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Majimboism; an idea whose time has not come PDF Print E-mail
Written by Vitalis Oyudo   
Wednesday, 17 October 2007

A central theme in the struggle to recruit the support of the smaller tribes behind the ODM banner at the coming election is the promise of Majimboism, a thinly veiled euphemism for the anti-Gikuyu sentiment the party is feasting on.

No one knows too well what Majimboism is, it being a loose translation for federalism, based on a hazy memory of what was the proposed constitution of the newly independent Kenya. After less than two years of practice, the experiment was given up on, and the party that had long agitated for it was ingested by the governing KANU party. Its spirit lived on, and with the increased inequality of the Kenyatta years it was the dream of Kenya's smaller communities reacting to what they saw as the monopoly of control the numerically superior central Kenyans had over the destiny of the provinces.

The ascension to the presidency of President Moi in 1978, himself one of the most ardent supporters of the idea of Majimboism did not lead to the taking up of the system, although Moi busied himself as far as was possible trying to distribute the national cake in a more equitable manner. Still, the calls did not die down and as Moi's honeymoon came to an end, and the repression of the Kenyatta years returned, so did the clamour for Majimboism even in zones that were ostensibly pro-KANU.

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But what exactly do the proponents of Majimboism want, and do they really want it? What does Majimboism mean in theory, and what is it in practice? Our experience of decentralization and giving power to the tribes, unleashed from Nairobi has not shown much promise. From the onset of multi-party politics in 1992, there was a liberation of finances from the Exchequer to the districts. The 1993 Road Maintenance Levy Fund, the 1993/4 bursary fund, the 1998/99 Local Authority Transfer Fund, the 1999 constituency Aids fund, the 2003 free primary education, the 1993 rural electrification levy fund and the Constituency Development Fund. In addition the local authorities have themselves been in almost total control of the local political party, and even where they were not; there was very little control from the party's centre in local decision making. So we find that two of the aims of Majimboism are already achieved here. We have local government, elected locally without any meddling Kikuyus in it, and we also have money sent in from Nairobi for the locals to spend as they and not Nairobi sees fit.

But the people are not sated. They want more devolution, more government, more offices. The Bomas Draft goes so far to propose a four-tier system, and with each tier another group of bureaucrats, another barrier to easy service delivery and another source of confusion on who should be in charge of what. We have seen from the failure of CDF to create true growth that more management is needed at the local level. It is not enough to have money sent to the people directly. Left to their own means, the people use CDF to make desks and latrines at hiked prices, so we need professional staff to make these decisions for them, economists and planners, accountants and auditors, a tax collection service, and they need offices, and the regions need courthouses, and even regional parliaments, and these will want for more staff and they will have hefty budgets.

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So it is that the improvement of our infrastructure, and especially our capacity to compete for example with Egypt or South Africa will be diminished as these roads, power stations and railways compete with new parliaments for scarce public funds! So it is that while countries like India are feeling the pinch of all those layers of bureaucracy, and as we continue to lag behind in the ‘Doing Business' charts, we are making it even more laborious to invest in Kenya. The Chinese, with their more centralized system are benefiting at India's expense, who will benefit at ours?

But even before we get there, there's the question of how much time we will spend on the transition to the new system. Where will the boundaries be? What will the capitals of the regions be? What powers will be devolved from the centre to the new the jimbo? Presumably they want to make their own laws, so new judges, new courthouses, new jails and new regulations to deter and confuse investors. They will also want their own policemen, and maybe they will even set up their own parastatals. Again, the national budget gets chewed up with these salaries long before the thought of reforming Kenya's fundamental systems has crossed our minds. We have not thought either of just how these states will be sustained. Under our current constitution, the richer parts of the country fund the poorer parts through an invisible system. This is right and proper, but is it sustainable when the states begin to see themselves as separate entities, when Central Kenya for example sees that it gives the State 100 billion every year, but only gets 10 billion back, while the South Eastern region earns a net of 20 billion every year? What happens when Kikuyus are being kicked out of regions that their tax funds sustain? This is not mere scaremongering. Our economy as currently made-up is largely agricultural and the bulk of our national income is derived from specific regions. What happens when these regions feel they do not want to contribute anymore?

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The dangers of stirring up separatist and irredentist movements are only too real. The memories of the Shifta years or the reality of the strength of the Oromo national feeling may not immediately register on the national psyche, but there is every danger that Majimboism will weaken our national borders and invite further divisions and trouble in our midst.

And what of the time taken in implementing this plan? It is ten years or so since we started work on a new constitution, we have not yet got one. How much of our national energy will we take to sort this one out, and at what opportunity cost?

Finally, let's pay some attention to the consequences of the Majimbo when finally in place. What will the effect be on national sovereignty, and on national unity? We have seen already that the majority of these efforts are informed by a desire to createzones of ethnic exclusion. We have also seen that such sentiments foment ethnic clashes which again will have a catastrophic effect on both local economies and the national one. Remember Burnt Forest and Molo; the Coastal clashes even in urban areas like Likoni were all about zones of ethnic purity. The Kikuyu interloper in the Rift Valley, the Wabara taking all the jobs at the coast were told in no uncertain terms that they were not welcome. What will we do with all these settled people, where will we relocate them and at what cost?

All in all Majimboism is a terrible idea, the consequences of which have not been carefully considered. The ODM is a populist party, and this is election season. The organization's leaders love to throw a party and play on the emotions of the people, but this is a real powder keg, the idea of Majimboism cannot be treated as an inoccuous plaything. It is a matter that calls for leadership. Kenyans must be told in no uncertain terms that they already have devolution and that the key to settling their concerns on self-determination and wealth distribution lie in fairer systems of allocation, affirmative action policies on employment and better creation and implementation of economic plans, not in creating a system that is in all ways too expensive for our small economy. We can keep it in our hearts and maybe implement it when we are a less divided and wealthier state.


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Colonial roots of "majimbo
written by aeichener , October 17, 2007
I would have appreciated it (polite version for: "the author completely fails to..."smilies/wink.gif if V.O. had dealed with the substantial though one side-critique of majimboism by Koigi wa Wamwere.

Yes, Koigi is a vile crook and the only thing that saves him from the gallows is that he might be too lightweight to be successfully strangled by the rope, but every once in a while, he shows intellectual prowess (usually applied for bad causes such as fostering tribalism and hate-mongering), and his article on Majimbo did exactly that.

