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'Let Raila and Kibaki fight! They are presidents' PDF Print E-mail
Written by Ombuya E. Okongo   
Tuesday, 01 January 2008

“Let Raila and Kibaki fight! They are the presidents; we are just people!”

Those, The New York Times reports, are the words of a Luo man interviewed during a march for peace in a Nairobi slum, a march attended by both Kikuyus and Luos. And that really is the message we should be sending to the young men and women killing each other across the country - not the baseless, emotion-charged arguments we continue to see on internet forums.

In the same story, The New York Times quotes a shopkeeper named Stanley Maina asking: "For all these years, we've been living together. Why are we fighting now?" That is the big question that neighbours must ask each other before they take to each others' throats in the most despicable acts of violence.

Kenyans need to realize that there is no difference between Mwai Kibaki and Raila Odinga. Both are extremely rich men who have done very little for their tribes-people, whether Kikuyus or Luos. We need to tell our people that Mwai Kibaki has more in common with Raila Odinga than he has with the slum-dwelling Kikuyu in Mathare struggling everyday to feed his family.

Raila Odinga feels and understands Kibaki's pain more than he understands the suffering of the poverty-stricken Luos languishing in the dungeons of Kibera, deep in his own constituency. This might come as shock to you, but if you looked at every single ethnic group in Kenya, you'd find that there are more Kikuyus living in poverty than the people of any other ethnicity. In a county where nearly half of the people are unemployed, you can guess that no ethnic group is going to be spared. In fact, the large a tribe is, odds are the more of its people are living in the most deprived conditions.

For example, in the United States, most of the people living in poverty, or exisiting at a great disadvantage are white people. That is so because they are the majority. But politicians do not want this known, so they instead play the race card, which ends up tricking these poor white people to vote against their own interests thinking all the while that they are acting against immigrants and Americans of other races. At the same time, their conditions keeps getting worse, as those they keep electing go on to serve other interests even as they keep taking this support for granted.

The exactly phenomenon is at work in Kenya. Politicians have told us that Kikuyus are in power, therefore, all Kikuyus are rich and that is the reason we are poor. They are taking what should be ours. Come on, Kenya, we are smarter than that.

Those of us with the luxury to share our views online must be careful not to exacerbate the situation. There are alternatives to violence and peace must prevail if we as a nation have to survive. If all our interests, the collective interest and the lot of the greater number is to improve.

What gives us human beings an edge over other creatures is our ability to learn by observation. I wish we could use this advantage more often. We do not have to plunge our country into mayhem to see what it means to be at war. We have seen what war has done to most of our neighboring countries and the burden it has placed on us.

If we lose our heads, we'll have nowhere to run and no one but ourselves to blame.


Ombuya E. Okongo
About the author:
Edwin is a widely published Kenyan journalist, humorist, memoirist and satirist in the United States.




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Well said
written by Mbaire , January 01, 2008
Such a breath of fresh air! It's sad that many Kenyans (most of them abroad, I assume), are encouraging war mongering and peppering the Kenyan online forums with messages of hatred. There is a swahili saying that states "Ndovu wanapopigana, nyasi huumia." We need to realize that Kenya is bigger than Kibaki and Raila. We need to preach peace and love and work towards healing the wounds that have been opened by this election. After all, we the people are the ones who have the most to lose.
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written by anne , January 01, 2008
Ombuya E. Okong'o, you are so right there is very little difference between Kibaki and Odinga. Infact,there is no difference between all those rich politicans in Kenya. They go out and try and convince their people if so and so wasnt in power we would have a better life. The truth of the matter is that the chaos and violence is not affecting this politicans; they are sleeping very peacefully in their mansions. We might succeed this week in killing the kikuyus, but by next week all of kenya will be suffering. Instead my fellow kenyans, please pray, this are our poeple; this is our home. God gave us Kenya to love and take care of.
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Well said !
written by aeichener , January 02, 2008
I plainly agree with Okong'o's comments. They speak out soberly, clearly and bluntly about the real divisions in Kenya. Truth that people need to listen to.

Alexander
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really?
written by newafroguy , January 02, 2008
How very simplistic.

The real issues at the heart of these chaos are two- fold, a group of citizens so enraged and tired of the ruling classes and common criminals taking advantage of the occassion to wreak havoc.

