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Making peace and moving on, Australia says sorry PDF Print E-mail
Written by Peter Ndiangui   
Wednesday, 13 February 2008

The Federal Government of Australia, led by new Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, has made history by apologising on behalf of Australia for years of ‘mistreatment' which, he said, had inflicted ‘profound grief, suffering and loss' on its Indigenous people.

By formally accepting that the Aboriginal communities were wronged through actions of previous governments which, for a centruy to 1970, took mixed-race Aboriginal children from their families and put them as wards of the state in dormitories or industrial schools, claiming it was protecting them, the Rudd government has responded to a long running sore that tore at the fabric of Australia's image as a modern, democratic nation. In his statement, the Prime Minister said,

To the mothers and fathers, to the brothers and sisters we say sorry. And for the indignity and degradation on a proud people and a proud culture we say sorry.

As a result of the policy, "stolen" children lost contact with their families and heritage, received poor education, lived in harsh conditions, and often endured abuse.

But the apology is only the first and public face of what is a long campaign to address deep running issues of neglect and abuse. It is important now that steps are made to incorporate the Aborigines into the economic and social heart of the Australian nation.  There are great disparity between the lives of the Indigenous people and the generation of immigrants into Australia on several measures.

Their life expectancy is around 20 years lower than that of other Australians - and this gap has recently increased from 20.6 to 20.7 years for men and 18.8 to 19.6 for women. For men, this represents a lower life expectancy than that in Papua New Guinea, Burma, or Cambodia. For women, it is the same as sub-Saharan Africa, with HIV-AIDS factored out. Infant mortality rates are 2.5 times that of the rest of Australia, with the rate in the Northern Territory, where there are large Indigenous populations, four times the national average.

The number of babies of low birth weight is double the non-Aboriginal average and actually increased in the late 1990s. The figure is higher than those for Ethiopia, Senegal, Mexico and Indonesia. The unemployment rate for Aborigines is about three times higher than that of the non-Aboriginal population. Aborigines are 16 times more likely to be imprisoned than the rest of the population and, since 1999, have made up 20% of the national prison population (a rise of 6% since 1991). They are half as likely to have completed basic schooling and only about 40% of them are employed. Aboriginal households earn, on average,  about $200 less per week than non-Aboriginal households. They are also 5.5 times more likely to suffer domestic violence, 3.4 times more likely to suffer assault, 2.8 times more likely to suffer sexual assault, and 2.5 times more likely to be murdered. Paints a grim picture does it not? Well, here is the clincher, all this in the country which the UNDP's Human Development Index ranks 3rd out of all the countries in the world.

It is not that previous Australian governments have ignored these populations. The greater problem has been a raft of disastrous policies and the cultivation of mindsets that have led to mistakes being compounded and to the exacerbation of an already bad situation. The traditional, and perhaps the easiest, line has been the attempt to make a parent of the state, instituting welfare quick fixes that may have been important as a social safety net, but which also perpetuated the view among Australians that the nation owed them, and that they would receive something in compensation for the lands they lost to the non-indigenous Australians. This expectation and grievance culture has worked against the best interests of the Aboriginal peoples. A lack of ownership of development projects and public assets has led to education being shunned as foreign and public assets suffering defacement and even arson. 

The solution, as with other communities around the world that lag behind on social and economic indicators, will have to involve not just state and private effort, but also a communal undertaking from the Indigenous peoples to shift to more assertive and independent social and economic paradigms. The creation of a united nation in which divergent cultures are brought together for a common goal demands the presence of opportunity for the pursuit of economic gain, and the benefit of the whole from the inter-dependence of its parts. As in Kenya's less wealthy areas, both the Australian state and its private sector will have to invest in the outlying areas, creating opportunities there for employment and at the same time taking advantage of such markets as these populations provide.  On the part of the Indigenous people, and for the citizens of Kenya's poorer regions, and those from regions that see themselves as dominated by others, introspection is called for; a self-examination that looks at societal causes for their diminished position and that continuously seeks such opportunities as are available for communal improvement is necessary.

For the economic and social problems that afflict the Aboriginal people of Australia have, in addition to decades of mistreatment, cultural explanations, some of which have to do with the psychological consequences of living in a state of de facto exclusion, and the enduring narrative of incapability fostered by handout solutions from various governments. These are fortified by the sense that the system is so stacked against the marginalised, that their efforts are in vain, depressing both enterprise and the fellow-feeling necessary for nationhood.

