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Written by Daniel Waweru   
Thursday, 17 January 2008

In reading Nanjala Nyabola's article of yesterday, I have found myself appalled at the myths that pass for truth in Kenyan discourse, and especially that such myths proceed to become the basis upon which political decisions and alliances are made. Take for example the account on President Jomo Kenyatta and the opening of the New Nyanza Hospital in Kisumu. It is true that Kenyatta's bodyguards opened fire on crowds, but this was only after the crowd at the rally heckled and threw stones at him. The security forces certainly overreacted, but it is inappropriate and misleading to suggest that the victims were shot because they were Luo; the violence broke out because hotheads at the rally attacked first, because the bodyguard had reason to believe that its employer was in danger. This has clear implications for this year's riots as well, especially with politicians claiming that the police are aiming to kill members of certain tribes.

The evidence - you might like to begin by checking out this link here - that Odinga was fomenting a rebellion against the state in those early years of independent Kenya, is decisive. In 1964, he accepted Soviet money to set up the Lumumba Institute - a Communist training school. In 1965, he imported Soviet weapons and military technicians.  Some KANU party members trained at the Institute attempted to take over the party in July 1965. President Kenyatta, quite rightly, considered Odinga's actions treasonable and a threat to national security. It is also true, however tense the Cold War world was, that Kenyatta met the threat with unnecessary and counter-productive brutality the effects of which have perhaps trickled down to this day. 

Nanjala also writes on the Rift Valley clashes. According to the Kennedy Kiliku report of September 1992, refer here , 778 people died in the 1992 clashes. Those killings took place over a much longer period of time. The post-election violence this time has, especially in the Rift Valley, been better-organised and far more vicious than it was in 1992. This is why far more people have been displaced this time round (c. 250, 000 as opposed to c. 70, 000 in 1992). Even the later Akiwumi Report,  July 1998 listed those killed in ethnic clashes between 1991 and 1994 at 800 with 130,000 displaced.


 refugees fleeing Kenya

Another pointer of the extremity of the violence this time is the fact that the refugees are so many and so terrified that many have fled outside our borders, into Uganda and Tanzania. Few refugees fled to Uganda in 1992; now, there are already c. 30, 000 there. Further, the specific 2007 atrocities have been significantly more brazen and cruel: there was no equivalent of the Eldoret church burning in 1992. 2007's death toll will eventually be significantly higher than that of 1992: there are already c. 600 confirmed deaths, but the violence and displacement is continuing, and bodies continue to be discovered in places far from the beaten track. The heightened viciousness and effectiveness of the 2007 violence is not an artefact of the intensification of media attention.

In Nanjala's article, lies the claim that Mungiki is the most dangerous armed group now operating in Kenya. Minister John Michuki's tenure in government has seen Mungiki close to wiped out as a serious instrument of violence. This started during his time at the Ministry of Transport where his reorganisation of the matatu business deprived the group of its main source of income. He continued this campaign in his time at the Ministry of Internal Security where his extraordinarily brutal anti-Mungiki campaign of 2006-7 severely depleted its numbers. This is precisely why Mungiki's leaders changed tack and sought political office on their own account: see Ndura Waruinge running for parliament in Lang'ata.

These facts, the destruction of Mungiki, probably explain why the violent reprisals against the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of Kikuyu (and other tribes) in RVP and Nairobi have been both ineffective, and easily put down (e.g. those in Langas, Burnt Forest, and Dandora). The groups attempting these reprisals have none of the organisation, unity or ruthlessness of the old Mungiki. This factor also explains the paucity of violence (especially anti-Luo violence) in Central Kenya which has on the whole been an oasis of tranquillity; see, for example, this week's Economist. When the violence began, I feared that there would be reprisals against Luos in Central Kenya and so organised an evacuation for some Luo friends. None of them suffered any assault or injury, many have been able to return, and one of them, who owns rather prominent business premises, was surprised to find them entirely intact.

 

In view of the openly anti-Kikuyu, anti-Kamba and anti-Kisii nature of the violence (a fact that even the international media has managed to spot); in view of the fact that most of the recorded deaths have occurred in RVP and Nairobi, and the fewest in Central; in view of the efficiency of the Rift Valley militias; and in view of the Reuters report that Mungiki was having to be mobilised (which implies that they were having to recruit and build strength, and therefore implies that they are, at best, under-strength and unprepared) there is no serious case for the claim that Mungiki is now the most dangerous armed group in Kenya. A dangerous militant group would not need to be roused to a fulfilment of its raison d'être.

Much of the violence in Nairobi has been Luo targeting Kikuyu and members of other tribes supposed to have voted PNU. This is especially evident in Kibera where there has been a deliberate and concerted attempt by Luo residents to remove Kikuyu and Kamba altogether. In the early days, the aim of some of the violence seems to have been to confine Kikuyu, Kamba, and other 'PNU tribes' to small, demarcated and easily-monitored areas, but the more recent attacks seem designed completely to remove them from the slum. This explains the predominance of Kikuyus and Kambas at the Jamhuri Park camp. Assuming the Red Cross definition of ethnic cleansing - forcibly displacing or exterminating an ethnic population from a particular area in order to assert the identity and power of another ethnic group - is roughly correct, recent events in Kibera can be accurately described as ethnic cleansing .

In the Rift Valley Province, the picture is much clearer. The militias now in operation have explicitly admitted that their orders are to expel from the Rift Valley all Kikuyu, Kisii, Kamba, and other groups supposed to have voted against the ODM, see murder of 40 Kisii teapickers at Unilever's Kaptein Tea Estate, and anguished letter from Baraton . This seems to be the resounding report from the province, whether from the assailant gangs, the victims or the neighbours of the victims. In view of the fact that more than 250, 000 people have been displaced, more than half of them Kikuyu (and most of the rest Kisii and Kamba); and in view of the definition given earlier, it is impossible to escape the conclusion that ethnic cleansing is in progress. 

All that aside, I share her fear of the irrationality of ethnic conflict. But the characterisation of present violence as ethnic is substantially correct. Those committing the violence have openly admitted that the violence is motivated by ethnic considerations and that their victims have been selected on ethnic grounds.

I remember seeing an interview with one of the Nairobi protesters on Citizen Television. He began by expressing his anger with the government's failings but, as he continued, the code words slipped away: he claimed the youth were unemployed because all managers were Kikuyu and wouldn't employ non-Kikuyu. Since Kibaki was a president for the Kikuyu, it was time to completely remove him and them - by violence if necessary. That little cameo accurately summarizes what's happened in Kenya since 2005. 


Daniel Waweru
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Unfrotunate you hold that opin
written by chiefouko , January 17, 2008
Amir Ibrahim.

Its unfortunate to see you hold that opinion even after its been clearly said to be a peaceful rally.

That force was not needed especially to a protester only making monkey faces to a cop.

To imagine as long as Kenyaimagine is operational the above comment will be associated with your handle.. very sad.
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Ouko
written by Amir Ibrahim , January 17, 2008
This is not a handle, this is a real name of someone whose family is cowering in fear, and have lost a great deal of income on account of this monkeying around? We are tired Ouko, can you tell Raila that? We are sick and tired? The majority of the Kenyan people hate him, he is ruining everything we treasure, are you listening? So we must just give it all up, sacrifice it all for what? For the man who has spent all his life plotting violence? Did you see the way they won the Speaker vote, by intimidating MPs and checking their votes? Do you realise that he is trying now to intimidate the country into accepting his demands? I suppose those demands are also yours? He is getting his paycheck, why can he not let other people go to work?
Is this impossible to understand? The damage we are doing now cannot be undone later! The price is just not worth it? What sort of idiot lays his life on the line for a bunch of goons like the ODM has?
What is he protesting about? Is Kibaki such a shetani that everything must come to a halt, that we must destroy our country to get him out of State House? What are people in Kisumu eating? You do not think that these protests are irresponsible?