It isn't about rich but about political power and how it is seen to be dispensed either favorably or unfavorably depending on which side one sits. The arrogance and impunity of the Kibaki regime has pushed Kenyans against the wall and robbed them of their dreams, starting with the Michukis, Arturs, up to the Lucys. That's why Kibaki's cabinet was voted out.

All over the world, frustration leads to violence if no other outlet is provided. This is not a justification but just an accurate diagnosis. History has shown that the only effective way out of such an impasse is tangible change, not mere peace mongering. Peace mongering only postpones the issues and allows them to fester underground unmonitored only to errupt back stronger.

Raila can speak all the peace he wants but it will not change the mentality of those who chose ODM not because of him but because of its anti Kibaki stance. We need to separate these issues. Today it may be Raila, but last time it was Matiba against Moi etc.

It should thus be a matter of addressing the ISSUES not the PEOPLE.
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Where the difference lies
written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , January 02, 2008
While Kibaki and Raila may be more similar than they are to their constituents. The poor truth is that they are the ones who stand for election. It's either one or the other. For some reason many of us beleive it should be Raila and not Kibaki, even "more" believe it stays Kibaki. It's the choice between an Orange and a banana, no pinaple, pawpaw, or mango, or avocado.
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written by Subira , January 02, 2008
I agree with Okong'o - Raila, Kibaki, Uhuru, Kalonzo, Moi, name them have a lot in common than the people they represent. No human life is more important than another human life. Being president cannot equate a lost life coz you'll have to face the people after five years regardless of what but losing a human life is losing a human life for ever. I hate people from given tribes being killed because they voted for one presidential candidate - Regardless of whom they voted for, its their constitutional right. Presidents come and go but a human life once go its gone.

The fact is, there was almost an equal amount of people who voted for Kibaki as there was who vote for Raila. Either way there would be almost an equal number of people who could have been irritated.

Its not worth to lose a life because of Raila - Its not worth to lose a life because of Kibaki. These two have nothing in common with ordinary Kenyans. A Kikuyu life or Luo life is not any important than the other.

Regardless of the rigging claims from either side (Sorry to say - Both of them rigged) if they can't sacrifice their ego for the sake of Kenya, then they are all not worth president.
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re: really?
written by That Kenyan Loser , January 02, 2008
It isn't about rich but about political power and how it is seen to be dispensed either favorably or unfavorably depending on which side one sits.

How does a Kibaki or Raila presidency accord political power to the poor people fighting on the streets? Don't be fooled by all these buzzwords politicians and the media use to push their agenda.
All over the world, frustration leads to violence if no other outlet is provided

This is not a justification but just an accurate diagnosis. History has shown that the only effective way out of such an impasse is tangible change, not mere peace mongering. Peace mongering only postpones the issues and allows them to fester underground unmonitored only to errupt back stronger.

Advocating violence is easier for you becasue you in a cocoon.

We did not exhaust all the alternatives before starting chaos. Name one country in the world that has chosen violence and achieved a lasting solution to its problems.
It should thus be a matter of addressing the ISSUES not the PEOPLE.

Define "ISSUES." Again, here you go again with those political buzzwords that mean absolutely nothing to poor people.

You are being used to kill your own brothers by people who do not care about you.

Just remember that one of the worst traits of human beings is vengefulness. What are you going to do when those you are persecuting now have the upper hand?
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understand first
written by newafroguy , January 02, 2008
@That Kenyan Loser

You are reading me in a shallow manner. Read again. Furthermore, am not advocating violence. Am trying to explain it by looking the devil square in the eye instead of engaging in your kind of wishful thinking.

We have had tell tale signs of problems in Kenya for a long time. Some of the main issues have been a direct result of the political dispensation (read misuse of power)of the governments of the day. Consider the previous land clashes.

My point is that Kenyans have for long taken peace for granted with the assumption that it was always going to be there. This attitude has made both our leaders and ourselves arrogant and complacent.

The issues to be addressed are varied but will definately include poverty amid plenty (govt assisted grabbing and looting), percieved unequal distribution of resources, and definately addressing the matter of the constitution.

