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Thursday, 07 February 2008

The chairman of the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNHCR), Maina Kiai, yesterday (Wednesday) addressed the US House subcommittee on Africa and Global Health. Published here is a transcript of his speech.

BACKGROUND

   1. Thank you for this opportunity to discuss the crisis in Kenya. My name is Maina Kiai and I am the Chairperson of the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR), an independent state body charged with protecting and promoting human rights in Kenya. Previously, I served as founding Executive Director of the Kenya Human Rights Commission, a non-profit organization based in Kenya; Africa Director at Amnesty International in London; Africa Director at the International Human Rights Law Group (now Global Rights) based here in Washington DC; and Research Fellow at TransAfrica Forum also here in Washington DC.  I speak on behalf of the KNCHR, as well as for Kenyans for Peace through Truth and Justice (KPTJ), a coalition bringing together more than 50 human rights, legal and governance groups in Kenya.


   2. Kenya is at a cross-road that will mean either the complete disintegration of Kenya or the beginning of a new, more democratic, sustainable nation suited to the needs and aspirations of the Kenyan people in the 21st Century. In a deeply painful and costly manner--in terms of lives lost and destruction wrought—the crisis in Kenya has given the country a unique opportunity to move forward in a way that we have been advocating for the last 20 years. In a sense, Kenya is at its “civil war” moment that the US was at in 1861. Just as that war was pivotal in establishing and solidifying the democratic credentials of the US, this moment could lead Kenya to much greater heights if properly handled both domestically and internationally.


   3. In this context, the mediation currently going on under the leadership of Kofi Annan, Graca Machel and Ben Mkapa is the last best chance for Kenya to move forward. Whatever can be done to keep the players at the table, and keep them there in good faith, is critical. And efforts that delay, or subvert the talks—whether through insensitive statements and actions or by trying to prolong the talks through acts of filibustering—must be condemned. Consistent regional and international pressure is necessary especially on the hardliners who think that the crisis will blow over. The consequences of the failure of the mediation efforts are too dire to imagine not just for Kenya but for the region.


   4. What is going on in Kenya is a political crisis with ethnic manifestation because politics in Kenya is organized ethnically. Clearly there are cleavages and differences in Kenyan society that have erupted brutally to the surface. But these have erupted due to the failure of peaceful means of resolving and addressing these differences, including the failure of elections and political reforms promised to Kenya in the 2002 elections.


   5. The crisis in Kenya was foreseeable. In March 2007, the KNCHR submitted a memorandum to President Kibaki urging him to maintain the “gentleman’s agreement” that had been in place since 1997 whereby all parliamentary parties made nominations for appointment to the Electoral Commission of Kenya. We argued that unilateral abandonment of the agreement would likely invite chaos and instability were the elections disputed. Moreover, since January 2006 we witnessed consistent attempts by the state to reduce democratic space and instil fear in society.  

THE EXTENT OF THE CRISIS

   6. Some 1000 people have been killed in the one month since violence erupted on December 30, 2007. Note that 3000 people were killed between 1992 and 1998 in the state instigated clashes in the country. During that same period, more than 300,000 people were internally displaced, most of whom have not returned to their farms and homes. In the month since the elections, an additional 300,000 people have been internally displaced.


   7. Part of the reason why militia—on both sides—have been so potent and dangerous is that they arose from the earlier violence of the 1990s and were never de-mobilized. Nor was there a process to deal with the root causes of that violence, with the Kibaki government choosing to sweep the matter under the carpet, despite campaign promises to the contrary. With grievances bubbling and fermenting close to the surface, it was relatively easy to reactivate the militia using methods similar to those of the 1990s. Most important, the paymasters and planners of the 1990s clashes were never held accountable.


   8. It is estimated that in the month since the crisis started the Kenyan economy has lost about US $3 billion and about 400,000 jobs. Moreover the crisis has severely affected the economies of Uganda, Rwanda, Eastern DR Congo, and Southern Sudan and could bring them to ruin if not checked. All these nations have a history of conflict and violence that could be reawakened by economic collapse.


   9. We have observed 4 forms of violence:

i)        Spontaneous uprisings of mobs protesting the flaws in the presidential elections. These mobs looted, raped and burnt down buildings in an anarchical manner.

ii)       Violence organized by ODM-supporting militia in the Rift Valley that was aimed at perceived political opponents. The initial militia action attracted organized counter-violence from PNU supporters especially in Nakuru, Naivasha areas of the Rift Valley, and Nairobi.

iii)     Excessive use of force by the police in ways suggesting “shoot to kill” orders against unarmed protesters mainly in ODM strongholds including Kisumu, Kakamega, Migori, and the Kibera slum of Nairobi. Policing has been uneven in its implementation. In some strong ODM areas, the police have been shooting to kill, while when confronted with pro-PNU militia, they have opted to negotiate with the groups. However, in the Eldoret area, the police largely stood by and watched as pro-PNU supporters were killed and their houses burnt.

iv)     Local militia in pro-PNU areas, on receiving internally displaced persons (IDPs) from the Rift Valley, have mobilized in sympathy and turned on perceived ODM supporters, killing them, and burning their houses.

10.  The violence is neither genocide nor ethnic cleansing: The root of the problem is not that different ethnic groups decided they could no longer live together. The root of the problem is the inability of peaceful means to address grievances. For this to be genocide there would have to be either state complicity or state collapse and the first obligation would be for the state to provide adequate security for those at risk. Instead we have uneven and selective policing with emphasis on preventing Raila Odinga from holding protests in Nairobi rather than protecting IDPs and others at risk across the country. We therefore believe that the quickest and most effective way to reduce the violence is progress in the current talks.

THE ELECTION TRIGGER

11.  It is clear that the flagrant effort to steal the presidential election was the immediate trigger for the violence. All independent observers have said that the tallying process was so flawed that it is impossible to tell who won the presidential election. Since 1992, Kenya’s elections have been progressively better and fairer, culminating in the 2002 elections which were the best ever, and the 2005 constitutional referendum. The effect of this progression is that Kenyans finally believed in the power of the vote as a way of peacefully resolving differences, a fact confirmed by voting trends in the recent parliamentary elections that saw almost 70 percent of incumbents lose their seats. When this sense of empowerment was subverted, and peaceful legal spaces for protests were disallowed, it is not surprising that frustrations boiled over and violence ensued.

  12. We have documented some of the facts and analysis that make clear that the flaws in the tallying of presidential votes rendered untenable the conclusion that Mwai Kibaki was validly elected.


  13. With the benefit of hindsight, there were steps taken that paint a picture of a well orchestrated plan to ensure a pre-determined result. These include:

i)        President Kibaki’s decision to abrogate the agreement of 1997 on the formula for appointments to the Electoral Commission ensuring that all the Commissioners were appointed by him alone;

ii)       An administrative decision within the ECK to give responsibility to Commissioners for their home regions, something that had never been done before, meaning that they appointed all the election officials in the constituencies in their home regions, in a manner that created conflicts of interest;

iii)     The rejection of an offer from IFES to install a computer program that would enable election officials in the constituencies to submit results electronically to Nairobi and then on to a giant screen available to the public making it virtually impossible to change results;

iv)     A decision to abandon the use of ECK staff in the Verification and Tallying Centre in favour of casual staff provided by the Commissioners directly; and

v)      A refusal to ensure that election officials in areas with large predictable majorities for any of the candidates came from different areas so as to reduce the likelihood of ballot stuffing.

WAY FORWARD AND ROLE OF US CONGRESS AND GOVERNMENT

  14.  At this “constitutional moment” that Kenya has reached, we believe the way forward must be centred on truth and justice as the only sustainable road to peace and development. This is the time for Kenya to end the impunity that has been a feature of our history since independence, and also to end the “winner take all” “first past the post” system. Specifically, we call for:

i)        An international independent investigation into the 2007 presidential election process in order to come to closure on the elections, find out who did what and why;  who ordered it; and promote accountability;

ii)       An international independent investigation into the post election violence—from citizens and police--so that there is accountability on all sides.

iii)     An interim transitional government to be formed with limited powers of governance and for a limited time--between 1 and 2 years—with Kibaki and Odinga exercising equal powers.

iv)     The primary duties of this interim government should be to undertake constitutional reform, and especially explore ways of reforming the current Imperial Presidency; motivate electoral reforms, police reforms, judicial reforms, land reforms, civil service reforms, devolution of power; and conduct new elections at the end of its term.

v)      The interim government should also be charged with cooling passions and starting the process of reconciliation through a Truth Justice and Reconciliation Commission that starts operations immediately after the new elections. It is important that presidential elections be held at the end of the interim government to inspire confidence in Kenya’s electoral processes, and as a sign of the new Kenya.

vi)     It is also important to note that significant work in all of these areas of reform has already been done in various constitutional drafts and also by Government Commissions and Task Forces so Kenya would not be starting from scratch.

15.  To ensure that there is good faith in the mediation it is imperative that the U.S. Government work with the rest of the international community to maintain pressure on Kenya’s leaders to treat the mediation with utmost seriousness. To this end, we welcome U.S .leadership in raising the crisis in Kenya at the UN Security Council, and call for pressure at this level to be maintained and increased.

16.  We also urge Congress to request the release of the exit poll conducted by International Republican Institute (IRI) without delay so as to maintain pressure on all sides to negotiate in good faith. In addition, we urge Congress to work with the EU to have the EU Observation Mission Report released immediately.

