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Written by Grace Church   
Saturday, 05 January 2008

What President Kibaki did in rigging the election was unjust and he, together with all  others involved in the travesty, should be brought to justice.

We already know the role played by Samuel Kivuitu and his Electoral Commission (ECK).  Kivuitu has recently confirmed that he was forced to participate in the rigging of the elections by threat of murder.  We do not yet know was the Chief Justice, who swore in the President, also threatened or was he a willing participant? But what we do know is that an injustice was committed against the people of Kenya, one that has brought great damage to to our country. What remains is to decide what punishment should be meted out to those complicit.

The president has committed a crime and should not be allowed to hide behind the law and constitution.  The people of Kenya have in an election rejected Kibaki but he still insists on hanging on to power. As a result of the brazen manner in which propriety, protocol and prudence were brushed aside by both Kibaki and the ECK, death and destruction have had free reign across the country.  The guardian of the constitution and laws of Kenya has forgotten for what purpose these exist, and has chosen now to hide behind them in his effort against the very people these laws are supposed to protect.  

Resolving the extent of the fraud is difficult as a recount of the ballots can not be relied upon.  In addition the Forms 16A are likely to have already disappeared in an effort to cover up Kibaki's crime. This however should not let Kibaki off, not at all.

The Constitution of Kenya Chapter II, Part 1- Number 5 (The Executive) clearly gives guidelines on the Presidency, how he is elected to office.  It states, "The President shall be elected in accordance with this chapter (Chapter 5) and, thereto, with any Act of Parliament regulating the election of a president."  It is an Act of Parliament alone that gives the High Court jurisdiction to resolve presidential election issues, even though we must admit that the High Court is believed to be under the control of Kibaki and therefore unlikely to rule him out of office.

In addition to having the power to make laws that regulate the election of a president, Parliament, through a no-confidence vote, is also empowered to remove a sitting president. We need to investigate this route because it beats having people killed on the streets by the police, army or the Mungiki sect. It is true that there are challenges here, that MPs are unlikely to bring about a vote of no confidence that will result in their being sent back to the voter, but it is also true that the ODM controls parliament. it is possible for provisions to be passed that do away with this requirement.

The Kenyan Law Society, which has also come out to speak against the fraudulent election should mass its members knowledge and resources and come up with means to remove the illegitimate Kibaki, to fight for justice and to protect our democracy.  

Some are suggesting that Raila Odinga and the ODM take the travesty on the chin and work with Kibaki but this sets a precedent for repeated electoral fraud, and the violence that is guranteed to follow in its wake.

Other commentators are giving examples of how other countries, such as the USA and South Africa, would handle this situation. What they fail to point out is that the governments in both those countries had eventually to listen to what the people wanted.  In America slavery was eradicated and the constitution changed to accommodate all the American people and in South Africa Apartheid was done away with after people fought for what they believed in.  The French revolution gave the poor people power that had been denied them for centuries, and British had their own silent revolutions that gave a voice to the British people. Kenya needs hers now. Out with Kibaki and in with the change.





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written by manta ray , January 05, 2008
Unfortunately, matters are never that simple. Raila rigged too, so who will punish him? Will you accept him standing trial as much as you do not mind Kibaki being tried? For democracy to prevail, don't you think Raila should go too? Questions beget more questions, don't you think?
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written by aeichener , January 05, 2008
I agree that the deceptively easy step of a re-tally (as suggest by the Election Observer Mission as a "first step"smilies/wink.gif is likely not going to lead very far, and will if anything only add tenson and heat. Why? Quite simple:

- Suppose that a second tally of the return sheets - after throwing out the tampered-with or evidently forged ones - shows that PNU candidate has still won the presidential election, albeit with a much smaller margin. Do you think that ODM and its candidate would *ever* accept this result?

- Suppose that a second tally shows that the ODM has won, albeit by a very small margin. Don't you think that PNU will reject this result, citing further initial riggings in PNU-dominated return centers?

- Lastly, the throwing out of evidently faked return forms (78 -> 780; 21 -> 821) cannot show whether irregularities already occured during the primary counting on polling station level. While the process seems to be have a lot more transparent on this level, there have also been some improprieties.