My position is that all talk of peace and coexistence and no tangible action will not resolve our problems for trust me, the problem is not merely Kibaki or Raila, but whichever government that may perpetuate the culture of arrogance that we have seen lately.

Listen to the people...always, always.
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re: understand first
written by That Kenyan Loser , January 02, 2008
@That Kenyan Loser

You are reading me in a shallow manner. Read again. Furthermore, am not advocating violence. Am trying to explain it by looking the devil square in the eye instead of engaging in your kind of wishful thinking.

We have had tell tale signs of problems in Kenya for a long time. Some of the main issues have been a direct result of the political dispensation (read misuse of power)of the governments of the day. Consider the previous land clashes.

My point is that Kenyans have for long taken peace for granted with the assumption that it was always going to be there. This attitude has made both our leaders and ourselves arrogant and complacent.

The issues to be addressed are varied but will definately include poverty amid plenty (govt assisted grabbing and looting), percieved unequal distribution of resources, and definately addressing the matter of the constitution.

My position is that all talk of peace and coexistence and no tangible action will not resolve our problems for trust me, the problem is not merely Kibaki or Raila, but whichever government that may perpetuate the culture of arrogance that we have seen lately.

Listen to the people...always, always.

I might be reading you in "a shallow manner" but has it ever occurred to you that you might be communicating in a "shallow manner," whatever that means?

You still haven't explained to me why a poor Luo is attacking a poor Kikuyu. All you've said could make sense if Raila's supportes were attacking Kibaki and the rich.
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Cut from the same cloth
written by Marsh , January 02, 2008
Look at how both the government Mps and the opposition Mps raised their pay in unison! Do you think they care about the poor Wanjiku and Omollo? People shoud seek advice from their religious leaders at this trying times.

God bless Kenya long live Kenya.
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written by nyangara , January 02, 2008
I am thinking that saying that to tourists will just not hurt only Kibaki but Kenya as a whole. This violence is not hurting Kibaki it is hurting Kenyans ... for all we know he is somewhere vacationing. However, the advice on tourists is something I know the Americans already did by day one of violence. I wish sometimes we Kenyans or Africans in general protected our own instead of fighting each other on tribal basis as we do. Seriously something has got to give. I do agree ... the people now have a voice in Kenya. As for religious leaders it is true that they should speak out and even the media should say something ... it is obvious our political leaders seem to be having other more pressing matters than taking care of our beloved nation. I wonder what could be more important than restoring peace in our Nation.

The other day I was wondering are the young children still supposed to recite the Kenyan Loyalty pledge ... seems rather ... Oh well lemme swallow what I was just about to say. Pray for peace in Kenya ... and many other African nations that are plagued with these wars. God Help Us All!!!!
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written by Roni , January 02, 2008
Those government and opposition mps are elected by you and me into parliament. They dont send themselves into parliament. If you feel that your mp does not deliver then do not elect them. Yes I agree the way they award themselves hefty payments but I also believe that not all of them are for the hefty payments. The problems with us is that we are always ready to wag tongues and do nothing about a negative situation. And this is the reason why Kibaki robbed Kenyans of their votes in broad day light. Him together with his croonies believed or believe that the violence was expected after their heinous act and that it will last for two to three days and then wane out and life then continues as usual. But unfortunately for them and fortunately for democracy loving kenyans, we have the likes of akina Ruto, Ngilu, Raila, Balala and the rest who are fighting for us.

I am sorry to say this but most of our religious leaders are worse than our MPs.
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Okongo\'s article is true
written by New Day , January 02, 2008
I agree with the writer that in terms of social status, which we all aspire to develop, Raila and Kibaki are alike. However, let us not forget the history of tribal hatred betwee nthe 2 communities which still exists. This has now put them apart as they cite all manner of stereotypes to appear to have won. The election was rigged, fine, but what i do not understand is why kenyans are killing each other ! Moi rigged the elections in 1992 and 1997 in his favour yet kikuyus and luos did not join forces to harm the kalenjins. There must be an underlying reason for this virus.
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you can sms me
written by New Day , January 02, 2008
Dear all, we can continue to keep ourselves informed on the political developments in kenya, send sms to + 254.720.93.10.35. thanks
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re: MARCH ?
written by aeichener , January 02, 2008

I am sorry to say this but most of our religious leaders are worse than our MPs.