17.  In case of continued intransigence from any of the parties we call on Congress to impose travel bans on the hardliners on both sides and especially those implicated in instigating violence whether through militia or through the police. These travel bans should extend to hardliners in the civil service and to their immediate families.

18.  Moreover, assets of the hardliners and those involved in violence should be traced and the assets frozen.

19.  Finally, it is important that U.S. military and security assistance be frozen immediately. All US assistance to Kenya should be channelled through non-governmental sources.

Thank you for this opportunity to address these matters affecting democracy, peace and security, not just in Kenya but also in the East African region.

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Transcript courtesy of the United States House of Representatives, House Committee on Foreign Affairs .  


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written by aeichener , February 08, 2008
Allow me to disagree with you on this point. I indeed believe that Maina is deeply dishonest, and abuses his supposedly neutral position to propagate his very personal political views. Now one may well agree with these views and political aims (or not), but it is a violation of KNHRC's mandate and duties, and greatly jeopardizes the commission's work and credibility.

He has already in the past oriented KNHRC's activity purely on his personal political preferences, and not on human rights' needs. Vide KI's experience with him w.r.t. Mount Elgon.

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written by observer , February 08, 2008
Is the man crazy has he looked up the defiant of ethnic cleaning, just in case here are a few examples? How is it that what is going on in Kenya is not ethnic cleaning?
Definitions of ethnic cleansing on the Web:
First definition, Red Cross Definition The mass expulsion or extermination of people from a minority ethnic or religious group within a certain area and who, in many instances, had forcibly displacing or exterminating an ethnic population from a particular area in order to assert the identity and power of another ethnic group.
And another Literal translation of the Serbo-Croatian/Croato-Serbian term etnicko ciscenje, which was used in mass media reports as early as 1981. The term derived its current meaning during the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina, probably as part of military vocabulary.

And another The mass expulsion and killing of one ethic or religious group in an area by another ethnic or religious group in that area.

Ethnic cleansing refers to various policies or practices aimed at the displacement of an ethnic group from a particular territory. The term entered English and international usage in the early 1990s to describe certain events in the former Yugoslavia, with the violent cleansing of Bosniaks. And another one

I find it fascinating that he chooses to ignore the hate speech and incitement that was carried out by both sides on the vernacular radio stations as well as the hate text messages. These actions contributed greatly to Kenyans feeling that this was a very high stakes game.
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Second attempt-posting error
written by Ishara , February 08, 2008
Excerpt of article from Daily Nation by Advocate D. B. Kipkorir. Full length article is Premium Content, subscription required

The returning officer is obliged in law to then fill Forms 16, 16A and 17A, which set out the results and the votes cast for each presidential and parliamentary candidates. The statutory forms are signed by the officer and the candidates

Ishara, you have our most profuse apologies, the system suffers a glitch that on occasion truncates posts at the point where the following punctuation marks are used, apostrophes, dashes and quotation marks. Kindly re-post your comment, taking care not to use these marks. Eds.
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Maina Kiai on NPR, Evidence of
written by Ishara , February 08, 2008
Here is an audio link to the Kiai testimony.
Listen here.
The returning officer is obliged in law to then fill Forms 16, 16A and 17A, which set out the results and the votes cast for each presidential and parliamentary candidates. The statutory forms are signed by the officer and the candidates
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written by kobangoshe , February 08, 2008
Even as the post violence talks get into end of the 2nd week, we still see people who are bent on causing rift between amongst Kenyans. Reading through Kiay's speech, it is clear that he is not neutral and he is conveying a message shared by those he talks for, not Kenyans in their majority. He talks of US and her role over Kenya as if Kenya were a state under the congress or a province in Iraq.
Kiay's dishonesty is an abuse of the office he represents, and his credibility is questionable. Why did he wait for the skirmishes to come and die out with such a disastrous result, if he knew Electoral Commission of Kenya had deliberately set itself to flaw the lectoral process? Why does Kiay owe so much allegiance to a foreign power at the expense of Kenyans whose rights he is tasked to monitor and oversee?

The proposed way forward appears to have been crafted well after the Kofi Annan mediation talks came up with it a agenda. What value does Kiay add other than to chew Annan's cud? The so called solutions are Kiay's own selfish thoughts, and it is surprising to see how the congress is being used to drive an individual's plan with muscle and threats. Aid has been used a trap for poor countries, and it is unfortunate that Kiay believes Kenya can be hurt by withdrawal of 7% of budget support aid by donors, among them, US, UK and EU. We have been through this scenario before in the 1990s when aid was withdrawn by the same bilateral and most multilateral donors. We know this threat got nothing to do with post election violence, but it's the China link with Kenya that is a sore to these friends of Kenya.

If US will buy Kiay's prescription and dispense it to Kenya, then I can see my country's death is guaranteed, despite Annan's effort to save Kenya.
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written by manta ray , February 08, 2008
Why are Kenyans based in the United States and especially in Washington, D.C. allowing Maina Kiai to get away with his lies?

Since it is clear that Kibaki and his Govt are too incompetent to defend the Kenyan people and the truth about Kenya from Maina's lies, why can't those Kenyans I speak about in the US be more pro-active and approach individual congressmen and tell them the truth? Is that so difficult? Can you imagine the reaction if they were to read Muciimi Mbatia's article on KI?

What about approaching and lobbying influential journalists from the New York Times or the Washington Post with the facts, and letting them make their own judgements on Maina Kiai?

I do not believe patriotic Kenyans should just sit back and let the likes of traitorous apologists for barbarism like Maina influence a Powerful Country like the US to make wrong decisions that will only make a very bad situation worse.

It is just amazing the human capacity for evil, and Maina Kiai is a prime example of one who turned from an honest human rights crusader to a dishonest fifth columnist for Communists, aka the ODM.
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written by Nyabs , February 08, 2008
A generally balanced presentation. I do however disagree with some of the points he puts across:

1. His naive assertion that the ethnic killings are a result of lack of appropriate avenues for self-expression. I cannot believe that with the resources for research and investigation at his disposal, he can reach such a conclusion. The sooner he and KNHCR realize that the ethnic killings were pre-planned and funded, the sooner we will discover the truth.

2. His assertion that Kibaki did steal the vote. I do agree. It is only the most deluded amongst us that would still insist that ECK did not play around with figures at KICC in Kibaki's favour. But Kiai needed to balance this with evidence that is in the public domain of rigging and intimidation of observers and PNU agents in areas supportive of ODM and the ballot stuffing that took place there that gave us abnormal vote turn out rates. Once we all agreed that both sides did steal the vote, then we can begin to find a solution to this crisis.

3. His suggestion of an interim government with Raila and Kibaki sharing equal power and elections after two years may work, but I doubt whether in two years we would have overcome the bitterness that these elections have caused, unless the two gentlemen are excluded from running. He also does not mention in his recommendations laws to criminalize political campaigns along ethnic lines, the primary cause to our current problems.

4. For a Human Rights Commisssioner, he glosses over and does not adress the rights of the displaced and unless I missed it, I do not see a recommendation for them to be resettled, preferably back on their lands, with adequate security.

5. He does not adress the issue of sanctity of title and the rights of people to own property wherever they wish and the need to protect this jealously.
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written by Nyabs , February 08, 2008
Manta Ray, I could not agree with you more.

There is more than meets the eye here.
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written by Shiroh , February 08, 2008
Seems Maina Kiai & Raila read from the same script. Just which country has ever had a transitional govt between a president and an opposition leader. We are a civilian country. Those things only happen in non civilian countries.

That dude should get over himself. No wonder those guys in Eldy told him, he has let this country down.
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written by manta ray , February 08, 2008
Now that Raila has backed down on some of his demands especially the one that Kibaki resigns, i suspect the stage is being set by Raila to sacrifice Ruto while he makes a place for himself in Govt. Typical of him. He has done it before when left with few options.

The ethnic cleansing will be reduced to a crime against humanity because it can be individualised and Ruto will be the fall guy while Raila comes out smelling like a rose.
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written by Stephen Wanyama , February 08, 2008
Moreover, since January 2006 we witnessed consistent attempts by the state to reduce democratic space and instil fear in society.


Nor was there a process to deal with the root causes of that violence, with the Kibaki government choosing to sweep the matter under the carpet, despite campaign promises to the contrary....Most important, the paymasters and planners of the 1990s clashes were never held accountable.


The violence is neither genocide nor ethnic cleansing: The root of the problem is not that different ethnic groups decided they could no longer live together. The root of the problem is the inability of peaceful means to address grievances. For this to be genocide there would have to be either state complicity or state collapse and the first obligation would be for the state to provide adequate security for those at risk. Instead we have uneven and selective policing with emphasis on preventing Raila Odinga from holding protests in Nairobi rather than protecting IDPs and others at risk across the country. We therefore believe that the quickest and most effective way to reduce the violence is progress in the current talks.


We also urge Congress to request the release of the exit poll conducted by International Republican Institute (IRI) without delay so as to maintain pressure on all sides to negotiate in good faith. In addition, we urge Congress to work with the EU to have the EU Observation Mission Report released immediately.

This matter of the exit poll is interesting and we have discussed it before here. Now for those of us abroad, who were following the election minute by minute, there was a continued series of updates from Reuters which declared that Kibaki was leading.

