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Sunday, 23 March 2008

Published below is the full sermon from the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, it is the speech that had the United States in a collective conniption last week and compelled Senator Obama to that apologetic speech. Perhaps we can make it our thought for Easter?

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"Every public service of worship I have heard about so far in the wake of the American tragedy has had in its prayers and in its preachments, sympathy and compassion for those who were killed and for their families, and God's guidance upon the selected Presidents and upon our war machine, as they do what they do and what they gotta do -- paybacks.

There's a move in Psalm 137 from thoughts of paying tithes to thoughts of paying back, A move, if you will from worship to war, a move in other words from the worship of th God of creation to war against those whom God Created.  And I want you to notice very carefully this next move.  One of the reasons this Psalm is rarely read, in its entirety, because it is a move that spotlights the insanity of the cycle of violence and the cycle of hatred.

Look at the verse; Look at the verse; Look at verse nine:  [rising voice] "Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rocks."[lower voice]  The people of faith are the rivers of Babylon.  How shall we sing the Lord's song?  If I forget the order ... The people of faith,  have moved from the hatred of armed enemies [rising voice]--these soldiers who captured the king; those soldiers who slaughtered his son, that put his eyes out; those soldiers who sacked the city, burned, burned the towns, the burned the temple,  burned the towers, they have moved from the hatred of [loudest voice] armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents -- [low voice] the babies, the babies.

Blessed are they who dash your baby's brains against a rock.  And that,  my beloved,  is a dangerous place to be, yet that is where the people of faith are in the 551BC, and that is where far too many people of faith are in 2001 AD.  We have moved from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents.  We want revenge, we want paybacks, and we don't care who gets hurt in the process.

Now I asked the Lord, what should our response be in light of such an unthinkable act, but before I share with you what the Lord shared with me I want to give you one of my little faith footnotes.

Visitors, I often give little faith footnotes, so that our members don't lose sight of the big picture, let me give you a faith footnote. Turn to your neighbor and say, "Faith footnote."  [Voices: "Faith footnote"]

[Begin faith footnote]

I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday.  Did anybody else see him or hear him, he was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end.   He pointed out, (Did you see him, John?) --a white man-- he pointed out-- an ambassador-- that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, America's chickens are coming home to roost.

We took this country, by terror, away from the Sioux, the Apache, the Arrowak (phonetic) the Comanche, the Arapajo, the Navajo.  Terrorism--we took Africans from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear.  Terrorism.  We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians -- babies, non-military personnel.  We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with Stealth Bombers and killed unarmed teenagers, and toddlers, pregnant mothers  and hard working father.  [fullest voice]  We bombed Khadafi, his home and killed his child.  Blessed be they who bash your children's head agains the rocks.

[fullest voice]  We bombed Iraq, we killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living.  We bombed the plant in Sudan to payback for the attack on our embassy -- killed hundreds of hard working people --mothers and fathers, who left home to go that day, not knowing they'd never get back home.  [Even fuller voice] We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.  Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children after school -- civilians not soldiers.  People just trying to make it day by day.  We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and South Africa and now we are indignant?  Because the stuff we have done overseas is brought back into our own front yard.

America's chickens are coming home, to roost.  Violence begets violence.  Hatred begets hatred, and terrorism begets terrorism.

[lower voice] A White ambassador said that, y'all, not a black militant.  Not a Reverend who preaches about racism, an ambassador whose eyes are wide open, and whose trying to get us to wake up, and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised.  The ambassador said that the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have, but they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them, and we need to come to grips with that.

Let me stop my faith footnote right there, and ask you to think about that over the next few weeks if God grants us that many days.  Turn back to your neighbor, and say, "Footnote is over." [Voices:  "Footnote is over."]

[End Faith Footnote]

[Gentle voice]  Now, now.  C'mon back to my question to the Lord, "What should our response be right now. In light of such an unthinkable act.  I asked the Lord that question Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.