Most? I don't know. There are learned mild imans, charitable pastors, priests advocating for the poor; but there are also the many hate-mongers, the backyard taliban, the hooligans in chasuble, intolerant thugs with crocier and thurible... and mostly the many many who feel that the surest way to God is through their own money-bag and glory, like that Starehe "bishopess" ('xcuse me while I barf).

Let me insert what I wrote here in another comment:

Something like a peace vigil (or candle march, see East European precedents) might indeed be the right thing in Eldoret and Kisumu:

A sober and solemn event that shows Kenyan of all ethnia brotherly and sisterly united in their quest for peace and togetherness.

Religious leaders - or better should I write: religious servants - of all denominations are the ones who should organize this, not the disgraced and soiled, power-hungry politicians of either side.

Alexander
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written by Bulldog , January 02, 2008
After my analysis of the situation, i've come to conclude that the cause of violence is a failed system not kibaki not raila. if judiciary was functional and free from interference, the whole issue should have been referred to courts and i believe a solution could have been arrived at. but here is gicheru who was ready to swear in kibaki even before election results were announced what kind of ruling is do you think he'll give or perhaps even more do you think the case will ever be heard. demonstration therefore would have been the best way around but only if lives are not lost. but as said before there are criminal elements who take advantage of the situation to further their course.
but this question begs to answered: violence may be stopped today but what about 2012 if this rigging takes place again and the same thing is repeated. lives lost again.
this is what raila asked. can somebody provide an answer. because i believe kibaki and cronies like moi are not about to change or change the system today because of their past atrocities.
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Bulldog
written by Stephen Wanyama , January 02, 2008
What the ODM people fail to see, and what Okong'o is at pains to point out is that when you use words like 'the system', 'the status quo', Raila is part and parcel of the Kenyan problem.

I have just now been shown for example the ODM kings, forget the Pentagon, think the people who really count.
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written by Bulldog-Stephen Wanyama , January 02, 2008
I'll tell you a summary of what our problem is coz it seems you are not getting issues rightly. We're in state where the Govt is too strong to give its people rights. It can do away with gentleman agreement without thinking they ever talked. Dishonor pledges to the people as though in a dream at the time of making them. It can buy parliamentarians and strangle democracy. In other words if anything can increase its strength that will it embrace.
I condemn killing of innocent kenyans and destruction of property but mass action is more than welcome to bring the power back to the people through devolution, independence of judiciary and the legislative assembly. In brief making the system such that the decision of kenyans is not abused in anyway since it is this abuse that has caused problems.
I posed a question which you have not answered. How do we ensure that what has happened here will not happen again may be in 2012 or later when the parasites surrounding the president still want another person to protect them and their loot from the pesticide of the electorate? we must not postpone a problem we need a solution.
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written by manta ray , January 02, 2008
Congrats Mr Okongo! Your understanding is spot on!

The real problem with Kenyans is the underlying perception that politics and a position in a senior political office is the one and ONLY way to acquire fabulous wealth. However, you have to get into those offices first, and the easiest way to do that is to mobilise people into potent forces that will usher you into those powerful political offices by appealing to their basest tribal instincts. THAT is where the problem lies, and unless Kenyans learn to come to terms with and accept that fact and recognise it as an extremely dangerous shortcoming, we will be going round in circles forever, pretending that we are too civilised to be so base in this primitive desire to get wealth without working for it.

Appealing to or mobilising people along ethnic lines MUST therefore be made a capital offence that is strictly enforced by hanging. This will allow politicians with no leadership skills other than an obscene ability to appeal to primal tribal emotions to be weeded out and hopefully we can start to elect leaders based strictly on issues.

PNU is/was a party organised by senior Kikuyus in Govt to perpetuate their lust for the power to continue dishing out the pork to their cronies and friends. That is a fact. Conversely, ODM is simply a conglomeration of envious other big tribes ganging up to counter perceived Kikuyu hegemony. Purpose? To partake of the very same pork that is Govt resources which YOU and ME will never have access to, no matter how lustily we cheer on our tribal heroes!! Even the media, despite its most earnest pretensions, promotes subtle ethnicity. Now we can all see the fruits of this national recklessness and irresponsibility.