I propose that in light of his abdication of his duties, Maina Kiai's salary be diverted specifically to the victims of Kiambaa, who he so famously forgot in their moment of greatest need, before popping up as expected only to speak of the mobilisation of Mungiki.
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written by wawa , February 08, 2008
From what i have read and heard seems to me plainly to me that Kiai's comment are very much balanced given that fact that he was on the ground during the tallying and also from the fact that he has visited nearly all the IDP's camps where he got 1st hand info from the displaced people.
As a matter of fact it seem that that some people were not happy with Kiai's frankness to the extent that they even threatened his precious life.
The polls aftermath should be fully investigated to get to the bottom of the matter so as to fully tackle them properly even if it means having to change some of constitutional provisions.
What happened in Rwanda and other countries started more else like what was witnessed in Kenya one death today two tomorrow and so on .
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written by manta ray , February 08, 2008
A generally balanced presentation. I do however disagree with some of the points he puts across:

1. His naive assertion that the ethnic killings are a result of lack of appropriate avenues for self-expression. I cannot believe that with the resources for research and investigation at his disposal, he can reach such a conclusion. The sooner he and KNHCR realize that the ethnic killings were pre-planned and funded, the sooner we will discover the truth.

2. His assertion that Kibaki did steal the vote. I do agree. It is only the most deluded amongst us that would still insist that ECK did not play around with figures at KICC in Kibaki's favour. But Kiai needed to balance this with evidence that is in the public domain of rigging and intimidation of observers and PNU agents in areas supportive of ODM and the ballot stuffing that took place there that gave us abnormal vote turn out rates. Once we all agreed that both sides did steal the vote, then we can begin to find a solution to this crisis.

3. His suggestion of an interim government with Raila and Kibaki sharing equal power and elections after two years may work, but I doubt whether in two years we would have overcome the bitterness that these elections have caused, unless the two gentlemen are excluded from running. He also does not mention in his recommendations laws to criminalize political campaigns along ethnic lines, the primary cause to our current problems.

4. For a Human Rights Commisssioner, he glosses over and does not adress the rights of the displaced and unless I missed it, I do not see a recommendation for them to be resettled, preferably back on their lands, with adequate security.

5. He does not adress the issue of sanctity of title and the rights of people to own property wherever they wish and the need to protect this jealously.



Nyabs, I have to disagree with you on this one.
Maina is hardly naive. He knows exactly what he is doing. He can hardly be unaware of the Universal definition of ethnic cleansing of the United Nations which says "The official United Nations definition of ethnic cleansing is "rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group""

So why does Maina struggle to make a personal definition outside the officially recognised one, pretends not to know its legal definition and indeed, deliberately attempts to distort its meaning, and before the US Congress at that? Why take such a risk on his reputation?

You cannot convince me that he doesn't know Ruto and Kosgei were the masterminds of the ethinc cleansing. Those councillors arrested in Eldoret and charged with organising and directing the mayhem did not act out of free will but were taking orders and getting financing from someone, and that was Ruto and Kosgei.
In this context, Maina cannot go ahead to make an attempt to absolve these two unless he is trying to protect Raila from being directly linked to monsters like Ruto, in the hope that since such an association would exude such a pong Raila would be tainted and his credibility in the eyes of Powerful World rulers shattered forever, he must be protected at all costs. This is now the familiar ODM tactic of playing victim.

Is it not curious that while UN Human rights officials are about to arrive in Kenya to investigate the genesis of the violence, Maina Kiai is in Washington embellishing the truth and trying to prempt the UN report, why? Shoudn't he be in Kenya preparing the ground in helping the UN unravel the truth? Which is more important?
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written by a guest , February 08, 2008
Having been in Kenya during teh election period I think that Kiai's paper is balanced and a fair assessment of the situation. At the end of the day, we need another election, because if Kibaki really won the election he has nothing to lose, and if he didn't then he has everything to gain - the validation of his peers, the validation of the itnernational community and the closure that the voting public needs in order to put this thing behind it.

If we put aside all our conspiracy theories abd assume the best of all our politicians (a difficult feat I concede) I think we'll find that this represents the best way forward for all of us.
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written by Nori , February 08, 2008
Seems Maina Kiai & Raila read from the same script. Just which country has ever had a transitional govt between a president and an opposition leader. We are a civilian country. Those things only happen in non civilian countries.

That dude should get over himself. No wonder those guys in Eldy told him, he has let this country down.


Come on Shiroh. This dude is very neutral. His biggest problem like Proffesor Wangari Maathai,is that he happens to be amongst few guys from central province who tells the truth and refuses to be partisan especially to PNU. I also believe that this forum actually has "Wenyewe" and unfortunanately 90% are pro PNU that is why they see the "EVIL" in Maina Kiai's speech and not the "GOOD".

Well done Maina Kiai. This is exactly what Kenya needs, more of your level headed kind. Continue preaching the good gospel.
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written by Hooff , February 08, 2008
All Kenyans of goodwill should applaud Maina. He is one of the few remaining pro-freedom anti Moi figures from the 1990s who can still hold his head high. I think some of the comments expressed here about the speech are disingenuous. Why is it that people are quick to box him in either of the two political camps? He is not NEUTRAL, he is advocating for the protection of the rights of the oppressed, Human Rights is very political...he had to take a stand.

For those who are incensed that he left out the crimes on both sides and other chuki allegations need to put his speech in context. He was giving evidence with Njoki. Her presentation captured the chuki allegations and other details thus no need for Maina to repeat it again. I believe they consulted before the meeting and agreed probably due to time limitations what should be covered by each speaker. Here is Njoki submission in [http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/110/ndu020608.htm]full. Editor you might to publish to give it this hearing some balance..

The root of the problem is not that different ethnic groups decided they could no longer live together. The root of the problem is the inability of peaceful means to address grievances.This is the essence of the speech; I think we should debate this point further. Do you think if communities had faith in the judiciary and other arms of the state they would result to evictions, looting, and murder to settle disputes?
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written by aeichener , February 08, 2008
I agree with Manta Ray and Nyabs. Maina Kiai's statement is purposefully disingenuous and slanted.

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Kiai a disappointment to Kenya
written by Kim G. , February 08, 2008
While there's no denying the fact that, as Maina Kiai says, the Presidential election results are in dispute, I beleive that Kiai has conducted himself in a most unpatriotic manner. Looking at Kiai, one would be forgiven for assuming that his loyalties lie, not in Kenya, but in some Western capital.

Kiai has chose to ignore the ethnic cleansing in the Rift Valley, instead concentrating his efforts in proving how "independent-minded" he is. Its unheard of anywhere on earth for the head of a publicly-funded body to question the legitimacy of his president. Kiai's statements have indeed increased the incitement to those who claim that the presidential polls were rigged.

But then, these are the chickens coming home to roost for Kibaki and Co. They employed the likes of Kiai and Githongo because they are their own sons and daughters. Kibaki and his country club colleagues thought that blood relations would be enough to ensure loyalty little knowing that these children-of-priviledge spent so much time overseas that they have no idea how their own country works.
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written by manta ray , February 08, 2008
The violence is neither genocide nor ethnic cleansing: The root of the problem is not that different ethnic groups decided they could no longer live together. The root of the problem is the inability of peaceful means to address grievances. For this to be genocide there would have to be either state complicity or state collapse and the first obligation would be for the state to provide adequate security for those at risk. Instead we have uneven and selective policing with emphasis on preventing Raila Odinga from holding protests in Nairobi rather than protecting IDPs and others at risk across the country. We therefore believe that the quickest and most effective way to reduce the violence is progress in the current talks.


Wawa, Hooff, Nori, Anonymous.

Anybody who makes such a sweeping statement CANNOT BE NEUTRAL, especially when seen in the light of the United Nations definition of ethnic cleansing which says""The official United Nations definition of ethnic cleansing is "rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group""

Can you say that Maina Kiai, as the highest ranking human rights official in the Govt, is unaware of this definition? If he is, why did he chose to deliberately make a contrary definition before the US congress? If he is not aware of the UN definition, then he has no business whatsoever talking on behalf of victims of human rights, let alone being chairman of the commission.

You educated guys who take at face value the statements of people like Maina Kiai are Kenya's most dangerous enemies as you are educated yet captive to astonishingly childish naivete.
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Kiai\'s motives questioned
written by Nyawira , February 08, 2008
Without trying to discount what Maina is saying, i would like to introduce a new angle.It has been said that Kiai's contract is due for renewal in february.He is making it impossible to sack him. At the end of the day if you ask me, there is a strong element of bread and butter in this scenario. Remember when he was asked to reduce his salary he stopped asking about the MP's salary hikes.
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why congress?
written by marion , February 08, 2008
Can someone please explain to me why Kiai is briefing the US Congress on Kenya. When did we become a province of America?

(Why not? Why shouldn't he? Please make a substantial argument. Ed.)
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Kiai on KI
written by Daniel.Waweru , February 08, 2008
ii) Violence organized by ODM-supporting militia in the Rift Valley that was aimed at perceived political opponents. The initial militia action attracted organized counter-violence from PNU supporters especially in Nakuru, Naivasha areas of the Rift Valley, and Nairobi.


This is simply false, and Kiai must know it to be so. The locution ODM-supporting militia is weak, and passive; it is probably supposed to leave room for the possibility that the ODM-supporting militias were acting independently of the ODM campaign organisation. In RVP, that is certainly false: there is clear evidence of the party's activists and agents planning, funding, and directing the violence. The only live question is how far up complicity reaches. The militias are not groups of young men who happen to support ODM, they are a part of the ODM machinery.

Further, ODM militias are present in both RVP and NP.

Full marks to him, however, for noting that the retaliatory violence in parts of RVP and NP is also organised, and almost certainly with state complicity.

