A History of Violence PDF Print E-mail
Written by Muciimi Mbatia   
Monday, 04 February 2008

In African folklore, there is a character that looms large for its polished deception, which guile often results in sizzling dramatic irony. The story usually culminates in a situation where the devious, meek-looking carnivore is entrusted with the care of the docile herbivores, often depicted as sheep.

There is likelihood that lore might imitate life in the on-going dialogue over the Kenyan crisis, particularly given the appointment of people linked to tribal violence as negotiators and engineers of peace.
 
William Ruto was recently appointed by ODM as one of its three negotiators in the Kofi Annan-led mediation efforts that aim to reconcile Kenyans after a spate of post-election violence.  Given numerous accusations against him, alleging links to and inspiration of the violence in the Rift Valley, the question must be asked: Is Kenya entrusting its peace negotiations to a war-monger? If indeed William Ruto is a war monger, how can we expect him to negotiate in good faith in the larger interest of the country? As this description in Time magazine states, Ruto holds the key to this crisis . "William Ruto, part of Odinga's inner circle, and his ilk are key to this crisis. Yes, they attend peace talks, but they're accused of inciting ethnic violence on the side. Who is this man, Ruto?

William Samoei Ruto is the youthful and articulate member of parliament for Eldoret North. He is very good on the stump, and his urbane manner and mostly flawless English and Kiswahili set him apart from older generation of Kalenjin politicians who speak tortured versions of both these languages. A member of the Nandi sub-tribe of the Kalenjin meta-ethnic group, he shares a name with the legendary Kalenjin hero, Orkoiyot Koitalel Turugat arap Samoei, whose resistance to British colonialism led to his death at the hands of the British imperialist Captain Richard Meinertzhagen.  

Many Kalenjins view Ruto as the reincarnation of Koitalel, or at least a descendant. Like Koitalel, Ruto is seen as defending Kalenjin rights; these are imagined in pre-contact terms when the Nandi numbered 30,000 and raided their neighbors with impunity. This myth is instrumental in understanding how Ruto was able to emerge as the foremost Kalenjin leader before he was even 40 years, dethroning former President Daniel who is seen as hailing from the Tugen, a smaller Kalenjin sub-tribe, and supplanting the likes of Nicholas Biwott, who hails from the less gallant Elgeyo sub-tribe of the Kalenjin. 

Despite his shinning political star, Ruto has been accused of instigating clashes that have led to the displacement of thousands of people in the Rift Valley in organized violence. For reference, see Senior Counsel Mutula Kilonzo's interview on how violence in the Rift Valley was organized here

To be fair to Ruto, he has not yet been tried and found guilty of such incitement or for his role as the kiptainik (leading warrior).  However, there is a sizeable amount of published information that suggests a link between him and the violence.

Amongst other reports, he was cited for hate speech in a document called Still Behaving Badly: Second Periodic Report of the Election-Monitoring Project, published in December last year by the Kenya National Human Rights Commission (KNHRC). This report was but a tip of the iceberg. According to the Parliamentary Hansard of April 2007 on page 346, a former assistant minister for Planning and National Development, J. Serut, named Samoei (Ruto), amongst others, as the group that was inciting people in the Mt. Elgon area of Kenya. The violence in that area - and as far as Kitale - claimed 200 lives last year, mainly members of the Bukusu community who are seen, like the Kikuyus and Kisiis, as having illegally occupied land in the Rift Valley that "belongs" to the Kalenjin. A dozen policemen also lost their lives in the Mt. Elgon violence blamed on the so-called Saboti Land Defence Forces (SLDF).

Interestingly, a Fred Chesebe Kapondi, who was arrested and charged with the violence last year, was elected as Member of Parliament on an Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) ticket. His charges are still pending in court and he will have to divide his time between parliament and the courts. Kapondi is in good company in the ODM. Ruto, and others such as Franklin Bett, a member of parliament from the greater Kericho district which has seen a lot of violence directed at Kisiis and Kikuyus, belong to ODM. Bett was also named in parliament by Serut for his role in fomenting violence.

While it could be argued that Serut was misusing parliamentary privilege to name individuals such Ruto, what is clear is that Ruto’s name keeps coming up whenever incitement is reported – in and out of parliament.

According to KNHRC’s report on the Constitutional Referendum published in September 2006, Ruto was once again named for incitement in the run up to the constitutional referendum of November 2005.

KANU Youth ’92, Kalenjin Warriors and Mayhem
Available reports show that Ruto has been mentioned in the same breadth with violence for a long time. Ruto made his considerable wealth as a leader of the Youth for KANU ’92, a dubious lobby group that was formed to support the Presidency of former dictator Daniel arap Moi. At the time the organization was formed, he was a Masters student in zoology at the University of Nairobi. He abandoned his studies to throw his weight with Moi’s totalitarianism and to take advantage of the free money flowing into the organization.  This organization was famous for one thing: its bottomless pockets. It was never clear where the money came from, but it has been claimed that former Central Bank governor Eric Kotut, a fellow Kalenjin, printed paper money to finance Moi’s campaign.

Other reports allege that this money came from the Goldenberg swindle which started in the early 1990s, and in which the Kenyan taxpayer lost over Shs. 80 billion. If this is true, Ruto, his YK’92 colleague Cyrus Jirongo, as well as Musalia Mudavadi, the finance minister at the height of the heist, have a good motivation to prevent a government that might prosecute them.

Aware of this murky past, the British have slapped a ban on Ruto so that he cannot travel to the UK.  YK’92, as the lobby was called, was manned by youthful operatives in flashy suits, the most conspicuous ones being Ruto and Jirongo. However, the YK’92 represented the urban, sophisticated face of a campaign whose mantra was to show that multiparty politics was not going to work in Kenya. The mission of YK’92 included vote buying, bribery, and intimidation. 

In the rural areas of the Rift Valley, the more unsophisticated phase of YK’92 was in operation. Styled as “Kalenjin warriors,” and armed with bows and arrows, some of industrial grade, their mission was to drive out Kikuyu, Kisii, Luo and Luhya voters. It is notable that the very first clashes broke out in Nandi, Ruto’s neighboring district that still retains the name of the tribe.

A report compiled by Human Rights Watch called Divide and Rule, notes:

The ethnic clashes first broke out on October 29, 1991, at Meteitei farm in Tinderet, Nandi District, on the border of Rift Valley, Nyanza, and Western Provinces….As the fighting continued, the Kalenjin community was accused of attacking the Luo community….Luo leaders, whose community was the first to be affected by the clashes, concluded that the violence was the direct result of the majimbo rally held at Kapsabet a month earlier. After the violence erupted, leaflets were distributed in the area warning Luos and other non-Kalenjins to leave the area by December 12, 1991, or “face the consequences.” The leaflets were signed by a group calling itself the Nandi Warriors.