Until we learn to disavow our instinctive tribal biases and simplistic but thoughtless support for tribal chieftains, we will remain fools jogging on the same spot until we are old and broken.
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written by kimani , January 02, 2008
Please Kenyans, dont be theoretical on this serious matter.

The matter is not between Raila and Kibaki, nor between Luo and Kikuyu. It is between the disappointed voters from all over Kenya: Digo, Kalenjins, Kuria, Kisiis, Luhyas, Kenyan Arabs, etc, and Kibaki. These people feel that their chance of getting an equal share of the national cake has been snatched away from them.

The bad thing is that Mr Lambsdorf and some ECK commissioners revealed to them that it was in Molo, Meru, etc (predominantly Gema) areas where serious discrepancies arose. The people are seeing this ethnic group as the agents of corrupted presidential election. They cant touch Kibaki, so they go for the Kikuyus. To retaliate Kibaki sends brutal GSUs to Kisumu, etc.

This is a circe of violence which will continue unless Mr Kibaki, as a democrat, agrees to step down immediately for a fresh presidential elections.

Kikuyus, Luos, Kalenjins, Kambas, Kisiis,Luhyas, Digos,etc will meet heavy casualties, if our man whom we votes for overwhemingly in the year 2002 has no feeling for his country men and women. He alone has the key to solve this problem.
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written by MoAmin , January 02, 2008
Kimani,
I suppose I would not be far from right if I called you a troll right? And the name Kimani, that is supposed to be funny?

The GSU were sent into Kisumu long before the violence against Kikuyus or the statements from the observers were made.
Secondly, all the observer reports I have read, and even as a German speaker like The Head EU Observer has insisted, although the Kenyan Media continues to make out like the ODM was innocent.
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Tribalism is ugly;
written by Grace , January 02, 2008
I agree with the sentiments raised by Ombuya. There are rich luos, who have alot to hide, than millions of poor kikuyus. That Kibaki stole the elections doesnt mean that every kikuyu voted for him...If all kikuyus were rich, we wouldnt have any in kibera or mathare, roasting maize or selling 'fish' and sukuma wiki. There are Kikuyus and luos living in buruburu, South B, karen, milimani,westlands and the other richer neighbourhoods of Nairobi. Why arent they hacking each other to death? Why Kibera and mathare?...I dont understand why Ruto cannot go up to Eldoret and tell his supporters that those kikuyu neighbours are innocent and have nothing to do with Kibaki's alleged theft of the 'presidency'... All politicians are to blame for what is happening...they play the tribal cards against each other. They count how many we are, and add us up to see how much support they have. When we kill each other, they count how many are dead, and blame each other for the 'statistics'. Its days since killing started, and all they can do is blame each other for the "genocide". If Raila says "the governement is commiting genocide", you wonder if it is the governement that burned the church in eldoret or the one burning and looting businesses in kisumu and everywhere else. Its angry raila supporters, burning people they feel 'stole' thier victory (?).

Such is the paradoz of wars and civil strive..it is the poor guy who fights so that the rich guy can ascend to power. When Kony and Museveni refuse to back down and have peace, who continues to suffer? When Sudan fought for years, where was John Garang and other rich southern sudanes? in Kenya, living in some of the leafy surburbs? What about the current war in Darfur? we hear the 'label leaders' being interviewed by BBC from London, where they live...or libya or whereever else they have secured thier families. I wish the poor luo and kikuyu men and women in Kibera know, that if this escalates into a civil war (God forbid), Raila, kibaki, ruto, kalonzo etc are likely to be cozy neighbours in South Africa, swizerland or wherever else they will take thier families. They will make a stop here once in a while, to urge on the 'fighters'....to continue fighting for thier rights
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equal share does not exist!
written by Grace , January 02, 2008
Ask Kalenjins if they got 'equal share' since Moi ruled for years, and most will tell you NO. Ask common mwanainchi kikuyu if they got 'any share' since kibaki came in in 2002, they will say no.
the hatred for kikuyus is deep-rooted, which I find ridicoulus... In the last 10 years, I have seen Kikuyus in 'nice' jobs in nairobi who choose to live modest lives (modest cars, cheap rental houses) so they could save and eventually own plots etc...meanwhile, those of us who are in the same jobs chose to live 'richer lives' and therfore not likely to get the plots etc...that sounds simplistic, but an honest Kenyan will tell you that there are many kikuyus who are 'honestly rich' because they chose to delay gratification...kweli ama rongo? The fellows are industrious and we shouldnt hate them for that, should we? A kikuyu friend recently saw a fullow plot in bungoma town and asked the price, and he thought it was cheap and is thinking of buying it...20 years from today, he will have saved little by little and bulit a tower there.. will we say he 'stole', and hack him to death?