10. The violence is neither genocide nor ethnic cleansing: The root of the problem is not that different ethnic groups decided they could no longer live together. The root of the problem is the inability of peaceful means to address grievances. For this to be genocide there would have to be either state complicity or state collapse and the first obligation would be for the state to provide adequate security for those at risk. Instead we have uneven and selective policing with emphasis on preventing Raila Odinga from holding protests in Nairobi rather than protecting IDPs and others at risk across the country. We therefore believe that the quickest and most effective way to reduce the violence is progress in the current talks.


First, the Red Cross definition of ethnic cleansing: the mass expulsion or extermination of people from a minority ethnic or religious group within a certain area and who, in many instances, had forcibly displacing or exterminating an ethnic population from a particular area in order to assert the identity and power of another ethnic group. Evidently, then, ethnic cleansing is independent of the desire to separate permanently: even if group A kicks out group B, and then later welcomes returning members of B, ethnic cleansing will still have happened. In any case, the intention to create monoethnic regions had, and has continued to be, very clearly expressed, especially in RVP.

11. It is clear that the flagrant effort to steal the presidential election was the immediate trigger for the violence. All independent observers have said that the tallying process was so flawed that it is impossible to tell who won the presidential election. Since 1992, Kenya's elections have been progressively better and fairer, culminating in the 2002 elections which were the best ever, and the 2005 constitutional referendum. The effect of this progression is that Kenyans finally believed in the power of the vote as a way of peacefully resolving differences, a fact confirmed by voting trends in the recent parliamentary elections that saw almost 70 percent of incumbents lose their seats. When this sense of empowerment was subverted, and peaceful legal spaces for protests were disallowed, it is not surprising that frustrations boiled over and violence ensued.


The claim that the effort to steal the presidential election was the immediate trigger for the violence is false for at least two of Kiai's categories of violence. Militia violence in RVP was planned before the election, and was in progress before the results were announced, indeed, before it was clear that the election was flawed (there were attacks on the 28th and 29th, and roadblocks in Eldoret as early as the 28th). There had also been rioting in Kibera and Kisumu for at least two days before the 'results' were announced on the 30th. Causes tend not to precede their effects.
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Home and dry.
written by Farouk , February 08, 2008

5. He does not adress the issue of sanctity of title and the rights of people to own property wherever they wish and the need to protect this jealously.


It was Amos Kimunya, then Kenya's minister of lands who said that title deeds were just pieces of paper fit for the dust bin. Why should he honour it when the state do not give a damn about it?

Kiai brougth out a candid and precise arguement, hitting the points without beating around the bush. At these times, it is the likes of Kiai, those who know that nothing but the bare truth followed by justice will save Kenya from total collapse. Anything other than this, God help us.
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in re Kiai v KI
written by Daniel.Waweru , February 08, 2008
Politicalscientist,

Those that criticise Kiai from shying away from using the term ethnic cleansing are missing the bigger picture. If we cry ethnic cleansing that term could have a devastating effect on the economic, social and political prospects of the country. And without denying that crimes are being perpetrated here - AGAINST PEOPLE OF ALL TRIBES - one must also be sensitive to the political nature of this crisis.


This is an interesting defence of Kiai's remarks. However, Kiai does not shy away from using the term ethnic cleansing. Instead, he asserts that it is not happening:

The violence is neither genocide nor ethnic cleansing: The root of the problem is not that different ethnic groups decided they could no longer live together.


Given a pretty straightforward defnition of ethnic cleansing, the statement above is simply false. If he had wished to avoid the use of the term, he could have. To use it, and then to assert that nothing falls under that description, is negligence at best, and lying under oath at worst.
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I stand educated
written by Ndorobo , February 08, 2008
@political scientist. In my frustration and being caught up with the happenings ib Kenya, I forgot one of the first questions in any presentation, Who is the target audience? Thanks for reigning some of us in. I will assume his omissions were due to his audience.

I will wait for more KNHCR reports and see what he comes up with. Niko jicho.
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in re:re: Kiai on KI
written by Daniel.Waweru , February 08, 2008
Kenyans started getting suspicious after suddenly, TV stations were commanded to stop transmitting results on 28th December, 2007. Kivuitu claimed that he could not get results from some of his returning officers in Central Kenya because they had gone underground and switched off their phones!!!!! He even claimed that they must be cooking something and if they brought him cooked results they will have to explain where the cooking took place. At this point ODM was well ahead of PNU with at least more than 200,000 votes. Due to this violence broke out not only in those areas mentioned by you but also in other place like mombasa. I remember very well I was caught up in the milee on Saturday 29th at 11.00 am. And this was no planned violence but spontenous violence.


I'm not sure what you're talking about. TV stations were still broadcasting their provisional results on the 28th. And I think ODM actually released a press briefing detailing their provisional calculations. Interestingly, very few votes had been counted in RVP by the 28th, yet there was still violence in Eldoret.

But even if what you say were true, it still would not explain the violence and roadblocks near the airport on the morning of the 28th.
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re: Kiai on KI
written by a guest , February 08, 2008
Militia violence in RVP was planned before the election, and was in progress before the results were announced, indeed, before it was clear that the election was flawed (there were attacks on the 29th, and roadblocks in Eldoret as early as the 28th). There had also been rioting in Kibera and Kisumu for at least two days before the 'results' were announced on the 30th. Causes tend not to precede their effects.


Kenyans started getting suspicious after suddenly, TV stations were commanded to stop transmitting results on 28th December, 2007. Kivuitu claimed that he could not get results from some of his returning officers in Central Kenya because they had gone underground and switched off their phones!!!!! He even claimed that they must be cooking something and if they brought him cooked results they will have to explain where the cooking took place. At this point ODM was well ahead of PNU with at least more than 200,000 votes. Due to this violence broke out not only in those areas mentioned by you but also in other place like mombasa. I remember very well I was caught up in the milee on Saturday 29th at 11.00 am. And this was no planned violence but spontenous violence.

Election results were rigged what with ODM gannering 99 seats against PNU's meagre 44? Look at the No. of counsellors, ODM gannered over 1000 seats against PNU's 440. Waweru, if situations were reversed as in PNU putting itself in ODM's shoes, I am sure that you will be shouting at the top of your voice that PNU won and ODM stole the elections.

Let us not be blinded by our affiliate parties but view the election process clearly right from 27th to 30th December and create a clear picture of what actually took place.
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re: Kiai\'s motives questioned
written by a guest , February 08, 2008
Without trying to discount what Maina is saying, i would like to introduce a new angle.It has been said that Kiai's contract is due for renewal in February.He is making it impossible to sack him. At the end of the day if you ask me, there is a strong element of bread and butter in this scenario. Remember when he was asked to reduce his salary he stopped asking about the MP's salary hikes.

Nyawira, this is irrelevant and out of the picture. Whether Maina Kiai's contract is renewed or not, he will still afford his bread and butter. There are so many organisations which might just offer him a more plum job than his current one. Please stay focused and pull it off.
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For Kenya
written by Hooff , February 08, 2008
You educated guys who take at face value the statements of people like Maina Kiai are Kenya's most dangerous enemies as you are educated yet captive to astonishingly childish naivete.

Sad you are so upset that you choose to call complete strangers... Kenya's most dangerous enemies. Although the statement was delivered by Maina, it was put together with other civil society groups in Kenya and it was delivered in conjunction with Njoki. Please do not look for ulterior motives in the statement; it is aimed to save the country from disaster. By the way, Koffi consulted widely before arriving at the 4point agenda to help us out of the impasse. And guess what, the civil society has had significant influence in the process. We are heading for a breakthrough and a much better Kenya.
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written by Ndorobo , February 08, 2008
Election results were rigged what with ODM gannering 99 seats against PNU's meagre 44? Look at the No. of counsellors, ODM gannered over 1000 seats against PNU's 440.
@anonymous, you conveniently fail to mention the large number of PNU affiliated parties to skew the numbers. There were a large number of non-PNU candidates that supported the president. The simplistic comparison of 2 parties is easy to make to the US and the UK since these countries have 2 major parties.
As the nation notes on this link.
ODM won the highest number of seats for any single political party with 998 out of the 2,402 councillors elected in the 175 civic authorities.
PNU won 322 and the rest were shared by other parties, most of them PNU affiliates.


Link here
With that clarified, lets now focus on the incompleteness of Kiai's statement.
He fails to mention in his background information that the warnings that were given to some communities in the RV to leave their homes. This is hypocrisy. The violence in Naivasha and Nakuru (though inexcusable) would never have occurred had the violence in Northern RV not occurred.
Nor was there a process to deal with the root causes of that violence, with the Kibaki government choosing to sweep the matter under the carpet, despite campaign promises to the contrary. With grievances bubbling and fermenting close to the surface, it was relatively easy to reactivate the militia using methods similar to those of the 1990s. Most important, the paymasters and planners of the 1990s clashes were never held accountable.

Is he saying that the failure to fulfil campaign promises is the root cause of the violence in the RV? Seriously? I think this was an chance to give president Kibaki a cheap shot, and since he did not have specifics, it seems and sounds good and credible. After all, its a widely accepted myth that a sitting government will fail in its delivery of campaign promises.
As the chairman of KNHCR Mr. Kiai, what have you done for the people displaced in the 90? Who are the paymasters and planners that you refer to? Or is it the governments responsibility? Have you forgotten what you said in your opening statement? My name is Maina Kiai and I am the Chairperson of the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR), an independent state body charged with protecting and promoting human rights in Kenya.
I think Kiai (as other have pointed out) definitely has his political inclinations. It is unfair to the thousands displaced, now and in the 90s, that he is looking for sound bites easily spewed to the western media while ignoring the plight of thousands dead sleeping under tents in Nakuru. While ignoring the plight of the hundreds that have to sleep in a maximum security prison in Naivasha. While ignoring the economic plight of thousands that had their source of income destroyed and their crops and animals forcefully taken away. These are not engrossing and interesting stories to tell but they are the stories of the people whose human rights you are supposed to represent.
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written by Nyabs , February 08, 2008
The root of the problem is not that different ethnic groups decided they could no longer live together. The root of the problem is the inability of peaceful means to address grievances.This is the essence of the speech; I think we should debate this point further. Do you think if communities had faith in the judiciary and other arms of the state they would result to evictions, looting, and murder to settle disputes?