These Nandi Warriors later became known as the “Kalenjin Warriors,” as more attacks were launched on non-Kalenjins. According to Divide and Rule, “The attackers were often identically dressed in informal uniform of shorts and tee-shirts and always armed with traditional bows and arrows as well as pangas. Sometimes, the warriors would have their faces marked in the traditional manner with clay. The warriors would loot, kill, and burn houses, leaving death and destruction in their wake.” Some of the fiercest fighting was between the Kalenjin and the Luo. This is how Divide and Rule puts it: “The Kericho-Kisumu road was temporarily closed as “Kalenjin warriors” armed with bows and arrows battled with Luos across the road. The confrontation between the two communities followed an attack by Kalenjins against hundreds of Luos residing in Nandi and Kericho Districts during which the Kalenjins had looted and burned Luo homes. The Luo community responded with a counter-attack. A Luo policeman trying to stop the fighting allegedly killed a Kalenjin, resulting in a new attack by the Kalenjins against neighboring Owiro farm, populated by Luos.”

Given this history, it would appear that the Luo, in their bid for power, have suppressed their memory and allowed themselves to be dragged by their leaders into a pact with the devil for political expediency. Although the Kenyatta regime was accused of carrying out targeted assassinations of politicians deemed to be a threat, it is true to say that in terms of ethnic groups, there is no community in Kenya that has caused more death and destruction to fellow Kenyans than the Kalenjin. 

Keeping Democracy at Bay
According to researcher Prisca Mbura Kamungi in her 2001 report: The Current Status of Internally Displaced Persons in Kenya: "Research into the violence indicates that the affected communities were mainly supporters of opposition parties. The Kenya government got into pluralism involuntarily due to internal and international pressure, 13 and it is alleged that KANU leaders were firmly resolved on either reverting the country to one party status or keeping genuine democracy at bay."  

The way democracy was to be kept at bay was through Majimboism, a form of uniquely Kenyan ethnic federalism, calls of which have been associated with violence since Kenya’s independence from Britain in 1963. People in the Rift Valley, specifically Kalenjins, were incited against fellow Kenyans who had settled in their midst. This was done with a specific purpose: ensuring that the opposition, then mainly Kikuyu and Luo, did not garner the required 25 percent in the Rift Valley for their presidential candidate. KNHCR put it succinctly in one of their aptly named reports called Killing the Vote. If enough pro-democracy people could be killed or displaced, why, it was possible for authoritarianism to prevail. 

As reward for executing the violence, local people were told that those non-local people who had settled in their midst had exploited them for social benefits. That they had settled in their areas away from their ancestral lands was pointed out as evidence of this exploitation. Kamungi writes: “The violence was therefore explained by politicians to be caused by resentful locals who wanted these benefits for themselves, an aim achievable only through eviction of the 'aliens' or 'foreigners'.” 

What is often lost to most observers is the connection between the violence of 1992, 1997, and 2002, and 2007. For a start, the violence was perpetrated against other communities by one community – the Kalenjin. It targeted people who had settled in the Rift Valley regardless of their ethnic origins so long as they were non-Kalenjins. The attacks were accompanied by theft and looting of private property by Kalenjin warriors. In these incidences, the government was reluctant to take the Kalenjin head on, thereby emboldening them to conduct the next raid during the next raiding season. These raids coincide with moments when the country was exercising its democracy – elections.  It is as if some elements within Kalenjin politics are still intent on keeping genuine democracy at bay.  Genuine democracy initially meant multipartyism, which was seen as inimical to Kalenjin interests by threatening “their” hold on power because President Moi is Kalenjin.

Today it behoves us to understand it in a more holistic sense, that democracy means not just liberal democracy, but also a general acceptance of the democratic tenets of majority rule, equal opportunity, and rule of law. For Kalenjin nationalists, this is unacceptable. Majority rule to some Kalenjins means that Kikuyus will dominate, even though it is clear that no one community in Kenya can rule without the coming together with other communities. Equal opportunity also does not appear to satisfy some of them; many were unable to take advantage of opportunities availed to them disproportionately by President Moi. Rule of law is also a problem for some Kalenjins; it means that past crimes, including raids by Kalenjin warriors will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and that people who acquired public property or bankrupted state companies will also face the law. Given this state of affairs, some prominent Kalenjin politicians continue to portray both majority rule and rule of law as a conspiracy by the Kikuyu to monopolize power and wealth without stating that that mode of governance threatens the Kalenjin way of life.

The Gema Numerical Strength and Democracy in Kenya
That is why they find it difficult to accept an electoral outcome that favors a candidate that they don’t control. Currently, the argument is muddled by those who do not want to accept the reality of Kenya’s demographics, which are such that any presidential candidate from the GEMA communities who manages to command the support of that constituency is always at a huge advantage. For a start, such a candidate starts of with 30 percent of the total national vote based on the larger GEMA population (Kikuyu, Embu, Meru) and has to work just to top up the vote and to garner the mandatory 25 percent of the vote in five of the eight provinces.  In contrast, a candidate from, say, the Luo, starts of with 12 percent of the national vote. If such a Luo candidate manages to attract the entire Kalenjin vote, he starts with only 24 percent against the GEMA candidate’s 30 percent. In the recent election, that is what happened.

ODM’s strategy of vilifying the GEMA created a siege mentality that resulted in a huge voter turn out in a community that generally does not vote in large numbers. PNU candidates in GEMA areas had only one message for their people: get out and vote. And they did; voter turn out in GEMA areas increased significantly compared to the 2005 constitutional referendum figures.  Unfortunately, the ODM candidate could not even command the total unadulterated Luhya vote which would have helped to tip the balance. And because Luhya’s did not feel fully invested in an ODM presidency –which they saw as Luo – they did not turn out in large numbers, denying the ODM candidate vital votes. Not to mention, of course, that the Bukusu, a sub-tribe of the Luhya, as immigrants into the Rift Valley, have more in common with Kisii and Kikuyu than with the Luo.  

Any fair analysis of this electoral outcome has to take into account Kenya’s tribal politics and demographics. As Kiraitu Murungi asked in an article in the Sunday Nation of February 3 2008, are the 4.5 million Kenyans who voted for Kibaki not Kenyans?  Kibaki’s first term was remarkable for its tolerance and freedom, besides the economic progress that has been noted by the World Bank, IMF, and notable international and credit rating agencies.

It is also remarkable for ensuring the kind of diversity Kenya has never seen since independence. This ethnic diversity and balance was has been noted by Dr. David Throup of John Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS), an expert on Kenya, in an article published by the Center for International & Strategic Studies. Except for the Ministry of Finance, which Kibaki probably felt he needed to keep close reigns on, the administration was easily the most ethnically diverse ever.

