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Ainamoi MP David Kimutai killed in Eldoret PDF Print E-mail
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Thursday, 31 January 2008

Latest reports on KTN television say the ODM's Ainamoi MP David Kimutai Too has been shot dead, allegedly by a traffic policeman in Eldoret. Details will be added on as we continue to receive them. [1408 EAT]

The MP who represents Ainamoi in Kericho district was shot dead at West Indies Estate in Eldoret. His body has been taken to Moi Teaching and Referral Hospital. 

 Meanwhile, the New York Times reports conflicting accounts on the death of Embakasi MP Melitus Mugabe Were.

A local newspaper reported that his wallet was stolen, implying a possible robbery, but his brother-in-law, Vincent Nyabeii, said that was not true. "Nothing was taken, nothing," he said. "This was an assassination."

Many supporters have said Mr. Were, a self-made businessman who was revered in the slum where he grew up, was killed by thugs employed by the government because he was a member of the opposition. If he was eliminated and a new election was held, his supporters said, his seat would probably go to a member of the government's party.

But it is not clear how solid an opposition member he was. He was a moderate by all accounts and was seen as a potential peacemaker. Members of Mr. Kibaki's party said Mr. Were was even considering defecting, which could have tipped the balance of power in Parliament, where the opposition has a slight edge. On Wednesday, one government official said that right before the killing, Mr. Were made an appointment to meet with the president and that he might have been slain by people in his own party who saw him as a traitor.

Several of Mr. Were's friends have said that he was disillusioned with his party's response to the disputed election, especially the calls for protests, which have resulted in many people being killed, including some shot by police officers. "He was not in thick of his party's politics," said George Kimani, a friend.

As for the possibility of defection, Mr. Kimani said, "Yes, he was considering it."

 

The East African Standard reports also, that as Kenyans across the country engage in peace-making initiatives, some MPs have refused to return to their constituencies and urge wananchi towards peace and conciliation. The newspaper reports that even as the country descends into mayhem, the MPs who are being urged to preach peace under the Amani Forum of Inter parties Parliamentary Group, have said they will only return home once there is a resolution to the crisis over the presidential election.

Despite having buried their political differences over the post-election violence, which has left more than 800 people dead, the MPs vowed not to step in their constituencies without a tangible message for their people.

The meeting was co-chaired by Mr Franklin Bett and Mr Mutava Musyimi.

'How do we go back to the constituency without a message to the electorate indicating that a resolution has been arrived at over the current crisis?' posed Matungu MP, Mr David Were.

He added: The electorate are eagerly waiting for a solution to the crisis that occurred following the discredited Presidential election vote. 'How does one go home and tell them to keep peace without offering a solution to the crisis?'

He said a proper message should be crafted based on the resolution over the crisis to be taken to the grassroots, and not empty talk.

South Mugirango MP, Mr Omingo Magara, said, 'I cannot tell my people issues regarding peace before the issue of the Presidency is resolved.'

Kipkelion MP, Mr Margaret Langat, said: 'Peace will come automatically when we deliver a message on the discredited Presidential election.'

The meeting lasted the whole day, but Bett emerged from there declaring that they had not reached a resolution.

There are widespread reports, some attributed to the Eldoret Police that a woman was shot alongside the MP, and that there was a dispute over a lover between the MP and the shooter. The BBC reports ODM Chairman Henry Kosgei saying the shooting took place at a roadblock on the highway between Nairobi and Eldoret. 

The hospital's confirms receipt of two bodies,

"We can authoritatively confirm that his body and another woman shot dead arrived in the hospital about an hour ago. They were shot maybe two hours ago," Tony Kilwa said.

 


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makosa yalifanyika
written by magothe , January 31, 2008
Love triangle.
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written by aeichener , January 31, 2008
As to David Kimutai:

I do not know the person, but abstractly spoken, this is a very, very good sign. If the police now start shooting politicans in earnest (instead of poor wananchi), then that means a positive change is really on the way.
I look forward to see the police now extend this beneficial peace-restoring activity to Nairobi (maybe Bunge, PNU headquarters and OPDM headquarters?).

I only hope the shooting was no accident.

UPDATE:
It was no accident, but the reasons seem banal. Maybe just the death of a philandering politician at the hands of an enraged cuckolded husband. Not so good. Why can't people share?

"Ainamoi Member of Parliament David Kimutai Too has been shot dead.
The Orange Democratic Movement MP was shot dead in Eldoret by a policeman today, in what local security officials said was a love triangle.
The policeman also shot a woman who was rushed to hospital.
Eldoret police boss Muinde Kioko said their reports showed that 'an officer had shot a civilian over a love triangle'."

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written by Nyabs , January 31, 2008
Very unfortunate. Whatever the circumstances of Kimutai's death are, I do hope that the police will not be caught flat footed on the riots that are likely to occur after this.

I do hope they have the capacity to put down any riots before they cause any further destruction and unecessary loss of lives.
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Very sad
written by shiroh , January 31, 2008
This is a very bad trend. I hope those MPs take peace more seriously than presidential election dispute. They are not safe either
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written by aeichener , January 31, 2008
I agree with Nyabs and Shiroh as to the specific individualized aspect of the case: nobody deserves to die for love relations (though Oscar Wilde may have empathized differently, cf. his "Ballad of Reading Gaol"smilies/wink.gif, and people should earn to share.