Measures - from within and without - must be taken to counter these perceptions, to ensure collaboration in policy and planning, and participation in implementation, so to promote ownership. Measures to provide increased access to the empowering effects of private enterprise must also be on the agenda. The invocation of the spirit of entrepreneurialism at the grassroots level, along with the promotion of partnerships with other Australians along the lines of South Africa's Black Economic Empowerment will serve to transfer to the Aboriginal people's and the people of the regions of Kenya that feel themselves aggrieved and left behind a sense that they too have a stake in a successful and prosperous nation. In Australia and in Kenya, the hope is that, with time, this transfer of skills and confidence will serve to diminish the grievances of the past and promote the sentiment that they belong, that they are integral to the national experiment and are valued citizens.

The first step in Australia was this bold apology. Should the Kikuyu, seen as dominating other Kenyan ethnicities to their detriment, apologise too?  


Peter Ndiangui
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written by a guest , February 13, 2008
Yes, they should, only the guilty Kikuyus;Starting with the Kenyatta family for (just but to mention afew);
1.Amassing land in prime areas of Kenya for himself and his immediate family and friends.
2. Unprocedurally settling innocent Kikuyus in other parts of Kenya who are now paying for the sin they never committed.
3.Unlawfull detention and assasination of frontiers of democracy and justice like Pio Gama Pinto, JM Kariuki, Tom Mboya, Jaramogi Oginga Odinga etc, etc.
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Apology?
written by cindy , February 13, 2008
Kikuyus need NOT apologise.

The struggle is against a corrupt Kikuyu ruling class and homeguards, not the masses of Kikuyu people who have been living and suffering side by side with other communities for many decades.

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Kikuyus need NOT apologise. Se
written by Advocatus Diaboli , February 13, 2008
Apologies definitely are in order by the corrupt ruling class and their homeguard forebears.

They should apologise first to the Kikuyu for what they did to the Mau Mau and other innocent Kikuyu as well as to Kenyans as a whole for some outrageous actions in the past and right up to the present. No more hiding behind metaphors like Kenya ina wenyewe, Kuna siri kali na serikali, wenye nchi na wana nchi. etc.
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What wrongs
written by Njau Ndirangu , February 13, 2008
How can you compare Australian government treatment of the Aborigines to the Kikuyu. This is a total insult to the hardworking Kikuyus and as a collective. The fight should be with the handful of Kikuyus that shared the spoils soon after independence. Trace back of my lineage; my grandfather died a poor man in abject poverty after losing his vast land to the British. Even after rising from the ashes with the injustices done by the colonialists and Kenyatta, you want me to apologize, and on what grounds? And some of the Kalenjins claiming foul sold parts of their land to Kikuyus without coercion. What do you say to this people? What do you say to the Maasai people still selling their land in Narok, Kajiado & Ngong. Let
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Apologize to whom?
written by pndiangui , February 13, 2008
Infact the crux of the matter is I want people to reflect at who exactly is to the perceived or real injustices should be metted to and by whom of which they might be the once who really deserve to apologize or to be apologized to.
What do we make of the injustices during the Moi era? Werenet there corruption-related injustices? Who really benefited unjustily just like during the Kenyatta regime? Gikuyu's?
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written by emmo opoti , February 13, 2008
Reading that last line is extremely painful for anyone with more than a five minute's history of Kenya.
The suggestion that the Kikuyu have anything at all to apologise for, the notion that historical injustice in Kenya is somehow linked to ethnicity is so wrong, to tolerate even in one's mind for one minute is the most irresponsible, most hateful, most vile and yet somehow the most successful propaganda effort ever.

Just shows you how extremely backward Kenyans are and how difficult it is for us to save ourselves. Why are we surprised when our country burns around us?

The appropriation of private property was not done on ethnic lines. Just ask yourselves whence the ODM champions of the poor gained there billions. Kenyans have had a very strengthened local government since 1992, it has delivered no better than the Central government. We so easily forget the entire 24 years of the Moi government, it is all the Kikuyus fault now. There are simply no parallels between the Kenyans and Australian population with regard to an oppressor ethnicity, what there is in common are communities that perceive themselves as dominated and that is where Ndiangui's piece redeems itself.