However, it is true that Kibaki did retire a number of Kalenjin bureaucrats as it was felt that the government was susceptible to being undermined by some of the Kalenjin bureaucrats beholden to the ideology of Kalenjin nationalism. The reason why a number of senior Kalenjin civil servants were removed after Kibaki came to power, in addition to the need by Kibaki to reward his political supporters, has something to do with the view that the intricate Kalenjin networks established under Moi were a threat to the new regime. However, Kalenjin rank and file was not targeted and retained their jobs in the civil service.   

The Specter of Violence
Back to Ruto. In 2002, it was alleged that he had slapped Reuben Chesire, a Nandi elder and a former Chairman of the Industrial Development Bank over a dispute at State House, Nairobi. If that was an allegation, however, a threat by Ruto that he would assault Chesire at a future date was reported in fact by the Daily Nation which also links Ruto to incitement and violence in the Rift Valley. According to UK's Daily Telegraph , during the 2002 campaign Ruto was one of two government ministers warned by the Electoral Commission for "serious polling offences." 

One of the more memorable moments in KANU's otherwise dismal 2002 campaign, was a rally in Gatundu in 2002, where the Eldoret North MP insisted that KANU would form the next government with or without the support of the Kikuyu.  In saying so, he was perhaps alluding to the extra-constitutional strategies employed to prevent them from voting. This warning came amid "increasingly persistent allegations of intimidation, fraud  and looting of state funds." 

In the current violence, voices are increasingly emerging that link Ruto directly to the violence in the Rift Valley.  TIME magazine reports "In Eldoret, for example, some locals accused William Ruto, a leader of Odinga's Orange Democratic Movement and a Kalenjin, of hate speech in the run-up to the vote. "He's the main inciter," said a man named Benjamin, who refused to give his last name for fear of punishment. "He said that if we are not going to win as ODM, we will not accept to stay with the Kikuyus. They will have to go."  

And this report by The Statesman sets out clearly that Ruto participated in pre-election agitation for violence. Interviews with the victims, as well as the perpetrators of violence, indicate that the violence in the Rift Valley, was well organized in advance by Kalenjin elders and leaders. In fact, even before the first vote was cast, a total of 70 people had already died, many in opposition strongholds. This was clearly a harbinger of things to come.

In this interview by the BBC carried out in Eldoret, Kalenjin fighters who clearly regret killing Kikuyus, said that they were asked to kill Kikuyus by their leaders. Ruto's response to these accusations is that he is an undeserved target of lies by the human rights commission, forcing the commission to defend itself: "We are not biased because our job is to hold the political class accountable no matter who they are," Kiai said.

Ruto's party, the ODM, has gone a step further to muddle the debate by electing to confuse the issue of ethnic cleansing with the sort of violence (excessive even) that might occur in any government in the course of maintaining law and order.  In a pre-emptive move, the ODM took the government to the International Criminal Court in The Hague. The ODM charges centered around deaths that occurred in the process of restoring calm following the violent demonstrations inspired or called for by the ODM. These demonstrations caused loss of life in Kenya, and disrupted the economies of neighboring countries. In taking the government to the ICC, the Opposition party is trying to cast the government in the same mold as Charles Taylor and Slobodan Milesovich. However, it is unlikely that the charges will hold given that the Kenyan police have largely acted professionally under extreme provocation, with reports of police trucks being searched by mobs in illegal road blocks in the Nandi and Kipsigis districts. The deaths that occurred at the hands of the police mainly took place in the thick of street battles as the Kenyan police were trying to restore calm after opposition supporters engaged in violence, mayhem, disruption, looting, rape, and murder.

It is noteworthy that before violence broke out, the Kenyan police had no history of mass murder of opposition supporters, targeted or accidental. It is true that the Kenyan Police Service is by no means a posse of angelic shepherds.  Just last year there were accusations that police killed members of Mungiki, but this controversial group is not part of the opposition.  So far this year, close to 1000 people have been killed in the post election violence. Of this number, the police have killed less than 100 people. 90 or so of the victims were killed in the revenge attacks in Naivasha and Nakuru and it is likely that PNU supporters have killed many people in Nairobi. However, it goes without saying that the bulk of the victims have died at the hands of ODM's supporters in their 'spontaenous fury'. Unfortunately, William Ruto was amongst the very last national leaders to call for peace. So far, he has not gone to Kalenjin areas to confront the mobs and to ask for calm. In comparison, Uhuru Kenyatta, Cyrus Jirongo, Lewis Nguyai, Fred Gumo, Martha Karua, Linah Kilimo and others have gone to the streets to reason with mobs and their appeal has been heeded. Ruto and other ODM MPs insist that they cannot face their constituents before the resolution of the presidential vote dispute. In other words, they are using violence as a bargaining tool. 

Ruto's silence on violence is louder than those who shout "No Raila, No Peace," betraying their resolve to install Raila in office by force, regardless of whether he won or not and regardless of the human cost or the consequences to the wider economy. This determined and stubborn silence, has now led to some attacks being waged in Ruto's name. When raiders went to the home of Ken Matara, they burned his house because some members of his Kisii community people had attacked Ruto in South Mugirango constituency.

So why are men with histories of violence sitting at the negotiating table discussing peace? Is Kenya entrusting a leopard to look after the sheep?





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written by Mogoka Shtim , February 05, 2008
Interesting and very damning...

Thanks for the info and the back up links...

"Where there is smoke there is fire"
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written by ahappyspark , February 05, 2008
My husband (we are from different, you could say opposing tribes btw) says we need a Jerry Rawlins military leader who takes no prisoners, bloodless coup and gives us Kenyans a chance to mature, clean house and bring in fresh blood without the already existing rotten apples in parliament. You know what, I somewhat agree, it is risky however right now....we have 600K displaced and 1000 dead.....I think we have already paid the price. I was an 8-4-4 grad so I am learning most of my history from this discussion board....maybe we need to change our schools history curriculum...???? just a thought.
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written by Daudi , February 05, 2008
Great article, beautiful research. Now lets do one on Mungiki.
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violence as a bargaining tool
written by mkosakabila , February 05, 2008
I suspect this is being done by both sides. As you suggest, by the ODM-ers to threaten others into complying with their demands. Threats might be credible too, look at all those people in camps! But also seems like PNU people are exploiting this violence to showcase the brutal, degenerate character of ODM leadership (and followers?) and to build some kind of case, for whatever purpose. Politically, there is little incentive to stop the violence, on both sides. For now.
Very wicked!
So why is Ruto sitting on the table? I think you just answered it yourself, rather well. ODMs blue-eyed boy. For now.
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written by Mr. Vikii , February 05, 2008
I have asked myself this question many times now. At what point was William Ruto cleansed? You cannot tell me to have faith in the Annan talks if some of the negotiators are the sponsors of the violence they are pupporting to be seeking ways to stop. If I am stonning people in the steets of Nairobi, i least expect William Ruto, the man with the least moral authority in Kenya right now to urge me to desist from violence. Simply put, William Ruto is grossly incompetent to engage in peace initiatives.