There is a BAN on these rallies!! It is a three letter word, what part of it are we not understanding? The country is in its death throes, he thought this was funny? I am not apologising for police brutality I am a Muslim so I know it first hand, but I am livid that there are people out there who think that this is a laughing matter, a matter for making funny faces about. How can anyone even let their child out of the house?

Like I said above, the police are extremely tense, extremely tired and entirely on edge. Do you realise the amount of restraint you are asking of them? That they let the crowds do as they please? Three days of mayhem and more jobs lost? Just so Raila can be President?

What peaceful protest?

Anon,
What did Kibaki start? By all accounts the rigging in Central Province started after the Nyanza and RVP rigging had been polished off. Is it really possible that we can appreciate the damage the ODM reaction is wrecking on our country? Are there really Kenyans so stupid as to think that this violence is hurting Kibaki?
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written by Chiefouko , January 17, 2008
Amir Ibrahim.

You make alot of sense now... Enjoy!!
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Amir: You are misguided!
written by Isindu Mwangaza , January 17, 2008
This is not a handle, this is a real name of someone whose family is cowering in fear, and have lost a great deal of income on account of this monkeying around? We are tired Ouko, can you tell Raila that? We are sick and tired? The majority of the Kenyan people hate him, he is ruining everything we treasure, are you listening? So we must just give it all up, sacrifice it all for what? For the man who has spent all his life plotting violence?


Direct your anger squarely at Statehouse! Kibaki's actions are the genesis of all this. His actions led to anger and the rest is unrest as we know it. Waweru's family is not the only one living in fear, in fact, his detail is a tip of the iceberg so don't preach to us about Raila this or that! The Genesis of all this is Kibaki's civil coup and people will indeed suffer and continue to do so as long as the situation remains the same. The tragedy of it all is that our generation has lost it's innocence and the will be a steep price to pay for that.
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Pre-planned Ethnic Cleansing
written by Alex Munyaka , January 17, 2008
Most of my life i have lived in the Rift Valley especially my childhood in Molo and my youthful years in Eldoret.The information that is coming out of these areas is that during the campaign period especially in Eldoret and its environs, the ODM incited members about how the Kikuyu's controlled their economies and people needed to do away with them as a people until they confined themselves upto around Nakuru, so that the People of Mwisho wa lami should be able to control the kikuyu resources, that is why the ODM slogan was Kazi Ianze.
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written by Amir Ibrahim , January 17, 2008
In response to the protest against the video from Kisumu

(We very rarely intersperse with textual comments - different from editing and deleting measures - but this is a case where I deem it licit:
Please make clear to which version of the video clip you refer. Many posters have - maybe in good faith - relied upon a purposefully distorted and disingenuously cut version of the video, which does not show the real sequence of events, *before* the policeman running and shooting, a sequence that allows to see the action of the police in a very different light. Ed.)

We all know that the Kenya Police are a brutal organisation. Do we not remember the murder of 500 Mungiki by the police in the summer, or were they Kikuyu and therefore unworthy of the protection offered by the constitution?
Now I would like to think that the government should just declare martial law, but that would bring business to a standstill- God knows we are hurting already- and will get us bad press internationally. I cannot believe that there are Kenyans who are suffering so much under Kibaki (whether he stole the elections or not) that they would like to see this situation continue one day longer. In Kisumu now people are stealing from each other coming back from the shop, the looting is now on the few remaining Luo and Luhya shopkeepers, the supplies are drying up too, especially with roadblocks clogging up the RVP and transporters fearing for the safety of their drivers and trucks.

Let me make it clear that I do not condone violence, but why is anyone out of their house making faces at the police in a time such as this. Stay in your house, if you are outside mocking the police in these most tense and distressing times, then trust me you are asking for whatever comes at you. The KPS in Kisumu is over-stretched, angry and tired. These men and women have been on duty since Dec 25th or thereabouts, you think they are having fun? How many consecutive 24 hour shifts can you pull? Are they getting enough food? The government is under pressure from business especially in Kisumu. Like Muluka and others have said, what happened in Kisumu is beyond forgiveable, such madness as brought that youth out of his house has destroyed completely the third largest city in our country and the businessmen there are still charging that the government is not doing enough to protect the town. Do you realise that the GoK allowed these goons like three whole days before they intervened? What more restraint can we ask for? These marches have been outlawed for heaven's sake? Don't these people get it? Do they want to be on relief food for the next forty years? Who on earth will be mad enough to put money into such a city, a city where people destroy their source of livelihood? Is Nyanza the poorest province, well it is just about to get far far worse, eternally.

There is clearly no shoot-to-kill order. God, these ODM illiterates and their English!! How many people were killed yesterday? Shoot-to-kill? Oh, and then there's the genocide against Luos by government troops, eh?

Is there any room in Kenya for anyone who is not a nihilist?
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Justice now!
written by Koitalel , January 17, 2008
You may give the fight all the definitions you may want to give, that it is tribal, genocide, ethnic cleansing, but the quest for justice-whatever it is remains. Your ilk conveniently forget that it is not Raila fighting..... it is the people who are furious that there rights can be taken from them at will, and that they can be raped and robbed at broad daylight. This is one fight our people will never give in, no matter what and how long it takes. I watched my mum, brothers and sisters get up so early to go and vote, and it horrifies me to see their dreams of electoral victory accompanied by hopes brutally snatched from them. ALUTA CONTINUA.
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written by mandole , January 17, 2008
(Superfluous ad personam insult deleted. Ed.)

Justice and fairness in our affairs is a large part of what is going on. How someone can wake up and BAN a right ENSHRINED in the constitution beats any measure of thought. It is KENYANS constitutional right to demonstrate and it is the duty of the police to provide security to allow such demonstrations to take place. To turn the Police against the public, especially unarmed civilians is dehumanizing and a crime against humanity.

Kibaki rigged this election to get the 25% in all provinces. I have FIRST HAND EYE WITNESS evidence to this effect. This is why a re-run under an independent electoral body will not be allowed. Despite the earlier rig it was not enough and that's why he did a final absolutely childish rig and forced the ECK to announce him as winner. (...)

The blame for all the deaths, for Amir's frustrations and for the destruction lie squarely at Kibaki's feet. He made this move WELL AWARE OF THE CONSEQUENCES, he wants power at ALL COSTS. NATIONAL STABILITY IS SMALL CHANGE TO HIM, HE DOES NOT CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU AMIR, otherwise he would not have made such childish moves.

About Raila, what has he done? He is brave or foolhardy whichever way you want to look to him. He will not go quietly into the punishment room as expected because he has really done no wrong. He won the election,

(You about speak this as about a corroborated fact. Here in KI we distinguish between facts and opinion. If you have the Secret True Tally at your disposition, please publish it here, at all means. Otherwise limit yourself to the - certainly tenable - assumption that he might likely have won the election. Ed.)

he desires to have a country that is truly free, where there is fairness and justice, where Amir's child will progress, not based on who he knows, which tribe he is or which part of the country he comes from, but simply on the basis of what he has and what he brings to the table as a person.

The violence is unfortunate and is only because the police have outlawed the rallies. See what happened when a right thinking police officer called Munene decided to uphold the law and allow peaceful demonstrations... the demonstrators even censored those who wanted to run riot!! That is the way it should be.

Impunity, lack of sensitivity to the citizenry and stealing of something as sacred as a national vote is not the kind of society we hope to build in Kenya. Those who wish to live under such circumstances need but just cross the border into Uganda. It is deceptively peaceful there, but altogether frustrating to live in that beautiful country. Kenya MUST NEEDS BE have a higher bar when it comes to respect of social contracts between the governors and the governed.

People died in the fight for independence, they died in the oppressive Kenyatta and Moi years, not because they wanted to ... nobody wants to die and especially so young, but they SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES to allow you to have the freedoms you take for granted every day. They are our heroes and heroines, sung and unsung.