- The main and crucial sin was not to announce ALL initial results immediately and publicly on polling station level, and to supervise the transmission of these results properly. Now, numerous of the return forms are alleged to have been lost or to have been destroyed. Both sides evidently can profit from that.

- Stop blaming the old man in state house. One can very reasonably ask whether he hides there, or rather is being hidden there. The haphazard, clumsily brazen, last-minute riggings esp. in Central province were definitely NOT a pre-planned scheme, but an emergency action of local potentates, often on polling centre level. They may have acted on their own (we are losing! "they" have rigged us! now we must respond in kind!), or may have received phone orders from te power cabal in Nairobi, but old man Kibaki quite certainly did not order this, shielded by his handlers as he is.

- I agree that Kibaki must first form a government of either national unity or national majority (Kalonzo seems now ready for a coalition), and must then as soon as feasible as possible prepare new elections.

- Elections that should neither see Kibaki nor Raila as candidate again. Maybe the lightly joking suggestion of a friend ("neither a Kikuyu nor a Luo president shall be admissible and electable"smilies/wink.gif deserves a more earnest pondering.

Alexander
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Bwana KO
written by Kamau Ochieng , January 05, 2008
(Initial insult moderated. Ed.)

How does removing one devil to elect another make peace???
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written by aeichener , January 05, 2008
Grace: you use the word "revolution" in the end of your article.

have you ever studied the history of the Haitian Revolution and the 200 years after?

If not, do so. This revolution offers some of the proudest, and its bicentenary aftermath some of the most shameful leaves of black history.

Alexander
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Kibaki to the Hague
written by Ottie , January 05, 2008
Committed, Michuki, and all members of the Gerentology National Unity (GNU) shud be prosecuted for crimes against Kenya. That Rattle snake Michuki should be first ringed with a tire. By teh way, where is old man Moi?
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Kibaki\'s \'win\'
written by Mwambu , January 05, 2008
Germany's Development Minister Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul is right on the mark with her suggestion that EU aid to Kenya could be frozen if Kibaki spurns international offers of mediation. Equally impressive is France's Bernard Kouchner's comment, "the Kenyans elections were tottally rigged...the Americans and British know that... as well."

Boycott Kenya.
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written by magothe , January 06, 2008
Please don't turn lies into facts. Where for example did Kivuiti say he was threatned with murder? Did Raila not rig in Nyanza-or is that not a travesty of justice to you?
What of the 4m who voted for Kibz throughout our great nation? Aren't they Kenyans? Who told you Raila is change? He is worth Ksh4bn you know?
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FYI - (...) APOLOGISTS
written by Iqbal Halani , January 06, 2008
Hate speech deleted. Ed.
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written by KenyaMpya , January 07, 2008
Kibaki is a disgrace. Funny your name is Grace. You hit the nail on the head. Kibaki lost if Raila and he should step down
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God 4bid
written by gachango. A. Python , January 07, 2008
Those against kibakis win can go hang. kibaki rigged so? Raila is a dictator so? two wrongs will never make a right. Had Raila taken the leadership (God forbid), the kind of anarchy and carnage manifesting now, would have led to genocide.
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re: Bwana KO
written by Mfalme Jeta , January 07, 2008
look bwana,

Kenyans elected Raila, it was not up to Kibaki and his ECK plants to decide otherwise. If that were the case we would have asked ECK to select a president for us. My solution to this problem is simple. Another presidential election ASAP or street protests until Kibaki is gone. The guy lost in all provinces and even in the province Raila performed poorly, Central and Eastern, he still managed respectable number of votes. Raila is the leader Kenya elected and anything else is an insult that will keep causing bloodshed.

(Initial insult moderated. Ed.)

How does removing one devil to elect another make peace???


Kibaki should show his leadership skills by stepping down to stop further bloodshed. Kenyan must keep up the pressure on Kibaki until he's removed.
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Replacing leaders
written by RHM , January 07, 2008
I agree with 'Python', totally. It's a matter of choosing between two 'devils'. I would personally choose the known one than the unknown..., yet.