His slapping of Chesire is not in doubt. I went for my industrial internship at Alexander Forbes Financial Services company at Nation Centre, Nairobi with Chesire's daughter called Barbara. She was in Kenya for her vacation (She studies in Canada)and we got aquainted. She was very bitter about Ruto having slapped her father and yet it was the latter who paid most of his college tuition.

It is some of these things that make me lose faith in Kibaki. All this evidence suggests that people like William Ruto should not be members of Parliament as we talk but prefects at Kamiti Maximum Prison. It is just unthinkale that criminals can continue to hold the nation at ransom and yet they are in the opposition. What this means is that the government is not in control and the most honourable thing for them to do is to relinguish power.
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why did Kibaki rig
written by Wuod Aketch , February 05, 2008
If Kibaki was to win easily after garnering the GEMA vote, then why did he need to rig?

Stop cheating yourselves, Kenya belongs to the rest of us too who are not GEMA.

Ruto had to sit on that table, because as you say, he is the alpha and the omega of the violence in the RV.
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Kibaki
written by Gichangi , February 05, 2008
Vikii,
Now the question is, is Kenya mature enough for the arrest and apprehension of its political criminals? What would be the consequences of arresting Ruto? What would be the consequences of going into RVP guns a-blazing? Would the IDPs then be able to return? You see any action of this sort by Kibaki takes on the light not of low enforcement, but of Kikuyu forces conquering the Rift Valley, look at Aketch's comments on expeditionary forces going into Kisumu.

Think not merely of the short-term, the tomorrow, think of the long term, as a friend of mine recently pointed out to me, there are people in the Balkans who hold grudges about wars going back into the 11th century.
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written by Mr. Vikii , February 05, 2008
Gichangi if Saitoti or Ali wakes up one morning and orders the arrest of Ruto or Raila, it will be bad for the country because even people supportive of the government today will view this as persecution of the opposition.

But you know what? Kibaki has continued to be under seige because of his Public Relations and marketing skills. Whereas the ODM side continues to explain their cause often times "sugar coating" it, the Mwai Kibaki side continues to be aloof. If Kibaki and most of his ministers were to come out of their hiding caves and join Martha Karua in telling the world the truth, the international Pressure Kibaki is feeling right now would be squarely o Raila. When a lie is repeated a hundred times, it sounds like a truth and no one knows that better than Raila Odinga and the ODM. If the International community and even some of those who voted for Kibaki continue to hear one side of the story then Kibaki should only blame himself for failing to question the lies that the ODM propagates. That is why Raila and Ruto are getting away with massacre because in the eyes of the world, they are fighting for democracy(Interesting).

When violence first broke out, Gichangi, the Director of International studies at my college was so passionate about Odinga's defense of democracy and justice in kenya. My pleas to him to try and see Railaism through a different pair of lenses fell on deaf ears. To him, Kibaki was a tyrant and Raila was indeed Kenya's Mandela. A couple weeks ago, he called me to tell me how misinformed he had been. He had just listened to both Raila Odinga's and Martha Karua's BBC Hardtalk interviews and he was of the view that Raila's indirect endorsement of the scorching of the Eldoret church was inexcusable. It gave him the desire to reasearch more about the man Odinga and you know what his conclusion was?--Odinga is one dangerous man.

My point here is that the government side has a duty to showcase their side of the story. I have confidence in the comprehensive skills of the Kenyan people. They will see who exactly Ruto and Raila are and when these and other criminals are put behind bars, most Kenyans will embrace the decision. But with Kibaki's aloofness, I can promise you that we will be right here in three years talking about Ruto-sponsored violence and subordination.
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written by Wuod Aketch , February 05, 2008


When violence first broke out, Gichangi, the Director of International studies at my college was so passionate about Odinga's defense of democracy and justice in kenya.


Which violence are you referring to? The one by the police against civilians in Kisumu? Or the one in Eldoret that took place and targeted the settlers, after the opposition in RV saw what had happened in Kisumu. Or the ones executed in Central province, Naivasha and Nakuru by the Kikuyus against the non Kikuyus?
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written by pndiangui , February 05, 2008
When violence first broke out, Gichangi, the Director of International studies at my college was so passionate about Odinga's defense of democracy and justice in kenya. My pleas to him to try and see Railaism through a different pair of lenses fell on deaf ears. To him, Kibaki was a tyrant and Raila was indeed Kenya's Mandela. A couple weeks ago, he called me to tell me how misinformed he had been. He had just listened to both Raila Odinga's and Martha Karua's BBC Hardtalk interviews and he was of the view that Raila's indirect endorsement of the scorching of the Eldoret church was inexcusable. It gave him the desire to reasearch more about the man Odinga and you know what his conclusion was?--Odinga is one dangerous man.


I almost thought you were talking about me.
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written by Mogoka shtim , February 05, 2008
Wuod,are you gonna spam, the entire thread with rhetoric about raila, when in the first place its about Ruto and his penchant for violence? Support the man if you must. But for the love of god stick to the topic.I wonder what you reactions are when someone accuses Raila ....

dishonest dialogue!!. Kweli the lidaahs(c)Aichener..have done a number on us.
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written by Wuod Aketch , February 06, 2008
Those who call Raila tribal should remember the slogan "Kibaki
tosha".


There can be no peace without justice
http://www.eastandard.net/news/?id=1143981430

In 2002, Mwai Kibaki was elected, marking the end of the Moi
era. It was Raila Odinga's campaign and declaration of "Kibaki
Tosha!" that did it for the then Democratic Party leader who had ran
for the presidency twice (1992 and 1997) and lost. There was hope of
Kenya being a successful country, with a new democratic outlook.

After Kibaki assumed power, he changed tact and scandals started
rocking his Government - dismissing the MoU, brushing over
Goldenberg, Anglo Leasing, poor performance of Kenya Anti-Corruption
Commission and Artur scam and the raid on the Standard Group
premises.

There was no new constitution despite the promise. There was and
there is tribal dominance in most public offices, especially the
Finance, Security and Provincial Administration ministries.

Under Kibaki the average and below average Kenyan has suffered more
than ever with little hope for a better future.

The massive rigging machine, which had been put in place long before
the elections, and the subsequent rigging then made people snap with
anger. It was the spark next to the dynamite keg. People remember
the misgivings over these past 44 years, during which governance has
been most wanting, having deprived millions of Kenyans over the
years. It is therefore human to respond with anger.