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written by Stephen Wainaina , October 17, 2007
I actually prefer Oyudo's article. Koigi goes too much into the meanings behind the words, which meanings are of no use to the modern Kenyan. The desire for Majimbo is a loose desire to be independent of the big tribes. He alludes to this without saying it explicitly. This is what is behind the ethnic cleansing, for the idea is to have semi-autonomous regions where one community dominates. Koigi goes a little too far, no one has ever suggested having 42 jimbos!
I wonder also, say we have a Southern Rift region. Will it not still have a substantial number of Agikuyu, the very people it is supposed to be fleeing?
In the old days the big tribes were considered to be the Luo and Agikuyu. With new formulations like Kalenjin and Luhya, are these now 'small' tribes? Or are the Agikuyu the only tribe that can be called big? What will the Abagusii say of being dominated in Nyanza? Will they want their own jimbo? Is this not a debate we should have when we are more settled?

Is it not interesting that on so many things, the Jaramogi Oginga Odinga has many disciples who do not at all support Raila Odinga?
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21 questions
written by Timothy Wainaina , October 17, 2007
Politicians are incredibly irresponsible. Why is President Kibaki going about creating new distrcits? One would really expect that the smaller districts are being merged!!

Great article Vitalis.
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written by aeichener , October 17, 2007
The ethnification of what today is called Kenya (a country created by a railway line) is basically a colonial product. This so far is pretty much an accepted ethnological trivialism.

In the pre-iron-snake past, ethnic migration and ethnic mixing was always fluid. Small ethnia were beleaguered, exterminated or simply sucked up. Peaceful co-existence, mercantile exchange, mutual cultural influence, and frequent intermarriage however co-existed with a brutal arrogant racism (of the Maasai conqueror persuasion) that would have made a Cecil Rhodes and a Henrik Verwoerd blush crimson with shame.

Thanks to a higher kind of justice, since the 1850s, a sequence of devastating cattle epidemias, bloody internecine strifes and lastly well-aimed volleys from British Martini-Henry rifles and Maxim machineguns cut the wannabe Maasai Übermenschen back to human size.

What does that all have to do with Majimbo? The danger of negative ethnicity and of brutal "cleansing", which is frequently called up from a dark grimoire, is not something that is innate in Kenyan history nor in the character of Kenyan ethnias (with the one above notable exception: and those had no desire to clean and expunge, their ego needed subservient negro peons to dominate).

Previous to colonialism, Kenyan history has always been one of ethnic intermix and migration, not one of exclusion. A history not necessarily unviolent (the immigrating black Kenyans, both Bantus and Luos, have quite successfully dispossessed and decimated, sometimes even exterminated the first inhabitants of their present lands, lands which they snatched by the same right as the white colonialists did on their turn later); but a history that that should properly exclude any fiction of ethnic uniformity.

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Time For Majimbo
written by Abdullah Rashid , October 17, 2007
Well, as a Somali I know my people are for Majimbo and thus ODM will get our votes. Make no mistake about this. Answering the author, I will copy and paste an excellent article from the Kalenjin Online by one John Cheruiyot. Read it.
The arch opponents of Majimbo namely Mwai Kibaki, Daniel Moi, Simeon Nyachae and Koigi WaMwere have all dismissed Majimbo as irrelevant and inapplicable in Kenya.They argue that Majimbo would put the nation asunder by igniting tribal wars and absolute tribalism. These key opponents argue that Majimbo died naturally in the 1960s.



It should be noted that both Majimbo and multiparty were abolished in the 1960s.Multiparty democracy died in 1964 when Moi and Kadu diehards crossed over from the opposition to Kanu-then the ruling party. It should further be noted that Majombo was abolished in 1967 when bicameral parliament was abolished in favor of parliament without senate. It should be note that multiparty democracy was abolished in 1983 through the enactment of section 2A,which was proposed by Charles Njonjo and seconded by Mwai Kibaki making Moi era a one party democracy and a dictatorship.

It was in the second liberation in 1992 that multiparty democracy was operationaizedThose who opposed multiparty democracy are the very same ones who today oppose Majimbo system of government. They use the same logic and reasons to rubbish federal dispensation. They reason that Majimbo will ignite tribal clashes and tribal wars. They reason that Majimbo will bring down the economy by balkanization of the country.

Indeed the third and the final liberation in Kenya will be marked by the operationalization of federal system in a nation that has remain backward for 44 years and held hostage by absolute centralization which is both colonial and retrogressive.

All the leading economies and democracies are both federal and multiparty. If Kenya maintained her initial federal and multiparty dispensation in 1963 to date this country would truly be a tiger of Africa.
Nations that are both federal and Majimbo and multiparty include the unpopular superpower-the US, Germany, Switzerland, Canada, Australia, India, Brazil, South Africa, Nigeria among others.
In the US they have over 50 governors in charge of the over 50 states. The same is true for India, Germany and Switzerland. Are the Majimbo and multiparty nations of the world tribal and regional cocoons? Are there tribal wars in India, Brazil, US, Belgium and other Majimbo nations?

Today Kenya is more tribal and more balkanized politically and economically. The water ministry for example awarded Nyeri district over 800million shillings for water projects giving only 4million to North Eastern an ASAL region that needed and still needs more water projects than any region in the land.
Current centralized system has marginalized communities and regions for the last 44 years of Kenya’s independence.

Tribalism is real today than any time in Kenya’s history. The cure of marginalization and tribalism hinges in operalization of both multiparty democracy and Majiimbo dispensation.The arguments of anti Majimbo opponents are thus hollow and have no merit.If each of the eight regions of Kenya had their regional governments under regional leadership Kenya would be a success story. The government of North Eastern would have given priority projects that promote their economic and social development. North Eastern would today be having her universities, her research institutions, her industries and her airports. North Eastern is endowed with massive natural resources which have been untapped and unexplored in the last 44 years. North Eastern with better climatic conditions than Botswana and Egypt would today be an economic powerhouse if Kenya adopted Majimbo and particularly the Lancaster House Constitution of 1963.

Nyanza on the other hand endowed with excellent climate would to date be Kenya’s center of textile and garment manufacturing hub. Kenya today would be a world class export of garments like China, India and Taiwan.The same would apply for Western and Coast.Majimbo is not a monster but a liberator and a piston of national economic engine.Current Kenya GDP of $15billion is a prove that the old order that was ushered into the nation in 1963 has become irrelevant and impotent. Besides Kenya people who authored the BOMAS draft revived the idea of Majimbo it is not the ODM leadership that demands the Majimbo dispensation. It is the people of Kenya who have been oppressed by subsequent Mafia’s since independence. The Kiambu mafia, the Rift Valley and now the Mt.Kenya mafia first oppressed them.