The question of violence against the Kikuyu diaspora is an unfortunate event. No right thinking Kenyan can support that in any way. It cannot be said to be premeditated. In my part of the country (Western) anger was directed primrily against their businesses and houses, but not their persons. There are reasons the man in the street will give for their actions, some of which are true, but it is not worthwhile to go into them for now.

My final 3 cents worth on this? Kibaki and his cabal have brought the country to the edge. Blame lies squarely on their shoulders. Kenyans have a right to agitate for their demands. Raila is more sinned against than the sinner we are being told he is. No amount of words, sophistry or whitewashing will alter these basic facts.

Adieu
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long live Kyks
written by Masiva paul , January 17, 2008
We fought the colonialists dint we?....... incase of memory lapse how many of your fore fathers went to bush with MAU MAU.
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re: Justice now!
written by manta ray , January 17, 2008
You may give the fight all the definitions you may want to give, that it is tribal, genocide, ethnic cleansing, but the quest for justice-whatever it is remains. Your ilk conveniently forget that it is not Raila fighting..... it is the people who are furious that there rights can be taken from them at will, and that they can be raped and robbed at broad daylight. This is one fight our people will never give in, no matter what and how long it takes. I watched my mum, brothers and sisters get up so early to go and vote, and it horrifies me to see their dreams of electoral victory accompanied by hopes brutally snatched from them. ALUTA CONTINUA.



A crowd of thirty to fifty frothing,screaming thugs ARE NOT the people. They are just that, thirty to fifty thugs with nothing better to do except scream at the police.

And what is their purpose? Justice? Justice for whom? Where is the principle? If ODM elites were PRINCIPLED and JUSTICE is what they want, why did those ODM MPs attend Parliament on Tuesday? Why did they not just boycott it? That would have been a FAR MORE effective tool for exerting pressure on Kibaki than running around in the streets like frightened rats. Apparently, guaranteeing the 1 million shilling paycheck at the end of the month is more important than putting pressure on Kibaki.
Quite clearly, these ODM "luminaries" would not like to upset the apple cart, lest they also lose what they have fought so hard to achieve, an expensive meal ticket for the next five years. Meanwhile, it makes sense to keep up the pretense by going through the motions of protesting.
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Indoors or get shot, just that
written by Maumau , January 17, 2008
Concurr Amir....

I on the other hand find ODM's claim of genocide against the Luos by the government forces....very interesting.

Raila cannot run away from the fact that he has been caught with his pants down.. I mean.. did he really think he would have Kyukes, Kaos and Kisiis killed unnoticed?

How else do you expect police to respond to armed militias? Negotiate with drugged youth?

Police are there to maintain law and order and if you run foul to that then expect the bullets. Easy as that.

So that stupid youth in Kisumu got what was coming to him. And as Amir has said...Kisumu will expereince a slow but steady death.....let Luos trade amongst themselves...Kisumu for Luos.. fine and well.. as if the Gema will care.. they will jus take their bizna elsewhere.....

Myopia galore....
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re: Soberness now!
written by aeichener , January 17, 2008
A crowd of thirty to fifty frothing, screaming thugs ARE NOT the people. They are just that, thirty to fifty thugs with nothing better to do except scream at the police.


Well, nobody should be shot just for screaming (or insulting). But then, I trust you are not intending to say that, are you?

What is important, is that an angry, mindless, drugged mob, wielding crowbars and pangas, throwing stones at police, is a formidable and dangerous adversary, and not a bucolic assembly of churchladies staging a peaceful sit-in on the road.

Grace Kaindi, the Kisumu police commander, has now given her version of the violent events of 29th December (and that was BEFORE the election result was out, mind you !!). She states (or if we want to keep narrative distance, she alleges) that the small contingent of available police was badly outnumbered by a big crowd of violent attackers and that she then, when another means was not available (aparently no water cannons at hand, unlike in well-equipped Nairobi), she ordered the use of deadly force, meaning a volley of rifle-fire, against the attackers.

This may have been a tenable or a wrong decision of the female police commander; but all the Internet armchair liberation heroes frothing behind their keyboards should consider themselves glad that they have never been in such a dire situation, especially in view of the fact that rifle fire from a G-3 or an AK-47 has a maximal range of endangerment of 4000 metres (7,62x51) to 2500 metres (7,62x39).

Lastly, if you wander among an angry crowd that is attacking police, while yourself are only carrying your little child and a leaf of bread and a bottle of milk - instead of keeping out -, you are obviously endangering yourself irresponsibly. Inanimate bullets cannot think; they hit whatever is in their way, even after having penetrated several objects before.

Alexander
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written by a guest , January 17, 2008
Daniel Waweru,
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Why don't you remind the Gema elites that their theft and short term greed has destroyed the ethnic balance in Kenya at the Expense of the poor, displaced, the hungry, the Kenyans? Why don't you view this tragedy as a Kenyan tragedy, do you think it is simply a Kikuyu tragedy? Why do you retreat to your ethnic enclave as opposed to embracing a Kenyan approach or disgust to the prevailing events?
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True death count
written by Jandege , January 17, 2008
People claiming that it is only Kikuyus who are suffering are not being objective, as they also have not been when trying to legitimize a flawed process.

The death toll in Kisumu alone is over 69 people according to police records but over 100 according to KHRC and other independent news sources like Al Jazeera. I am sure if the police are asked to release the names of all people killed you will realise that the majority will not be Kyuks, as the leading cause of deaths is shooting by police.

Trying to hoodwink people that the violence in RV targeting Kikuyus was pre-meditated won't wash. Tension has been simmering in RV for years and we all know this, and it required someone to light the powder keg. Kibaki in his greed for power gladly took centre stage and the rest is history.

Having said that, we should all condemn the killing of all innocents whether by police bullets or by other people for whatever reason.

A point to ponder, what happens when people lose faith in all institutions of governance? Look at kibaki's record since 2003 on the judiciary, legislature, ECK, media and civil society. Tell me what options Kenyans are left thinking of?

Consider this also: if police were to descend on Nyeri and to kill 80 people on the streets, what psychological effect would that this send to the inhabitants of Nyeri and the environs? It has not happened, so Nyerians might not know, but remember everything is cyclic, it just might happen and then you will climb out of your ivory tower of indifference and feel the pain felt by these people, or the thirty people burnt in Eldoret.

(Edited for proper grammar and meaning (conditional mode). Ed.)
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Lets be Objective and Sober
written by Jandege , January 17, 2008
Alexander,

You report what Grace Kaindi says, that is okay if you trust the sequencing. I highly doubt people will just go on rampage without a reason. If you wanted to be objective, you would have as well quoted other news sources which are independent like Al Jazeera, CNN, BBC who had correspondents on the ground in Nairobi, Nyeri and Kisumu. In all circumstances they reported that violence occurred AFTER the disputed results were announced, not before as you put it. The police are obviously partisan, do you expect them to report anything that will paint the impostor's government negatively? This is either naivety or partisanship which has got our country where it is. It is hard to understand why we keep justifying the unjustifiable just to defend 'one of our own'.
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re: Let\'s be Objective and So
written by aeichener , January 17, 2008
Alexander,
You report what Grace Kaindi says, that is okay if you trust the sequencing.

The sequencing as such does not seem to be a matter of much doubt for me. Whether what G.K. states is true, must of course be checked critically. It sounds plausible so far, but not every plausible story is true.

I highly doubt people will just go on rampage without a reason.

Looting chance is a reason, anger is a reason, hate-mongering is a reason, settlement of personal scores is a reason, money paid as hand-out is a reason.

If you wanted to be objective, you would have as well quoted other news sources which are independent like Al Jazeera, CNN, BBC who had correspondents on the ground in Nairobi, Nyeri and Kisumu. In all circumstances they reported that violence occurred AFTER the disputed results were announced, not before as you put it.