Wuod, stop trolling, or we may have to soldier on without you. Ed.
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8-4-4
written by Stephen Wanyama , February 06, 2008
I have never understood why anyone would think the 8-4-4 system was defective, particularly in its teaching of history. This has been mentioned twice now here, first by Nanjala and now by AHappySpark. I am afraid I do not know what they are talking about, particularly because all the commenters I know personally here are deffo 8-4-4.

I believe strongly that the very smartest most intelligent Kenyans are 8-4-4. But that is my bias. smilies/smiley.gif
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re: what is 8-4-4?
written by mkosakabila , February 06, 2008
particularly because all the commenters I know personally here are deffo 8-4-4.


I see. Am off to the museum.
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written by Murebeti , February 06, 2008
Very good article this-- well done.With his history of belligerence and war-mongering, Ruto should not have been allowed anywhere near a peace-seeking initiative. But then, it was ODM's choice! Why they would take this choice beffudles me. Or, may be Ruto is calling the shots at ODM? Why he would get himself into the peace initiative seems to me a sleek attempt to protect himself by increasing his profile and by placing himself in a vantage point to monitor developments with intentions of directing and, if necessary, sabotaging them. While Ruto's strategy may work for a while, it is going to fail in the long run. He should know he is no longer dealing with Kibaki, and the resolve of the world powers to sort this thing out is bold and unwavering. He cannot use Kalenjin warriors to threaten his way out of this one. If it goes as it should, the Koffi Annan mediation should not be so much about individuals as it should be about building a framework through which mechanisms and institutions will be put in place to ensure this whole tragic fiasco is not seen again in Kenya. Such mechanisms and institutions will eventually net people like Ruto in the long, if not short, run.

It is also good that the government is, albeit belatedly, getting to tell its side of the story, and I hope this is precisely why Kalonzo will be visiting the world power capitals.
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written by Daniel.Waweru , February 06, 2008
Editors, surely the aeichener/nanjala exchange deserves to be left up for posterity?
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written by Mr. Vikii , February 06, 2008
Aichener must stop his misplaced notion that he is smarter than everybody else. I for one have never been inside a Political Science (or any other social sciences) class and never will, but that doesn't disqualify me from holding a political opinion.
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ignorance is bliss
written by Stephen Wanyama , February 06, 2008
Vikii,
You totally misunderstand Eichener's statement, and we Kenyans tend to be overly defensive of our people. Kenyans are really astoundingly ignorant.
In 2002, many of us were shocked that Kibaki was voted in on a reformist agenda. This year, hordes of Kenyans were maniacal in their effort to cheer on the 'change' agenda of the ODM, in extreme contravention of even the most basic common sense. To this day there are Kenyans who argue that Raila and Company have 'never been given a chance'. Look at how much Kenyans, including those who call themselves educated continue to insist that they want democracy!!

Remember these are the same idiots who kicked Muriuki Karue, Joe Khamisi, Raphael Tuju, Njeru Ndwiga and Kipruto Kirwa. Kenyans spoke very loudly as they proclaimed themselves supremely ignorant and unworthy of the vote.
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written by Mr. Vikii , February 06, 2008
"International studies are certainly a subset of political science, in my book"---Aeichener

The fact that the college has an international studies school doesnt mean all students attending the college are part of it. I could be studying how to make atomic bombs and repair gas cylinders in a college that also offers political science.
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written by imani , February 07, 2008
violence is violence doesnt matter when it was metted or by whom. Do not justify any of it. This is damn sick
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written by aeichener , February 07, 2008
When violence first broke out, Gichangi, the Director of International studies at my college was so passionate about Odinga's defense of democracy and justice in Kenya.

Kenyans abroad: (def.) washenzi with an expensive academic degree.

A couple weeks ago, he called me to tell me how misinformed he had been.

Did you slap him in the face, at least? ;-)

It gave him the desire to reasearch more

Oh my Gaaawd, careful: if your director goes on like this, they might mistake him for a scholar. Maybe even for an Ugandan.

Alexander
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Brilliant!
written by aeichener , February 07, 2008
One of the best and most thorough articles I ever have read since the ineption of KenyaImagine. My compliments to the editors for publishing it. Alas, it would be inconceivable to find such a fine and scholarly piece printed in any of the Kenyan papers. Their editors would weed it out immediately.

It shows also a depth of knowledge, insight and scholarly understanding, that those posing to be "political scientists" (translate as: Daddy's money bought me a place and subsequent degree in the UK / USA) will hardly ever achieve.

Alexander
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written by politicalscientist , February 07, 2008
One of the best and most thorough articles I ever have read since the ineption of KenyaImagine. My compliments to the editors for publishing it. Alas, it would be inconceivable to find such a fine and scholarly piece printed in any of the Kenyan papers. Their editors would weed it out immediately.

It shows also a depth of knowledge, insight and scholarly understanding, that those posing to be "political scientists" (translate as: Daddy's money bought me a place and subsequent degree in the UK / USA) will hardly ever achieve.

Alexander


Snide, arrogant, off putting and eventually, unneccesary. It takes a very small man indeed to resort to personal insults in order to win a debate.
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REPORTS
written by a guest , February 07, 2008
Reports.

Yes ALL reports must be pursued to the bottomline, factual truth established and appropriate action taken.And let them not be limited to RV violence but all reports which have been swept under the carpet, i.e Anglo leasing, Mungiki menace, Naivasha and central Kenya killings of non Kikuyus, somebody MUST be behind them too which I believe KHRC is investigating too and finally the root cause of the post election violence: Election rigging allegations by PNU and who was behind it if it at all took place. I also believe that there are some Kenyans out there who would like to know by names the "BAD PEOPLE SURROUNDING PRESIDENT KIBAKI WHO GOD SHOULD NEVER HAVE ALLOWED TO COME INTO THIS WORLD" as reported by our ECK chaiman Mr. Kivuitu. After all these bad people must be some of our lidaas and we should be told what is so bad about them that they can be refered to as such in public by the ECK chairman.
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written by manta ray , February 07, 2008
Aichener must stop his misplaced notion that he is smarter than everybody else. I for one have never been inside a Political Science (or any other social sciences) class and never will, but that doesn't disqualify me from holding a political opinion.


Mr Vikii, I strongly beg to differ.
All you have succeeded in portraying is the mindless insistence of many Kenyans to have an overwhelming and suffocating inferiority complex when their own inadequacies are exposed.