The ever rising popularity of Raila and ODM is merely the pursuit of the peoples’ aspirations and ideals.
The centralized system has over the last 44 years created a superrich minority wallowing in affluence when poverty and absolute penury ravage the masses.All who now support PNU are the superrich who have benefited a lot from current oppressive system in place. They fear that their fortunes would be dashed by the emergence of new players.

They are panicky for nothing. Marimba does not cause forced migrations as argued by the opponents.
South Africa is a classic example. They white community are still at home in South Africa than in any other nation. What Majimbo does is to empower regions to manage and exploit their resources. It will help make regions and communities be part of the army fighting against poverty.Indeed 2007 general election will usher into the nation a third final liberation.

Kenyans today than ever before are determined to embrace both Majimbo and multiparty democracy.
What is a fact in Majimbo dispensation is:Rift Valley state will be under Kamatusa.North Eastern will be under Cushites, Coast under Mijikenda,Centreal under Kikuyu,Eastern under Kamba and Gema.,Western under Luhya and Nyanza under Luo-Kisii leadership. What is wrong with that?Each region and each community will have a part and a role to play. Kenya will become a multiethnic and multiracial nation it really is. Each community will for the first time feels and enjoy being part of a great nation.

In the US for example diversity is cherished and Americans are proud to be German American, Asian American, Arab American, French American, African American-Americans are proud of their diversity. The contrary is true in Kenya.Kenyans are ashamed of being Luo Kenyan, Kalenjin Kenyan, Luhya Kenyan, Mijikenda Kenyan, Kisii Kenyan, Arab Kenyan-why this scenario?The old guards who dismantled Majimbo and multiparty democracy in post independent Kenya demonized national diversity. Being a Luo or Kalenjin,or Kikuyu or a Luhya or Mijikenda is both sinful and primitive.

This deception has demolished Kenya’s creative genius. The old guards have made it sin to demand for Majimbo.Indeed Majimbo will make Kenya a great and a stable economy the way India’s and Germany have become. The popularity of Raila is a sign that Kenyans want both Majimbo and multiparty democracy. They are as vital and necessary as two eyes, two legs, two nostrils, two ears, two eyes and two hands to every human being man or a woman or a child with one leg or one eye or one hand does not enjoy maximum joy of physically mobility. Kenya without Majimbo and multiparty has been a cripple and a real disabled nation.

The Steadman Poll that put Raila at 53% followed by Kibaki at 37% is not some figment of imagination. It is the reality on the ground. Kenyans want real change and a real tsunami at that.Demonization of Majimbo will not deter Kenyans from embracing it with passion and fanatism.The Kalenjin of Rift Valley do not share Moi’s demonization of both ODM and Majimbo, on the contrary all the communities of Rift Valley see Moi’s views as personal but not theirs. It is reflected in Steadman Poll, which put Kalenjin who support Raila at 76% and only 13% supporting Kibaki. Majimbo is an idea whose time is now!
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written by Kamale , October 17, 2007
I recall in the early days of multi-partyism there were calls for majimbo as an answer to the anticipated hegemony by Kikuyus and Luos then leading the opposition. A rally was held in Kiambu where the opposition MPs rallied the people to support majimbo saying the Kikuyus would benefit from it as they had the resources and good land to fend for themselves and this included land in the Kikuyu diaspora that extended into Rift Valley. After that rally, the calls for Majimbo ended and Kenyans lived happily ever after.

Now we are back to the same loop.

We need to understand why these calls are being made and the author of this article got it very right. It is simply tribal balkanisation of the country and at the end of it all, the luhyias in Trans Nzoia, Eldoret etc will want to be aligned to their homeland in westeern province whilst the kikuyus in rift valley will want alignment to their relatives in central! Tower of babel? I think so.

The second lie repeated is that it will allow each region to grow. The writer from Kalenjin Online repeats this about NEP having the resources that are untapped and which would only unravel at the advent of majimbo. So are we saying that leaders from the region and all governments have conspired not tap these resources that could enrich the region? We are going to hear all sorts of justifications not held with any truth until someone comes and tells the people they will fund their own regions and then the calls will die!
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jaramogi against silliness
written by Amir Ibrahim , October 17, 2007
There are those of us who esteem the father more than we do the son. Vitalis shows full well that this silly idea wil never come to fruition. As he proposes, is it not much better to ensure just distribution of resources in the local governments.

Again, just in case anyone missed it. Every constituency, every county and municipality and town council already controls both its decision making and a hefty hefty budget. Do we really suppose that taxing Kenyans even more will lead to an improved economy? Are there any Luos or Kikuyus interfering in the work of the Garissa's councils or the decisions of the Wajir East constituency? Are these projects we speak about not already feasible?

There's a folly in Kenyan politics that assumes that only when in government can one do something to make a difference to the lives of his constituents. And even when they get there, still the MPs want to be Ministers and Presidents, for it is only then that they can bring development.

Rashid,
The countries you point out had very different histories than Kenya does today. Don't you find it odd that while the spirit in the world is towards political entities coming together, we are looking to see how we can take ours apart?
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People against Devolution
written by mimimzalendo , October 17, 2007
Same People against DEVOLUTION were against re-introduction of MULTIPARTY.

Same person who told us bringing multiparty is like cutting a mugumo tree in 1991 was telling us in 2007 that introducing devolution is like having a bad dream and thinking its real.

Same People against DEVOLUTION were against re-introduction of MULTIPARTY.

MOI - Presided over the advent of dictatorial state and single party

KIBAKI - As VP, in 1982, helped turn Kenya into a single party

KARUME - 1976 tried to change katiba to suit GEMA future interests

NYACHAE - Ironically started and killed District Focus. 1-party hawk.

MICHUKI - Colonial homeguard descendant, turned PA into anti-people

BIWOTT - Troubleshooter for MOI/KANU, co-influenced 1-party state

KAMOTHO - Was MOI/KANU Sec-Gen in 1990's, 1-party spokesman.

KIHIKA - Was part of the '76 Ngoroko Group to sustain GEMA interests

AWORI - Historical E.African political family that served Kenyatta, Moi and Kibaki, Museveni. Ironically supports jimbos in Uganda but not in Kenya.
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written by emmo opoti , October 18, 2007
I have always been very sympathetic to calls for Majimbo, especially because as something of an anarchist, I view this as bringing government closer to the people- and closer to extinction. I'd even say town councils and village councils should be where we deposit the bulk of the power. Give people responsibility for what happens in their lives.