More generally, mortal violence with regard to domestic disputes and infidelity is not at all uncommon with Kenya Police and AP, alas. The newspapers report about it every month.

The absolutely inhumane living conditions of police officers' families, frequent uncaring transfers, and a gruelling and callousing job with an authoritarian structure of oppression worse than the working environment on most antebellum Southern US plantations, may all contribute to this sad penchant for violent resolution of love entanglements. :-(

Alexander
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unfortunate
written by korkie , January 31, 2008
i can wait to hear raila odinga tell the media, ''it was yet another assassination from our enemies!!''

(He already did so, reliably. Ed.
"The second killing of an MP belonging to Orange Democratic Movement is part of a plot to reduce our majority in parliament," ODM leader Raila Odinga told the AFP news agency.)
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written by Nori , January 31, 2008
At this point. None of us actually knows what led to the fatal shooting of the Ainamoi Mp. Let us be all calm as we await investigations.
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Cousin sister.
written by Farouk , January 31, 2008
Unconfirmed reports say locals in Eldoret have reliably confirmed that the woman shot together with the former MP for Ainamoi was his cousin sister and not lover as alleged by police reports.
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written by ciru , January 31, 2008
I think at this point speculations and hearsays will only lead to more bloodshed and mayhem. Perhaps ODM should refrain from giving press conference with inconclusive evidence every time someone is gunned down especially if they happen to be ODMers. Doing so is just going to create more violence. At this time some individuals are using the electoral mayhem to commit crime and we must be very careful on drawing the line .
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policeman\'s tribe
written by a guest , January 31, 2008
So, i suppose, being as tribalist as we are, the next question to be asked is what tribe the policeman is, and pray he does not happen to be from a rival tribe.

I bet this has already been factored into the statements being made about the shooting.
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When is use of force by author
written by a guest , January 31, 2008
Before i get into it, let me state for the record that I'm in no way implying that the killing of MP David Kimutai is justified, given that i have no idea the circunstances in which the shooting occurred.

The question i have is at what point will we say that enough is enough...it is time to enforce the law in Kenya, and any law breakers who unleash mayhem and violence need to meet with an opposite and greater force to make them realise that while they may outnumber the police and other authorities, they may not outnumber the bullets.

Shall we continue shouting excessive use of force when police, who are clearly outnumbered and overwhelmed, use a live bullet, them turn around and accuse them doing nothing when they stand by and watch, as looters loot and murderers murder and the country burns?

While pondering this question, please take into account:

1. General Kagame's opinion that maybe it's time the army took over.

2. The shoot to kill orders issues by the government on people found to be erecting illegal roadblocks, etc.

3. The Kisumu shooting that was caught on tape.....was that excessive use of force?

4. The fact that while the authorities have generally not being acting, hundreds of people have been murdered by gangs and hundred of thousands displaced, as well as whole towns destroyed.

5. Gangs have the audacity to taunt police, confront them when heavily armed and negotiate with them about the use of force, as witnessed in Nakuru.

6. The force that was used to quell the mungiki manece by the government before the last election

7. This interesting extract from the standard, which gives an insight into the reasoning of some of these maraulding gang members in Eldoret:

A group of army officers frog-marched and whipped youths while forcing them to remove illegal roadblocks in Eldoret.

The officers caught on camera, used sticks and gun butts to beat up youths, who had allegedly erected the roadblocks at Ngeria along the Eldoret-Nairobi highway.

An officer was seen kicking one of the youths as they frog-marched them from one roadblock to the next for about five kilometres.

The youths raised their hands in surrender but the officers continued whipping them and forcing them to walk on their knees.

The incident sparked outrage from locals who accused the army of using force to quell internal conflicts.

"The police and GSU do not treat us in this manner. They prevail upon us to open the road temporarily and we heed their pleas. The use of force by the army has angered us," said Mr Peter Toroitich.


Again, I ask, at what point do authorites say enough is enough, either drop your weapons and go back home or face the full force of the law, including live bullets.

When do we decide that the law is negotiable?

Was the shooting in kisumu that was caught on tape really excessive use of force, given that that same gang would have murdered a member of an opposing tribe on sight, and was, had been and probably would have continued to be a threat to the safety of law enforcement, given that at one point, he had probably been armed with rocks?

Was the decimation of mungiki prior to the elections, given the mayhem that they caused, reasonble?

When shall we say enough is enough?
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written by tyna , January 31, 2008
Now that mps are also having some maybe they will look for a solution.But hey,some equity.That guy who stands behind kibaki can deliver the first Pnu body.My pain is they are taking the young.Why not get rid of the colonial stock first.
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written by Alexander , January 31, 2008
The incident sparked outrage from locals who accused the army of using force to quell internal conflicts.

"The police and GSU do not treat us in this manner. They prevail upon us to open the road temporarily and we heed their pleas. The use of force by the army has angered us," said Mr Peter Toroitich.


What a remarkable attitude !

And of course the army was wrong here in their behaviour. They should have shot dead the entire marauding gang on sight. You are on an illegal roadblock - you die.

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written by a guest , January 31, 2008
the "temporarily" aspect is a bit comical.
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Np peace, no life
written by Ndorobo , January 31, 2008
"The police and GSU do not treat us in this manner. They prevail upon us to open the road temporarily and we heed their pleas. The use of force by the army has angered us," said Mr Peter Toroitich.