You have failed to convincingly joust with Aeichener and so you fall back to the easy option of calling him names. You have also chosen, in mule-like obeisance to the gods of mediocrity and failure, not to realise that for Kenyans to get out of the intellectual prison that they have found themselves in, courtesy of the mediocre class of humans we call our political leaders, the standard of discussions must be raised to levels the majority of our so-called leaders can never reach, and find solutions to the problems that beset our country since these troglodytes in power cannot.

You should be proud that you have the opportunity to partake of the wisdom and intellect of Aeichener, Wanyama, Nanjala, Waweru,Ndorobo,Wainaina,Opoti,Nyabs,JV Ogot, Oyudo, Mbatia etc and other patriotic Kenyans. These are Kenyans whose contributions Kenyan politicians should be regularly reading daily in order to kick start their day.
We cannot let abnormal people dominate normal lives and circumstances. It just doesn't make sense.

To put a perspective, ask yourself thus; between the above Kenyans and Ruto, Kosgei, Kiraitu, Raila, Kibaki etc, who do you think would give Barack Obama a run for his money in ANY political discussion?
Answer that correctly and you will experience true enlightment.
My point? Kenya and Kenyans MUST raise the game and refuse to accept incompetence,mediocrity, ignorance and stupidity as a daily staple.

What is said on this forum may look small in the context of the sheer size of the blogosphere, but it is a beginning and i suspect, will become the discussion board of choice for serious Kenyans and that will go on to influence the thinking of the decision makers. In that regard, you can always say you were there at the beginning.
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written by mkosakabila , February 07, 2008
One of the best and most thorough articles I ever have read since the ineption of KenyaImagine.


Same. Same.

It shows also a depth of knowledge, insight and scholarly understanding, that those posing to be political scientists (translate as: Daddy's money bought me a place and subsequent degree in the UK / USA) will hardly ever achieve.
Alexander


Drivel.

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class act
written by mkosakabila , February 07, 2008
This is an important forum, very unique in its style and in its contributions. A class act and growing.

(Flattery is always welcome (and maybe even occasionally deserved), but it will not sway us into one or the other direction. Eds.)

Even Wuod would agree with that, despite his storm the state house exhortation being edited out rather swiftly. Its also a forum that has its wenyewe as manta ray pointed out so nicely in his post above. But I find it painful that anyone should justify Alexander's insults to the rest of us and even shift the burden to the insultee, suggesting that the insultee should engage in an even higher plane of argumentation as a counter. There is a line that Mister Vikkii and other contributors are trying to draw here. Unclear what Alexander has against political science or political scientists but I imagine many of them earned their credentials with their own sweat and blood and smarts. Dont denigrate the entire enterprise. Target and vilify those individuals who you believe are doing the discipline an injustice. Oh, what a turn off.
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flattery?
written by mkosakabila , February 07, 2008
This is an important forum, very unique in its style and in its contributions. A class act and growing.
(Flattery is always welcome (and maybe even occasionally deserved), but it will not sway us into one or the other direction. Eds.)

No? I thought flattery got me....everywhere. How silly!
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Who are the 5 bznessmen?
written by Wuod Aketch , February 07, 2008
Who are the five business men and their children banned from traveling by the US?

(And who are the policicians? Ed.)

U.S. Embassy officials in Nairobi said five of those banned were politicians while the rest were prominent business people, but declined to give further details.

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written by manta ray , February 07, 2008
This is an important forum, very unique in its style and in its contributions. A class act and growing.

(Flattery is always welcome (and maybe even occasionally deserved), but it will not sway us into one or the other direction. Eds.)

Even Wuod would agree with that, despite his storm the state house exhortation being edited out rather swiftly. Its also a forum that has its wenyewe as manta ray pointed out so nicely in his post above. But I find it painful that anyone should justify Alexander's insults to the rest of us and even shift the burden to the insultee, suggesting that the insultee should engage in an even higher plane of argumentation as a counter. There is a line that Mister Vikkii and other contributors are trying to draw here. Unclear what Alexander has against political science or political scientists but I imagine many of them earned their credentials with their own sweat and blood and smarts. Dont denigrate the entire enterprise. Target and vilify those individuals who you believe are doing the discipline an injustice. Oh, what a turn off.



There is nowhere i have insinuated that KI has its wenyewe, as you call them. I was simply comparing the intellectual level of discussion in this forum as opposed to what appears in other fora including Kenyan newspapers. KI is way, way ahead.

Aeichener was simply pointing out that even self professed political scientists, whether in Kenya or in the diaspora, have not been able to put together an article on the genesis of the Rift Valley political tensions as clearly,convincingly and as brilliantly as Muciimi Mbatia did.
Mr Vikii's reaction was to call Aeichener a smartass for expressing an opinion, while Mr Political Scientist had the cheek to call him arrogant, as if he, Mr Political Scientist, is the only one with the right to claim pride of place in the title and name "political scientist". Now who is being arrogant here? What is in a name after all? What about the content in the article?
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written by mkosakabila , February 07, 2008
Alexander. Your sweeping statements continue to be a source of great concern. Including your single-event, one-shot judgements.
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(Circumlocutions edited. If you have something to say [instead of feeling you have to say something], just say it. Eds.)
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class act
written by Wuod Aketch , February 07, 2008
This is an important forum, very unique in its style and in its contributions. A class act and growing.


The only problem is that there are too many PNU in here who live in constant denial. Take for example the VDO shot in Kisumu where a policeman (Constable Edward Kirui - they finally put a name to the murderer's face) shot two youths in cold blood, they claimed that the VDO was fake.
The murderer is now being charged by the Kenya police for killing protesters. If Kirui is charged then all the policemen who were operating in Kisumu during the riots should be charged. The only problem I suppose, will be identifying the bullets extracted from the dead bodies to know who fired them. Again the armoury can know easily which bullets were dished to who - this does not need rocket science.
Police identified Kirui from video footage of a policeman firing his assault rifle at the two men, who had earlier been in a group of protesters that had thrown rocks in his direction.
After the officer fired, he then walked up to the men, kicking one of them down as he tried to stand up. The opposition and rights groups charged that it was an extreme example of police brutality employed to quell the protests.

Bonyeza hapa
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Quality, not flattery
written by aeichener , February 07, 2008

No? I thought flattery got me....everywhere. How silly!


I cannot say for sure where flattery is getting you (good girls go to heaven, bad girls go... everywhere). But I can underline my previously enounced discontent and disappointment with so many Kenyans buying their degrees abroad. It too much reminds me of Whispers' famous piece on "the mzungu car".

As to scholarship and its opposite, today's papers give us a good opportunity to compare. On one hand, you have an clueless interview with some wannabe expert from Harvard, a certain Robert Rotberg, in Newsweek, who only betrays his deep ignorance of things Kenyan: Click here

On the other hand, there is a brilliant, luminary, nervously balanced analysis of Barack Obama's Kenyan roots in today's Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, by its longtime former African correspondent Gnter Krabbe, going over 1/3 entire broadsheet page.