my defense of kikuyus aside, assuming the solution is in kibaki stepping down, and Raila ascending to power is simplistic. I know numerous kenyans who said NO to their MP who was in Kibaki's governement BUT said a big YES to Kibaki, so the assumption that just because ODM has majority MPs, Raila won is misleading....a re-count, or better re-election is what should be done, under international mediation...an honest kenyan will know that the presidential poll was too close to call... will honest kenyans rise their hands? I can count a few...the rest of us have to take sides, pro-or-against; such is the folly of democrazy!!
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written by manta ray , January 02, 2008
What, in your considered view, is the definition of "an equal share of the national cake" which Kikuyus are getting and others are not? Answer that mystery and i will call you Einstein.
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written by Grace , January 02, 2008
may be equal share could be equal development, job opportunities, access to education, health and social services? As to which are getting are which are not, you will be surprised (or may be not) to know that a division in Nyeri (rumuruti, kieni etc) have some of the poorest families in kenya...there are many parts of the central province where families live in terrible poverty...did you see the stories of jigger infested people on TV? those are kikuyus, arent they? My point was, there is nothing like 'just because the president is kikuyu, all kikuyus are "eating"'...they arent, and an honest kenyan will know that even if Raila became president, many luos would continue living in poverty..my point really is, its wrong for poor kenyans in kibera and mathare to hack each other to death in the name of "its our time to eat"...when Kibaki wins, its the time for him and those of his class (karumes) to eat...if Raila wins, its likely to be the same....so does that make be Esteing? I suppose not!!
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written by Njau Ndirangu , January 02, 2008
41 against 1 was really a bad campaign strategy that has caused all this animosity and hatred.
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written by Njau Ndirangu , January 02, 2008
First lets condemn the rigging done on both sides.One party unhappy because it did not steal more is hypocritical. Another thing 41 against 1 campaign was a disaster to start with. It has created this animosity and hatred. Maybe the right thing is people to come together now and force both leader to quit and look for a third option. None of them is going to heal the country.
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written by aeichener , January 02, 2008
First lets condemn the rigging done on both sides.One party unhappy because it did not steal more is hypocritical.


Brilliant quip! Bravo!
I shall quote it, if you allow?

Another thing 41 against 1 campaign was a disaster to start with. It has created this animosity and hatred.


Exactly.

Maybe the right thing is people to come together now and force both leader to quit and look for a third option. None of them is going to heal the country.


Right.

Alexander
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RE: KANU B
written by Juma Ousman , January 03, 2008
When the multi party was in its infancy, James Orengo famously stated that the opposition movement was taken over by individuals from the oppressive Kanu regime. As sad as it may sound as long as we as Kenyans keep on recycling the same politicians our country stands to sink to the violent likes of Ivory Coast, Angola and Sierra Leone.
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Who Cares?
written by Patrick Gathara , January 03, 2008
Who cares?

Link here.
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THAT KENYAN LOSER
written by Roni , January 03, 2008
Nearly contentless insults deleted. Ed.
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newafroguy is right
written by simba , January 03, 2008
Mzee Jomo Kenyatta planted the seeds of the arrogance that continued in 2003 after a 24 year suspension. It is common knowledge that during Kenyatta's time, cabinet meetings were held in Kikuyu, and famously one non-kikuyu minister was told to learn Kikuyu if he wanted to follow what was going on in the meetings, when he attempted to complain. The eruption we are witnessing now is as a result of years of deep-rooted tribal contempt, that has now hit the fan. I dont know what the solution is, but I know that the problem is not as simple as Raila conceding defeat and life going on as usual.

