other African communities, had put into practice the motto of Love your Neighbour As You Love Yourself better than anyone else out there.

James Watt is meaningless. James is one of the 12 disciples, and I have no qualms with christianity. I don't really know where watt came from.

(Nah, not *quite* meaningless. See here, from Wikipedia:

"Watt was an enthusiastic inventor, with a fertile imagination that sometimes got in the way of finishing his works, because he could always see "just one more improvement." He was skilled with his hands, and was also able to perform systematic scientific measurements that could quantify the improvements he made and produce a greater understanding of the phenomenon he was working with.
Watt was a gentleman, greatly respected by other prominent men of the Industrial Revolution. He was an important member of the Lunar Society, and was a much sought after conversationalist and companion, always interested in expanding his horizons. He was a rather poor businessman, and especially hated bargaining and negotiating terms with those who sought to utilize the steam engine. Until he retired, he was always much concerned about his financial affairs, and was something of a worrier. His personal relationships with his friends and partners were always congenial and long-lasting." Eds.)
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Show-offs
written by Daniel.Waweru , March 22, 2008
Je n' parle pas franais; let's have English please.
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Making state in Africa
written by aeichener , March 23, 2008
What I am adding to the discourse is the simple plea that we rally behind the Kenyan state at this time of great crisis.


Kenya has more of a "state" than many African regions - but far less than she should.
To make state however, one needs not a Bigman (tm); one needs a trained, professional, altruistic administration, a corps of public servants. Kenya had it once; they were phased out successively between 1963 and 1975 or so.

but the one thing I believe in passionately is the public good, this is my god then, and you are blaspheming.

You sound like a Kenyan Asian of yesteryear now (a Sikh, Goan, Parsi), not like a black Kenyan of today. *sigh*

Alexander

And to this should be added the equally beautiful and powerful lines from Sarkozy's Dakar allocution:

"Mais le voulez-vous vraiment ? Voulez-vous que cessent l'arbitraire, la corruption, la violence ? Voulez-vous que la proprit soit respect驩e, que l'argent soit investi au lieu d'tre dtournꩩ ? Voulez-vous que l'tat se remette ɠ faire son mtier, qu'il soit allg驩 des bureaucraties qui l'touffent, qu'il soit libr驩 du parasitisme, du clientlisme, que son autorit soit restaur驩e, qu'il domine les fodalits, qu'il domine les corporatismes ? Voulez-vous que partout r驨gne l'tat de droit qui permet ɠ chacun de savoir raisonnablement ce qu'il peut attendre des autres ?"
Alexander

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On reste hexagonal
written by aeichener , March 23, 2008
There is a link to an English, uhhhhh, approximation in another thread here, but that clumsy Anglo-Saxon rendering is not very useful. We'll therefore have to go with and by the French original; I quoted it for purpose in that thread.

Alexander
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in re: watt and polisci
written by Daniel.Waweru , March 23, 2008
So deeply sorry, Daniel! I wanted to comment only, but accidentally hit the wrong button :-((. Do you have any chance to repost what you wrote? Any way I could atone? A.

Whenever I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my sickbag.


A beautiful adaptation of the infamous original line. My sincere compliments. :-)
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written by Wuod Aketch , March 23, 2008
I wonder whether it is the same Sarkozy who divorced Cecilia and just married Carla Bruni that pronounced those words.

Africans know what is ailing them and have the remedy to those ills but just do not want change.

I am saying this because I can't recognize anymore the Sarkozy who went to Dakar and gave the speech quoted above.
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written by Daniel.Waweru , March 23, 2008
[A: relax. I had a backup ;-)]

What does culture mean? What are the elements? Maybe trivial things like art, architecture (Mies van der Rohe and Walter Gropius), music,(Ludwig van Beethoven and Mozart)?, film, literature? (Goethe and Faust?) to some extent clothing, food, (Bratwurst and Kartoffeln)?, language, Deutsh?, religion, (Martin Luther), social peculiarities ? You have to remember that the Europeans who have a very similar cultural background are the one driving the world culture. Africa apart from providing song and dance has contributed little.To be German also means living with a horrible history up to this day and age. Unlike you I am quite certain that the world will accommodate all of us. You are making the world to be a tent. It's quite spacious and has more than enough space for all, so kick off your shoes, relax and enjoy.


Firstly, the examples that you give in terms of culture, you have to wonder are those examples of German culture as it is today or German culture as it was hundreds of years ago? Does Mozart belong in a repository of German-ness or as part of a global repository of what music can (and in my eyes) should be? The cultural heritage that you allude to is no more German than the English language belongs to the English - it used to but it no longer does. There is a German Castle in Eastern Togo, is it German or Togolese? When Mozart is played by the New York Philharmonic in North Korea, is it a symbol of cultural exchange between the Americans and the North Koreans, or the Germans and the North Koreans? They make Bratwurst in Boston, Birmingham has the biggest Christmas market outside Germany - bigger than most in Germany, and the largest Lutheran country in the world is Sweden. Celebration of German culture or the elements of German culture that have adapted successfully to the changing times?


Whenever I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my sickbag. Mostly because it's not clear (i) what exactly is being referred to, or (ii) whether -- even if we could fix a meaning for the term -- culture has the explanatory power claimed. Frankly, any category that includes language, food, clothing, cars, architecture, history, music, markets, and religions is probably too wide. To use the term is usually to despair of explanation.