However, like Oyudo's article most eloquently presents ( thank God every day for all the great writers here ), there are cost implications to a shift from one system to the other.

Rashid glosses over the fact that Belgium's federation is in great trouble, as is the Indian one. The Americans and the Germans have had a long history together, and they are rich countries that can afford the burden. Even there however, there is no end to calls for seperation or for the endless competition for political power between the centre and the states. The Americans have already fought a civil war to preserve their union.

Students of Indian history will no doubt recall the extreme violence that has been caused by the partition, not just at independence but also at the creation of Pakistan and within India's states. Anyone remember the Bengali violence, the Gujarati violence, Sikh separatism? What happens when the policies of the government in Nairobi are opposed by the leaders in Garissa? Does Rashid not see the dangers in our current Christian fundamentalist state of creating Islamic zones?

The question of economic viability is also of utmost importance, and it is perhaps for this more than any other reason that we must think twice before devolving further. Can we afford it? Do we really want bridges competing with parliamentary staffing for fund allocation? We are already giving our councillors 300,000/- a month, how much will we give the regional MPs, how many of them will there be? And their staff? What of the cost of the increased competition for prestige between the regions? I remember reading in Achebe's the trouble with Nigeria about state governors seeking to create prestige projects, like massive stadia and tv stations to show off to the other states. Nigeria itself is another example of the extreme difficulty of handling a federal state.

It is for this reason that we must think out and craft a thoroughly prepared policy. There will be migrations, whether forced or not. Our history of ethnic clashes ( and these will increase as our populations grow and climate change brings on more droughts and famines) does not promise a very bright future for these regions.

In the end I must say that as sympathetic as I am to granting people self-determination and to the idea of weakening the centre as much as possible, like with most other things our politicians do, a lack of planning dooms even the very best ideas to failure.
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written by aeichener , October 18, 2007
I am quite impressed by the thoughtful and deep discussion, which has been conducted very respectfully. My compliments to everybody!

Alexander
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re: Time For Majimbo
written by Juma , October 18, 2007
I agree totally with Majimbo system myself. I have not understood why Kikuyus believe that Majinmboism is anti Kikuyu.

Kikuyus believe that ODM is thriving on anti Kikuyuism. Which ODM candidate has spoken about this.This falsehood must be stopped. Aren't there Kikuyus in ODM? I know very many kikuyu youths who shall vote for ODM in the coming elections.

But let the truth be said: Kenyans cannot take the arrogance being displayed by the government functionaries for granted. Neither should it be blamed on the Kikuyu. NO!!

Why are Kikuyus being led to feel/believe that when Kenyans challenge a government they(Kenyans) elected, then it is being anti Kikuyu.

Mark you, Kikuyus never voted for Kibaki the way/to the extent other kenyans voted for him. It is therefore dishonest for anyone to raise high the Kikuyu banner to claim that ODM/other kenyans are anti Kikuyus. This is meant to whip emotions of our Kikuyu brothers/sisters.

If the government has under performed, then it should be voted out! Not the Kikuyus. We did not elect Kikuyus in 2002. Did we, Vitalis?

My colleagues from central province have been alienated by the power barons and made to feel that they are under siege. This opinion must cease henceforth.

The power barons fear the market loss to their investments in Nairobi and its suburbs that they imagine the onset of Majimbo will bring.

The truth is that 90% of Kikuyu barons fear that other Kenyans will go back to their rural homes and leave them empty handed in Nairobi. The rental houses,transport,mboga, milk,fruits etc will certainly dim with majimbo government. It is not the common Kikuyu man/woman who will bear the brunt of all this 'market loss'

Vitalis omits to address several things in his wonderful input;

1. The town/county clerk is so powerful that you cannot convince me that the councillors have any say on the funds of the Local authorities. For your information, the Clerk is appointed by the Minister in charge of Local authorities and is the CEO of the council. Majimbo will ensure that the CEO of the council is elected and answerable to the common man, not Nairobi.

2. If majimbo is that bad as Vitalis sates, then why are we having all this problems we are having with a unitary presidential system since independence?

3. Vitalis, there is total alienation of almost all communities in Kenya and the 18 or so jimbos proposed in the Bomas draft will address the alienation that started during the colonial times.

We must confront tribalism by identifying it and slaying it in 2007. we must all remove our clothes and bathe and start life anew.

We cannot simply continue in this manner. No, never! That everyone of our sons and daughters clears O'levels and head to Nairobi for job hunting.

And when we talk of CDF on a larger scale yes, but we have no say at the grassroots - Kenyans want a say at the grassroots. We want it like yesterday.

Do you want to make me believe that other Kenyans are very clever than the North Eastern colleagues of ours? That they are lazy? And that Kikuyus, Merus,Luhyas,Luos,Giriams are very hardworking?

No please.Time is up for such lies that we have heard since uhuru time.


Please, Vitalis,we want Majimbo today, if possible.

We want to have a say on how our God given resources are expolited and expended in a more constructive and powerful way.

If somebody built rental houses, has a business etc in Nairobi and they are going to suffer, so be it. Kenyans should not suffer coz of them.

Also, If you grabbed, time is up. we want Truth and Restitution and then Reconciliation and then Majimbo. To me, in that order.

This majimbo thing is really scaring the homeguards category of our society.

The ODM government must come up first with a marshall plan to address such inequalities as at the coast, Nyanza and North eastern.

Then we go Majimbo.In phases though.

And on allocation, not everyone will get the same allocation, i believe. A formula should be arrived at like in the CDF case.

For those who equate majimboism to anti Kikuyuism, its up to them. Let the real thing be brought out. We do not want to be distracted anymore by such cries.

Furthermore, there will be a referendum which i'm sure not less than 80% of Kenyans will go Majimbo way.
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written by Old School , October 18, 2007
In my opinion there are too many vested class and ethnic interests in majimbo. Those who have think majimbo will simply re-distribute their had earned wealth and taxes to less productive regions. The less productive regions present a counter argument saying that if resource allocation was fair from the word go they would not be as underdeveloped as they are now.

If any of us became president, the ministry of finance and the ministry of road will automatically skew the development allocations and budget estimates to our home areas. There are no checks and balances in place to ensure other areas are ignored.

