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written by Marangu , September 01, 2007

You have a correct analysis of what Raila needs to do to endear himself to Kenyans. I wish he was able to do this openly himself, it would serve his course well.
There are not many that think that Moi's support for Kibaki will turn the tide in the latters' favour, there is a sense of panic about the whole issue though and probably occasioned the release of the Kroll report in the first place.

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written by pmathenge , September 01, 2007

This is truly ridiculous. So on what basis can a politician be criticised, if there are no values and everything can be nicely packaged as strategy?

The only possible excuse to elect the lying charlatan would be the fact that he is new. But you know what wahenga walisema, kipya kinyemi ingawa kidonda.

twisted
written by Mr.Kay , September 01, 2007

Job Obonyo, you have twisted Raila's actions well. But, if Raila publicly said that Moi shouldn't be prosecuted, and he was lying, how can Kenyans trust his word if he was president?

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written by Stephen Wanyama , September 01, 2007

Job,
This article has been here before.

poly-tricks
written by Jayawardene , September 01, 2007

Nice article. A wonderful job :-) in explaining why politicians say things that later come back to haunt them.

P Mathenge, why do you sound so surprised It is commonly accepted that the politician is without a doubt the most unpricipled member of our species. It is the nature of the job. You cannot be all things to all men and at the same time speak the truth.

glass houses, stones, and othe
written by Timothy Wainaina , September 01, 2007

I wonder what Job does on weekends, perhaps he practices to be the court jester when Raila becomes President, which I fear more and more he will become.

Now, let's try this. Let's not just think of Raila's defense of Moi. Let's also remember his actual involvement with Moi's government. After the 1997 election Raila's support was crucial to Moi's continued domination of Kenyans. One need also not forget that Raila did not himself do too badly from the schmoozing with Moi.

In his spare time, he also sought to pawn the Lake Victoria down the river, literally.

And for every Zara Moi, there's an Ida Odinga.

What say you Job?
written by Man R , September 01, 2007

This is a serious allegation...

Job,
This article has been here before.

I'd hate to think someone's plagiarizing here...

Good for kibaki tena
written by budase , September 03, 2007

I think this leak is not harmful to kibaki campaign as many would think, matter of fact it only goes to confirm to the rift valians why their man needs kibaki and not hao wakabila.He will claim that this is just the begining of many witch hunts to come and "they are still in the opposition".

is Raila pricipled?
written by ole mepukori , September 03, 2007

Raila comes out as a flip-flop, he tells kenyans what they want to hear i personaly have reservations about his leadership qualities, yes he is persistence, but is he the right guy to take us to the next step? I was just reading his acceptance speech on the standard and i think what he says is not what he will necessarily do, lets flash back to the NDP-KANU marrige, check out what he said,

marriages need love
written by referee , September 03, 2007

Every politician of every shade and in every country always tells people what they want to hear; good or bad.

Ole mepukori even in the real world marriages break out due to differences.

Better to divorce and move on.

Question?
written by opiyo , September 03, 2007

does anyone know is there a time bar for charges for treason?

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written by Kamale , September 04, 2007

Considering that the report was given to the government in 2004 and bearing in mind that Moi came out strongly against Kibaki on the referendum in 2005, if the report really meant much, then that is when politically it would have made sense to release the same. It is difficult to say today that Kibaki has been protecting Moi for his own political survival when he would have used it when it really mattered in 2005 since most of those named in the report were anti-waki draft!

Get serious! I missed this
written by Job , September 11, 2007

I missed some of these petty (personalized) choreographs in the name of rebutals. To set the record straight, I am no simpleton that plagiarises dull, third-rated articles that can't pass for publication in any worthy paper.

I posted my own rebutal to an article in JUKWAA titled above and only expressed consent to emmo who requested to re-post it here. It would be best to stick to the topic above rather than try cheap, baseless & unwarranted personal attacks.

A seperate thread at this site may be the last place to consider as the best reference resource for plagiarism nor any worthy citation. As for the one wondering how I spend my weekends -keep wondering fella. Justice Without Vengeance is the topic here Sir.

This is MY LAST WORD ON THIS.

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written by Stephen Wanyama , September 11, 2007

Job,
I did not mean what I said kwa ubaya. I am not alleging plagiarism, it's just that your article and Stephen Wainaina's say the same thing, but end up making very different conclusions. Where he decides that Raila's tactics are indicative of a deceitful and duplicitous nature, you see in them political tact and wisdom.

Can the real Raila please stan
written by mosaisi , September 12, 2007

It is important also to realise that it was in fact only President Kibaki who had the ultimate power to kick Moi out of Kenya's official VP residence and also it was only the he who could signify the political will to initiate prosecutions against Moi. His best intentions notwithstanding, the Lanag'ata MP had no powers to do any of that.

Mmm! The Lang'ata MP had no powers? Where did he get the powers to demolish houses hundreds of houses?

You want the president to be minister for Roads and Housing, the AG, Parliament etc without that making him a dictator.

The president delegated duties to his ministers who included Raila Odinga. When Narc took over, a Ministerial Committee on Public Properties was formed. This committee was charged with recovering grabbed public property. It is in this committee that Raila Odinga used his power as the Minister for Public Works to put on hold the repossession of Kabarnet Gardens.

Raila is proud of favor to Moi and he has openly asked Moi to back him as a way to return favor:

1. "I came to Moi’s aid when the Government wanted to take away his houses and sue him over Goldenberg during my days as the Minister for Roads,"

2. "I was censured at the Cabinet meeting for fiercely defending Moi but as then Minister for Public Works, I said Moi still deserved to retain his Kabarnet Gardens home,"

Raila is refering public property as Moi's home. Did you see that?

Do you remember citizens arresting corrupt policemen a few weeks after Narc took over? Kenyans wanted a clean nation. The wanted to break from the past. The good will was watered down by Ministers like Raila. They were interested in long term political strategy at the expense of a just nation.

It is shameful for a "reformist" like Raila to say, "Moi should be grateful. I organised his first meeting with Kibaki at State House. He should thank me by not attacking ODM unfairly."

What is interesting is that we never see Raila as part of the problem. He has created and maintained an image of an outsider. The truth is that he was a government minister and used his position to serve his interests. It is thus Fanatical of us to create excuses and spin events of the day to cast Raila in good light.
Obonyo, how do we tell when Raila is telling the truth? How do we distinguish Raila the politician from Raila the leader?

Now that you have part of Raila's brain, can you tell us if Raila really meant the things he said about his running mate Musalia Mudavadi?

"Musalia and (President) Moi know the whole truth about Goldenberg and they should come out clean.

"Mudavadi was the Finance minister in 1993. He first paid out the Sh5.8 billion in export compensation and then the Sh13.5 billion. I know what I am talking about. I stand for the truth and the VP and the President should come out and prove me wrong."

Railalettes never disappoint!
written by RCBer , September 12, 2007

Why should somebody expose his ignonance in public? It is Raila who said he protected Moi. It is his on him to come out and tell us it was a lie. Not you. Some people 'know' Raila better than Ida does.