I have never read Ngugi wa Thiong'o, probably never will. Because he writes to and speaks to a specific audience and that audience is not me. For me, his style of writing glorifies the Kikuyu nation, yes, but at the expense of celebrating Kenya - an exclusive dialogue my friend. It is my personal belief - and certainly you have no obligation to agree - that what Kenya needs now more than ever is a period of incubation for our sense of nationhood to take root. Celebrate the things that we have in common rather than the things that make us different. There is a time to be Kikuyu and there is a time to be Kenyan. Right now our nation needs us desperately to be Kenyan first and Kikuyu/Luhya/Luo/Gusii second. A house divided will never stand.


Blechh. It is difficult to believe you have read Ngugi with either sympathy or understanding. He wrote about Mau Mau because he thought it was the high point of African nationalism in Kenya; an entirely respectable opinion, which animates Weep Not Child. The central preoccupation of much of his fiction since has been the betrayal of the promise of Uhuru; his is the most powerful depiction of the small-scale consequences of the souring of the dream. That he was writing about this as early as the mid-sixties makes him a sage. Both themes should be of immediate concern to any thinking Kenyan.

No one whose knowledge of the Agikuyu came exclusively from his novels would think very well of them. In A Grain of Wheat, almost all the Gikuyu characters turn out to have betrayed each other, yet Oginga Odinga is portrayed sympathetically -- he arranges for the release of an unfairly-imprisoned Gikuyu man. The book, remember, came out in 1967, at a time when Odinga pere would not have been terribly popular.

Ngugi decided to write in Gikuyu because he felt that English distanced the workers and peasantry from his work.

At page 95 of A Grain of Wheat Kihika says:

Had Christ's death a meaning for Israel? In Kenya, we want deaths which will change things, that is to say, we want true sacrifice. But first, we have to be ready to carry the cross. I die for you, you die for me, we become a sacrifice for one another. So I can say that you, Karanja, are Christ. I am Christ. Everyone who takes the Oath of Unity to change things in Kenya is a Christ. Christ then is not one person. All those who take up the cross of liberating Kenya are the true Christs for us Kenyan people.


Ronald Knox said of Chesterton that he was great because he interpreted great truths to the English under images they were familiar with. Unless they bear unmerited but ultimately redemptive suffering together, no people can win true freedom. The passage above is a pure, and clear, and beautiful, expression of that great truth in a Kenyan idiom. (Let us pass over the blasphemy in silence.)
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Translation..
written by politicalscientist , March 23, 2008
Reconnaissant que le français n'est pas la langue officielle au Kenya, pouvez-vous nous donner la traduction? Tr. recognising that french is not an official language in Kenya, could you give us the translation?
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Clarification
written by politicalscientist , March 23, 2008
May I just clarify that my objections to Ngugi wa Thiong'o are objections to him as an individual and a writer, not as a Kikuyu? Its very frustrating for me when people cite him as a great writer of Kenyan history and Kenyan culture, when the culture that he so loudly proclaims is not mine. And this is why I find his discourse exclusive; he postures to the international community as being representative of all Kenyans when in actual fact he is not. However, as a young person with little affinity for his context it also frustrates me that people act as if Kenyans stopped writing after Ngugi wa Thiong'o - with all its flaws I would rather celebrate Kwani and other journals because they speak to who I am as a young Kenyan.
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Correction, JohnnyB
written by Daniel.Waweru , March 24, 2008
Johnny B,

Earlier, I said:

The earliest sensible date for the emergence of the Agikuyu is the beginning of the 18th century; Muriuki has dates going back to the mid 17th century, but those have a large margin of error. Until quite recently, those groups spoke closely related dialects, rather than a single language.


I've just had a look at a copy of Muriuki 1974, and his earliest dates (for the ruling generations) are from the mid-16th century; he has reliable dates for the mid-17th century on. The Manjiri generation, he claims, might have taken power as early as 1512. The chronology from the Manduti generation of the 1650s onwards is firm. (See Muriuki 1974: 21).

Apologies for my misleading claim earlier.
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written by Johnny B. Goode , March 25, 2008
Johnny B,

Earlier, I said:

The earliest sensible date for the emergence of the Agikuyu is the beginning of the 18th century; Muriuki has dates going back to the mid 17th century, but those have a large margin of error. Until quite recently, those groups spoke closely related dialects, rather than a single language.


I've just had a look at a copy of Muriuki 1974, and his earliest dates (for the ruling generations) are from the mid-16th century; he has reliable dates for the mid-17th century on. The Manjiri generation, he claims, might have taken power as early as 1512. The chronology from the Manduti generation of the 1650s onwards is firm. (See Muriuki 1974: 21).

Apologies for my misleading claim earlier.


Thanx. I'd give anything to get my hands on that book right now.
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Wa Thiong\'o
written by Johnny B. Goode , March 25, 2008
Wa Thiong'o is indeed a great Kenyan for the part he has played and is playing one of the constituent cultures. Through his books he helps us understand the conflicts existent in the transitional period in colonial Kenya. By writing in Gikuyu he will/has play/ed a role in preserving that language for future generations. I wish more writers wrote in their ethnic Kenyan languages, it's the only way they will survive for posterity.

I do remember a fellow being extremely mad in the standard newspaper at Ngugi for doing this. I always found that odd, kind of like the debate raging on about tribe over country. That though is the beauty of the human experience, things that appear so straight forward to some do not to others. One man's meat.. Anyway most of his books are translated into English.

My belief is that Kenya is the sum of its parts and what adds to any of its parts, adds to the whole. Of course it does not exclude creating something greater than the sum of the parts.
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Great Speech
written by Shiroh , April 03, 2008
I agree this is a very powerful speech. AS Kenyans we should adopt it for our very own existence
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