I was stuck in Newark, New Jersey.  No flights were leaving La Guardia, JFK, or Newark Airport.  On the day tht the FAA opened up the airports to bring into the destinations of cities those flights that had been diverted because of the hijacking, a scare in New York close all three regional airports and I couldn't even get her for Mr. Radford's father's funeral.  And I asked God, "What should our response be?

I saw pictures of the incredible.  People jumping from the 110th floor; people jumping from the roof because the stair wells and elevators above the 89th floor were gone-- no more.  Black people, jumping to a certain death; people holding hands jumping; people on fire jumping.  [plaintiff high voice]  And I asked the Lord, "What should our response be?" I read what the people of faith felt in 551BC.  But this is a different time, this is a different enemy, a different world,  a different terror.   This is a different reality.  What should our response be, and the Lord showed me three things.  Let me share them with you quickly and I'm gonna leave you alone to think about the faith footnote.

Number one:  The Lord showed me that this is a time for self-examination. [cheers] As I sat 900 miles away from my family and my community of faith, two months after my own father's death, God showed me that this  was a time for me to examine my relationship with God.  MY own relationship with God-- personal relationship with God.

I submit to you that it is the same for you. Folk flocked to the church in New Jersey last week, you know that foxhole-religion syndrome kicked in, that emergency chord religion, you know that little red box you pull in emergency?  It showed up in full force.  Folk who aint thought about coming to church in years, were in church last week.  I heard that mid-week prayer services all over this country which are poorly attended fifty-one week a year were jam packed all over the nation the week of the hijacking the 52nd week.  [inaudible]

But the Lord said, this aint the time for you to be examining other folks relationship this is a time of self examination.  But the Lord said, "How is "our" relationship doing Jeremiah?  How often do you talked to me personally, how often do you let me talk to you privately?  How much time do you spend trying to get right with me, or do you spend all your time trying to get other folk right?

This is a time for me to examine my own relationship with God.   Is it real or is it fake?  Is it forever or is it for show?  Is is something that you do for the sake of the public or is it something that you do  for the sake of eternity?  [voice rising]  This is a time for me to examine my own, and a time for you to examine your own relationship with God -- self examination.


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written by aeichener , March 23, 2008
Thank you very much for supplying this much-needed text, dear editor. I shall now read it attentively. Fit for Lent it was, but not wrong for Easter either.

(Just as I write this, in the TV - Papal Easter Mass - they pray: et dimitte nos debita nostra, sicut et nos dimitimus debitoribus nostris... how very fitting in this moment).

Alexander
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our love can save us
written by Truthseeker , March 23, 2008
In the spirit of the resurrection and of the coming together also, I'd like to lift up to all ye this pleasant anthem from MatchBox 20's repertoire of pleasant anthems. Kenyans and Americans would do well to heed its words. The song is titled Downfall. Seeing as I cannot be sure that everyone will share my good taste in music, here are the lyrics. There is so much more to be gained coming together than in going apart.

Wonder how you sleep
I wonder what you think of me
If I could go back
Would you have ever been with me
I want you to be unused
I want you to remember
I want you to believe in me
I want you on my side

[chorus]

Come on and lay it down
I've always been with you
Here and now
Give all that's within you
Be my savior
And I'll be your downfall
Mmm, mmm, mmm

Here we go again
Ashamed of being broken in
Were getting off track
I wanna get you back again
I want you to trouble me
I wanted you turning down
I want you to agree with me
I want so much so bad

[chorus]

Come on and lay it down
I've always been with you
Here and now
Give all that's within you
Be my savior
And Ill be your downfall
Mmm, mmm, mmm

Yeah, be my savior
(only love can save us now)
(don't lay me down)
(only love can save us now)
I'll be your downfall (Ill be your downfall)
(ah, love can save us now)
(dont save me now)

Lay it down
I've always been with you
Hear me now
With all that's within you
Be my savior
And Ill be your downfall
Mmm, mmm, mmm

Now I'm back on my own
Hear my feet, they're made of stone
Man, I make you go where I go
Well hell, you, can I take you home
Well, I'm coming home on my back
Kissing me, your lips painted black
Saying oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Let me be your downfall
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Let me be your downfall, baby
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written by aeichener , March 23, 2008
Thanks for the anthem, Truthseeker.