The police prevailed upon you while you are commiting a crime! WTF (sorry editor, but eloquence escapes me now).As if what you are doing is noble and just. Repeat that and think! NO dont think, because you cannot you idiot.

Starting from Kikuyu to Kisumu, the road should be cleared. Army or police, it does not matter. They are both paid by the taxpayer and right now legal nuances of when and why either the police or army should be used should be thrown out of the door.

Obeying the law is not optional, it is compulsory for everybody. And this humiliation by the jeshi itakuwa funzo kwake and other like minded cowards. We want our country back, and it needs to be wrested from the enemies within. We should start with the common thugs on the roads and in our villages and streets. We should then focus on the people who preached intolerance, the first ones to imply that 2 tribes cannot determine the presidency. The preachers of the 41 vs 1 strategy.
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written by Nyabs , January 31, 2008
I found the Standard story very amusing and the way they had slanted it, it was as if the army was doing something very wrong in forcing the youths to unblock the highway, with some "little persuasion".

Where the situation is at the moment, tough measures are needed. Anyone, and I mean anyone, found with an offensive weapon, should be shot on sight. And it should not matter whether they are attacking other communities or avenging an attack on their communities.

If this is enforced consistently and impartially, the message will pass through to what the media is referring to as "marauding youths" and they will be forced to consider their options and look for other means of expending their energies.

An alternative to that is a total descend into anarchy. The media has reported that institutions based in Kikuyu have been visited by huge mobs, demanding that workers from other communities leave. If we allow this to continue, how long will it be, before whichever militia takes over Nairobi, walks over to, say Safaricom and demands that members of enemy communities be handed over for killing?

We should not allow ourselves to sink to that level, and a shoot to kill order would be perfectly in order here. Short of that, I think the suggestion by Paul Kagame of Rwanda does sound very sensible.
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written by john , January 31, 2008
agreed stephen.
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written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , January 31, 2008
A police kills live on TV ----- we are told it was a fogery

Corpses in Kisumu which all bear bullet wounds------we are told it is exagerated

Were killed by people who have been trailing him for days and Mungiki claims responsibility------we are told it was criminal murder unrelated to the political situation and then we are fed with sewage that he was a PNU friendly and just about to join the cabinet

Kimutai is felled by a policeman.....we are told it is a crime of passion

Can anyone tell PNU and GEMA their cheap spin doesnt reach anyone pass their swaggering idiots
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Michuki
written by Chameleon , January 31, 2008
Love him or hate him I think Michuki was the right guy in the internal security docket. His arrogance, no nonsense attitude towards issues is the kind of tactic we need right now. It was a wrong decision to remove him from that department.
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necessitas legem non habet
written by Stephen Wanyama , January 31, 2008
The economy of Kenya, and the well-being, even the survival of the Kenyan people demands drastic steps now. I propose a military helicopter, a number of them, flying at random especially along the highway between Nairobi and Kisumu, Nairobi and Eldoret. Any one found standing by a roadblock should be properly shot dead, even twice. Police can play around with anyone else, those demonstrating, those shouting, lying on roads and so on but the situation in the Western part of the country demands urgent relief.
HIV-AIDs sufferers need their relief, children have no food, doctors cannot get to hospitals, neither can nurses, manufacturing concerns are unable to meet orders, are closing down, maize, milk, tea, the economy of the western part of the country is shutting down on account of a few brainwashed young men? Blow them away, at least that way their sisters and brothers will get some food, their mothers will be able to sustain themselves, their fathers will live to old age and their villages will know calm again.
The people are like children, they need a stiff hand to save the family, they need firm direction. Far far fewer lives will be lost in one or two days of clean-up, than if this mayhem is allowed to continue.
There must be a very strict regime against any animal bearing weapons, people should know have permits for carrying pangas and not in public, let them have paper-bags or something. The international newspapers now say that Kisumu has no Kikuyus, so why should police tolerate anyone there walking around with a panga, anatafuta kuni, nini? You see it is very nice and ignorant to talk about resistance, but how many people have lost their jobs in Kisumu, in the flower farms, in the tourism industry, how mch milk is being poured away, fruits, vegetables rotting, how many lives are being lost daily. In cities like Kisumu shops are being looted to this day, many of them now even Luo owned.
Can a mama mboga or a mama mitumba sustain her little family in Kibera? You see this now has absolutely nothing to do with politics or tribe, it is about saving lives. Why are these animals attacking women more than anyone else? Why are they raiding Luo women's shops, did those also vote for Kibaki?
Because people in Central Kenya have the least to feel aggrieved about, I propose they set the example. The government must bus them back all those Luos is 'rescued', and GEMA MPs can go home and tell people how the world is watching them, and how every Luo, Luhya and Kalenjin life is more precious than one of their own even. I am sure none of these people 'non-natives' is dangerous, outnumbered as they are. Then the police must institute a zero-tolerance approach on all weapon bearers.