Raila is a known rabble rouser and hence, his leadership is suspect No. 1! He has made no move to reduce the carnage going on in the country, yet...., or has he? Those rampaging 'youth', are not even thinking that they are hurting themselves, now and in the forseeable future in more ways than one. Raila is simply basking in they misplaced 'adulation', with no harm coming his way.

What we actually need very urgently is the implementation of the new Constitution which has by-passed everybody's minds. This chaos might not have happened IF, it was in place.

The following is something I received from a good friend out in Canada...:

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Demonstration Against

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December 27 Elections was a fraud
Kibaki is in Office Illegally
We demand immediate expulsion of Kenyan High Commissioner from Canada since there is no legally constituted government in Kenya
Trade Embargo and sanctions until demands are met

Canada should ratify the U.N Declaration on the Rights Of Indigenous People to domesticate

"Free Prior and Informed Consent" as opposed to "Free Entry"



We urge Canada to focus on the root cause of election crisis in Kenya - the larger deep-seated and long running problem of a stalled transition. The elite, who served during the previous Moi dictatorial regime, hijacked the process of moving Kenya from one-party dictatorship to a true functioning democracy. They are the ones who amassed wealth illegally, grabbed land, practiced corruption, and used ethnicity for personal political gain. (For example, the colonialists alienated the land belonging to the Maasai and Kikuyu, but after a negotiated independence the land was not returned to its rightful owners, but grabbed by the elite and multinational corporations. The Government forced the landless Kikuyus to seek land in the Kalenjin's traditional homeland, the Rift Valley, creating simmering ethnic tensions, which have erupted at this time). The average citizen of Kenya is a captive victim of this charade of pseudo-reformists, who are only interested in ascending to positions of leadership.



What is being fought over is who will have a say in granting mining and oil prospecting rights, and becomes partners of multinational corporations. The constitution that can guarantee the people the right to their natural resources, and thus political and economic sustainability, has been frustrated. The political elite frustrate reforms because it would threaten the ongoing plunder by multinational exploitative forces. As a result, basic things that are taken for granted in functioning democracies, such as free and fair elections, are not constitutionally streamlined, because it might give the people undue influence over the affairs of their country.



CCR-Kenya has warned many times over the last two years about the dangers of holding elections using the current constitution. It is reckless, opportunistic, negligent, and callous for anybody to think again of holding elections in Kenya under a constitution that has so many booby traps for political and constitutional crises that it is a miracle that Kenya has made it safely this far.



The fact that Kenya has held relatively peaceful elections in the last 15 years does not mean that Kenya is capable of holding free and fair elections or that Kenya cannot revert to one-person dictatorship or ethnic clashes or even full scale civil war. Kenya's current constitution is a disaster waiting to happen.



Kenyans cannot afford to count votes, tally results or hold another election (runoff) under the current constitution. The human cost would be too high.



Only a new constitution can protect Kenyans from the murderous wrath of an all, powerful executive seeking to retain power by any means. Only a new constitution can ensure that Kenyans can control their internal democracy to determine how they use their natural resources, and external sovereignty to withstand blackmail from multinational exploitative forces. (For example, the Kenyan elite hands a mineral like titanium, which has immense economic potential to get Kenyans out of poverty, to Canada-based Tiomin Resources Inc., literally free of charge under the "free entry" system).





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written by a guest , January 07, 2008
There is a much easier way. look the more this situation continues the worse it gets. there is a stupid assumption that when raila and Kibaki meet, the violence will end. the truth is that the violence is fast growing faster than those two men. Mungiki is rapidly recruiting and in hundreds especially in the R. Valley. Other gangs are regrouping in the slums. Soon, the decision on whether to normalize the country will slip out of kibaki or raila's hands.

First we need to agree that the recent election was a fraud. there is no one who dis agrees with this. lets push for another election soonest. Kibaki might refuse but here is where the kikuyu might play apart. Kyuks need to pressue Kibaki to call another election. really because as long as Kibaki remains, we and the world is powerless to condem and act on the atrocities being committed in Eldoret. We know that they have nothing to do with the elections but we lack the moral authority when we back a thief in goverment.