I agree that our judiciary is not exactly the poster boy of impartiality and independence, but for it to be dismissed offhand without any attempts to test its impartiality in the presidential dispute issue and to then call for mass action and condone the killing of innocent people, whose only crime was share an ethnicity with one party in the contest and probably also voted for him, does sound to me irresponsible.

We do need as a nation to decide whether we want to descend to the rule of the jungle, where, if I disagree with you, I kill you or call crowds that I control to kill you and destroy you or whether we want to operate under the rule of law, where, however agrieved you may be, you have a system that can listen to you and either dismiss your case based on facts, or grant you justice.

Have we ever considered what would have happened, if Raila had gone to the courts?. Maybe, the courts would have ruled in his favour, which would have been a big boost to the rule of law. And we would not have had 1000 people killed and 350,000 displaced.

And we do have to ask the question: who determines that the courts are partial and not likely to deliver a fair verdict?
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written by politicalscientist , February 08, 2008
Those that criticise Kiai from shying away from using the term ethnic cleansing are missing the bigger picture. If we cry ethnic cleansing that term could have a devastating effect on the economic, social and political prospects of the country. And without denying that crimes are being perpetrated here - AGAINST PEOPLE OF ALL TRIBES - one must also be sensitive to the political nature of this crisis. What Kiai has shown is an appreciation for the nuances of making a political statement - implying that Kenya needs help but not the Iraq type or Somalia type of intervention. We're in trouble but not to the extent that warrants some kind of peacekeeping force or massive international intervention.

And as for the rest of the speech well, as much as it pains some of you to read this, Kiai was writing to a specific audience and when one is addressing an audience the message must be tailored to that audience. It is a trick that anyone who travels extensively has learnt to master - everyone knows that there are extremely poor people, even in Europe, and the level of inequality in India is appaling, but on the international stage its all about keeping up appearances to some extent. When we are with our fellow Kenyans we must be her biggest critics, but when we are in public we must be her biggest fans. What Kiai has done and is trying to do is walk that fine line between admitting that there is a problem, and maintaining some sense of dignity in a world where people are eager to dismiss Kenya as "another failed African state".

Na kusema kweli hata mimi ninaanza kuona kwamba wanaojibu maswala hapa wananing'inia upande fulani. Inazidi kuwa vigumu kumkosoa anayelaumu KenyaImagine kwa kuwa na wenyewe...:-)

Nanjala, this is hardly a fair appraisal of a collective that has not ever restrained your freedom to express your opinions as you wish, even when they were wide off the mark. If you like you may apply for an editorial position, but as will stand for all time, comment is free, but facts are sacred. If these wenyewe seem like authorities because they have superior knowledge to yours, kindly defer to it. It is not their fault that the side you bat for has based its arguments on what are easily debunkable claims, claims which any Kenyan can persist in believing or not. Take your pick, but as the masthead says, Opinion, Analysis and Debate. Eds.
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written by politicalscientist , February 08, 2008
Those that criticise Kiai from shying away from using the term ethnic cleansing are missing the bigger picture. If we cry ethnic cleansing that term could have a devastating effect on the economic, social and political prospects of the country. And without denying that crimes are being perpetrated here - AGAINST PEOPLE OF ALL TRIBES - one must also be sensitive to the political nature of this crisis. What Kiai has shown is an appreciation for the nuances of making a political statement - implying that Kenya needs help but not the Iraq type or Somalia type of intervention. We're in trouble but not to the extent that warrants some kind of peacekeeping force or massive international intervention.

And as for the rest of the speech well, as much as it pains some of you to read this, Kiai was writing to a specific audience and when one is addressing an audience the message must be tailored to that audience. It is a trick that anyone who travels extensively has learnt to master - everyone knows that there are extremely poor people, even in Europe, and the level of inequality in India is appaling, but on the international stage its all about keeping up appearances to some extent. When we are with our fellow Kenyans we must be her biggest critics, but when we are in public we must be her biggest fans. What Kiai has done and is trying to do is walk that fine line between admitting that there is a problem, and maintaining some sense of dignity in a world where people are eager to dismiss Kenya as "another failed African state".

Na kusema kweli hata mimi ninaanza kuona kwamba wanaojibu maswala hapa wananing'inia upande fulani. Inazidi kuwa vigumu kumkosoa anayelaumu KenyaImagine kwa kuwa na wenyewe...:-)

Nanjala, this is hardly a fair appraisal of a collective that has not ever restrained your freedom to express your opinions as you wish, even when they were wide off the mark. If you like you may apply for an editorial position, but as will stand for all time, comment is free, but facts are sacred. If these wenyewe seem like authorities because they have superior knowledge to yours, kindly defer to it. It is not their fault that the side you bat for has based its arguments on what are easily debunkable claims, claims which any Kenyan can persist in believing or not. Take your pick, but as the masthead says, Opinion, Analysis and Debate. Eds.


Ed. This was never a criticism of KenyaImagine...it was a comment on those who are replying to the articles, and an conclusion that a passer-by would be hard pressed not to come to given the dearth of ODM supporters or more neutral voices. Apologies if I made it sound that I was levelling criticism at you, I guess I didn't make myself as clear as I had hoped.
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Kiai is full of it
written by Ndorobo , February 08, 2008
I spent a few minutes glossing over the KNHCR website. Kiai's omission of the releveant facts is NOT due to his audience. It is a deliberate attempt to skew opinions.

Despite the sufferings that the (Internally displace people) IDPs and the refugees are faced with in Kenya, there is not a single report of them on his website. There are 4 reports claiming to outline how the election went wrong, but not a single one for the people sleeping under tents because their homes were razed to the ground. Not a single one of the gang rapes, not a single mention of children not going to school?

This guy is supposed to be the commissioner of human rights, not the commissioner of politics. I think Kiai has abdicated his role as the commissioner. One of the primary missions of KNHCR is to Investigations and provide redress. to human rights violations. It's been a month and we are still waiting. The best that KNHCR can offer is not a launching of investigations, it ought to do more.

The problem we are faced with in Kenya is intellectuals masquerading as independent observers and engaging in half-truths. Kiai is such a man. H was foremost in pointing out the use of government vehicles for campaigning. All the while, Kuresoi was burning. He was condemning the government for not doing anything in Kuresoi and Mt. Elgon. He never mentioned anyone by name and while KNHCR has the mandate, never brought anyone to book. Kiai seems to think that criticizing the government is fighting for human rights. Nope, it just criticism.

Nuances or not, what is happening in RV is ethnic cleansing by most definitions. Maybe not by KNHCR
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re: why congress?
written by marion , February 08, 2008
Can someone please explain to me why Kiai is briefing the US Congress on Kenya. When did we become a province of America?

(Why not? Why shouldn't he? Please make a substantial argument. Ed.)


Editor, with all due respect, stop treating this (...)

(Without any undue respect - and without engaging in any further parade-riposte game with you -, you are free to criticize Kiai on the substance of what he said and/or (maybe more) on the substance of what he not said.)

If you cannot enlighten me on the reasons and justifications for Kiai

(In Kant's ever famous definition, "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's reason without the leadership of an other."
Emerge from this state if you will and can - for this website is certainly able to help you during this desirable if not necessary process; but do not expect any editor of KI to act as your personal leader (as Kant put it) or paidgogos.
Now, if you are willing to argue with or against or for Kiai, kindly at all means do so, but do it with substance, reflection, and thrust, and not with a cheap pseudo-question. Because we believe you can do much better, and we encourage you to do so.
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Kiai is a shameless dishonest
written by Ruth , February 08, 2008
Kiai is extremely callous and dishonest. He has with one speech exonerated those bullish men of the Rift Valley who have periodically organised ethnic cleansing since 1992. I beg to ask, what is in it for him or on whose behave has he spoken. From where I am standing Maina Kiai is one extremely dangerous fellow. Who entrusted him with such an important role, as commissioner of human rights.

He has breached the rights of thousands of Kenyans by presenting a false version of reality. All of a sudden we wake up and discover that he has invented a political story line of reality. This is the sort of thing that makes societies organise real militias and fight their corner because civil society like ours is already in one hyenas pocket and has since ceased to be honest and instead abdicate its role of speaking the truth and instead peddle political opportunism.
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Kiai a good spirit
written by Wuod Aketch , February 08, 2008
Is Kiai a kikuyu? Then he falls in the category of the good ones like Gitobu.
He is just being a true Kenyan by telling the truth.
By the way where is Kalonzo? I got news from home that he was hued in the US by Kenyans there. Does anybody have a post on this.
But there is someone waiting impatiently for him to land back at JK. That is Julia Ojiambo who got a raw deal from the ODM-K nominations by Kalonzo.
I would say that this serves her right. Had she stuck with the other ODM there would have been some goodies for her. Is Julia really Ph.D? I doubt this seeing the way Kalonzo has rolled her in the flour.
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written by awhuds , February 09, 2008
Gitobu is a Meru.
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written by manta ray , February 09, 2008
Wuod Aketch]Is Kiai a kikuyu? Then he falls in the category of the good ones like Gitobu.
He is just being a true Kenyan by telling the truth. By the way where is Kalonzo? I got news from home that he was hosued in the US by Kenyans there. Does anybody have a post on this.
But there is someone waiting impatiently for him to land back at JKIA. That is Julia Ojiambo who got a raw deal from the ODM-K nominations by Kalonzo.
I would say that this serves her right. Had she stuck with the other ODM there would have been some goodies for her. Is Julia really Ph.D? I doubt this seeing the way Kalonzo has rolled her in the flour.