On the part of the Indigenous people, and for the citizens of Kenya's poorer regions, and those from regions that see themselves as dominated by others, introspection is called for; a self-examination that looks at societal causes for their diminished position and that continuously seeks such opportunities as are available for communal improvement is necessary.


psychological consequences of living in a state of de facto exclusion, and the enduring narrative of incapability fostered by handout solutions from various governments. These are fortified by the sense that the system is so stacked against the marginalised, that their efforts are in vain, depressing both enterprise and the fellow-feeling necessary for nationhood


counter these perceptions, to ensure collaboration in policy and planning, and participation in implementation, so to promote ownership. Measures to provide increased access to the empowering effects of private enterprise must also be on the agenda. The invocation of the spirit of entrepreneurialism at the grass-roots level, along with the promotion of partnerships with other Australians along the lines of South Africa's Black Economic Empowerment will serve to transfer to the Aboriginal people's and the people of the regions of Kenya that feel themselves aggrieved and left behind a sense that they too have a stake in a successful and prosperous nation. In Australia and in Kenya, the hope is that, with time, this transfer of skills and confidence will serve to diminish the grievances of the past and promote the sentiment that they belong, that they are integral to the national experiment and are valued citizens.


These are quite brilliant suggestions and are to me the solution to the problem. But it is not simply the regions that are marginalised, even within the wealthier regions of Kenya there is a great deal of poverty. The example, highlighted elsewhere of Githunguri Dairies would be replicated to great effect across the country, for meat, for fish, for whatever other products Kenyans are growing.
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Apology Needed But Not From Ki
written by kapa , February 13, 2008
Show me one Kikuyu who benefited from Kenyatta or Kibaki and I will show you how many? 100000 more who did not. The apology needs to come from the political elite, and the government could in fact do it on their behalf. This is because the past governments have had corrupt elements from many ethnic communities and not just the Kikuyu.

Furthermore, non Kikuyu have to realize that there is no such thing as Kikuyu hegemony. Its not the way you find say a person from a certain community on meeting his/her fellow kinsmen abroad they instantly strike friendship just because they come from the same tribe. For the Kikuyu its never that way. In fact you can be neighbours and not really bother knowing each other.

So asking a people who are that independent minded to apologize is to miss the whole point.
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written by aeichener , February 13, 2008
Emmo:

So you do not think that Kenyan majority ethnia have to apologize for their treatment of Kenya's First Peoples?

Well, I think they do.

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written by emmo opoti , February 14, 2008
Well, yes they do, they do need to apologise to the First Peoples, but do Kenyans even know that the first people are aggrieved? That they are oppressed? Then again this culpability is limited to specific ethnicities and not all the peoples of Kenya.

But interesting that you should bring the First Peoples. In the Australian case there was a clear cut case of the robbery, of ethnically targeted discrimination, of a denial of opportunity on ethnic grounds, an expulsion from ancestral lands and a national narrative that taught inferiority and exclusion, being denied the vote, being denied representation in the legislative, being massacred in droves and not even being recognised in the country's constitution. Previous apologies such as that of the British to the people of New Zealand served the same purpose. The Australian case is in no way analogous to the Kenyan one. The Rift Valley people had control of Central Government for more than half of our independent existence, they are certainly not marginalised, they are very well represented in parliament, in government, in the military (some would say they dominate the military), in the professions, in academia, in the diplomatic services and in business. Members of these marginalised people control at least two of the largest media organisations in Kenya and they have the largest privatised land holdings in the Rift Valley. Finally, perhaps most significantly, looking at an HDI map of Kenya, many of these regions are among the wealthiest in the entire nation, some marginalisation that!!
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compensation
written by gichangi , February 14, 2008
What we forget is that we are in fact one country. For example, where did the money to build the Eldoret Airport or Turkwel Gorge come from? Or the capital for the tea factories, for the silos, and so on.

The Rift Valley and everything in it, like Nairobi, or Nyanza or the Coast, or Central Province belongs to all of us as Kenyans, and not to any ethnicity.