Again Please bwana raila, be a bigger man than your rival. reach out to the kikuyus in a bigger way than you have. Allay their fears of you and co-opt them in your crusade aganist Kibaki. Opposition to Kibaki from kyuks would sink the kibaki goverment faster than a stone. Like all Kenyans Kyuks want the bloodshed to end but the posturing of ODm coupled by the deaths are only serving to bring the country closer to the edge.
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re: Conciliation
written by aeichener , January 07, 2008
Again: Please bwana Raila, be a bigger man than your rival. reach out to the Kikuyus in a bigger way than you have.


The same is true for Kibaki though. As president sworn-in, he has the duty the be a president for all Kenyans; also for those who did not vote for him. He should be the first to reach out a hand of grace, concession and conciliation to those communities who feel marginalized.

Raila's ODM had conducted a polarizing tribalist hate campaign for months; the backfiring effect of this campaign however was a singularly high voter turnout in Central (even the sick and bedridden and the near-blind elders were carried and guided to the polling stations) and a defensively uniform vote for the incumbent.

Alexander
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re: Replacing leaders
written by aeichener , January 07, 2008
I agree with 'Python', totally. It's a matter of choosing between two 'devils'. (...)
Raila is a known rabble rouser and hence, his leadership is suspect No. 1! He has made no move to reduce the carnage going on in the country, yet...., or has he?


To be honest, he has. But he has spoken and is speaking with two mouths. With the mouth in front, he is asking for peace. With the mouth in his nape, he call for new and stronger demonstrations (since the previous ones all failed badly), actually tries to stop the police from protecting the victims, and already ominously, with a self-fulfilling prophecy calls for new bloodshed to be heaped upon the shoulders of the old and new president.

Kibaki is a weak president who clings to his seat; but his opponent is rapidly becoming a bood-baying ogre.

What we actually need very urgently is the implementation of the new Constitution which has by-passed everybody's minds.


Let me as a constitutional lawyer tell you that a constitution is NOT a panacea against all evils. All communist Eastern European dictatorships had excellent constitutions - on the paper.

Nevertheless, Kenya without a doubt needs a new constitution urgently, and it should be close to the Bomas draft.

Alexander
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ODM manifesto
written by magothe , January 07, 2008
Sadly we now know what majimbo would have portended for "Kenyans" in Rv and Coast.
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The only devil here is Kibaki
written by Murage , January 07, 2008
Dude,

How is Raila a devil? What has he done to make him a devil? Let me guess, you wanna blame him for the violence in Kenya now.

(Initial insult moderated. Ed.)

How does removing one devil to elect another make peace???


The violence was spontaneous and it was triggered by the blatant vote-rigging and the hasty swearing-in of Kibaki in a bedroom ceremony.

You see Kenyans are not fools and I don't know how people who now support Kibaki even after broke the law and performed a coup would react were Raila or Moi to do the same. We must compel Kibaki to step down and ensure another election is conducted to give the president the legitimacy required to effectively lead a nation like Kenya.

Kibaki is the only devil here my friend.
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Media
written by Python. Gachango , January 07, 2008
Kenyan media is a devil that needs to be contained. The lack of ethics to control the content to be aired is a loophole in our constitution. The fueling of the violence we witnessed was media making. Kenyans need peace journalists not just news for the sake of it.

Ask yourself whether in Kisumu journalists were going to cover buildings and cars being burnt, or were cars and buildings burnt because journalist were there. Shame on them!!

Showing us Raila inspecting the dead in the city mortuary should be condemned with strongest terms!! What value does it add to mourning Kenyans. If this was not incitement, what is it then. What prove have you, that what we saw were clashes' victims, or strategically placed bodies just to fuel more massacre and mass execution of rival tribes. Think twice!!
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re: ODM manifesto
written by aeichener , January 07, 2008
Sadly we now know what majimbo would have portended for "Kenyans" in Rv and Coast.


Hm. It is worthwhile to note that the Catholic Bishops (via the KEC) jointly had warned before of exactly such consequences, and were at the time viciously attacked by ODMers for exactly their circumspect warning and cautioning.

Alexander
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Raila rigged too?
written by Murage , January 07, 2008
Why do people clutch on straws? Raila's rigging doesn't count here my friend. Raila had no control over the process and any failures as a result cannot be blamed on him.