Aketch, your remarks simply confirm your status as an unrepentant bigot. There is no difference between you and KKK supremacists, who judge everyone by the color of their skin, while you judge people by the color of their tribe.
That is as much your right as it is your misfortune, and you consequently do yourself a great disservice by stubbornly refusing to exercise your mind with a little more effort. As the Editor has said in another post quoting Emmanuel Kant "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's reason without the leadership of an other."
You need to raise your game Mr Aketch, and liberate yourself from self imposed immaturity.
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written by Nori , February 09, 2008
1. Was it right for ODM to run a year long campaign demonizing Kikuyus based on stereotypes, false claims and generalised accusations?


If it was not right then why were they allowed to do it? Was it right for PNU to demonise Raila terming him as a dangerous man during their year long campaign? Was it right for PNU to use government printers to print hate literature about Raila not forgetting those delivered in the RV by two kikuyu policeman who were caught on KTN TV?
2. Was it right for ODM to allow innocent Kenyans to be killed (ethnic cleansing)in the name of so called spontaneous mass protests against those who voted for Kibaki?


ODM is not in government. The president was sworn in on 30th December, 2007. Every government's priority is to protect the lives and property of its citizens. This was PNU first failure as a government.
3. Is it right for ODM to harbour and protect, rather than expose, those within its ranks that have planned and executed the pre-meditated attacks?


These are just but mere allegations. Just like election rigging is an allegetion. If at it is true, there is a posiblility that ODM officials are not aware of the pre-meditated attacks. Just like Kibaki is unaware of most evils taking place in government, past and present. PNU since it is the ruling party and ought to lead by example should start by exposing those behind Nakuru and Naivasha massacres.
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written by Aliosema , February 09, 2008
Is Kiai a kikuyu? Then he falls in the category of the good ones like Gitobu

Wuod, if being a good Kikuyu means that you are willing to speak your mind freely whether or not you feel your own people did the right thing then I hope being a good Luo means the same thing.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to reveal whether you are a good or bad Luo by answering the following three questions:
1. Was it right for ODM to run a year long campaign demonizing the Kikuyu based on stereotypes, false claims and generalised accusations?
2. Was it right for ODM to allow innocent Kenyans to be killed (ethnic cleansing)in the name of so called spontaneous mass protests against those who voted for Kibaki?
3. Is it right for ODM to harbour and protect, rather than expose, those within its ranks that have planned and executed the pre-meditated attacks?
Finally, if you do not know that Gitobu is not a Kikuyu you need to do some homework. You are exposing yourself as a tribalist without a care in the world about our nation, grasping desperately at any straw that allows you to continue to keep on your rose colored glasses. Lets see if you are man enough to stand up and speak honestly, as you feel Maina did, about your personal views on these issues.
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Hoof - foot in mouth
written by Aliosema , February 09, 2008
The root of the problem is not that different ethnic groups decided they could no longer live together. The root of the problem is the inability of peaceful means to address grievances.This is the essence of the speech; I think we should debate this point further. Do you think if communities had faith in the judiciary and other arms of the state they would result to evictions, looting, and murder to settle disputes?

Hoof you and Maina would like us to believe this had to do with inability of peaceful means to address grievances? Are you and Maina saying that the non peaceful means were justified? are you saying that addressing grievances by burning churches was ok? So if you lack of faith in the judiciary, does this allow one to pick up a machete and hack his neighbour who has not done anything illegal to live where he does. I really do not get your point. Perhaps further explanation is needed.
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re: For Kenya
written by manta ray , February 09, 2008
You educated guys who take at face value the statements of people like Maina Kiai are Kenya's most dangerous enemies as you are educated yet captive to astonishingly childish naivete.

Sad you are so upset that you choose to call complete strangers... Kenya's most dangerous enemies. Although the statement was delivered by Maina, it was put together with other civil society groups in Kenya and it was delivered in conjunction with Njoki. Please do not look for ulterior motives in the statement; it is aimed to save the country from disaster. By the way, Koffi consulted widely before arriving at the 4point agenda to help us out of the impasse. And guess what, the civil society has had significant influence in the process. We are heading for a breakthrough and a much better Kenya.

No I am not upset. I am frightened and terrified that people who should know better are so naive. Civil society has influenced some of the negotiating process? really? How grand. If indeed that is so, what will be the quality of the final outcome if by civil society you mean people with the same DNA as Maina Kiai?
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redolent nonsense
written by Stephen Wanyama , February 09, 2008
If it was not right then why were they allowed to do it? Was it right for PNU to demonise Raila terming him as a dangerous man during their year long campaign? Was it right for PNU to use government printers to print hate literature about Raila not forgetting those delivered in the RV by two Kikuyu policeman who were caught on KTN TV?

This slavery must soon be brought to an end. How can an equivalence be drawn between attacking a politician and attacking an entire community? Raila Odinga is a man, a sinful man, like me and you. He can be attacked on those grounds without anyone of his supporters feeling themselves attacked as individuals. I did not hear any pf the Kikuyu taking it personally when Kibaki was accused of spending the day sleeping at State House. Rather, they were the ones spreading those stories.I want to point out to you, just because you seem particularly ignorant,many Kenyans actually voted PNU, KANU, ODM-K, etc especially because of the ODM's message of belligerent hate, intolerance and violence. We feel threatened by the ODM, we feel threatened by the nihilism. Maybe next time you will learn, not to make so many enemies,not to make so many people's very survival contingent on your being vanquished? Speaking for myself, as recently as April of last year, I was pro-ODM, and then I saw the threats and the dangers posed, not just to me but to all of Kenyan society.

Raila was caught on TV tacitly endorsing attacks on the Kikuyu (and the Bukusu, Meru, Kamba, Embu, Mbeere, Asians and so on). Only the Kisii were mentioned as favoured. This of course still does not seem to Maina Kiai like a warning sign? Hmmm.

ODM is not in government. The president was sworn in on 30th December, 2007. Every government's priority is to protect the lives and property of its citizens. This was PNU first failure as a government.

As persuasive as this sounds, and I see you and Kiai are reading from the same hymn sheet, every Kenyan of reasonable intelligence, and above the age of 3, knows that specific communities dominate specific regions, the police and the armed forces. This is why the reaction in Kisumu was different to that in the Rfit Valley. I know from friends and relatives in the area that the police and the army abetted the looting, the murder and the rape in the Rift Valley or simply stood by and did nothing. The ODM bears responsibility because it promotes these hatreds. You cannot expect the government to come out guns blazing if there is a risk there that it will cause a full-blown civil war. I am sure this is your fantasy, but many of us can see clearly why a rash response in the Rift Valley would have led to a grand implosion.

These are just but mere allegations. Just like election rigging is an allegation. If at it is true, there is a possibility that ODM officials are not aware of the pre-meditated attacks. Just like Kibaki is unaware of most evils taking place in government, past and present. PNU since it is the ruling party and ought to lead by example should start by exposing those behind Nakuru and Naivasha massacres.

There several reports detailing the extent of the organisation and planning behind the Rift Valley violence, and increasingly, the Nairobi one too. The ODM's leadership may not have been directly involved in it much in the same way that Alois's son was probably catching a snooze on Kristalnacht.
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written by mrembowaodm , February 09, 2008
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the truth is a bitter pill to swallow, pnu sadly the truth is on odms side.

kibaki refused to appoint commissioners based on the 1997 ippg, he sacked all the 'honest' commissioners-mukele and others, everybody including outsiders but him has said the elections were deeply flawed-what was their motivation? it is also a fact that numbers were grossly inflated in central and meru areas, the ECK commissioners themselves said there were serious problems during the tallying (...)
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THE ISSUE at hand is that Maina Kiai [a human rights crusader] has denied, contrary to universally recognised facts, that ethnic cleansing took place in the Rift Valley. In your view, do you think he is right and if so, why?
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written by Aliosema , February 09, 2008
Nori, you failed the test that you took on behalf of Wuod. I guess you are a bad luo. Answering a question with a question is a cheap cop out.

However this is a lessor crime than that committed by KIAI. Maina Kiai's crime was one of failing to protect and speak honestly and objectively about Kenyan Human Rights. Those who think it is ok for him to speak out of one side of his mouhth, because Njoki Ndung'u provided the other view, are wrong. KNHRC is a national organisation and can never afford to give a partial view on any subject. On this score he has failed and we should stop wasting time trying to
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written by Ndorobo , February 09, 2008
You can lie by submission or omission. I am accusing Kiai of lying by omission. If he has Mungiki on his sights, he also needs to talk about the Taleban, the Kalenjin warriors and the other militias.