Gloves off, across the board, all the wildlife in the morgues or in the game parks. There is only one Kenya, and every single one of us should have absolute freedom to all of it.
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written by tyna , January 31, 2008
Mps are supposedly not leaving Nairobi till a solution is found. What exactly are they doing there? And what was Too doing in Eldoret picking up his cousin sister constable? Thats the problem with waiting for them to get a solution.
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written by a guest , January 31, 2008
\n This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it '>A police kills live on TV ----- we are told it was a fogery

Corpses in Kisumu which all bear bullet wounds------we are told it is exagerated



So, jonny, is it your opinion that police in Kisumu should have just stood by and watched as the city was looted and people were killed?

Or should they have continues shooting in the air and playing cat and mouse games, committing scarce resources to this exercise, while the rest of the country descended into arnachy?

Perhaps you are still pushing the arguement that they were otherwise peaceful demonstrators who only turned violent when confronted by police.

How many more hundreds of thousands need to be displaced and how many need to be killed by gangs before we can decide that use of force is necessary.

I personally believe that when the numbers killed by police is smaller than the numbers killed by gangs, we are underutilizing our forces.
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re: necessitas legem non habet
written by Nyabs , January 31, 2008
The economy of Kenya, and the well-being, even the survival of the Kenyan people demands drastic steps now. I propose a military helicopter, a number of them, flying at random especially along the highway between Nairobi and Kisumu, Nairobi and Eldoret. Any one found standing by a roadblock should be properly shot dead, even twice. Police can play around with anyone else, those demonstrating, those shouting, lying on roads and so on but the situation in the Western part of the country demands urgent relief.

Stephen, you put it even better than I could have. Tough situations call for tough measures.

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re: necessitas legem non habet
written by wuod_aketch , January 31, 2008
You see it is very nice and ignorant to talk about resistance, but how many people have lost their jobs in Kisumu, in the flower farms, in the tourism industry, how mch milk is being poured away, fruits, vegetables rotting, how many lives are being lost daily.


Kibaki should have known better!
The positive point about this is that we are now going to ask ourselves the good questions on the way business will be run in the country. It is time to know who owns what. It is high time Kenya decentralized. Nairobi should no longer be the center of business.
Kisumu should turn west, south and North for business partnership. It should no longer pay taxes to the central government. The Rift valley and other regions should follow suite.
As for earnings and profits in the tourism industry, the multinationals have the lion's share. Kenyans just earn peanuts.
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US threatens to intervene
written by Bobby , January 31, 2008
Here is the link to a story, the Americans are threatening to impose a solution on Kenya. This is the link.
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Journalist seeking comment
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If you would like to speak with me, or if you have any suggestions on contacts within New York's Kenyan community, please feel free to email me: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

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DO NOT USE THE ARMY!
written by a guest , January 31, 2008
Tough situations call for tough measures eh...listen people, we need to do whatever we can to get a political situation to a political crisis otherwise we are just asking for trouble. Keep in mind that once you open the door to the military it is very hard to get them out - look at Nigeria, and most of West Africa for that matter. Yes it would be a quick fix and yes it would probably bring some semblance of order in the country. But it would be like smoking weed or taking cocaine - it would make you forget your problems but it wouldn't make them go away.
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Please clear the roads
written by Ndorobo , January 31, 2008
Anonymous requesting not to use the military. Tell me what ingenuity you would use to find the time to negotiate a "political solution" to club-wielding, panga-waving criminals. A bullet would make them listen - foreve! The IMMEDIATE solution to the LAWLESSNESS is a show of power and might, along the lines of Dick Cheney's "shock and awe" strategy.

Now, after the pangas and rungus have been kept away, lets talk about what was it again? "Political solution", with everyone understanding that we will be talking with our mouths.
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re: Please clear the roads
written by a guest , January 31, 2008
Anonymous requesting not to use the military. Tell me what ingenuity you would use to find the time to negotiate a "political solution" to club-wielding, panga-waving criminals. A bullet would make them listen - foreve! The IMMEDIATE solution to the LAWLESSNESS is a show of power and might, along the lines of Dick Cheney's "shock and awe" strategy.

Now, after the pangas and rungus have been kept away, lets talk about what was it again? "Political solution", with everyone understanding that we will be talking with our mouths.


Now that's what I'm talking about! Ndorobo for security minister!
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written by Victoria , January 31, 2008
jonny, why is a story considered to have a "spin" only when it doesnt support ODMs position and rhetoric- why can't you consider both sides or do you honestly believe everything ODM preaches is gospel truth? What about all the things that have come out of the ODM camp,I guess we should just believe those??? Starting with, the killings of Kyuks and Kissiis in RV, being in response to election fraud,not a means of ethnic cleansing, never mind all the evidence thats come out to the contrary. And the deaths of violent protesters by police are all due to use of excessive force. Not to mention, how Raila wants to be the president for 'all" kenyans especially for the "poor" man etc etc, Right? Yet he watches from the sidelines while they sacrifice themselves and others and get killed in violent protests-instead of telling them their lives are too valuable to lose because of political disputes. Get serious and open your mind up already! These are politicians we are talking about. they have their agendas to furhter. To every one of these stories there are two sides and only somewhere in the middle is the truth. Even if we are to assume Hon. Were's was a political assasination, question still remains- by who? Who really has the most to gain?
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Jonny, please
written by Stephen Wanyama , January 31, 2008
A policeman kills live on TV - we are told it was a forgery. Corpses in Kisumu which all bear bullet wounds------we are told it is exaggerated. Were killed by people who have been trailing him for days and Mungiki claims responsibility -we are told it was criminal murder unrelated to the political situation and then we are fed with sewage that he was a PNU friendly and just about to join the cabinet. Kimutai is felled by a policeman - we are told it is a crime of passion. Can anyone tell PNU and GEMA their cheap spin doesn't reach anyone pass their swaggering idiots.