That is simply not true. While the widespread, planned and organized violence was indeed conducted (it neither "flared up" nor "broke out"smilies/wink.gif immediately after the election results announcement, many individual acts of violence has been committed before. The Kenyan (!) media were full of reports about it between 27th and 30th of December, you just seem to have blocked them out of memory, maybe due to the overshining "halo effect" of the later more massive and more widespread violence.

The police are obviously partisan,

That is correct. As partisan as ODM. And as partisan as the perpetrators, would you say?

It is hard to understand why we keep justifying the unjustifiable just to defend 'one of our own'.

Which is what the ODM crowd (a crowd that I do not simply equuate to Jaluos) is constantly, persistently doing.

I on the other hand do state clearly and differentiate what can be justified, what maybe can be excused, and what is not amenable to either.

I also do not make the mistake to equate the situation of say, several hundreds of well-trained, optimally equipped, optimally protected Danish or German police(wo)men against peaceful demonstrators or even football hooligans,
with our Kenyan poor buggers in uniform, underpaid, uninsured, mediocrely trained, underequipped, mostly without modern protective anti-riot gear, without having at their disposition suitable non-lethal weaponry (except Nairobi), standing against a murderous and literally blood-baying mob with stones, iron bars, and pangas.

I see the difference. Do you too?

Alexander
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Violence begun before results
written by Ngigi wa Kamau , January 17, 2008
Just ripping apart another myth being perpetuated especially by Kenyan Media.

The anti-Gikuyu violence was already underway on the 29th. In Kericho and Migori for example, youths blocked roads demanding ID cards from motorists to ensure that they were from the "right" group. KTN had clips running on the same day showing these illegal roadblocks.

It was anticipated that results would be released the same day so that goons were hoping that their actions would fall under the "post-results-announcement" chaos blanket. It was not to be.

For the first week of January 2008, KTN and NTV alleged that the violence was a response to the announcement of Kibaki as president by specifically associating all acts of reported deaths with the results declaration.

However, their editors realised the patent dishonesty of this position in the face of growing revulsion at the Eldoret Assemblies of God church massacre. Now, a sanitised term is in use to disguise the pre-planned nature of the pogroms that have expanded to evictions of Kisii and Kamba from RV, luo Nyanza, and Western Provinces - "post election violence". General enough to be plausibly accurate, but deceptively so.
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written by Jandege , January 17, 2008
Just ripping apart another myth being perpetuated especially by Kenyan Media.

The anti-Gikuyu violence was already underway on the 29th. In Kericho and Migori for example, youths blocked roads demanding ID cards from motorists to ensure that they were from the "right" group. KTN had clips running on the same day showing these illegal roadblocks.

For the first week of January 2008, KTN and NTV alleged that the violence was a response to the announcement of Kibaki as president by specifically associating all acts of reported deaths with the results declaration.

However, their editors realised the patent dishonesty of this position in the face of growing revulsion at the Eldoret Assemblies of God church massacre. Now, a sanitised term is in use to disguise the pre-planned nature of the pogroms that have expanded to evictions of Kisii and Kamba from RV, luo Nyanza, and Western Provinces - "post election violence". General enough to be plausibly accurate, but deceptively so.


(Ad hominem slur deleted. Ed.)

Ngigi (...) Please show us proof of your allegations otherwise desist (...) Some of us have relatives in those locations and we know for sure that the violence erupted after Kivuitu made the announcement. All local, regional (check Monitor and New Vision in UG and Majira and Nipashe in TZ) report the same, so where is the source of your info?
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written by observer , January 17, 2008
It is very sad to see how Tribal hatred and animosity has been allowed to fester and blow over during these elections and the run up to them. What really saddens me is that the old scores that are being settled have little in the form of historical fact.

The white highlands land in the rift valley was mainly Maasai pastoral land annexed by the British for their settlers. The Kikuyu referred to by the Brits as squatters provided labor on many of these farms. By the mid 1940s over 25% over 250,000 of the entire Kikuyu population were now squatters in the rift valley. In October of 1952 over 100,000 Kikuyu squatters who considered the rift valley their home since many were born and raised there were expelled from the rift valley to reserves. The notion of Kenyatta giving the Kikuyu land in the RV after independence not only is not true since much of the land was bought though land buying companies. It does not dose not account for the large native Kikuyu population in the RV.
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written by Q , January 17, 2008
Waweru,

The historical part of your article are very interesting.

It's amazing that so many years later Land reforms has been a loud cry!

http://www.time.com/time/print...16,00.html

1960- Mboya is firmly committed to a land-reform program that would split up the idle portions of large estates, but not to the wholesale expulsion of Europeans from the 12,700 sq. mi. of white highlands. "We must treat land as a national asset, encourage African ownership and cooperatives where necessary. We hope to acquire the land voluntarily
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written by Timothy Wainaina , January 17, 2008
Jandege
If you could only switch on your brain and do a little bit of thinking? Even googling, you know that search engine....

Here is a link to the BBC, quite clearly the violence started before the results were announced. 10 people had actually died, alright? In Nyanza people were already killing policemen before the election day even, and if you took your fingers out of your ears you would know that across the RVP Kikuyu and Kamba people were actually being given already marked ballots to tumbukiza in the boxes.

Here is even more evidence,
On December 29th I was driving with a friend towards Uganda. We were going on a safari for a few days to celebrate the New Year. To get to Uganda from Kenya you must drive through Nyanza,Western, and Rift Valley provinces, all ODM strongholds. We started to get text messages that things were stirring up in Nairobi with large groups of demonstrators taking to the streets. Shortly after learning of this, we pulled into the town of Eldoret. There was a strange vibe in the air. At one end of town the road had been blocked by huge boulders pushed across the road. We drove around them, and cautiously proceeded into town. We saw smoke burning at one end of town. We headed north on the road to the Malaba border. The street was lined with men, standing shoulder to shoulder, two or three deep. It was noon, but all of the shops were eerily closed. The men looked pensive, the crowd was charged; they pumped clinched fists. The air felt combustible. We hurriedly proceeded through town, swerving around a tire burning in the street. We then came to our first roadblock. Rowdy youths were beginning to congregate and had blocked the road with stones. We rolled up the windows and drove around them as they cheered, waving machetes, clubs, and rocks in the air. My heart rate went up and I felt adrenaline surge through my body. The Uganda border was an hour away. We proceeded, not knowing what was ahead. In minutes we met another roadblock, a larger crowd blocked our vehicle. We continued, unsure what to do. Then we came to several youths lying across the road, some sharpening their machetes by scraping them across the tarmac. I rolled down the window to negotiate. They demanded money and stated we couldnt continue. Looking down the road we saw a crowd of at least 1,000 people blocking the road. Traffic ground to a halt. We were pinned. My friend JP turned the Landcruiser around and we conversed in quick, sudden bursts, fear oozing through the vehicleҒs interior. Several more young men surrounded our car. One raised a boulder and threatened to throw it at the windshield. Another knocked the rear glass with a club. They began yelling. JP lunged the Landcruiser at a guy standing in our path. He dove out of the way and we quickly accelerated back towards Eldoret, clearly shaken.

At the junction with the Kitale road, all transport trucks and cars had pulled off the side of the road. I chatted with several people. They said fighting had started in Eldoret, the town wed passed through 30 minutes ago. We inquired about the Kitale road. We decided to give it a try. Within 10 minutes, just south of the village of Soy, we met another angry mob. They were shouting ODM party slogans and demanding that the ECK pronounce the winner. Most of the protestors were ethnic Luos and Kalenjins. They began to take out their political frustrations on ethnic Kikuyus. This is one of the reasons they were blocking the road. They were looking for supporters of PNU (KibakiҒs party), angered by fears that the votes were being manipulated. We couldnt proceed and again turned around. The uncertainty of what was unfolding was most unsettling. We were trapped. We had been blocked and threatened in both directions. Civil unrest simmered, while political frustrations fueled ethnic conflict. Luckily, a few hundred meters back there was an army barracks. We pulled in and drove up to the heavily guarded gate to shelter with several other travelers who sought refuge from the uncertainty of the mob. A Kikuyu driver was hiding with his vehicle. He was clearly afraid. Fighting back tears, he said that he was forced to lock himself in his room and hide under his bed earlier in the day. Another group of Kikuyus fearing retribution from the frenzied mob, hid in a shelter near the barracks. I went and spoke to them. They were terrified. The soldiers guarding the base assured us protection.