Besides, Raila called for a recount of all the 210 votes while PNU refused. Why did PNU refuse, if PNU really believed Raila rigged, the only way to proved would have been through a recount. And also I've looked at the news and I haven't seen any report showing a constituency that rigged in favor of Raila. Are you making up things now--like Kalonzo the man with illusions of grandeur?

Unfortunately, matters are never that simple. Raila rigged too, so who will punish him? Will you accept him standing trial as much as you do not mind Kibaki being tried? For democracy to prevail, don't you think Raila should go too? Questions beget more questions, don't you think?


There are no questions here. Kibaki lost the election and he used his position as the incumbent to push his war to a fresh swearing in. We're not going to sit and allow such blatant abuse of the constitution.

Kibaki must step down and make room for the facilitation of a more credible election process.
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Murage
written by Timothy Wainaina , January 07, 2008
I wonder at all these people hiding behind pseudonyms while engaging in the most nonsensical arguments.
There were extra-ordinary voter turnouts in Nyanza and Rift Valley provinces, there was a ban on PNU agents in Nyanza province. There were incredible irregularities in Rarieda, in Langata and across the ODM territory. I am afraid thought that you will never be brought to admit that.

I have never once met an ODM supporter who could argue in a coherent manner, who had any time for facts, or who could be persuaded to change his mind, not even when he was clearly wrong.

As for Grace Church, well you forget the little matter that Mwai Kibaki won more than 4 million votes. I am not an ODM headbanger, so I will concede that there was rigging, and that we cannot tell what the true result would have been. Still it is unlikely that there would have been more than 3-4 points between the two candidates, which is why we simply cannot disregard the other side.

Now to the urgent task of pinching some of your MPs.
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written by Timothy Wainaina , January 07, 2008
Perhaps because he has been selling hatred of the Agikuyu like it was going out of fashion? Perhaps because he keeps insisting that the Kenya police do nothing about looters, arsonists and violent madmen, and then protests of a genocide when the police step in? Perhaps because his nihilism demands nothing short of a capitulation of everything before his outstretched fist? Kiss me or die? Enough reason?

Why have he and Ruto not yet gone to Eldoret? To Kisumu? They are loving the gore fest no?
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Raila rigged more.
written by Stephen Wanyama , January 07, 2008
Raila's rigging doesn't count here my friend. Raila had no control over the process and any failures as a result cannot be blamed on him.

Kenya's Electoral system is very grass-root oriented, ODM people (by ethnicity) control the elections in ODM zones and anti-ODM people in other zones. In Nyanza and RVP the ODM did control the polling stations, in the same way that the PNU did in Central Kenya.
Besides, Raila called for a recount of all the 210 votes while PNU refused. Why did PNU refuse, if PNU really believed Raila rigged, the only way to proved would have been through a recount.

Martha Karua was the very first MP to make this suggestion, a total recount not just in Nithi or Molo but across the country, it was Kivuitu who turned her down. Archbishop Tutu has also come out against this, both of them for the reason expounded on at least three articles here, i.e. there is no way to account for the integrity of the electoral forms or the votes.

And also I've looked at the news and I haven't seen any report showing a constituency that rigged in favor of Raila. Are you making up things now--like Kalonzo the man with illusions of grandeur?

I have noted that the ODM has now taken to attacking Kalonzo Musyoka simply because he is asking for peace. We would much rather burn all the buildings, eh?
There are no questions here. Kibaki lost the election and he used his position as the incumbent to push his war to a fresh swearing in. We're not going to sit and allow such blatant abuse of the constitution.

Kibaki did not lose the election. Neither you nor I can tell if he did or did not. I have noticed elsewhere that you and people of ugly minds and hearts like yourself are trying to suggest that the GEMA votes do not count, that the fact that Raila 'won' six provinces should make him president, even if he lost the national vote!

I suggest there is little room in this country for your type.
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written by kixxie , January 07, 2008
I respect every writer - but how many of the people who went to vote knew that they were voting for? Most of us sit in the comfort of our own homes abroad behind our laptops and continue living in the city of the blind.