A few questions, the explanation for the Kisumu deaths has been given. The police were overwhelmed and had run out of rubber bullets. In any case, apart from a few accidents, those were mostly looters and anarchists. You have seen what they did to Kisumu have you not? You obviously wanted the police to play marbles with them?

Corpses with wounds? What a surprise, these are the people who are saying No Raila,No peace. Terrorising their neighbours and burning their country down.

It must be said that there are a few things to that video that do not seem right, and the fact that the ODM was so eager to use it as a PR coup is the primary reason for the claims it was arranged. Whichever way you look at it, the incident was at the very worst an accident, and not shoot-to-kill.

We do not know yet who killed Were, or why Kimutai was killed. I do not at all buy the suggestion that the killing of Too was organised for political gain, why him? Is it not obvious that the first suspect will be the evil government? Why would it especially want to alienate the Luhya who it had a good chance of bringing under the tent, or at least splitting? Why Kimutai? This seat is going right back to ODM, what would the government have to gain, in the middle of negotiations? Hmmm? What would it have to gain? Are these not the same policemen who have been playing with the wananchi in Eldoret? I am sure they are also sympathetic to the call for a Kalenjin only Rift Valley, right?

P.S. You and allied Kenya-killers are not fighting the PNU now. You are fighting every Kenyan with property outside his village, you are fighting every Kenyan who is losing money to your campaign of destruction. Did you think No Raila, No Peace, No School was a good advertising jingle?
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written by Ndorobo , January 31, 2008
For those that are very quick to lay blame on the police, and I assume quite a number are in the west. I prescribe to you a small experiment, please do tell us the results. You might want to bring a number of like-minded people willing to run this experiment

Scenario: Rowdy Club/Setting
- Get a club (golf club if you want to appear civilized), find the nearest policeman and start shouting while menancingly brandishing the club, No XYZ, No peace.
- When the policeman asks you to retreat, raise your voice, repeat above step a few times.
- Come back to this blog and relay what happens (if you live to tell the story)

The point that I am trying to put across is that we are quick to castigate the police. We are not evaluating whether they acted within acceptable policing standards. As police spokesman Eric Kiraither once commented when asked about police brutality by Beatrice on NTV, I am paraphrasing here: " per most international policing standards, how the policemen responded was acceptable". This was before the elections. Why are we not looking at the situation that these policemen and women were faced with before yapping away about people who were shot and had bullet holes.

As I have consistently stated, the law applies to everyone. The last time I checked, armed robbery or attempted armed robbery has dire consequences per the Kenyan penal code. The armed people "requesting" that other leave behind their worldly belongings are armed robbers. The people manning illegal road blocks have arms and are stealing.
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re: Please clear the roads
written by a guest , January 31, 2008
Anonymous requesting not to use the military. Tell me what ingenuity you would use to find the time to negotiate a "political solution" to club-wielding, panga-waving criminals. A bullet would make them listen - foreve! The IMMEDIATE solution to the LAWLESSNESS is a show of power and might, along the lines of Dick Cheney's "shock and awe" strategy.

Now, after the pangas and rungus have been kept away, lets talk about what was it again? "Political solution", with everyone understanding that we will be talking with our mouths.


Listen mate, be careful what you wish for. You quote Dick Cheney and his shock and awe strategy...look how wonderfully that has worked out in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are still fighting the Taleban and insurgents in Iraq, and they are now also fighting the very people that they went to liberate. The taleban was one of the most oppresive systems of government in the world and Afghani people are BEGGING them to come back because of your hero, Dick Cheney. It pains you to hear this, because God forbid you should have to get out of your house, and out on the streets and talk to people but if we want people to put those pangas down WE are going to ahve to ask them, not the military. Nothing good comes easy, a true and lasting peace must be founded on mutual respect and understanding. And that can never be found on the other end of a gun, or a tank, or a machete or whatever.
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written by a guest , January 31, 2008
The goon who did this should be hanged by his balls.
The revenge by the Kikuyu can only worsen the situation and radicalize the other tribes.
Are Kibaki/Karua and the Mt Kenya mafia seeing these images? Even if peace comes back, It may take centuries before these people come back to live normally.


Mr. Aketch. I agree with you regarding the the healing process. The images are to say the least disturbing.

My question is, what is the connection between the revenge killings and the politicians you mentioned? Are you expliciting stating they are related. If so, where is the evidence? Or are you attempting some subliminal word association?

What name association do you have for the more than 250,000 internal refugees? Any names that come to mind as you decry their fate. If indeed you decry their fate.
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written by wuod_aketch , January 31, 2008

What name association do you have for the more than 250,000 internal refugees? Any names that come to mind as you decry their fate. If indeed you decry their fate.