50% of Kenyans who live under poverty are just looking for a better deal for themselves and bringing the cake closer home seems to make sense to them. It upon our leaders to make that work whether they call it majimbo, CDF kubwa or something else.

My question to our leaders is how do you address historical inequities and what do you call that method? Politicians have quickly called it majimbo coz it can sell but reality is that we need a tailor made solution for Kenya.

Offer an alternative for majimbo. I dont think "kazi iendelee" is offering an alternative. They think there is no problem to fix.
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Author terribly misguided
written by Man R , October 18, 2007
I can't believe Mr. Oyudo spent so much bandwidth to say absolutely nothing. If I wanted to hear such misguided scare-talk, I'd follow Moi and Kibaki around for the rest of my life.

Dude, federalism will ensure equitable distribution of resources in Kenya and will stem abuse of power by the executive.

Mr. Oyudo, the jury has found you guilty of over-thinking a simple problem. You have been sentenced to singing the alphabet for the rest of the day.
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An Idea whose time has come
written by seline , October 19, 2007
I have witnessed how majimbo can actually spur economic development, when decentralization was introduced in France in 2003.Living in a region that was constantly ignored by the French central government,decentralization came as a big blessing and the local authorities agressively marketed the region, making Western France (Bretagne) one of the fastest growing regions in France today. Now back to the kenyan model, this may be quite complicated, given the fact that we tend to reason along ethnic lines. But i cannot dismiss the idea as simple rhetoric. ODM should clearly explain to kenyans what kind of majimbo we are talking about here, everyone seems to have their own idea as to what the structural organization of the much touted Majimbo will look like. until they (ODM) presents us with clear-cut strategies on how this will work, people will keep om doubting. It is one thing to eat, drink, sleep and talk Majimbo, but it is another thing to sell the idea, convinnce kenyans how workable this policy is. I guess with a little bit of collective brainstormimg (of all kenyans, not just ODM) we can actaully polish up this idea and make something out of it.
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written by Vitalis Oyudo , October 19, 2007
Actually, I had a whole lot more I wanted to put into the article, including different options that may work better, but you have to stick with one idea at a time, and for now I think we are still too fragile for such bold and in the scheme of things, unnecessary moves.

If you asked me, I'd say the ODM people are only lying. There will be no Majimbo.
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written by Vitalis Oyudo , October 19, 2007
There are different concepts of Majimbo. It is unlikely that they have discussed it fully, and implementation will be a great mess, expect defections and even the collapse of the government. It is not possible that the Giriama for example and the Nandi or the Luo will want the same thing out of the new arrangement. It is one thing taking a popular stance to win an election and quite another delivering it when you are charged with balancing the book. The little I can see about ODM shows that there's little substance behind it.

Even my neighbour Anyang' Nyong'o seems to have lost his marbles.
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written by Vitalis Oyudo , October 19, 2007
Thank you Tim.

Alex,
Kenyan society has been transformed a great deal by the movements caused by the creation of White Highlands. This led to communities being pushed out of their areas and into the ancient lands of other communities. After independence, Kenyatta continued this to an even greater degree. You will realise that the majority of the ethnic clashes in Kenya, have taken place not at the borders between two communities, but where there is a 'foreign' group transplanted into another's lands. Burnt Forest

With people like 'lie-low-like-envelopes' Ntimama in ODM, and the Coast hot as it is for Raila, one can be sure that there will be expulsions. Moi became a scapegoat for a lot during his years that frankly was just plain old territorial wars, this is why they have continued even after he left office. There is land, water and other resource pressure, and like everywhere in the world, when in trouble blame the different.
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written by Vitalis Oyudo , October 19, 2007
Rashid,
Most respectfully. No province will suffer more from Majimboism that North Eastern Province. Already there are serious clashes between clans are there not? What will happen when there's so much more to fight for.
Surely you must also realise that NEP at the moment is a net recipient of transfer funds. Will it be self-sustainable standing on its own? What happens when the Americans come to attack you next time, alleging that the government in Garissa supports terrorists? What happens when you have your parliament? Where will it be? What will the Wajir people say when you want it in Mandera?

I am not saying that this is unworkable, but it needs a lot more time to implement than we are giving here. Kenya's poverty is not just about money, it is also about ideas and the capacity to implement projects.

Rift Valley province -Kes 804,753,997

Eastern Province -Kes 589,652,515.65

Nyanza province -Kes 637,710,743.95

Coast Province -Kes 477,826,718.45

Western province -Kes 434,457,018

Central Province -Kes 392,058,851

North Eastern -Kes 127,978,200

Nairobi Province -Kes 80,792,150

All that is CDF money that the MPs have not withdrawn from the banks. I see there 127,978,200. Now ODM promises to raise this four-fold. Does that mean there will be more money left over? Will the bulk of money go into 'creating jobs' in the Ministries there?

Let's not lose sight of the ball. The problem is poor resource allocation, poor policy implementation and favouritism. More government will not solve our problems.
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written by Vitalis Oyudo , October 19, 2007
I often despair of democracy in Kenya. Does our poverty make us this gullible? Very few of the proposed regions are self-sustaining. The richest areas, apart from Central Province are not homogenous, and that is where the strife will begin.

Here is a list of the hot-spots during the clashes in the 1990s. Like I have said, we loved to blame Moi, but even now the clashes are still on.

Enoosopukia
Molo
Mai Mahiu
Burnt Forest
Meitei in Nandi

Wherever you can find a settlement scheme of 'outsiders' you will find trouble, the politicians actually want this sort of trouble so as to consolidate their power. Even if there are no outright expulsions, any minority populations in these regions will have to play ball, -or else. Can you imagine Kikuyus in South Rift being allowed to control half the local parliament?
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written by Vitalis Oyudo , October 19, 2007
Nigeria is a particularly bad example of Federalism. It shows how much waste and discord poorly planned and managed federalism can be.
It is often assumed, that with Federalism there will be a control of 'our own resources.' Nothing could be further from the truth, Nairobi will still decide a large part of the budget, and it is impossible to have it any other way because that would mean the non-self sustaining regions are devastated. At the same time however, this regulation causes tension in the system, as the richer regions begin to resent the rest.
So even if as Coastals hope they will be in charge of their province. The bulk of that tourism and mining income will still end up in Nairobi, and for those living in the sea-front districts, they will still have to share it with people in rural Kwale, in Taveta and in Tana River.
Unless we are dissolving our state, we will still have to share, and Nairobi will eat up the bulk of it.
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written by Vitalis Oyudo , October 19, 2007
My dear brother,
I can say with great certainty. Raila Odinga is not for Majimboism. Please send us a picture of your shocked face when he says you quoted him out of context.