Something you would *never* ever read on this level in any US paper, and rarely in any British one (but frequently in the NZZ e.g.).

Alexander
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written by Mr. Vikii , February 07, 2008
Mantaray you got it all wrong. I did not insult anybody. I just pointed out Alexander's jibe on politicalscientist. It was never about me. Read all the unflattering stuff he said abt him.

Inferioriy complex? I will reserve my comments on that one.
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written by Nyabs , February 07, 2008
While I do have a tinge of sympathy for Mr. Edward Kirui for the situation he finds himself in, I at the same time note the steps in the right direction in holding him accountable for his actions. We should hold our leaders to this same standard.

That said, the net should be cast wider to bring into account those who planned and funded the killings and displacement of Kenyans from their homes. The madness we have seen in the Rift Valey and the very detailed analysis by Mbatia points out to a systematic, well planned strategy to make the Rift Valley monoethnic. For what reasons, only the mad people who plan these things can tell us.

We have to say no to this senseless blood letting and bring it to a stop. And the only way to do it to to expose the hypocrisy and doublespeak of men of our so called leaders in business suits, who, during the day, sit in mediation meetings speaking peace and at night get briefings on how well the killing machinery they are funding is doing

No, they have to be exposed and dragged before courts and if found guilty, sentenced appropriately.

In an earlier post, I also argued on the need to criminalize rites of passage that train the youth to kill. The reasons why the killings in Rift Valley have been so effective is largely due to the fact that we have, in effect, a huge army reserve in the name of young men who have undergone the circumcision and have been trained on how to effectively use bows and arrows. They are taught to fight and regard others as their enemies and we have all seen to what effective use they can be put to.

Even these warriors need to be charged in courts of law. Identifying them would, fortunately, not be difficult, because they have been more than willing to appear on national and international media brandishing weapons and spewing hatred.

The nation is at a turning point. If we do not say no to political leaders who use violence as a way of staying in power, then we will never be safe and innocent lives will continue to be lost, with sickening regularity, every five years. And today it might be people whose surnames are Nyambura, Nyakundi, Kioko but in 2012, it might be Otieno, Makokha and in 2017 in might be Wakesho, Jillo, Chengo.

We have to stop this madness and the only way to do it is to bring the real killers ( those guys in business leaders who pretend to be our leaders) to account.

And it does not matter whether they are in PNU or ODM or Chama cha Wauaji.
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written by politicalscientist , February 08, 2008
Mr Vikii...politicalscientist is a woman.

And the point is that it is arrogant to assume that everyone who studies overseas has a rich daddy who bought them a degree. Some of us have the misfortune of not having a daddy at all, and work close 20 hours a week to top up the difference between a scholarship and the full tuition fees. So if we are "buying our degrees" it is with the sweat from our brow and nothing else.

If aiechener agreed so wholeheartedly with the articles analysis would it not have been sufficient to praise the author without denigrating everyone else? Is that to assume that there is only room for one expert, one opinion, one perspective on KenyaImagine? If so let me know because I would not be too proud to step aside. For me it is symptomatic of a sickness in Kenyan society - where we are so insecure about our own abilities that we have to tear down everyone else just to make sure that we end up ahead. I have always believed that if I am to win a debate let it be because the things that I said made sense, and when I was challenged I could defend myself. To assume that one would immerse themselves in a debate that they knew little about because "daddy bought them a degree" is arrogant - assuming that perhaps the commentators degree is worth more than those obtained overseas.

Mr Waweru already knows first hand that when I don't know the answer I am always the first to say that I don't know. The idea of the blogsphere - and maybe it was naiive of me to assume that it would be the same here- is that we can all collectively pool our little knowledge to construct a treasure trove of information.

But like I said, maybe it was just that naiive optimism again.

(For the moment, we shall leave this exchange here as it is; not only per the desire of Daniel Waweru (are you the guy who always hogs the family TV to watch "Celebrity Death Match" with fascination?), but both as an expression of legitimate rebuttal (lively discourse and robust criticism is wished for, but must also expect robust countering), and because it could indeed offer the chance for an equally legitimate - and much desirable - critical discussion of the shortcomings of Kenyan education and the three different roles that foreign studies could play, should play, and actually do play for Kenyans and for the nation.
We expect that all discutants abide by this in going beyond a merely personal(ized) exchange, and by addressing more general concerns as well. Eds.)
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written by New Day , February 08, 2008
The article posted on this thread by Mr. Mbatia needs to be deleted or revised as it does not hold much water and that is why if you have checked by now, everyone in this thread is talking about totally different things from what the article seeks to address - William Ruto and the arithmetics of violence. Also editors, by urging contributors to avoid/limit excesses of personal attacks, have overlooked the very content of the post by Mbatia who has decided to dig into William Ruto's personal history, designed to show a man born into violence. Yet we know one thing by now; the violence that erupted RIGHT AFTER the election results were announced were spontaneous within the six provinces affected the most. RV just had to be one of them because they were simply determined to see Kibaki out of office, and they felt cheated. Was Ruto doing coordinated effort to spark violence in all these places including the coast?

We all must agree that we all have a role to play in building this economy and not just one Kimunya or the 'industrious' mount kenya community. Without access to the markets, our produce can not generate a profit. Without cooperation from other provinces, our merchandise can not get to the buyers overseas. Without harmony and good will, we only need to look at somalia, they who can not in their heads imagine what a nation looks like.
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written by Mutinda , February 08, 2008
Some people speak of "spontaneous" violence as if it is a good, natural, normal occurrence. Is violence the first thing that comes to mind every time you disagree with someone or every time an outcome of some kind does not favor you? Why didn't you kill someone when your failed your exams, or failed to get the girl you really wanted or failed to get a scholarship, or when your MP or cancellor was rigged out? What does resorting to violence over non-violent contests say about our level of civilization?

The violence witnessed in Kenya is not normal. It was organized and executed. Those responsible should be held to account. While I can understand the anger that led to the revenge attacks, the problem with revenge attacks is that they were as indiscriminate as the initial attacks.

Perhaps there is a lesson here for the government. When violence erupts, it should be quickly nibbed in the bud. The security forces should be dispatched immediately and should use all force necessary to quell the violence before it ascalates and generates revenge attacks.
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written by mark roberts , February 09, 2008
Its all about power, there is more than meets the eye , its not just politics its deeper.Ruto and his adversaries should be held responsible for their actions and stringent measures should be taken by the Directorate of intel to unearth all that is brewing or was brewing before the elections.
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written by Nyabs , February 09, 2008
The article posted on this thread by Mr. Mbatia needs to be deleted or revised as it does not hold much water and that is why if you have checked by now, everyone in this thread is talking about totally different things from what the article seeks to address - William Ruto and the arithmetics of violence. Also editors, by urging contributors to avoid/limit excesses of personal attacks, have overlooked the very content of the post by Mbatia who has decided to dig into William Ruto's personal history, designed to show a man born into violence. Yet we know one thing by now; the violence that erupted RIGHT AFTER the election results were announced were spontaneous within the six provinces affected the most. RV just had to be one of them because they were simply determined to see Kibaki out of office, and they felt cheated. Was Ruto doing coordinated effort to spark violence in all these places including the coast?