I travelled the Molo/Nakuru road last August and we were stopped by goons manning road blocks the same way as now. So there was already tension that I witnessed personally. The first batch of refugees was a result of the rigging of the presidential election votes by Kibaki (the whole world knows this). Then there was revenge by the Kikuyus on the Luos, which is actually still going on. Now with the killings of the lawmakers, things are even getting worse.
I still believe strongly, that Kibaki and his Mafia have brought this country to auto destruction and to the edge of an economic abyss.

I found something on Kalonzo. He is one of those politicians that has let down the country. I do not think that Kalonzo the sycophant can be even of salvation to his constituency, one of the poorest.

He was caught boot licking here under the cameras, see the VDO at 3:27. Look at how Saitoti is gazing at him in disbelief!! :[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT7yxoPYwxkBonyeza hapa
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Fairness
written by Ndorobo , January 31, 2008
Woud, Woud, please. you say:
The first batch of refugees was a result of the rigging of the presidential election votes by Kibaki (the whole world knows this).

Please explain to me what malaise it is that afflicts Kenyans such that they willingly take a stroll with their belongings on their heads after some people claim that the numbers do not add up? (Hat tip to another contributor)Or were the refugees taking refuge in protest to the alleged rigging? Please do enlighten me.
Let our political leanings not cloud our judgement. We have criminals that claim to support both sides. We should not strive to defend any of these criminals.As for the personal stories, pole sana. This is the reason why I am saying, get rid of the criminals. Political differences should never be a licence for criminal activity. And we should not attempt intellectual obfuscation just because the criminals seem to support our political leanings.
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written by Jandege , January 31, 2008
A policeman kills live on TV - we are told it was a forgery. Corpses in Kisumu which all bear bullet wounds------we are told it is exaggerated. Were killed by people who have been trailing him for days and Mungiki claims responsibility -we are told it was criminal murder unrelated to the political situation and then we are fed with sewage that he was a PNU friendly and just about to join the cabinet. Kimutai is felled by a policeman - we are told it is a crime of passion. Can anyone tell PNU and GEMA their cheap spin doesn't reach anyone pass their swaggering idiots.

A few questions, the explanation for the Kisumu deaths has been given. The police were overwhelmed and had run out of rubber bullets. In any case, apart from a few accidents, those were mostly looters and anarchists. You have seen what they did to Kisumu have you not? You obviously wanted the police to play marbles with them?
Corpses with wounds? What a surprise, these are the people who are saying No Raila,No peace. Terrorising their neighbours and burning their country down.
It must be said that there are a few things to that video that do not seem right, and the fact that the ODM was so eager to use it as a PR coup is the primary reason for the claims it was arranged. Whichever way you look at it, the incident was at the very worst an accident, and not shoot-to-kill.
We do not know yet who killed Were, or why Kimutai was killed. I do not at all buy the suggestion that the killing of Too was organised for political gain, why him? Is it not obvious that the first suspect will be the evil government? Why would it especially want to alienate the Luhya who it had a good chance of bringing under the tent, or at least splitting? Why Kimutai? This seat is going right back to ODM, what would the government have to gain, in the middle of negotiations? Hmmm? What would it have to gain? Are these not the same policemen who have been playing with the wananchi in Eldoret? I am sure they are also sympathetic to the call for a Kalenjin only Rift Valley, right?
P.S. You and allied Kenya-killers are not fighting the PNU now. You are fighting every Kenyan with property outside his village, you are fighting every Kenyan who is losing money to your campaign of destruction. Did you think No Raila, No Peace, No School was a good advertising jingle?

Wanyama,
Are we talking about the same policemen who were negotiating with marauding gangs of Kikuyu tribesmen out to kill Luhyas, Kalenjins and Luos in Naivasha? Lets be honest with ourselves here, it seems the police have orders to kill in some places like Kisumu, Kakamega and Eldoret while playing marbles with attackers in Nakuru and Naivasha.
So it is alright for 'police' to kill people demonstrating against a stolen election while dispersing killers armed with crude weapons out to commit genocide?

Errr, steady old boy, let's not just toss words like genocide about.

Nowhere else in the civilized world can this happen and get people trying to justify this evil.
A quick note, today a certain group may have the power of the instruments of violence and abuse them. Tomorrow the guns may change hands to the opposing side and precedence has been set to be repeated tomorrow as history shows. Remember Hutu-Tutsi, Hitler and the Axis powers - Churchill/Roosevelt and the Allied powers. This is the timeless story of human race, life is cyclic.