And yes, Stephen, one *should* maybe wonder why Gilead received this sermon so badly - an ore so rich of gold -, but one *will* not wonder. Not if one observes how the good pastor likened himself to Jeremiah, and if one pauses to remember how Jeremiah was treated. The fate of the prophet.

And Obama's cowardly and ever so illloyal comment to it showed that he ain't no new King David. A Petrus Kaiphas at best ("I have nothing to do with this man!").

Alexander
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written by Stephen Wanyama , March 23, 2008
Well Alex, following the painting of him in black and the way America's demographic splits, he really did have to do that speech, in fact it was outright ballsy of him to declare that he could not reject the reverend. This contest is for the president of one of the most backward countries on earth, how else could he have answered as a black man. He is an outsider you see, any criticism is seen as a sign that he is disloyal. Would you know his wife is being hounded for a paper she wrote at university on racism, and for saying 'This is the first time I am proud of my country.' I mean politics there is so much different than anything we have in Kenya or in Europe. This pastor above was a US Marine, and he is being called unpatriotic for pointing out that effects have causes!!
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season of hate
written by Stephen Wanyama , March 23, 2008
Well, I have always thought religion particularly useful for its ability to tap into these parts of us that we usually choose to ignore, maybe for one or two days in the year we can look beyond self-interest, put ourselves in the shoes of the other as we contemplate the ultimate sacrifice. If the passion was all about salvation and redemption, about sacrifice and love for the other then this indeed is a fitting sermon, appropriate for Kenya too as we contemplate the recent crisis. One wonders though why America received it so badly, especially the American progressives. The lines that have been played on and on were actually quotes from a TV interview someone else, a US Ambassador gave!!!.
Bertrand Russell, in Prospects of Industrial Civilization, says:

"In the course of instruction, the schoolmaster has the opportunity to instill certain mental habits. It is here that disagreement begins: what mental habits shall he teach? There are all sorts of possibilities. Jesuits, in the process of giving admirable instruction, taught their pupils to accept unquestioningly the dogmas of the Catholic church. American elementary schools teach the children to become 100 per cent Americans; i.e., to believe that America is God's own country, its Constitution divinely inspired, and its millionaires models of Sunday-school virtue. English elementary schools teach that the British Empire is great and beneficent, that it has never oppressed India, or forced opium on China, that it has been invariably humanitarian in Africa, and that all Germans are wicked. Russian elementary schools teach that Communists are virtuous, Anarchists wicked, and the bourgeois misguided; that the social revolution is imminent throughout Europe; and that there cannot be any imperialism in the Communist party because all imperialism is due to capitalism. The Japanese teach that the Mikado is a divine being, descended from the sun goddess; that Japan was created earlier than other parts of the earth; and that it is therefore the duty of the Chinese to submit meekly to whatever commands the Japanese may lay upon them.
I understand that similar doctrines are taught in Uruguay, Paraguay, and San Marino, each of which is especially favoured by Heaven and vastly more virtuous than its neighbors. In short, wherever a sovereign government exists, it uses its monopoly of the teaching of writing and reading to force upon the young a set of ridiculous beliefs of which the purpose is to increase their willingness to commit homicide.. The text-books out of which history is taught are known by every education minister in the world to be deliberately and intentionally misleading, owing to patriotic bias. It is not merely that the history taught is false; the really bad thing is that its falsehood is of a sort to make wars more likely."

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written by a guest , March 23, 2008
Context is everything...having read this speech I am struggling to find what people thought was so offensive. The same message has been preached on pulpits all around the world and never raised an eyelid until now, in political science classes in campuses here in the states and around the world people have said it - so just because its a black politician's preacher that's saying it now its all "Oh how could he?" Americans are hypocrites. They talked the same talk about Iraq and the Middle East, about chickens coming home to roost, but they are afraid to hear it said about them. Hypocrites!