The books will be considered in January, and a tired nation, after the Bomas debate is up, will ask to forget Majimbo for some time.
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written by Vitalis Oyudo , October 19, 2007
I also wonder what will happen when we have demarcated borders, and regions of ethnic jurisdiction and control. What happens when a felon from Wajir blows up a hotel in Nairobi? Will we start to wall off North Eastern province?

We are far too young as a state to be experimenting with weakening our bonds. They will come apart.
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written by Vitalis Oyudo , October 19, 2007
First of all, I think we need to get as far away from the idea that the government will make us wealthy as possible. I would really prefer that there were specific things people wanted from Majimbo, and not just more money.

Is it hospitals, is it schools, water services, electricity, jobs? Is it just that we want to be ruled in our natural tribal states? Do those exist at all?

For me the calls of Majimboism are like a child who is insisting on leaving the family home before he has got a job or even the competence to survive on his own. He insists that the family give him money to sustain himself on the outside, even though he has a better chance of agitating for a bigger slice of family revenue when on the inside.
If this is about povery reduction, then we must realise that all those extra levels of government will reduce the trickle down even further. If 1 billion leaves Nairobi, it may very well be 400m by the time it gets to Budalangi.
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re: Author terribly misguided
written by Kamale , October 19, 2007
I can't believe Mr. Oyudo spent so much bandwidth to say absolutely nothing. If I wanted to hear such misguided scare-talk, I'd follow Moi and Kibaki around for the rest of my life.

Dude, federalism will ensure equitable distribution of resources in Kenya and will stem abuse of power by the executive.

Mr. Oyudo, the jury has found you guilty of over-thinking a simple problem. You have been sentenced to singing the alphabet for the rest of the day.


Man R

Rather than trash what Oyudo says, why don't you specifically tell us how Majimbo will ensure equitable distribution of resources according to the plans of those pushing for Majimbo? It is not good enough to just repeat what Ruto is telling people that it will ensure this or that hence let us vote for it! Give us specifics, and perhaps in the process tell us why CDF, LATF and Road Levies should be replaced.
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another Rwanda
written by Mr.Kay , October 19, 2007
Majimbo is bound to be a disaster, Kenyan's entering dangerous territory through ODM euphoria.
Oh well, let us learn the hard way?
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too much ado
written by newafroguy , October 20, 2007
Do we know what we are talking about? Are we asking enough good questions? I hear too much conjecture that is based on basically insufficient information. I myself have very few facts on this so I won't be opining yet.

ODM talks of the majimbo version contained in the bomas draft supposedly by the majority of Kenyans that participated. Has anyone read it? What kind of majimbo was proposed, political, economic, partial?

Until we get these specifics am afraid we may very well be the proverbial blind person leading another. (no offense meant to the visually impaired).
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written by emmo opoti , October 20, 2007
Reading Man R, one can only expect that ODM will be very shocked at the business of government. To call changing from a unitary system to a federal one, a simple question is extreme nonsense, even coming from the unending fountain of bilge that is ODM.

Seline,
A most astute comment. Like you I do not think this belongs in an election campaign at all, especially not when you consider that some regions are going to have to support others, to impose that on them by way of an election seems to me immoral and unlikely to work in the long term. This is such a profound re-structuring that if all Kenyans do not feel they have a stake in this, it will be impossible to salvage it or even make a workable compromise later on.
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Why stop at Majimbo give us in
written by Mogiyusuf , October 22, 2007
I have thought long and hard about the political situation in Kenya and i say we will all be winners .no matter who wins . If kibaki wins we can move on and build a better Kenya . If Raila wins then we will have Majimbo and we can as well break up Kenya .

Mt kenya is a very viable Republic so if they want majimbo .i say give them what they want .A jimbo made made up of Mt kenya -northern parts of eastern/central/part of rift valley including naivasha and nakuru and the upper part of nairobi including westlands (kirungi) . We don't have to keep fighting this people or insulting one another on mashada or on the ground .

But if they think they will finance their jimbos with our money they can forget it . So i say since they are tired of Mt Kenya people why force ourselves on them . Let them have their country and let us have our own .With all the taxes we pay the central government, too many villages in central suffer from poverty .instead of supporting people who dont want to farm or even fish . we could spend the millions being used to fight AIDSin those areas to improve the lives of people in our region.

Let them have raila and majimbo and let as have our independence .The United Nations guarantees the right to self determination . So we don't even have to fight and kill each other we can part in peace .

Many kenyans dont like Kikuyus and we cant force them to like them . So why bother each other lets part ways . i have outlined the boundaries that are ours . Vote for raila and enjoy his presidency we will be busy Building Africa's newest Nation .

Let us part ways we don't need to fight each other or insult each other its that simple.Dont stop at Majimbo let those who want to breakway from Kenya do so in peace before we do it by force
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Vitalis - Raila Against Majimb
written by Juma , October 23, 2007
To make such a statement, vitalis, speaks a lot.

How well do you know the man? Or is it a prediction.

It is not a question of Raila or anybody wanting Majimbo - we want it as citizens.

We are not begging anybody to give it to us.
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Majimbo
written by Kimani Onyango , October 26, 2007
All the supports of majimboism neglect to see one point. IT is the redistribution of wealth that the ODM is planning to do. For the more richer or wealther districts do I say, Rift Valley, Central, North Eastern and Nairobi it is not fair. For the other regions where there is more of the population...they are waiting for a free hand out. If the rolls were reversed...Nyanza, Western, Coast,Eastern were the rich provinces...Raila and ODM would not be proposing such a system...it is a false hope that will kill this tsunami wave......if the rich provinces under majimboism elect not to contribute to the pot and decide to be autonomous.....I feel sorry for us in Nyanza and Western because there goes the money
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Majimbo
written by Ombui , October 26, 2007
Majimbo is a great idea but it has to take great deal of time to materialise.

At the moment, Majimbo is a synonym to tribalism because of poor civic education and fixed attitudes.
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written by Gichangi , October 26, 2007
You may very well lose the election on this single issue. ODM's plan is not devolution, that is the ODM-K plan. When Kalonzo starts out-thinking you then you know you are in serious trouble.