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written by benadede , January 31, 2008
First let me start by saying that I hope the Ainamoi MPs death is really about a love triangle as the police say it is. Unfortunately, many irrational Kenyans will not be willing to believe this. I am sad and sick because so many lives have been lost, so much property destroyed and yet one month down the road we do not see an end to this misery.
The police seem to be overwhelmed but Ali insists they have things under control. The politicians are doing little to ensure a quick resolution to the situation. Perhaps the only politician who has done well so far is the much maligned Cyrus Jirongo for whom on two occasions (that I have read in the media) has gone out of his way to actually stop youth on their way to kill and destroy.
I am sick of Kenyans in cyberspace who continue to spew hate and the others who see things from only one angle - that of Kibaki's side or Raila's side. For me they have both failed and no longer deserve to lead the country.
I am scared because if our disciplined forces do not use all in their power to contain the murderous and looting youth we shall surely fall into the abyss in a matter of days. The longer they take to contain them the more these youth get emboldened. Apparently, these young men are too dehumanized for verbal appeals to them to work.
I am sick after watching a clip in which ODM and PNU/KANU/ODMK representatives were having drinks with Annan, Graca, Kibaki and Raila during a break yesterday as they seek to negotiate. I was revolted because they seemed cheerful, seemed to be cracking jokes, seemed to be in good health. I do not mean that they should not talk. On the contrary, I want them to talk and seriously. I would like them to forego lunch, dinner, drink and sleep to bring peace. Did they not spend one sleepless night to scrutinize the vote tallies the night before they were released? Did we not hear of Kibaki and Raila skipping lunch so they could beg for votes all day from Kenyans during the campaigns?
Can they bring out their helicopters and go and personally talk to their so called supporters blocking roads instead of releasing endless nonsensical press statements supposedly asking their supporters to stay calm?
Lastly, I am disgusted to hear anyone refer to Kibaki or Raila as honourable. That they are not.
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re: Who killed Kimutai?
written by a guest , January 31, 2008
The first batch of refugees was a result of the rigging of the presidential election votes by Kibaki (the whole world knows this). Then there was revenge by the Kikuyus on the Luos, which is actually still going on.


Woud,

One thing you have in common with Kibaki is your tendency to completely ignore facts that are staring you the face...in Kibaki's case, his speech in rift valley that people go back to their shambas as their homes are being burnt right behind him.

Woud, wake up and realise that the people you speak in support of have commited atrocities against Kibaki's tribe, to use your terminology. ( you have already more than realised that revenge attacks are just as astrocious so I'll not go there)

Wake up and accept that elections, stolen or not, will never be accepted by the world as justification for violence of this scale and horror; case in point, the ethnic cleansing label being used by foreigners to describe some of the violence. (I remember the disbelief with which is was first received when Martha Karua said it on HardTalk)

Wake up and realise that ODM's strategy to use the violence to hold the country at ransom while they make political demands is slowly crambling, as the extent and horror of the violence becoames apparent to the world. Case in point: the agreement by ODM that violence is the first and foremost issue on the table at the negotiations, after which comes the humanitarian crisis then a political solution third.

Woud, wake up and realise that many of those responsible for the violence ON BOTH SIDES will he eventually brought to justice.

Wake up and realise that neither ODM nor PNU will come out stronger at the end of this unfortunate episode in our history.

Woud, wake up, pinch yourself and wash your face.
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Africa home of homeless
written by wuod_aketch , January 31, 2008
Confilicts, conflicts everywhere in Africa. No country is spared.

A Sudanese-backed Chadian rebel column has just advanced deep into Chad towards the capital N'Djamena in the west.

There are 420k refugees there. Now with the Kenyan number of 250k, plus another 400k also driven from their homes by Nkunda's rebels and Mai Mai militia in the Kivu (East) of the Democratic republic of Congo, one can say that many Africans are homeless.

Why so?
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written by Wuod Aketch , January 31, 2008

Woud, wake up and realise that many of those responsible for the violence ON BOTH SIDES will he eventually brought to justice.


Do you know how many political assassinations have taken place in Kenya and have never been solved? Answer this then that you will realize that your "eventually" in Kenya means "never". Who is going to prosecute the two, Kalonzo? Noooo, see how sycophantic he is in the VDO link I gave above.

Do you know how many big corruption scandals have gone on in Kenya and the culprits never been brought to book? Do you think that new/old ministers like Saitoti and Karua, will prosecute? This is why Kenyans wanted to do away with these people but the gangren have managed to sneak back.
Go and talk to someone else and not me about justice in Kenya.

How dare you speak about justice when police (the arm of the law) treat Kenyans differently according to their tribe or town?
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written by a guest , January 31, 2008
Well Woud, I'll admit, you have a point. As much as we'd like to see justice applied in all cases, sometimes the long arm of the law does not stretch long enough to get all. I do hope that justice in applied more evenly hence forth.

Your point that the police have been much tougher with residents of kisumu than anywhere else, including the rift, where I think violence was more widespread and atrocities more horrific (burning of church and the Naivasha house) is also noted and acknowledged.
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written by benadede , January 31, 2008
If you read the story on Too's killing you wonder where the truth lies! There is no doubt that one of them or both of them have a hidden agenda.
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Cousin sister or lovers?
written by kobangoshe , February 01, 2008
Unconfirmed reports say locals in Eldoret have reliably confirmed that the woman shot together with the former MP for Ainamoi was his cousin sister and not lover as alleged by police reports.

The standard came up with the cousin theory, then it was a neighbour theory and it just didn't add up. The policewoman's brother says the killer policeman was his sister's friend. Her neighbours also seem to know him as a frequent visitor.
The Nation has the police love triangle theory, which somewhat sounds credible. Whatever the case, it is sad to have to lose another MP so soon after Were's shooting.
However, ODM's Anyang' Nyong'o should honestly show respect to the dead MP and the policewoman. How did he quickly conclude the shooting was political? He now needs psychiatric evaluation given the kind of things he is doing and saying these days.
To the killer policeman, may I suggest that we men and women should also agree to share ......... just as we are told of power sharing ....... as one option foreign countries and ODM recommend.
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written by Raphael Musau , February 01, 2008
Were and Too are both new MPs who are neither radical nor hard-liners. Remember the speakers election and ODM assertion that the government has bribed a few of theirs to vote with the government? I would suspect they may be among that group and of course we all know what happened. Do not take Mafia money and fail to deliver and we all know who the Mafia in this country are.
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written by manta ray , February 01, 2008
The incident sparked outrage from locals who accused the army of using force to quell internal conflicts.
"The police and GSU do not treat us in this manner. They prevail upon us to open the road temporarily and we heed their pleas. The use of force by the army has angered us," said Mr Peter Toroitich.