This doesn't take away from the power of Obama's response but this man called it. Preach on, preacher!!
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written by a guest , March 23, 2008
''The insanity of the cycle of violence and the cycle of hatred.'' Here is a link to the video of the sermon. He was actually speaking about an interview the previous night.

Meanwhile there is really very little coverage of Hillary Clinton's lies about her experience in Northern Ireland ( Former First Minister of Northern Ireland Lord Trimble calls her claims, 'silly', of Bosnia where she claims bizarrely to have been ducking bullets!!, her $17 million dollar electoral fraud case, that she loved and now pretends to have hated the NAFTA deal or the way she met the Canadian government officials about NAFTA and then pushed the story as though it was from Obama's camp. All systems go with the Clintons, just like in the 1990s, and the worst thing is the world actually loves the Clintons!! This is how we all got Dr Strangelove in the first place, and oh poor us that the Americans are so blinded.
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Jeremiah Wright
written by James Watt , March 23, 2008
Where is the line God damn America? That was the best part of the speech.
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written by benadede , March 25, 2008
Living in the US has made me realise so much more how hypocritical these people are. Racism is so alive and well in this country that if you hope to get any funding in Social Science research you must incorporate controls for race difference. It is almost a given that there will always be group outcome differences based on race.

It is such a double-edged sword that even academics like politicians have to tread carefully about their findings. It is only politically correct to announce results that show that other races other than Whites are disadvantaged but not in the opposite direction or the notion that some of the disadvantages are self inflicted.

I applaud Obama for how he has handled his campaign thus far but the way people are coming at him hammer and tongs in the last few weeks, I see John McCain as the one who will win. The Democratic party is getting too polarized and though the turn-out for their primaries is huge, I see a lot of the supporters of the losing Democratic party candidate getting so mad that they will not go out to vote or vote for McCain come November.
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written by Maina Gichangi , March 27, 2008
Long before Jeremiah Wright, there was Dr King, and he too said God damn America.
A Knock at Midnight:Inspiration from the Great Sermons of Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. The Drum Major Instinct

And not only does this thing go into the racial struggle, it goes into the struggle between nations. And I would submit to you this morning that what is wrong in the world today is that the nations of the world are engaged in a bitter, colossal contest for supremacy. And if something doesn't happen to stop this trend, I'm sorely afraid that we won't be here to talk about Jesus Christ and about God and about brotherhood too many more years. (Yeah) If somebody doesn't bring an end to this suicidal thrust that we see in the world today, none of us are going to be around, because somebody's going to make the mistake through our senseless blunderings of dropping a nuclear bomb somewhere. And then another one is going to drop. And don't let anybody fool you, this can happen within a matter of seconds. (Amen) They have twenty-megaton bombs in Russia right now that can destroy a city as big as New York in three seconds, with everybody wiped away, and every building. And we can do the same thing to Russia and China.

But this is why we are drifting. And we are drifting there because nations are caught up with the drum major instinct. "I must be first." "I must be supreme." "Our nation must rule the world." (Preach it) And I am sad to say that the nation in which we live is the supreme culprit. And I'm going to continue to say it to America, because I love this country too much to see the drift that it has taken.

God didn't call America to do what she's doing in the world now. (Preach it, preach it) God didn't call America to engage in a senseless, unjust war as the war in Vietnam. And we are criminals in that war. We've committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I'm going to continue to say it. And we won't stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation.

But God has a way of even putting nations in their place. (Amen) The God that I worship has a way of saying, "Don't play with me." (Yes) He has a way of saying, as the God of the Old Testament used to say to the Hebrews, "Don't play with me, Israel. Don't play with me, Babylon. (Yes) Be still and know that I'm God. And if you don't stop your reckless course, I'll rise up and break the backbone of your power." (Yes) And that can happen to America. (Yes) Every now and then I go back and read Gibbons' Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. And when I come and look at America, I say to myself, the parallels are frightening. And we have perverted the drum major instinct.

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