No cars were moving. Then the mob went on a rampage, and started raiding shops and homes on the road a few hundred meters in front of us. One man ran for his life. I was sure I was about to witness him being beaten to death. I witnessed his beating, but he managed to get up and run. His attackers didnҒt pursue. We stood there, with our ringside seats to this sick event, paralyzed by this sudden onslaught of violence. Now I know this was not an isolated incident. It was merely the start to a bloodletting that has been going on for three days. After several hours of remaining in the shadows of soldiers who had assured us protection, the crowd dispersed and cars started to move again. We waited a while and then also proceeded, wheeling back onto the road to Kitale.

I studied my Kenya map and found several rough roads that went east and south, avoiding towns and villages. It was the only way to get back to where we came from and away from the violence, without passing through Eldoret. The day was getting late and we needed to be off the road by nightfall. We were staying in touch with other friends and colleagues around the country who were also bracing for whatever was coming. Thankfully our cell phones continued to work. JP pushed the Landcruiser hard as we raced south towards Iten, and then into the Kerio Valley. We climbed up the eastern side of the valley and entered the town of Kabarnet. Things were quiet, but a clear tension was felt. The interactions on the street were not those of a typical day at dusk in a rural Kenyan town. Something was amiss, astir. We filled up with diesel and considered our options. Two other friends were already camping within the compound of a hotel next to Lake Bogoria. They were about an hour away and had reported no problems in their area. Deciding it was the best option, we blasted out of town and slipped down towards the village of Marigat in darkness. Within an hour we reached the Lake Bogoria Hotel where our friends were camping. We put up our tents and began swapping stories.


And another link, this time from AllAfrica,
By the time of going to press, Kisumu, popularly known as Kenya's Bombay, due to its high population of Asians literally smelt of smoke.

When the first round of skirmishes ended at 6pm on December 29, the Central Business District lay flat, with investments worth billions of shillings either looted dry or burnt.

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The next such comment you post here will lead to your being banned. Thank you, Ed.
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written by a guest , January 18, 2008
Dont just ask Raila to stop. Ask Kibaki to resign, coz this is the bone of contention.
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written by jessy , January 18, 2008
OK, that will be the end of that, Ed.
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written by Mogoka shtim , January 18, 2008
@Kalindi throwing stones in talent now??

You have so much hate its almost comical

*smirk*
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written by Stephen Wanyama , January 18, 2008
Here is a review from the Christian Science Monitor

The fury of the violence may look like "tribal warfare" linked to election anger, especially in the worst instances of ethnic cleansing – as in Eldoret, where women and children were burned alive in a church. A common explanation is that members of the Kikuyu community are facing retaliation from others for their longtime "dominance." Like Kenya's first president, Jomo Kenyatta, President Mwai Kibaki is Kikuyu; opposition leader Raila Odinga is Luo.

Part of the violence is not directly organized and is instead linked to confrontations between protesters and police, who have a history of brutality. Many understandably feel rage at the election fraud carried out on behalf of Mr. Kibaki. But much of the ethnicized violence is linked to organized efforts by political strongmen who have experience playing divide-and-rule.

Remember Daniel arap Moi? He was Kenya's president from 1978 to 2002. He and most of his cohorts during this time were Kalenjin. In the 1990s, they faced the probable loss of power in multiparty elections to an opposition that included many Kikuyu. In response, Mr. Moi's men filled their campaigns with hate against all Kikuyu and convinced many that any member of that group, from a child to a poor farmer, represented "Kikuyu domination."

This ploy conveniently shifted blame from Moi and his mostly non-Kikuyu crowd who had been in power for years. It shifted attention away from the massive land grabbing and corruption they continued from the previous government that helped put the poor, including the numerous Kikuyu poor, in slums or sent them across the country in search of a small patch of land to eke out a living.

Sadly, this anti-Kikuyu campaign gained supporters among unemployed youth who learned to project their problems onto a Kikuyu face. Poor men were given weapons and paid to kill and displace. In return, they were promised or sold vacated land. Ultimately, in the 1990s, thousands of people died and almost half a million were displaced. This violence helped Moi's small group of corrupt "big men" stay in power for a decade. In the deeply flawed elections of 1992 and 1997, displacement became a form of gerrymandering.

Not one person has been tried, let alone convicted, for these killings and displacements. The international community at the time seemed quite ready to forget as well.


Link here.

The key lesson for the international community to learn from past violence is that a new government alone, especially if it welcomes perpetrators of violence into its core, cannot fix this deep problem of strongmen politics.

This time we must demand a thorough and independent investigation into all forms of violence. We should demand that those guilty of organizing, funding, or authorizing killings from any ethnic community be, at a minimum, excluded from high office. Let us not forget that this violence has a history and perpetrators and that there are responsibilities to be assigned. This time let us demand justice and not repeat the mistakes of the past. Otherwise, we set more roadblocks on Kenya's path toward a just, democratic, and truly civil society.

Looks like curtains for Raila and his band of merry men. Without the support of the int'l community, only tribalists from Western Kenya, including Western Province are going to stay with this tyrant.
I suppose Mwalimu Mati, Maina Kiai and such other crusaders can join him in his messiah-size bed. I hope he can love them all equally.
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written by Diego10 , January 18, 2008
Concur with Amir... And i feel Mandoles views are partisan to blame Kibaki only. You paint a picture of Hon. Raila to be a saint while the history surrounding him is different. Not saying Kibaki is an angel here. The line " he wants power at any cost can easily be reversed to Raila too... or?

You cannot suddenly wake up from your slumber and harp that your rights are your rights... i think every individual has rights. Yours may be important in that you want to exercise your civil rights and want Raila to be your president. Some of my rights are security, peace, stability, space to exist. very basic ones..... compared to your learned civil rights harping...

What we all dont seem to realize is there has been a rigged vote (from both sides). Basically its like comparing a thug who stole 5 votes and one who stole 10 - who is the better person baffles me.
Accepted the whole thing was a mess, however 39 million Kenyans are infighting for approximately 150 MPs from PNU and ODM (again in that both camps have LUO and Kikuyu MPs and we dont see fists flying within the parties - its all out there on the street between the normal and everyday kenyan). All the people on the steets have is that - they have been brainwashed and all ODM or PNU want is a shot at making the most financial gains at our expense. Did you go to Kibera or any other part of the country and take part in the "PEACEFUL" demos? Nothing like that exists mate... whether the government provides security or not.

legitimately ODM would have sent a stronger message by boycotting parliament but 65million shillings over 5 years - is too big a moentary chance to let slip away - this would be big for you too to give up. how much of that will be donated to the displaced or the deceased families remains to be seen but my conservative estimated figure is ... KES 00.00. The sooner we realise we are pawns in this political game of chess the sooner we can all return to normality. Mass action in this case is a way to involve the unemployed youth in wanton destruction, looting and harming of innocent people and their property that may be their "RIGHT". But for me it is my right to be safe from such thuggery and violence... Do you agree? Anyone answering otherwise to this is a literary type and a pencil pusher who will never get within 100yards of such "PEACEFUL" demos. The police are certainly exercizing restraint in most cases however... did you see the lone woman being hit by 5 different men in mathare on TV yesterday... you really man enough to say that those are your rights and can you say the raping, killing and burning down of a church full of helpless women and children is the right of the aggreived persons?

Generally we could build great nation with our BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS but here we are destroying OUR country with our own blood, sweat and tears. Is a sacrifice of a presidential seat worth the lives of thousands. they will only be a statistic in the end.
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written by politicalscientist , January 18, 2008
I'm so disappointed by some of the comments I've read in these pages. Where are all the voices of reason?