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When we start issuing apologies, we are calling for restitution, for compensation. And what will then be the compensation coming to the Kikuyu peasants who have suffered three waves of massive property loss and loss of life? Are they not the real oppressed here?
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emmo, alex
written by Stephen Wanyama , February 14, 2008
The parallels between the Yaaku- Maasai relationship and the Aboriginal people - white immigrants is quite striking!
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Analogy in wrong context
written by Aggey , February 14, 2008
Let's face it, to draw similar conclusions for Kenyan and Australian events whereby the circumstaces surrounding events are otally different is extremely far fetched!! (and in my opinion very myopic)

It would have been easier for the writer Peter Ndiangui to draw an analogy between the Canadian government and it's treatment of the First Nations, or better yet...closer to home, a parallel between the British government and crimes committed in the colonial era.

Currently the issues at stake do not involve one tribe appologising to another but instead rectifying the economic imbalances between the rich and the poor -regardless of the tribe!
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written by aeichener , February 14, 2008
The analogy is fully valid (and it is merely an analogy, certaionly not an equation); Aggey's discomfort with it simply stems from an insufficient knowledge of Kenyan history and ethnography. That said, I do agree with adding the example of Canada and its treatment of its first nations (lots of evil, but also developments such as the autonomy of Nunavut since 1999).

Also, I fully agree with him or her that the two main tribes of Kenya are the haves and the have-nots, and all other ethnic distinctions should be secondary. It nevertheless cannot be denied that there are more "have-nots" among the hunter-gatherer tribes (Ogiek, Sengwer, Yqaaku) and more "haves" e.g. among the white Kenyans (the "red tribe", as a recent study has dubbed them).

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written by Stephen Wainaina , February 14, 2008
Honestly, you can only apologise for things as an institution, not as an individual; unless of course you yourself committed them. So Rudd's apology if you heard is an apology from the Australian state because it was not just the actions of individuals but actual state policy to civilise the Aboriginal people, to make them less black, by rape, by education, by renaming, and other Anglicisation. There has never ever been a suggestion that the Kikuyu have dominated by any such means, in fact the idea of Kikuyu domination is simply a lie.

Which point does remind us that although Hitler and the Nazis are much reviled such ideas as we loathe them for today, eugenics, racial hierarchies, anti-miscegenation laws and so on were pretty much universally accepted, in the UK and the US, just as much as in Germany.
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written by ken , February 14, 2008
The Kikuyu have succeeded because they work hard and by coincidence live close to Nairobi and therefore have access to markets, schools and do on from early on. So don't hate on the Kikuyu when they are struggling and hassling. We will continue to be dominant in the economy and politics. Its a fact deal with it. Killing Kikuyu won't make the other tribes richer or better. In fact those same Kikuyu that they hate will be very well compensated by the government for their loss. that's more money in central Kenya. To end Kikuyu dominance, start a business, and stop waiting on the government to hand out to you.
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well deserved
written by mkosakabila , February 14, 2008
From this account and data the apology seems well deserved. I do not think that the unbridled promotion and support of private enterprise is the magic bullet that will solve the development problems cited. Australia is a market economy. Remember. Its a little more complicated than that and solutions are as always multiple. The fixation on private enterprise is somewhat misplaced, a rather blunt instrument that shifts the burden of responsibility away from where it should be located. It demands agency from those whose opportunities and room for manoeuvre are so constrained. It blames them, expecting them to lift themselves up by their bootstraps. I figure that many people are poor not because they are lazy, dim-witted, or just have loads of fun being poor, free time etcetera, but because they face many barriers to their productive participation in politics, policy making and ultimately in the economy. Even Ken the Kikuyu in the post above suggests that market access might have something to do with it. A large number of those barriers are the result of institutions and governance structures that have excluded some knowingly or unknowingly. When such exclusion is open and reinforced over historical time it can damage individual and group self assessment of their own capabilities, what Bourdieux and others called habitus. In the Aborigine example above, and there are good parallels in many other places, there is great scope for public policy to start to rectify the problem. By making the apology public the Australian state is taking full responsibility for those constraints that structure has placed on the agency of some, historically and even in the current. Now, lets hold hands and walk happily into the sunset.

ps. this glitch is irritating, mildly put.
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written by Stephen Wanyama , February 14, 2008
I just got sent this song in the mail this morning. The Aboriginal people may recognise its significance even if MkosaKabila would not. Listen to the song , I'm not sober', by Jamnazi here. Why was the song written?
Together with his Ja-mnazi Band he decided to fine-tune the song after seeing wheat farmers and teachers in the North Rift squander their earnings and loans in bars.
“A farmer would walk in with more than Sh100,000 and a few days later, the man would be flat broke and asking for fare home,” recalls Awilo. “Am Not Sober is a warning to those who drink recklessly while neglecting their families and forgetting that there is tomorrow,” he explains. “My song is not about the feel-good effect of alcohol. It tells you that there is a price to pay if you are not careful.”