I worry about the people who are supposed to be leading our country, they have so much in common; we need young faces detached from the colonial era and with a view to unite Kenya and not relishing on the tribal lines.
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re: Raila rigged more.
written by Murage , January 07, 2008
Edited.

Mr. Wanyama, first of all I want to wish you a happy new year.

Raila's rigging doesn't count here my friend. Raila had no control over the process and any failures as a result cannot be blamed on him.


Kenya's Electoral system is very grass-root oriented, ODM people (by ethnicity) control the elections in ODM zones and anti-ODM people in other zones. In Nyanza and RVP the ODM did control the polling stations, in the same way that the PNU did in Central Kenya.


You may have a point here but there is no evidence of rigging in those areas just mere speculation. You're just pursuing the simplistic PNU argument that since the numbers were high in ODM strongholds, ODM must have stolen too. I heard Martha Karua's standard one argument that goes like this "We didn't complain when you were posting high numbers why are you complaining about ours?" You see this argument is so silly I couldn't believe it came from a lawyer. Nobody stopped PNU from questioning ODM's numbers, in fact ECK policy allows for that. I found that argument shallow and kinda back and forthish for the sake of petty argument. But in the case of ODM, the agents in Meru released figures and gave an account of the irregularities. There is a difference bruh.

Besides, Raila called for a recount of all the 210 votes while PNU refused. Why did PNU refuse, if PNU really believed Raila rigged, the only way to proved would have been through a recount.


Martha Karua was the very first MP to make this suggestion, a total recount not just in Nithi or Molo but across the country, it was Kivuitu who turned her down. Archbishop Tutu has also come out against this, both of them for the reason expounded on at least three articles here, i.e. there is no way to account for the integrity of the electoral forms or the votes.


Now you bring in Tutu. Dude, Tutu was not there and his sentiments have no bearing on the things that happened at the heat of the moment because they're after the fact. Tutu also criticized the Kibaki regime on it failure to deal with corruption and perpetuating tribalism on CNN, did you see that? Good.
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And also I've looked at the news and I haven't seen any report showing a constituency that rigged in favor of Raila. Are you making up things now--like Kalonzo the man with illusions of grandeur?


I have noted that the ODM has now taken to attacking Kalonzo Musyoka simply because he is asking for peace. We would much rather burn all the buildings, eh?


Ati Kalonzo is asking for peace? Are you kidding me? Kalonzo is an opportunist who's in for himself. He's exploiting a very unfortunate situation for a high position in a PNU government. In fact I don't see Kalonzo participating in a run -off, he'll choose to back Kibaki. (...) But we learned that Kalonzo was busy working behind the scenes doing Kibaki's bidding by coercing Kivuitu to release flawed results. (...)

There are no questions here. Kibaki lost the election and he used his position as the incumbent to push his war to a fresh swearing in. We're not going to sit and allow such blatant abuse of the constitution.



Kibaki did not lose the election. Neither you nor I can tell if he did or did not. I have noticed elsewhere that you and people of ugly minds and hearts like yourself are trying to suggest that the GEMA votes do not count, that the fact that Raila 'won' six provinces should make him president, even if he lost the national vote!


If you were following KTN's reports play-by-play, you'd know Kibaki lost to Raila by more than 700,000 votes. And Raila did not just carry 6 out of eight provinces, he win was decisive and commanding, why would Kibaki employ clandestine methods of getting back to power if he was sure he won legitimately? Your guess is as good as mine. Kibaki planned this to the end. The end is the Gicheru courts and Raila and ODM are smart enough not to give Kibaki the satisfaction of him seeing them annihilated by Gicheru and his Kibaki plants in our judiciary.
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written by manta ray , January 07, 2008
Anger control via editing... ;-) Ed.

Murage, or Dr Rage from Mashada (...) stop twisting facts to suit your arguments. The first person to ask for a recount for all 210 constituencies was Martha Karua. As she did so, she was shouted down by Kajwang's younger brother [can't remember his name] and Miguna Miguna.

Unless ODM reign in their fanaticism and and their screaming hordes get their thumbs out of their nether regions fast, they will be overtaken by events in a very fluid and fast changing situation.
If you haven't noticed, Raila HAS NOT MANAGED TO get EVEN ONE of his demands met. He has already changed his position five or six times since the elections.