Kiai has also made it more difficult for an international to investigate and prosecure what happened regarding the violence by saying that it was not ethnic cleansing. By stating that KNHCR is s state body, he is implying that this is the official position of the government.
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written by observer , February 10, 2008
Maina should read this article of people getting paid Ksh. 4000 to burn a house in the Rift Valley. If the US is banning those that instigated the madness from travelling and freezing their assets then what is busy telling congress that what is happening in Kenya is not ethnic cleansing.
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written by newafroguy , February 10, 2008
@all

Opinions are like nywele. Kama akili, kila mtu ana zake![/i But as far as Kiai goes some are forgetting that he merely presented the findings of an independent group of observers. Also, from my own observations, every ethnic community, albeit some in disproportionate numbers, were victims of the post election clashes.

Many here at KI seem to blatantly fall for the ethnic cleansing against the Kikuyu theory whilst some others that are perhaps more neutral accurately see that it was more of political cleansing against ruling party adherents. Until we can properly diagnose a problem I don't see much hope in our ability to fix it. But then again who cares if their man won.

You know I bet you if we were living in the Moi era, Scandinavian embassies would be inundated with asylum requests. Perceived state excesses are after all a matter of belonging to the right kind of community, or the wrong for that matter.

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written by James Watt , February 10, 2008
@Newafroguy

Clearly it was ethnic cleansing. I mean the Kisiis voted for ODM about 50% and they suffered severly in Kericho. And what of the Luhyas who voted ODM by 70%? Kiai should really know. the reason might be political, land based or whatever but ethnic cleansing took place. There is no doubt about that.
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written by observer , February 10, 2008
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The motives for the ethnic cleansing are irrelevant, it occurred in many places in the RV and other like Thika. The ethnic makeup of the aggrieved is irrelevant from a human rights perspective.
For the Chair person of the KNHCR to deny that the assault to a funder mental building block to human rights occurred in the Kenya is very disturbing and calls in to question both his qualifications and motivation for choosing to ignore this very dangerous path that many Kenyans of all stripes and shapes have embarked on.
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written by Patrick Kariuki , February 10, 2008
This is a great place with some great minds.
Maina Kiai is clearly serving his own agenda.Whether he's an ODM supporter or not I have no idea.But of course that is his right.
However,his agenda is definitely not the national one.That I believe.My attention was absolutely arrested by his demand to the US congress that the IRI exit poll, believed to prove a Kibaki defeat,be immediately released.For those not in the know, that exit poll was conducted by Strategic Research on behalf of IRI.It showed a massive Raila victory of more than eight points.However,IRI decided to withhold those results when they discovered that Strategic's pollsters only polled specific areas as opposed to conducting a comprehensive survey.Maina must know this.Yet he still wants a flawed exit poll released to further inflame ODM supporters,not to mention re-motivate the Kalenjin "warriors".
I am not certain as to this man's sanity.
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written by Nori , February 11, 2008
This is a great place with some great minds.
Maina Kiai is clearly serving his own agenda.Whether he's an ODM supporter or not I have no idea.But of course that is his right.
However,his agenda is definitely not the national one.That I believe.My attention was absolutely arrested by his demand to the US congress that the IRI exit poll, believed to prove a Kibaki defeat,be immediately released.For those not in the know, that exit poll was conducted by Strategic Research on behalf of IRI.It showed a massive Raila victory of more than eight points.However,IRI decided to withhold those results when they discovered that Strategic's pollsters only polled specific areas as opposed to conducting a comprehensive survey.Maina must know this.Yet he still wants a flawed exit poll released to further inflame ODM supporters,not to mention re-motivate the Kalenjin "warriors".
I am not certain as to this man's sanity.


So you stll believe that PNU won and that they won fairly? Come on guys, even Kalonzo Musyoka admitted publicly just before he was named VP that there was rigging both in PNU and ODM. People on this forum are always talking about evidential reports that RV violence was ethnic cleansing. What most of these guys (pro-PNU) totally refuse to talk about is REPORTS from some ECK commissioners, EU observers, Maina Kiai(who was an observer)local observers etc, etc that 2007 presidential election results were rigged or to be polite flawed in favour of PNU. The root cause or the spark of the post election violence is the vote "stealing" claim. Why is it that most of us on this forum talk of selective reports (ethnic cleansing reports in RV) and forget the root cause of the problem (rigging claim reports?

The only way out of this quagmire is level thinking.We MUST admit that both Kibaki and Raila camps have errored. Let us be bold enough and speak out the truth like Gitobu Imanyara and Wangari Maathai are doing without being partisan, and we shall be set free. Looking at things from one point of view is NOT helpful.
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Nori, you failed the test that you took on behalf of Wuod. I guess you are a bad luo. Answering a question with a question is a cheap cop out.


Aliosema. I dint know we are taking tests here. I believe we are sharing opinions within the provided democratic space. Just because I do not agree with your opinions does not mean I have failed the test. I was just getting you to remove the log in your eyes before removing a piece of the same from your colleagues. Do you mean that you can tell my tribe judging from my opinions? In that case then I too can guess what BAD "......" you are.
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written by a guest , February 11, 2008
This is a great place with some great minds.
Maina Kiai is clearly serving his own agenda.Whether he's an ODM supporter or not I have no idea.But of course that is his right.
However,his agenda is definitely not the national one.That I believe.My attention was absolutely arrested by his demand to the US congress that the IRI exit poll, believed to prove a Kibaki defeat,be immediately released.For those not in the know, that exit poll was conducted by Strategic Research on behalf of IRI.It showed a massive Raila victory of more than eight points.However,IRI decided to withhold those results when they discovered that Strategic's pollsters only polled specific areas as opposed to conducting a comprehensive survey.Maina must know this.Yet he still wants a flawed exit poll released to further inflame ODM supporters,not to mention re-motivate the Kalenjin "warriors".
I am not certain as to this man's sanity.


So you stll believe that PNU won and that they won fairly? Come on guys, even Kalonzo Musyoka admitted publicly just before he was named VP that there was rigging both in PNU and ODM. People on this forum are always talking about evidential reports that RV violence was ethnic cleansing. What most of these guys (pro-PNU) totally refuse to talk about is REPORTS from some ECK commissioners, EU observers, Maina Kiai(who was an observer)local observers etc, etc that 2007 presidential election results were rigged or to be polite flawed in favour of PNU. The root cause or the spark of the post election violence is the vote "stealing" claim. Why is it that most of us on this forum talk of selective reports (ethnic cleansing reports in RV) and forget the root cause of the problem (rigging claim reports?

The only way out of this quagmire is level thinking.We MUST admit that both Kibaki and Raila camps have errored. Let us be bold enough and speak out the truth like Gitobu Imanyara and Wangari Maathai are doing without being partisan, and we shall be set free. Looking at things from one point of view is NOT helpful.


well said. well said.
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written by obsever , February 11, 2008
Am confused, is the stealing of the elections a justifiable reason for ethnic cleansing?

How exactly is ethnic cleansing going to address the issue of electoral rigging? and the denial of its existence?
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written by Ndorobo , February 11, 2008
@Nori
Why is it that most of us on this forum talk of selective reports (ethnic cleansing reports in RV) and forget the root cause of the problem (rigging claim reports?


Maybe you do not get it. The Ethnic Cleansing and the flawed elections are mutually exclusive events. In my view, the election date was just Zulu time to execute "Majimbo-ism". You might call Majimbo devolution or whatever scholarly term you chose. However, in the RV this has always been code for "get certain tribes from here". So, whether Raila would have won or not, the violence would still have been there in the RV.
What we are saying is that the hate message on vernacular radio did not start after the elections , it started BEFORE the elections. The 41 vs 1 strategy did not start after the elections, it started before the elections. the Kalenjin warriors were not trained after the elections. The listing of homes owned by Kukuyus did not start after the elctions. The leaflets in Molo and its environs were already in circulation before the elections.
Unless we igonore causality, then it does follow that the apparently flawed elections had little to do with the violence in Northern RV.
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written by Liz , February 11, 2008
Maina Kiai should realize he is Kenyan and what he is saying is wrong and should reconsider if he is even a leader. May God judge him coz he is just crazy ....if he loves Kenya he should say the whole truth. God Help Us Kenyans from selfish pple ...God help us. All Kenyans who are truely Kenyans should pray coz we are in a place where only God can help us. God is the one who uplholds a leader Kibaki is the perfect he has made mistakes so have we all lakini to do this to kenya insigaste violence and then say Human rights ....my dear relax and be real ...if u love Kenya. Maina ....please say the truth ....u r lying say the truth/......
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written by James Watt , February 11, 2008


So you stll believe that PNU won and that they won fairly? Come on guys, even Kalonzo Musyoka admitted publicly just before he was named VP that there was rigging both in PNU and ODM. People on this forum are always talking about evidential reports that RV violence was ethnic cleansing. What most of these guys (pro-PNU) totally refuse to talk about is REPORTS from some ECK commissioners, EU observers, Maina Kiai(who was an observer)local observers etc, etc that 2007 presidential election results were rigged or to be polite flawed in favour of PNU. The root cause or the spark of the post election violence is the vote "stealing" claim. Why is it that most of us on this forum talk of selective reports (ethnic cleansing reports in RV) and forget the root cause of the problem (rigging claim reports?

The only way out of this quagmire is level thinking.We MUST admit that both Kibaki and Raila camps have errored. Let us be bold enough and speak out the truth like Gitobu Imanyara and Wangari Maathai are doing without being partisan, and we shall be set free. Looking at things from one point of view is NOT helpful.