Can someone please SMS Balala and ask him to behave more responsibly? Maybe the police should lock him up for a few days. What he said last night is the height of malice and shows quite clearly that ODM's plan SUPPORTS ethnic cleansing.
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Majimbo Not a Kikuyu Bashing
written by Simba Malala , October 26, 2007
I have read keenly the thoughts my fellow Kenyans have penned on the question of Majimboism in Kenya. From The forgoing debate, I have come to the folowing coclution:
1) Majimbo is a campaign issue that has come at the right time. Our hard won democracy is finaly paying off and is maturing. We can now debate on issues that affect us as Kenyans. Majimbo debate is healthy and it has come at the right time.
2) There are those who rightly feel that having a "jimbo" is a fairer way of distributing the cake. I'm one of them. There is obsolutely nothing wrong with for example having Kisii's protect the kisii soapstone and use it for developing there area. Nor is there anything wrong with the maasai's asking for a fair share from tourism.
Those Kenyans who acquired wealthy simply because they were close to seat of power are the ones who are very worried. To be honest, there is nothing to be afraid of. Just like multiparty came, so will majimbo. Change is not always welcome. When it comes we complain alittle but at the end we get used to it. So do majimbo.
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written by emmo opoti , October 26, 2007
Interesting that we were just talking about Balala's statement. It seems Kenyans may soon have to thank ODM for salvaging the national interest by proposing their ethnic jimbos. The Catholic Church has come out against it, and now it seems that the newspapers are also coming out against it.

I think every responsible Kenyan can see that there is a need for reform, for greater distribution and for fairness in public appointments. Perhaps ODM-K's proposal is a just compromise, but creating Kenyan states, especially in this atmosphere is going to be a huge mess.
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Excellent debate
written by Magothe , October 26, 2007
I have been critic in the past, but on this debate, this is the best i've seen anywhere online.
My view is that election time is not the time to discuss far-reaching, potentially very divisive and diversionary issues.
We do have CDF which is economic democracy and i think we should look to make it work over the next 10 years with the economy growing. 10 years will also hopefully give us more maturity politically which is needed above all else because this is solely lacking during this election time
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written by emmo opoti , October 26, 2007
I am very much for devolution, as I believe are most if not all Kenyans. The idea that government belongs to the people is indeed very democratic and just.

The effect of the definition ( what is Majimbo), is to set out in stone expected winners and losers. When it comes in an election year as this has, it very clearly poisons what will be ,really, the single most important institution in our constitution.

Whether it is separation of powers, distribution of wealth or the boundaries of the proposed units, this debate is not going to be an easy one, and the faster ODM realise this, the better for all involves. To settle it over an election is at once incredibly irresponsible and ultimately self-defeating- because elections have winners and losers. Cf. here Versailles 1919.
I'd like everyone to note for example that CDF, LATF and so on are in their own way also re-distribution of resources. They are transfer payments essentially from the economically vibrant parts of the country to less productive sections (how we got there is immaterial here). However, notice that CDF was not met with the hue and cry that calls for Majimbo have met.

What is the difference? Majimbo sets out to redefine who we are as Kenyans. From next year, or whenever, I will not just be emmo opoti, Kenyan I will be emmo opoti, Winam (or whatever it is we will call my jimbo), Kenyan. I will have two loyalties. We may not want to admit that this will cause division, but it is self-evident that we are asking Kenyans to make a choice, where do you belong? This is not in itself dangerous, but it is hardly a trivial task.

We are also redefining what national distribution is. So it will be that a tea farmer in Meru no longer sees Nairobi/ KRA as the villain taking his taxes, rather he sees it as those people in Nyakach/ Kitui/ Turkana/ Mandera. Effectively therefore, we are creating and entrenching the Us vs. Them binaries that will choke our young country even further and fan animosities where we should be doing away with them.

Let's picture the occasion of an election in the Coast Jimbo, and some Kamba man from Changamwe, or a Luo from Likoni is making a strong bid for some seat. Is there anyone so naive as to suggest these Luos will not be treated as foreigners in that jimbo?

Finally, may I point out that when India set out dividing herself up into states, Nehru was so adamantly opposed to division along ethnic/ lingustic lines that he threatened to resign. A short while later it became clear even to the most obdurate that that after all, was all the people wanted. And it was granted them.
So we may pretend all we want that a desire for 'ethnically pure zones' will not be the product of Majimboism, but that is the animus behind much of the desire for devolution across the world. When people say self-determination, when they say 'our government', they are talking from an ethnic point of view, a small fact that Coastals, or North Easterners will easily aver.

We can list all the boons Majimboism will bring, but poorly executed, we will be in a fire so much hotter than anything we now imagine we are suffering.
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The time is now
written by edowino , October 27, 2007
I have to agree with Magothe that this is the most mature debate on anywhere online. I am a supporter of the devolved form of government and in my opinion, it can spur economic growth. There are a lot of factors that contribute to economic growth, it is not solely about having majimbo or not, but having a devolved state of government is an important point.

Taking the Kenyan example, we've been told that the wealthier regions will fund the less well off regions. First of all, the wealthy regions didn't get there in a vacuum, they were better funded by previous governments (both the colonial & post colonial) due to their 'potential', but unfortunately, after independence, this kind of funding took an ethnic angle. That is why, for instance Central province wasn't doing as well under Moi as it is under Kibaki. The potential in this case has always been looked at in terms of agricultural productivity, in this day and age, agriculture is not the only way to generate wealth.

Decentralisation can succeed, but it is not the magic wand that will transform the struggling areas of the republic to economic powerhouses overnight. The less well off regions will have to be heavily funded from the better off regions, but that is the price that has to be paid for more than 40 years of neglect, it has worked in countless places around the world and there is no reason why Kenya should be an exception.

On the point of ethnic animosity, as I said earlier, majimbo cannot be singled out as a cause of Ethnicity. We have been a 'unitary' state for the bulk of our independent history and ethnic hatred has been something that we've had to deal with. If well handled, ethnicity will not be much of a factor. The unitary state, if poorly handled, can also cause ethnic strife and we've seen this in various episodes of our post independence history yet no one has ascribed these tensions to the unitary state. I have no sufficient data on the Federal republic of Kenya after independence but I have seen nothing to suggest that there was an inordinately larger number of ethnically motivated attacks during that period, otherwise the PNU team would have readily used that info to derail the ODM campaign.