(Yet we try our best to sweep the broom quickly and to keep the floor halfway clean, as you may have observed.

And contrary to your understandable disappointment, we see that the glass is half full, and that many thoughtful and thorough contributions have been posted in the last three days. e.g. on the history and genesis of the RV land problem etc. And see you, Ciru, Beverly, Tsunami, very welcome new arrivals. Ed.)

Of people who are more interested in looking forward rather than finding blame? Where are all the people who want to bring healing rather than expose shame?

Listen, how far back is far enough in order to find out who started all this trouble. Is it not enough that the house is burning? Or do we have to find out who lit the match in order to put it out? Our country is on fire, our brothers and sisters - Luo, Kikyuyu, Kamba,Gusii, Asian- are dying! And for what? For the language that they speak at home.

What is a tribe after all? If you were given away at birth to a family of a different name and took on their name and their language would you become their tribe or would you retain your own? What about the decades of intermarriage and intermixing that have happened before we got to this point? Can you confidently account for the tribe of every man that your great, great grandmother may or may not have had children with?

Lets get realistic people! Tribes are not in your blood, and they are not in your genes. They are a social contstruction which served a purpose 40-50 years ago but to day they are a burden on our society. What would you rather see dead? Your neighbour of a different tribe or a language that is spoken by less than 1 million people?
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written by dr.phil , January 18, 2008
Rant deleted. Ed.
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Ed.you r being unfair u r delleting my comments while displaying the above do i read tribalism on your part

And we read no orthogrophy on your part. As to Dr.phil.'s inappropriate tribal rants, they have brought him a ban, as you can see. Ed.
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written by Kisumuwalla , January 19, 2008
There are some memories that stay with you all your life, and the Kisumu massacre is one that will remain with me. Certainly some people at the opening of the 'Russian' hospital heckled Kenyatta at the event, but the live transmission from VOK was interrupted frequently, so those who were waiting on the roadside to wave to their president didn't know of the heckling. In fact most didn't have transistor radios and so didn't even hear the event. The trouble started after Kenyatta left, at high speed. Rather, his car left, with Mama Ngina in it. He wasn't visible. This was followed by his escort cars and other police cars, with armed officers,and at least one civilian,leaning out of the windows shooting at random at the crowd lining the route. Hardly a response to believing that their that their employer was in danger. He had already left. They were followed by GSU, and tear gas and more random shooting. Including shooting at the pupils of the Kisumu Boys and Kisumu Girls schools, who had been ordered to attend. Trying to justify shooting of innocent civilians as protecting the president after he had left takes a very large pair of rose tinted glasses.
But worse was to come. The curfew was supposed to run from 6pm to 6am. The GSU would often drive in their trucks to the village outside Kisumu, I believe called Nylenda, at 4pm. Residents of the village would not even be allowed lights in their huts and the night would be filled with screams of people being beaten and women being raped. The GSU were the law, and no one was immune. Not even the senior police, one of whom spent the night in his own cells after being found driving after the GSU self appointed start time of the curfew.

Was it an attack on the Luo's? Definately! And as Kenyatta said himself, forgive but don't forget.

Also, lets clarify something else. Odinga went to the Soviet block at Kenyatta's request to buy tanks after both the British and American's refused to sell them to Kenya. The Soviets agreed and the tanks were delivered to Dar-es-Salaam and were on route to Kenya, when the American's found out and put a stop to it. After that, Odinga maintained his links with the Soviets and after he and Kenyatta fell out, he used his connections to get the hospital built in Kisumu.
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written by Kalindi , January 21, 2008
... if these goons (...) where not living in Kenya, our country would be very peaceful. (...) Their philosophy is violence, their diet is mawe, their culture is brutality and their ideology is incitement.

Police are doing a good job; meeting violence with bullets. If you come out of your house, you surely get what you wanted. As you continue to throw stones, your cities will become ghost towns and you will chase all investors, stop children from going to school, retard development and who suffers? It is you..the gifted stone throwers.

Edited even more, and detribalized. In an abstract form as now, the criticism can stand. Violence is not limited to one ethnic group. Ed.
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... if these goons ...

I think this type of selectively allowing some stereotyped and potentially inflammatory posts is ultimately going to be counterproductive. Where do you place the line? If anti-Kikuyu is wrong, so should anti-Luo, you should not censor one and allow the other.

(Exactly so! And as you can see (even in this very same thread), we have been diligent in deleting both, and will continue to do so. The above posting for whatever reason was under-edited. That has now been remedied. Thanks for averting / criticizing us. Eds.)

Over to you, and do exhibit fairness.

(We try. Eds.)
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written by joseph munyao , January 21, 2008
ODMs mass action campaign is predicated on an allegation that the 200,000 or so votes that moved Kibaki into first place were "irregular" - because they were "inflated", on forms with no stamps, etc. As a result of these 200,000 odd votes ODM has caused the displacement of over 300,000 Kenyans (yes Kibaki supporters are Kenyans), introduced refugee status for 10,000 plus and literally "fueled" the circumstances that led to the deaths of over 600 Kenyans.

As Kenyans we should all ask ourselves -Why is it that the 200,000 votes have caused us so much harm? But more importantly, why is it that ODM think that if they had received these 200,000 votes they would in fact represent the MAJORITY of Kenyans.

The brutal truth is that more than 5.4 million people voted against Raila. That is almost a million more than voted for him. So even if we believe that there were irregularities surrounding THE 200,000 votes, ODM would still not represent the views of the majority of Kenyans.

In fact now that Kalonzo has joined Kibaki they jointly (whether we like it or no) speak for the majority of Kenyans...so please ODM for the sake of OUR country lets stop the destruction and hatred. The 200,000 votes you are questioning have not been proven and should not be used to hold the MAJORITY of Kenyans hostage, cause anarchy, death, poverty, suffering, destruction, and alienation. There are many other ways to achieve what you want and Kenyans will appreciate it if you give peace a chance.

Given that most of us did not vote for ODM you should ask yourselves how we can trust you to protect and defend us after what we have witnessed these past few weeks? Which of us do you expect to vote for you when day after day we continue to witness the victimisation of people from other communities in ODM strongholds?

To ODM supporters on this blog, ask your leaders to do the right thing and give peace a chance. They should borrow a leaf from Al Gore by showing that there are other ways to serve your nation and win hearts and minds. A concession for the sake of peace would gain more points than continued calls for what we all know is "bloody", fiery and destructive mass action.

I thank God that throughout the campaign period Kibaki preached peace and tolerance to his supporters. I am more and more convinced that perhaps he was sent to save us from a worse fate ...with all the evidence of premeditated and preplanned attacks flying around...only God knows where we would be today if ODM had actually won.

Perhaps the next five years will give us all a chance to find a common path to KENYA the land of milk and honey that all of us seek but none of us has yet found.
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Where ARE you getting your figures from - 5.4 million people voted against Raila?!

And so a vote for Kalonzo, even though he campaigned AGAINST Kibaki and AGAINST everything that Kibaki stood for is now a vote for him?! Kalonzo the VP and Kalonzo the candidate are strictly speaking in democratic terms two separate animals and if those people really wanted Kibaki to have his votes - guess what - they would have voted for him!!Did you people skip class the day the explained democracy and how a multi-party system works?!

If we follow your logic does that mean that anyone who votes for Hillary Clinton is automatically anti-Barack Obama and so if by chance Obama wins the nomination that group automatically gives its votes to the Republicans?! Where on God's green earth does that make any sense?!!!!!

And as for people doing the right thing, the right thing in the case of Kenya at this point in time is for a retallying of all votes cast to be done in public in full view of international and local observers. And for the leaders to accept the results of such an exercise no matter what it reveals. Raila and co have already indicated that they're up for this approach and if Kibaki really won the election then he has nothing to lose and everything to gain from a retallying process.