I don't believe the original poster said anything about Kibaki winning fairly but as someone who does believe that Kibaki did win fairly allow me to state my case.
There are 2 or 3 reports out there about the last general elections. The 1st one was by the Commonwealth obsevers. This one while noting that the elections weere flawed, does offer precious little if any evidence/observations. The 2nd was by KEDOF. This basically offers 2 thrusts as to how the election was rigged. The 1st is the unaccounted for difference between the presidential tally and the parliamentary one. It is interesting to note(PNU sources) that that difference stood at 650k+ in 1992, and 350k+ in 1997. In last years election the no. was 350k + 'inflated' and about 120k+ under counted. Also, the differences is across the board and not only in Pro Kibaki constituencies. Although I agree that Kibaki got more than Raila. The 2nd thrust is through a thoroughly entertaing account of what transpired during the verification exercise, with a certain Mr. Kipkemoi playing lead role. It reads more like a novel than the work of an objective body.
Lastly we have ODM claims,that were published a few weeks back. 47 constituencies where th votes were inflated. Just look at this 3 constituencies will show u that ODMs case stands on shaky ground.
Juja: ODM would have you believe that the turn out here was a mere ridiculous 33% and they back up with evidence which shows a form 16. The interesting thing is that the results shown on the form are from only 111 polling stations while JUJA: according to ECK has 231 polling stations. Note there were 27 00 polling stations nation wide, which works to an average of 128 polling stations/ constituency and Juja with 163k + voters presents one of the biggest constituencies. Juja parliamentary 113k voters, presidential 119k voters, civic 120k voters.
KANDARA: According to ODM a turn out of 40%. Ridiculous.
EMBAKASSI: the differnce between parliamentary and presidential votes here was about 37k. ODM argues that this differnce to added to one Mwai Kibaki's total. They subsequently substract this figure toi bring Kibakis haul here to 34k votes. Note. The PNU and DP candidate had a combined total of 50k votes. Not to mention the myriad of PNU affiliates also running here (including David Mwenje). Raila had 50k votes while the ODM man running here, one Melitus Mugabe Were (R.I.P)only had 35k votes.
NAIVASHA: Intereting thing here is that the PNU and Kanucandidates combined for a total of 78k votes while Kibaki only got 58k votes.Fishy, and ODM wants to further decimate this votes.
Clearly ODM wants to lower the votes coming from Central,and as Kenyans, our votes are no less important or valued than those in Nyanza.
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written by pikikirinijimisinti , February 11, 2008
all are worried about votes, not about the hungry, the dying, the houseless, the threatened and the undermined, the theiving and the applauding of theft, unjust judges and windvane officials...
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written by Patrick Kariuki , February 12, 2008
As you can probably guess, I am a Kibaki supporter.I have been one since 1992.Back then,when I was younger(actually,I wasn't old enough to vote),it was simply because of ethnicity.We are both Kikuyus from Nyeri.Indeed,back then,I even disliked Matiba,almost as much as Moi.Today,I am older and wiser.Ethnicity still plays a big role in my life.It affects my attitudes and way of life.However, its not that big a deal any more.My girlfriend isn't from my tribe and a Kalenjin is actually one of my most cherished drinking buddies-just the other Saturday we shared a cold Tusker over some morbid jokes.I suspect this is true for many people in this forum.Yes,I still support Kibaki.And yes,I am proud that he's a kiuk.But am even prouder of how he's run the economy and how he's the only President in Africa who can calmly listen to insults from the likes of over-eager young turks like Ababu Namwamba and forget about it.
Anyway, what's my point?That we Kenyans are some of the most excellent people on earth-until politics intrudes.Even then,as individuals,we still exhibit a level of savvy that is perhaps only matched in Africa by the South Africans.It's our groups that get us into trouble.And that's because our politicians,oh,they never give us a chance.They never allow us to rise above ourselves.Always,they deliberately push us back down to the lowest common denominator-the tribe-where it is easy to mobilise us.And we let them.How easily we let them.Group think takes over with a vengeance.And all of a sudden,if you attack Kibaki's presidential record,you are attacking the house of Mumbi.If Raila coughs,the Vesuvius that is Kisumu erupts.
Of one thing I am sure.Some idiot on CNN compared us to Rwanda and Haiti.That we are not.We are even greater than some Eastern European countries,like Serbia.We have a greatness that,once in a while(like in 2002,like in 2005,and everyday in the economy)rears its beautiful head and makes the world take notice.It surprises even us sometimes.Again what's my point?That it's okay to have a tribe and to love it.But it's not okay to behave like your tribe is the center of the universe.That is to be an idiot.Kikuyus have been accused of this but,really,this constant singling out of kiuks is quite dishonest.We all think our tribe is superior and can do better than the other.Otherwise,why would the Kalenjins want the RV to themselves?Honestly,even arap Mibey's people,the Luo,are being attacked in the north rift by Kalenjins!
So,how about we think our country is the best for a change? Then we will realise that nobody,not even the riggers(that includes Raila too), knows who won these damn elections but every fool knows who nearly lost a country-and that's us.
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written by Nori , February 12, 2008
Maina ....please say the truth ....u r lying say the truth/......


He has already said it all. Factual findings, it does not matter whether it is music or noise to our ears. What counts is that KIAI has said it all plainly and candidly. Facts that are not a composition of his own making but of HRC as a whole. Sadly TRUTH IS A BITTER PILL TO SWALLOW.
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written by a guest , February 12, 2008
As you can probably guess, I am a Kibaki supporter.I have been one since 1992.Back then,when I was younger(actually,I wasn't old enough to vote),it was simply because of ethnicity.We are both Kikuyus from Nyeri.Indeed,back then,I even disliked Matiba,almost as much as Moi.Today,I am older and wiser.Ethnicity still plays a big role in my life.It affects my attitudes and way of life.However, its not that big a deal any more.My girlfriend isn't from my tribe and a Kalenjin is actually one of my most cherished drinking buddies-just the other Saturday we shared a cold Tusker over some morbid jokes.I suspect this is true for many people in this forum.Yes,I still support Kibaki.And yes,I am proud that he's a kiuk.But am even prouder of how he's run the economy and how he's the only President in Africa who can calmly listen to insults from the likes of over-eager young turks like Ababu Namwamba and forget about it.
Anyway, what's my point?That we Kenyans are some of the most excellent people on earth-until politics intrudes.Even then,as individuals,we still exhibit a level of savvy that is perhaps only matched in Africa by the South Africans.It's our groups that get us into trouble.And that's because our politicians,oh,they never give us a chance.They never allow us to rise above ourselves.Always,they deliberately push us back down to the lowest common denominator-the tribe-where it is easy to mobilise us.And we let them.How easily we let them.Group think takes over with a vengeance.And all of a sudden,if you attack Kibaki's presidential record,you are attacking the house of Mumbi.If Raila coughs,the Vesuvius that is Kisumu erupts.
Of one thing I am sure.Some idiot on CNN compared us to Rwanda and Haiti.That we are not.We are even greater than some Eastern European countries,like Serbia.We have a greatness that,once in a while(like in 2002,like in 2005,and everyday in the economy)rears its beautiful head and makes the world take notice.It surprises even us sometimes.Again what's my point?That it's okay to have a tribe and to love it.But it's not okay to behave like your tribe is the center of the universe.That is to be an idiot.Kikuyus have been accused of this but,really,this constant singling out of kiuks is quite dishonest.We all think our tribe is superior and can do better than the other.Otherwise,why would the Kalenjins want the RV to themselves?Honestly,even arap Mibey's people,the Luo,are being attacked in the north rift by Kalenjins!
So,how about we think our country is the best for a change? Then we will realise that nobody,not even the riggers(that includes Raila too), knows who won these damn elections but every fool knows who nearly lost a country-and that's us.


Encore Patrick, encore. If I was not seated behind this laptop, I would have stood up and given you a standing ovation. In fact, I can still do that. Very well put Patrick.

We all have an origin and inheritance that we are proud of, but when it blinds us to our need to co-exist, create relationships, synergies and complimentaries that contribute to our well-being and our nationhood, then we are better of discarding the negative aspects of that origin.

I want to believe that as a Kikuyu, you would not have continued to be blindly loyal to Kibaki if he was running down the economy and making all of us collectively poor.

Unfortunately, we do not see enough of critical analysis of our leaders and the greater majority of us are willing to follow them, for no other reason, other than a shared tribe. And frankly speaking, I don't get it. Because mismanagement of countries and resources hurts all of us, regardless of whether the man at State House comes from our clan or not.

And that is why we need to move from ethnic based politics to issue based politics. Then and only then, will it cease to matter whether the man or woman at State House is a clan's woman or man. I will be holding him or her accountable for certain deliverables, which of he or she fails to deliver, I will kick him or her out through the ballot box, assuming of course, that at the end of the counting, the Electoral Commission will not tell me that they don't know who won the election, after declaring a winner!
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written by New Day , February 12, 2008
all are worried about votes, not about the hungry, the dying, the houseless, the threatened and the undermined, the theiving and the applauding of theft, unjust judges and windvane officials...


Since the adult groups among the hungry, the dying, the houseless, the threatened and the undermined etc also cast their votes, it makes the argument clearer when they are considered within the context of their voting participation. Otherwise we would need acres of space to address these injustices one by one. This is what they teach you when you take up a lesson in effective writing.
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written by Dainty Jugheads , February 28, 2008
December 30, 2007 is the day Kenyans lost their nationality and espoused tribal brotherhood. As a former kenyan vice president Karanja once told parliament members "This is the day when common decency was thrown out of the window and replaced by political thuggery", I believe as a fellow Kenyan that we are all political thugs aiming to kill our beloved neighbors and friends in the name of ethnicity
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