So New Day, if 3 million died and 5 million became refugees due to violence meted on them, that would be still be ok, as long as it was spontaneous? I simply can't believe that you would forward such an argument.

As Mutinda has eloquently pointed out, we do not "spontaneously" kill people who deny us what we think is rightfully ours. Otherwise, we would not have parents, friends, wives, neighbours etc. We would have killed all of them by now, because at one time or the other, they did deny us something we righfully believed was ours.

And a gang of 1000 warriors going to kill and burn properties does need some level of organization. Let us consider a few facts here. People within the gang need to eat, right? In order to eat, they have to be engaged in some economic activity, say farming. So if you leave your farm untended and engage in war, someone has to make sure that you have food to eat to provide you with energy to engage in the killing, raping and burning, very high calorie burning activies. That someone who pays you can arguably be called the organizer, because he must have money and be able to organize how to pay you. And payment for services you will be rendering must be agreed in advance. All these needs organization and co-ordination, so let us not continue with the argument that what happened in Rift Valley was apontaneous. The truly spontaneous reactions in Mombasa have since died down.

Secondly, any group of more than 3 people will need leadership. Leadership can be spontaneous or organized. It is difficult to convince me that say 1000 warriors or even 10 for that matter can efficiently and effectively cause the damage that we have seen without someone giving direction and leadership. Any group must have a raison d'etre, a vision and a mission, intangibles that can only be created by leadership. If these do not exist, then the spontaneity peters out after 5 maximum 10 days.

Coast, Nairobi, to some extend Kisumu, were spontaneous reactions. Rift Valley was not.

What I expect of Kibaki and Ali to do for me is investigate and bring to justice those that provided leadership and finances so that these horrendous killings and displacements can be carried out.

And as I have consistently stated, I don't care whether the organizers and funders are in PNU, ODM, ODM-K or other Kibaki friendly or unfriendly party. We have to bring this impunity to an end.
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written by New day , February 20, 2008

So New Day, if 3 million died and 5 million became refugees due to violence meted on them, that would be still be ok, as long as it was spontaneous? I simply can't believe that you would forward such an argument.


Please read my contribution again, as I have not given this judgement as you are claiming. My argument is focusing on the nature of the violence and not its warranty.


so let us not continue with the argument that what happened in Rift Valley was apontaneous. The truly spontaneous reactions in Mombasa have since died down.


Please explain what makes one spontaneous and not another. They both happened at the same time, as a result of one tragic event.


Any group must have a raison d'etre, a vision and a mission, intangibles that can only be created by leadership. If these do not exist, then the spontaneity peters out after 5 maximum 10 days.


These people were determined to hire ODM as the new government using legal constitutional means, so they cast their ballot. When their efforts were twisted by the incumbent, the feeling of hopelessness grasped at violence, aimed at those they perceived as closer to the heart of the president - kikuyus. I repeat here that by arguing this way i do not condone these acts, as killing and arson are crimes by the laws of the land. I do not know about the duration of energy when an act is deemed spontaneous, but for this kind of situation as in kenya, let us acknowledge that election malpractices at ECK seen to have denied someone a chance to be a president caused pain in some people's hearts, and with such internal energy, maybe they did not need leadership driven by human resources. Feel free to counter-act this thought.


Coast, Nairobi, to some extend Kisumu, were spontaneous reactions. Rift Valley was not.


where is evidence ?


What I expect of Kibaki and Ali to do for me is investigate and bring to justice those that provided leadership and finances so that these horrendous killings and displacements can be carried out.


I agree. Yet think about it this way; as we come to terms with the dark past we are living in times when the ethnic tension amongst ourselves is at its highest peak, in offices, markets, schools, universities and hospitals.
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written by New day , February 20, 2008

The violence witnessed in Kenya is not normal. It was organized and executed. Those responsible should be held to account. While I can understand the anger that led to the revenge attacks, the problem with revenge attacks is that they were as indiscriminate as the initial attacks.


Mutinda, You expose yourself in the above statement as a selective observer. I can clearly pick out the anger in both the initial attacks and the backlash, and I do not comprehend why you prefer to choose the one that best helps digest your bias. We both condemn the acts, so stop having unnecessary fears that by looking at both sides, those that you would like to favour may loose some ground.
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written by Kimutai Albert , May 12, 2008
Hi,

The information therein amounts to hate speech against Hon Ruto William and an insult to the intelligence of the Kalenjin community. This kind of hatred (am sure the writer is from Gema) is responsible for the debacle that erupts every five years in Kenya. It is calculated at demeaning and condeming an entire community.

Please do not use your prowess, access to internet services and ability to write to condemn people who cannot answer you and do not access internet services in remote places of Marakwet, Keiyo, Uasin Gishu, Mt Elgon, Kuresoi, Bomet, West Pokot etc.

Why can't you talk of the fact that the Kalenjins were forcefully moved out of their farms in Rift Valley. When Kenyatta took over power in 1963, he did not consider resettling the Kalenjins back to their farms. Instead, he took over Kikuyu land in Central and in order to appease them, he resettled them in land in Kalenjin Rift Valley that had been left by the colonialists either thro' the scheme that was introduced with funds from the British government.

It is wrong to suggest that the land the Kikuyus are occupying in the Rift Valley is theirs, especially with regard to settlement schemes. The only rightful owners are those who bought land thereafter but not those in settlement schemes. That land was fraudulently obtained, Which other community benefitted from the settlement schemes apart from the Kisiis and the Kikuyus? Tell me!!!!!
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re: why did Kibaki rig
written by Kimemia , May 12, 2008
If Kibaki was to win easily after garnering the GEMA vote, then why did he need to rig?

Stop cheating yourselves, Kenya belongs to the rest of us too who are not GEMA.

Ruto had to sit on that table, because as you say, he is the alpha and the omega of the violence in the RV.


What on earth do you mean by the rest of us? The above question is out of the the paranoia that puts members of certain tribes such as myself on edge every time this election fiasco is brought up.
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written by aeichener , May 12, 2008
Previously, trolls like Kimutai and his flatulent hate speech would not have been tolerated here in KenyaImagine, uhhh, New Mashada.

Alexander
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