The next thing that will happen is that Kibaki will accept international mediators and string them along for as long as possible while poaching MPs from ODM. He is about to name his Cabinet. THE KIBAKI SUCCESSION WAR IS ABOUT TO BEGIN, AND RAILA IS STILL TALKING REVOLUTION?!
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Refusing to see reality
written by Wuod Aketch , January 07, 2008
Do you know that Kibaki's tribesmen are suffering and fleeing every region of Kenya? Do you know that many have found refuge in the neighbouring countries?
These refugees may never recover their businesses or start new ones anywhere in this country, if things are not resolved the proper way i.e Kibaki throwing in the towel. Kibaki thinks that he won but I think he is only cheating himself - he will never tour any part of the country the way things are. He will have to ask Raila gently to escort him to all the provinces. I think he his already persona non grata even in his province. Nobody will ever come out to welcome him as president.
If I was Kibaki, I would start early, resign and end the suffering of my people.
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re: Laakini
written by A Kenya first, a Kikuyu last , January 08, 2008
I suggest that Kikuyus vote for Raila in the re-run, otherwise, where will they go?

Secondly, that way the other 41 tribes can see that you can co-operate.


You think Kikuyus should apologize for voting the way they do? You preach democracy for all Kenyans except the Kikuyu, who should vote for Ralia or else?

My friend, Kikuyus are in Kenya to stay, through thick and thin, for better or worse....this is not a marriage that you can annul.

In my opinion, all Kenyans should be very grateful and thankful that the people of Central province have so far acted with self restraint, and avoided being drawn into revenge attacks, for the most part.

To my fellow kikuyus, keep up the self restraint. Revenge is NOT the way to go.
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re: devil
written by Murage , January 08, 2008
Wainaina,

Raila has not told the police to allow looters to go on their looting unchecked. What devil is in your head boy? What Raila is objecting to if is the use of excessive force to fight petty criminals or opportunistic poor people. Surely you don't think those 100 people including children killed in Kisumu deserved the bullet. And how come Kibaki chose to give only the cops operating in Kisumu the shoot-to-kill orders? Was he expressing his sentiment against Luos?

Let me see what other bull you have here...

Perhaps because he has been selling hatred of the Agikuyu like it was going out of fashion? Perhaps because he keeps insisting that the Kenya police do nothing about looters, arsonists and violent madmen, and then protests of a genocide when the police step in? Perhaps because his nihilism demands nothing short of a capitulation of everything before his outstretched fist? Kiss me or die? Enough reason?

Why have he and Ruto not yet gone to Eldoret? To Kisumu? They are loving the gore fest no?


Why hasn't Kibaki, the 'legal' illegal president visited the violence-affected areas? Is he loving the gore his cops are unleashing on people?

You have nothing on Raila that's why you grapple on straws with wild accusations. But I can tell you these facts about Kibaki.

He's not a good man.

He has denied his second family (Wambui PNU activist) he never struggled for Kenya, even his presidency was won on other people's back. He presided over the worst torture history of our nation as VP and minister of home affairs. During his tenure prisons were death holes and political prisoners ended poorly. Ask Kenneth Matiba for details.

Kibaki should never have been president. He has proven that his hunger for power goes well beyond reason. He has allowed the deaths of close to 1,000 Kenyans indirectly by stealing the election.

So we all know where the real devil and his wife resides in our nation-- Statehouse.
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Patriotism
written by Python. Gachango. A. , January 08, 2008
Murage Stop preaching tribal hatred here. Keep your Luo sentiments and kikuyu repugnance to yourself. Right now, we are seeking for true patriotic Kenyans to unit the divided nation and not some tribal chiefs trying to express their shollow intellect here. Whether kibaki or raila should be president, is none of dying Kenyans problem, we want peace. There are institutions and right procedures to follow to give the verdict. Someone will need to do a lot more, to convince me, if this site is a courtroom to verify allegations of rigging and crap!!
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written by james , January 08, 2008
Lets all allow democracy to prevail,a rerun supervised and managed by the UN,that will clear all doughts instead of us exchanging bitter words and lies,or else Why dont we just fight,then 10yrs down the line we see who wins
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