The main point I have for majimbo is that you will have people at the grassroots think for themselves rather than a bureaucrat in Nairobi think of what is best for the region. As a person who comes from the lakeside, if I am to become president, I may commit more resources to industries that are closest to my rural home, fishing and Sugar in this case. I know for a fact, after living in Mauritius for quite a while that the Sugar sector, if managed well, can contribute a lot to the national economy. I also know for a fact that a lot of money can be made from fishing. But as I engage myself in this kind of reasoning, I may be forced to alienate other regions that have 'potential', potential that is not immediately apparent to be because of ignorance or any other reason. If on the other hand, people are encouraged to run their own lives in a more decentralised system, they will be forced to think of more creative ways of making more from their available resources.

On the whole however, majimbo in itself is not the silver bullet, it can succeed or fail depending on it's implementation.
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written by Tim Norwood , October 28, 2007
I know this point will be lost on most of us here, but has it occurred to anyone at all that Kenya simply does not have the competence to carry out some of these projects? You may be proud and patriotic and all, but even Raila's time at the MoRPW shows you that even with all the money in the world, you cannot just make roads.
I know he was always complaining about Mwiraria sabotaging him, but it has been revealed that his Ministry had the highest returned allocation to the treasury of all the Wizaras. Devolution will not solve this problem, and if it was bad at national level, it is going to get even worse the lower you go, there are no road contractors of any quality in Kerugoya or Kwale or Karachuonyo or Kilgoris. In fact ODM are actively seeking to open a goodie bag for rent-seekers (I know there's many in PNU too, but I cannot think of any businessman in ODM's ranks, at least PNU has a few). And this is why CDF has failed, something Raila himself admits, link here. When this money becomes freely available, and because each region wants to use up its allocation ( so as to justify a similar if not equal remittance from the Treasury the next year) then what we are creating is a new channel for corruption on a massive scale.
I suppose the fact that these will be local thieves represents a warm blanket to our tribalised hearts, but it will not bring growth about. Devolution without the capacity for management and execution is waste.
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Taking it further
written by pndiangui , October 29, 2007
First may I take this opportunity to congratulate everyone for the great inputs in this debate.

Now to my 2 cents;

I actually don
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majimbo worthy debating
written by simbamalala , November 04, 2007
It
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Debunking myths on majimbo
written by simbamalala , November 06, 2007
Debunking myths on majimbo

Story by AWORI ACHOKA
Publication Date: 2007/11/06
Once again, the country is caught up up in the middle of a vigorous debate on the thorny issue of a centralised authoritarian state, where immense power is vested in the presidency, versus a devolved governance system that would ensure that power is shared between the national government, regional and community level governance structures.

In the process of this enlightening debate a number of political half truths and myths about the effects of a devolved system of government have come up. For the sake of a balanced understanding of the issues at hand, it is important that some of these myths be exposed.

Myth 1: A devolved system will lead to increased ethnic tensions.

The solution to Kenya
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Another Good Comentary on Maji
written by simbamalala , November 08, 2007
By Tajudeen Abdul-Raheem

Last Saturday, at the famous Ufungamano Hall, I (not unexpectedly) walked straight into the brawling ring of Kenya
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COMME CI ,COMME CA
written by JADEN KHAFHAFHA , December 07, 2007
THE ENIGMA IN KENYAN POLITICS IS OFERING A MARXIAN IDEA THAT ROM A THEORETICAL PERSPECTIVE SEEMS VERY ENLIGHTENING.NO LONGER WOULD THERE CLASSNESS.I THINK WE ARE TIRED OF THE THE RHETORIC WE GET FROM THE ELITE IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.KENYANS AT ALL LEVELS WIL BE RECIEVING THEIR DUE!
HOWEVER LOOKING AT MAZRUI'S WORKS ONE FEELS THAT THE SON IS TRYING TO BRING TO THE FORE WHAT THE FATHER EARLIER OPPOSSED-MARGINALISATION OF TRIBES?
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think hard about this concept,
written by khafhafha,jaden , December 07, 2007
I think that the "enigma" is currently bringing to Kenya a very marxian(good) idea.Imagine eliminating the classes that exist with oure capitalist state;the economic development having a trickle down effect to the people on the ground.However the son is trying to revive the father's concept of what would not have otherwise worked:ethnicity.The late Jaramogi saw ethnicity as a way yes of uniting Kenyans-but in the long run-sidelining others.
I look at a man who possess orature of the value of Socrates ,with respect.I want him to think long and hard,employing his father's word:"with a girraffe's vision" to majimboism.
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re: think hard about this conc
written by aeichener , December 07, 2007
I think that the "enigma" is currently bringing to Kenya a very marxian(good) idea.


Raila Odingo is probably less marxist than even Charles Njonjo.

Just HOW deluded can Kenyans be, in their religious madness?

Alexander
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written by khafhafha,jaden , December 07, 2007
I think Marx would jump froim the grave ,and applaud Tijnga for including his social(democratic?)concept among a list of worlwide leaders.The applaud would also awaken Friedrich Engels and the two zombies would have a chat:
M: "Well,Engels ,nice to you again"
E:"Ah,Marx,well I hear there is a young dying to save his country using our ideaology"
M:"Raila his name is ,over in Kenya.Very ambitious,he is .He wants to revive what his father had started "
E:"Lo,good old Jaramogi did shelve our Manifesto,though.He said that it did promote ethnicity.From where I am I hear those people in K-e-n-y-a speak so many tongues.Down there I hear that they call it Ma-ji-mb-oi-sm!!"
M:"Don't strain yourself!!Either way it's stil our baby-sociialism,it stil is .Imagine if he did enter as President he'll remove the bourgeisie and classes.His people would be equal."
E:"..but they are soo many.Not like what we had.Only the French/Germans/English/Russians/Chinese as same language states.Can it realy work,Marx?"
M:"!,Engels!Of couorse it will.I am ashamed to hear you speak like this.The lad is a motivator ,he shakes the ground he walks on.The people there fallover his words .Nothing can go wrong.Comunism,3 centuries later thrives on.Maj-oism,whatever they call it allows the proletariat-working classes to rule the,themselves!Isn't this what we've always wanted?"
E:"But we were criticised,vergogne,vergogne.Told that the cycle repeats itself.The proletariat would become the same as bourgeoisie:form classes,eat the sweat of others.The statistics say that this ideology is not for the Kenyan economy and will stagnate development.Is this what ewe really wanted?"
M: "Ooooh dir der mangel Verruckt machen!Enough.I-I do believe you should read more of this der Bucher's campaign turnout.He's got it.He'll enter".
E:"Choqu peut tu ami,abasourdissant,Marx!I thought you had lost you sense of humour.By the way have you read of "Animal Farm"---
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