Good friggin grief!! I swear, some of the things that are being said...
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Where ARE you getting your figures from - 5.4 million people voted against Raila?!

And so a vote for Kalonzo, even though he campaigned AGAINST Kibaki and AGAINST everything that Kibaki stood for is now a vote for him?! Kalonzo the VP and Kalonzo the candidate are strictly speaking in democratic terms two separate animals and if those people really wanted Kibaki to have his votes - guess what - they would have voted for him!!Did you people skip class the day the explained democracy and how a multi-party system works?!

If we follow your logic does that mean that anyone who votes for Hillary Clinton is automatically anti-Barack Obama and so if by chance Obama wins the nomination that group automatically gives its votes to the Republicans?! Where on God's green earth does that make any sense?!!!!!

And as for people doing the right thing, the right thing in the case of Kenya at this point in time is for a retallying of all votes cast to be done in public in full view of international and local observers. And for the leaders to accept the results of such an exercise no matter what it reveals. Raila and co have already indicated that they're up for this approach and if Kibaki really won the election then he has nothing to lose and everything to gain from a retallying process.

Good friggin grief!! I swear, some of the things that are being said...


Kibaki is not a very courageous man. The group of mount Kenya mafia will never let him accept a re-tally or a reelection i.e anything that will put them far away from wanachi's coffers.
Many PNU supporters here hate Raila but they should bare in mind that this is the best son a Kenyan woman ever bore. Not like those hovering around Kibaki at state house that Kivuitu condemned after taking the results for the Mzee to be sweared in like a thief. They did it the swearing so fast that they forgot to do the national anthem.

I really pity Kivuitu in this vdo,after seeing these images I am happy that Kenyans in Kibera and elsewhere and with the help from Raila and ODM pentagon, are not letting Kibaki get away with this:

Kivuitu Tries To exonerate Himself :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2fHi8553X8

By the gospel according to PNU and Martha Karua, Raila planned the massacre of the innocents in Eldoret! She must have drunk muratina before going to "hardtalk". Ati genocide, Kibaki himself is genocide.

martha karua hardtalk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...re=related
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Hey Wuod Aketch, don't use my words to defend any kind of violence. As I have stated categorically on other threads on this website I think that Kibaki (and co), Raila (and co) and Kalonzo (and co - which in his case means Mutula Kilonzo) are all power drunk, money hungry, bottom of the barrel type politicians and all of them have behaved reprihensibly during this fiasco. I reiterate once more, many people died for my vote and my vote is thus sacred and I refuse to tarnish it with any such scoundrels. I'd rather have voted for Pius Muiru!!
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written by Tim Norwood , January 21, 2008
Dear PoliticalScientist,
I have just been chastised by editorial for taking a hard line with you, now I see it was entirely justified.

Okay, here is a lesson. Kalonzo Musyoka was birckbatted by the ODM, really totally maligned for almost a whole year simply because he was leading in the opinion polls and the goons from the West did not like that. He was threatened, blackmailed, heckled and hammered, so yes, as opinion polls have shown consistently, his core voters would choose Kibaki if they cannot have Kalonzo. The video evidence of the reception the Kalonzo appointment got in Akambani is evidence enough.

Even at the election, it was quite clear that the Akambani people much preferred Mwai Kibaki to Kalonzo, so yes those people did vote against Raila, a vote which has now been reinforced by the violence against the Akamba and the Agusii. So you good frigging grief yourself.

Re-tallying of the votes, is not at all an option. I suppose this has been explained a million times. If we are in agreement that the ballot boxes were stuffed, that forms were forged, then how does re-tallying help at all? Hmmmmmm?
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written by politicalscientist , January 22, 2008
:-)

Dear PoliticalScientist,

Kalonzo Musyoka was bríckbatted by the ODM, really totally maligned for almost a whole year simply because he was leading in the opinion polls and the goons from the West did not like that. He was threatened, blackmailed, heckled and hammered, so yes, as opinion polls have shown consistently, his core voters would choose Kibaki if they cannot have Kalonzo. The video evidence of the reception the Kalonzo appointment got in Akambani is evidence enough.

Even at the election, it was quite clear that the Akambani people much preferred Mwai Kibaki to Kalonzo, so yes those people did vote against Raila, a vote which has now been reinforced by the violence against the Akamba and the Agusii.

Re-tallying of the votes, is not at all an option. I suppose this has been explained a million times. If we are in agreement that the ballot boxes were stuffed, that forms were forged, then how does re-tallying help at all? Hmmmmmm?


I have to begin by apologising by the somewhat harsh tone in my previous post. I was exasperated by some of the comments I'd read. Not an excuse, just an explanation. Rudeness is in my eyes at least, bad form.

(Hmm. In the midst of the usual acrimony, a refreshing counter-position. Kudos. Ed.)

To respond Mr Norwood, quoting opinion polls is one thing but the extrapolation in the post to which I replied is another. Case in point, independent candidate Ralph Nader came third in the American election of 2004. If he came then formed a coalition with George W. does that mean that the people who voted for him automatically hand their vote to George W.? It doesn't. Because people voted for Nader specifically because he wasn't Al gore or George W. Similarly, people voted for Kalonzo because he was neither Kibaki nor Raila (at the time anyway).

That Musyoka received such a warm welcome on his return to Ukambani as VP is more indicative of a malaise in Kenyan politics than the triumph of democratic principles. It is a manifestation of tribalism, where many of the people who were celebrating Kalonzo's fortunes celebrated that one of their own was now sitting at a prime place at the table and that they too would now have a chance to pick from the crumbs off that table. It's tribalism, albeit in a more watered down version than the hooliganism that has marred elections in Kenya since 1992.

And as for retallying of votes. You forget one key thing. The problem that people had, specifically ODM, was not with stuffed ballot boxes but it was with gross discrepancies between results announced at the tallying station and those announced at the ECK. They had copies of form 16A as signed by their agents which were different from those announced, and that is what the EU observers confirmed as well. Thus if forms 16A are duly produced for each constituency that returned results for the presidential race, signed and double checked by agents of all parties it would simply be a question of adding all those numbers off form 16A and not ECK computers, up.

Et voilà.
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written by Tim Norwood , January 22, 2008
Now, now Nanj.
I can tell you based both on anecdotal evidence, and the history of voting patterns in Akambani, and also the way the ODM treated Kalonzo that Raila has no support in Ukambani. Kibaki did manage a few seats and votes there, but Raila got nothing. Do you realise that no one but your hero Raila (and Nyachae I suppose) throws insults about in the way that he does? I see in yesterday's papers that he shares your assessment of the Vice President, eh? Never too far from the tree, they say.

About the forms. Now the PNU and ODM-K and observers were not represented in many of the counting offices in the ODM zones. So if we only check the tallies at the national level, we are ignoring the fact that there were indeed many areas where only one party knows how the counting went, and how the vote totals were arrived at.

There are many reports of massive vote rigging in Western Kenya. Please read from Muthoni Wanyeki ( she lists I think 69 constituencies with these discrepancies- a large number of them in Nyanza and the RVP) or also check KEDOF's report.

What it seems, is that you ODM people ( no need denying it Nanj, your biases betray it) are intent on using any means to win the election, so pardon me for thinking you promote this means out of selfish interests.

On my part, I think the best bet for Kenya's long term stability is a heavily internationally observed fresh election, not just at the Presidential but also at the parliamentary level, anything else will lead us right back here. Alternatively, we can call time on the Kenyan experiment, and give the Western crazies their own country, smilies/smiley.gif
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written by aeichener , January 22, 2008
Tim only _plays_ the bad cop here, PoliticalScientist. In real life, he feeds stray kittens, and helps old ladies across the street... especially those who do not want to cross the street in the first place. ;-P

Alexander
(good cop with a large sjambok behind his back)
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written by politicalscientist , January 22, 2008
Now, now Nanj.
I can tell you based both on anecdotal evidence, and the history of voting patterns in Akambani, and also the way the ODM treated Kalonzo that Raila has no support in Ukambani. Kibaki did manage a few seats and votes there, but Raila got nothing. Do you realise that no one but your hero Raila (and Nyachae I suppose) throws insults about in the way that he does? I see in yesterday's papers that he shares your assessment of the Vice President, eh? Never too far from the tree, they say.