Incitement deleted. Ed.
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Buying time is not the solutio
written by Wuod Aketch , January 03, 2008
Quotation deleted. Ed.

I did not see anywhere in the media Raila telling the Digo people in Likoni to go and burn down Kikuyu property.
Let us not bury our heads in the sand - the problem is the perceived injustice that Kibaki and his clique have borne.

Incitement deleted. Ed.
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written by MoAmin , January 03, 2008
Well, no the problem is not the elections. That is a lie. Let me inform you because I am from the Coast.

Balala told an ODM rally sometime last year that Majimbo was good so that they could retake the beach plots which wabara have taken from them.

In the Rift Valley, there has always been violence against the Kikuyu at every single election since 1992. What the elections serve to do it to show people that they are different, that they have different political and economic situations.

It really does not have to be an election even. In Kisumu for example football matches, the death of a local hero, anything really has been historically enough to set the town ariot.

When you ask whether Raila sent the Digo to burn Kikuyu shops, are you then alleging that Kibaki told them? I am not denying that there is culpability on Kibaki's side, but the red hot hatred of the Agikuyu and its permission into national politics has never been more permissible than since Raila said Wakikuyu ni adui.
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re: Raila and Kibaki
written by That Kenyan Loser , January 03, 2008
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What the man meant is that we are innocent people who don't need to kill each other. "THE PEOPLE" you're talking about do not attack the innocent, for that leads to attacking themselves. "THE PEOPLE" make their statements with civility and exhaust all peaceful means before taking up arms.

Can you say that we have done that?

I agree with you that at some point, "THE PEOPLE" get frustrated and take up arms to fight their oppressors. What you guys and gals trying to justify the violence haven't explained to me is how beheading a poor Kikuyu fixes the Nairobi-Kisumu road.
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Peace
written by Grace N , January 03, 2008
Side issues, distractions and insults deleted. Ed.

Most below 40 Kenyans are pariahs. Raila is not the best either, he is there to facilitate change.

And evil incitements also. Ed.
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re: Peace
written by That Kenyan Loser , January 03, 2008
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You, GraceN, are fighting? From your desk in the United States? Wow!

P.S: Every time I run into your kind - people who get orgasms from making personal attacks, rather than addressing the topic at hand - I promise myself to never respond. But every time, it occurs to me that I would be doing a disservice to humanity if I don't try.
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Bwana KO
written by Kamau Ochieng , January 05, 2008
What i don't understand is, Odinga has been in power for a long time, better yet so has Kibaki. Nothing substancial has really come out of either one of them. So why are we still discussing how to keep either one in power. What we should be looking for is an alternative. Where are the Obama's of Kenya.
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written by That Kenyan Loser , January 05, 2008
What i don't understand is, Odinga has been in power for a long time, better yet so has Kibaki. Nothing substancial has really come out of either one of them. So why are we still discussing how to keep either one in power. What we should be looking for is an alternative. Where are the Obama's of Kenya.

I think Kenyans should have a re-run presidential election and vote for neither of these baby killers, Kibaki and Odinga.

I bet you if we did that they'd be playing golf together, trying to hatch a plan to re-oppress (is that even a word?) Kenyans.
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written by jessy , January 12, 2008
edit, please post in normal-sixed font
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KIBAKI OR RAILA WHO TO FACE GE
written by shiro mogeni , January 17, 2008
Before I draft in full the contours of my argument, I find it necessary to prepare the analytical stage for the unfolding drama. Kenyans should open their eyes because what is happening now is genocide in the veil of electoral violence. It is becoming clear that these well-organized acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing were well planned, financed and rehearsed prior to the general .About 30 Kikuyus died when a mob set fire to a church where they had taken sanctuary in the western town of Eldoret-reviving memories of the slaughter in churches of hundreds of thousands in Rwanda's 1994 genocide. The Eldoret attack was one the worst episodes of violence that has uprooted nearly 100,000 Kenyans, many of them fleeing across the border to Uganda It is mass murder deliberately planned and carried out by individuals, all of whom are responsible whether they made the plan, gave the order or carried out the killings. Whatever its scale, genocide is made up of individual acts, and individual choices to perform them, so human individuals need to make the commitment, as early in life as possible
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