What a remarkable attitude! And of course the army was wrong here in their behaviour. They should have shot dead the entire marauding gang on sight. You are on an illegal roadblock - you die.
Alexander

Exactly, Alexander.
These mindless dolts think that they have an inalienable right to erect illegal roadblocks, and that armed authorities have no call to stop them. The idiot even has the arrogance to claim that the Army's actions angered him! Was he not already angry when he was erecting the roadblock in the first place? Now that the Army has thwarted his puny effort at machismo, what is he going to do about it? Get angrier? To what effect, if any?
The Army should now unleash its far more considerable fire-power on these thugs who obviously have no clue whatsoever the kind of cat they are playing with. Sooner or later, they will pull its tail.
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Michuki or Saitoti
written by manta ray , February 01, 2008
Love him or hate him I think Michuki was the right guy in the internal security docket. His arrogance, no nonsense attitude towards issues is the kind of tactic we need right now. It was a wrong decision to remove him from that department.

Actually, i think Saitoti brings a better, more educated and focused mind to bear in managing the situation. He also has one very important attribute; he listens to the professionals under him, unlike Michuki. Look at his tenure at Education as an example of his ability to consult.
The decision to gradually involve the military in an intelligent and effective use of their unique capabilities is already bearing results, including making those thugs walk on their knees for 5kms, and that is only for starters. Putting ice cold fear in these thugs is the next step, just wait and see. This violence will brought under control quite soon.
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written by Alexander , February 01, 2008
As little as I like Saitoti as a person or as a politician (an unsavoury character, and deeply corrupt), I feel compelled to agree with Manta Ray.
Michuki was successful in the transport docket, but was out of his wit and ability in Internal Security, where brutality can at most be a (subsidiary!) tool, but never a goal. He might make for a good sub-chief (good in the colonial sense) around 1950 though.

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A policeman kills live on TV - we are told it was a forgery. Corpses in Kisumu which all bear bullet wounds - we are told it is exaggerated


Nobody was killed by the demonstrators in Kisumu. It is the policemen and UPDF that killed the innocent Kenyans.
Bold statement, feel free to back it up, Eds.

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written by mkosakabila , February 02, 2008
As little as I like Saitoti as a person or as a politician (an unsavoury character, and deeply corrupt), I feel compelled to agree with Manta Ray.


Saitoti? Petty thief, steals the election too. The old fart. He has no monopoly over the ability to dialogue and manage. Get someone else. Now.
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re: Who killed Kimutai?
written by politicalscientist , February 02, 2008
The goon who did this should be hanged by his balls.
The revenge by the Kikuyu can only worsen the situation and radicalize the other tribes.
Are Kibaki/Karua and the Mt Kenya mafia seeing these images? Even if peace comes back, It may take centuries before these people come back to live normally.

Kenya - 31 Jan - USA CNN News - Ethnic Cleansing:
CNN's Zain Verjee is doing a good job bringing us terrible but important images from the beautiful Rift, for everyone to see what the situation is. How did she learn swahili so fast to be able to interview that 76 year old lady?


Zain Verjee is Kenyan.
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Who killed Kimutai?
written by wuod_aketch , February 02, 2008
The goon who did this should be hanged by his balls.
The revenge by the Kikuyu can only worsen the situation and radicalize the other tribes.
Are Kibaki/Karua and the Mt Kenya mafia seeing these images? Even if peace comes back, It may take centuries before these people come back to live normally.

Kenya - 31 Jan - USA CNN News - Ethnic Cleansing:
bringing us terrible but important images from the beautiful Rift, for everyone to see what the situation is. How did she learn swahili so fast to be able to interview that 76 year old lady?
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True leadership.....
written by ahappyspark , February 04, 2008
Is I watched the poor, Kibera, Kisumu riot and protest elections, I agree with them, it was dishonest and no one should put up with it. However, if you are the leader of the masses, the poor, the day laborer, join the peaceful march that you call for, be in the front lines and give the people a reason to believe in you. Take a lesson from Martin Luther King in the US, he did not tell the black people riot, it was peaceful demonstranions of which he was part, front line, even while subject to FBI humuliation and fabrication of lies tearing at the very core of his personal life. But he led the march, he did not go to work and earn his keep while the poor were getting shot at on their own...if Raila Odinga led the people during the peaceful march, the cops would not have fired on the people for fear of the masses. I think its disprectful of him towards the communities that voted for him. They are the ones suffering and I see no help coming from. He only makes appearances before the press.
Kibaki on the other hand, show some leadership, help protect these masses that have been displaced! Clamp down and say something what is not scripted, do you really really understand their suffering?

Fellow Kenyans, as you can see, these guys dont have our interest at heart. Lets start a grass roots movement, take care of the lesser among you, start with your employees, house help, drivers, etc. Let us show them we care.
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