Norwood, you've appointed Raila my hero without consulting me! I'm shocked. It seems to me that in your world comes in black and white, with no perception of shades of gray, or better still colour. This may be the reason why to you people are either for Raila and co. or for Kibaki and co. In my technicolor world, people have more choice than that and in that world I reject Kibaki, Kalonzo AND Raila. Take a moment with that one, it may overwhelm you. :-P

The tallying process was not done nationally, it was done at each constituency at a centraly appointed location where each presidential candidate was entitled and indeed expected to have a representative. According to the constitution of Kenya form 16A is invalid unless it is duly signed by representatives of agents for all political parties because that is the only method of authenticating the results.

As for the 69 constituencies...je ne sais pas. All I know is that during the counting process Chairman Kivuitu, commisioners of the electoral commision and two agents of each presidential candidate withdrew into KICC and reviewed all submitted results to that point, emerging with a list of 48 constituencies with disputed results, many of which were won by ODM candidates - case in point Starehe. Retallying was also one of the propositions put forward by Attorney General Amos Wako in his speech following the eruption of clashes.

And while in priniple I agree with an electoral rerun, unless the international community agrees to fully fund the exercise it will be an unneccesary drain on the economy where children have already been promised free secondary education only to see that promise yanked away from them.

"We ODM people," eh? Don't attempt to read my mind Norwood. I am a woman and you are a man. You will try and you will fail.
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Food for thought
written by Mundu , January 25, 2008
Picked up the below from a blog. Food for thought..

The strong feeling amongst supporters of President Kibaki is that the crisis in the country has been actively promoted and sponsored by Raila Odinga and ODM and the biggest culprit is the Luo tribe (although in reality the biggest problem is clearly in the Rift Valley). They also feel that the strong anti-Kikuyu sentiments from the rest of the country are borne out of jealousy from the rest of the Kenyan tribes who are mostly lazy and do not possess the same business acumen and enterprising nature of the Kikuyu. They wonder why the Luo cannot wait until 2012, when the Kikuyu waited 10 years as former president Moi rigged 2 presidential elections (1992 and 1997). Members of this community are mostly eager to get back to work and to put the elections behind them but are greatly angered by the calls for mass action which makes this impossible.

The Luo, Kalenjin and most of the tribes in the 6 provinces that Raila Odinga won, feel that they have had more than enough of the Kikuyu who they feel are domineering and completely insensitive to the fact that there are 41 other tribes in the country. The last straw that broke the camel
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Over to you Editor
written by Truth Be Told , January 25, 2008
(Fine, so use email. You know how to do it, don't you?

You have time and again posted much sensible and thoughtful content, alas together with incitement and attacks. We become tired of the tedious chore of winnowing this harvest.

Anti-Luo rants and even the occasional wildly personalized anti-Raila insult have been deleted here on KI as much as anti-Kikuyu hatemongering. We do allow a strong criticism of the president as a matter of course, so the opposition leader cannot expect a more benign treatment.

Eds.)
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The role of British colonialis
written by William Nzioka , January 26, 2008
Its interesting to note that no single news article has brought about the topic of the role that British colonialism played and still plays in the newly emerging violence

For those who don't know or remember, the Berlin conference was as the name suggests, a conference that took place in Berlin in 1884

This was the time in which diplomats from the superpowers Europe planned on how to distribute the Africa amongst them.
I would personally like to know why a number of European countries believed that they had the God given right to split up the tribes of Africa by any means necessary?
The British just happened to outline most of which is Kenya, which they named the British East Protectorate.

The Masai who were centered in the area that is now Nairobi along with Tanzania.
Most what used to be their tribal land was never re compensated in any way by the government that followed the British Rule.
The Kikuyu, who were based around Mt. Kirinyaga/Kenya were favored by the father of my country, Jomo Kenyatta, which resulted in them receiving lands around where the Kalenjin were native to, The Rift Valley. The Kikuyus were able to flourish in those areas and not much arose in terms of the clashes that we are witnessing now.

What I'm really trying to convey here is the fact that the ignorance that was there in the minds of the British that mapped out today's Kenya had tensions that went either unnoticed or were placed on the backburner are now beginning to show themselves in the ugliest of manners.

Nothing is being brought up which really makes me think that the media, or their bosses are practicing very obvious intellectual dishonesty.

P.S: I was born and raised in Kenya, have no bias towards any tribe, which is the way I believe that the leaders of tomorrow should be raised in Kenya, especially in the midst of this violence.
As a Teen, I begin to wonder whether or not anyone notices this phenomenon. This just goes to show that when seed that were planted even as far as a century ago, when watered by tensions, violence is the plant that will be.

Peace & love to all

Pray for Kenya
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Rerun not the way to go
written by Aliosema , January 27, 2008
Witnessing the polarised mess Kenya is in makes me less and less convinced that a rerun under the current political dispensation would be of any help.

The problem is not the 200,000 odd votes that ODM claims were irregular....it is that ODM told its supporters that after they won they would be able to cleanse the rest of the country of mt. Kenya people (not only the kikuyu are being targeted)- and I mean cleanse in the sense of taking over farms, homes, businesses, jobs. I frankly do not see how having a rerun of the election now would fix this. As pointed out elsewhere the clashes in RV have happened in succession around every election...they have gotten worse this time above because the anti-kikuyu sentiment was spread to other communities through ODMs propaganda machine.

I think that those on this blog speaking about the need to reconfigure our constitution (yes we are back to constitutional reforms again)and to allow devolution a chance are on the right track. Until and unless we can say that the underlying concerns have been addressed...a rerun could turn out to be either a trigger for more violence, or result in shelving the issues that have come to the surface.

What would the outcome be of a rerun that yielded the same narrow margin. More accusations, violence, disruption of our lives, etc. Lets accept that we need to take the car for an engine overhaul before we get in it and try to continue our journey, because next time around we may lose control of the car and end up falling off the edge of the escarpment.
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written by Aliosema , January 27, 2008
Political Scientist and Wuod question the figure of 5.4 million votes cast against raila. The official numbers are even higher at 5,524,035. That includes 4.58 kibaki, 0.87 Kalonzo, 0.06 for all other presidential candidates.

The point I was making is that I find it offensive that ODM claims to speak for "me". I did not vote for ODM neither did the other 5.5 million plus and that is a fact. I cannot speak for them but I do not support the so called mass action of the orange "destruction" movement as it has turned out to be. I am a Kenyan and therefore when ODM talks about what Kenyans want or do not want I do not appreciate it!

Whether or not Kalonzo teaming up with Kibaki means that Kibaki has the support of his voters (or those that voted for other presidential candidates)is an interesting question. Given the threats made in the run up to the election, many Kambas were torn between voting for their kinsman or voting for Kibaki. Lets be honest about one thing: Kenyans (particularly Luos) voted for their kinsmen. Even Raila did not get out the votes on the strength of his own campaign. It took the work of the Pentagon siamese quintuplets to get out the vote from other regions.

In all likelihood if Kalonzo was not a candidate the majority of Kambas (who comprised the bulk of Kalonzos voters) would have voted for Kibaki. So to would the small number of voters who chose among the remaining presidential candidates (most of whom were kikuyu).
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written by Wuod Aketch , January 27, 2008
Political Scientist and Wuod question the figure of 5.4 million votes cast against raila. The official numbers are even higher at 5,524,035. That includes 4.58 kibaki, 0.87 Kalonzo, 0.06 for all other presidential candidates.


You have shown that you know how to do arithmetic, but lack the knowledge in civics.
Editor can you prescribe lessons on civics or what ever for this guy.
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