I find the argument that the Kikuyu are in some way responsible for the under-development or poverty of other people extremely arrogant and patronising when it comes from a Kikuyu, and extremely annoying for its whiny tone when it comes from a non-Kikuyu.

The burden of responsibility is squarely on the shoulders of the sufferer of poverty. Let me ask MkosaKabila, what was the fate of the monies Martin Day won in compensation for those Maasai herdsmen in Laikipia? Is that some evil Kikuyus fault? Don't Maasai people also live next to Nairobi? What of the Kisii why are they very involved in business and commerce? What advantage did they enjoy, who should they apologise to? Are you seriously suggesting that people should apologise for their proximity to Nairobi? Let's all move to Nairobi now, apparently that is how people make money in Kenya. Them poor Kenyans that ran off to Eldoret, and made billions there. Must have been Kikuyu thieves, eh?
Next, let me say that the Jaramogi himself in explaining his reasons for starting Luo Thrift explained (and this is even from before independence) pointed out that some Kenyan communities were to put it kindly, misusing their money.
Now, I do not even know where my ethnicity falls in these arrangements, but for sure we have enjoyed great improvements in farm gate prices for milk, sugar, maize and tea.

they face many barriers to their productive participation in politics, policy making and ultimately in the economy

I see you have understood at least part of Ndiangui's argument, even though these are limited to Australia. There is simply no community that has been marginalised in this fashion in Kenya, none at all. I suppose we had really better do a scholarly article now to debunk this myth, people are too determined in their hanging on to these countless excuses, chips on our shoulder.

P.S. Please list for us the groups a) that should be apologising
b) that should be asked for forgiveness
c) what they should apologise for
d) what you suggest they give in restitution
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written by mkosakabila , February 14, 2008
Stephen Wanyama. You sound angry. I didnt mean to excite passions. Im not asking Kikuyus to apologize. Another discussion, another day for those so inclined. My concern is with the non trivial actor called the state.

If we were for a moment to assume that individual enterprise is the magic bullet that unleashes development, how do we account for having Kikuyus in the slums and elsewhere living in conditions of extreme poverty and squalor? Many mamba mbogas I knew so well would now be wealthy. I am just reminding the state, a consistent actor in our lives across time and space, that there is a duty of care. People can move to Nairobi, but Id rather Nairobi were moved to them. I am just pushing the state to provide the basics, effectively and efficiently in infrastructure, health, sanitation, education, security and so on, in as many places as it can including even in Garissa, Wajir, Marsabit, Samburu so that being near the center physically and figuratively wont be the ultimate determiner of an individuals or groups economic and political success. In any case there is an economy of scale that can be exploited in the public provision of some services and goods. It does not have to be handouts either, different parts of Kenya can and do make some contribution to the national treasure.
When making broad comparisons across regions, even within Kenya, it would be useful to be honest. The differentials between Kajiado and Kisii are not insignificant and it would be obtuse to suppose that only one factor accounts for the success or not of any one group in Kenya.

You know, I guess its OK to mourn louder than the bereaved as tables can turn. I think its OKAY to defend the Kikuyu, and they are pretty well equipped to do that themselves also. But lose the paranoia! Making demands of the state is not an attack against the Kikuyu. Trust me.

Ps. Its mkosakabila.
Psst. A good idea, writing a balanced, scholarly article, I mean.
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written by Nyabs , February 14, 2008
Very interesting arguments. Kudos to Ndiangui for a well written article.

One, no one has to apologize to anyone for making it in life. I once shared a room in Nairobi with a young kikuyu man called. let us call him Kamau, from Kapenguria, who was visiting his cousin. Kamau was not a university graduate, having dropped out of school in form four. But Kamau saw in our neighbourhood an opportunity that none of us had seen and went out to exploit it. He realized that there was no green grocer in the neighbourhood, borrowed some money from his cousin ( I forget how much, but it was less than 100 Kenya bobs) and went to marikiti, bought greens and spread them on sack and voila the guy was in business. The last I heard of him, he was doing extremly well back in his hometown in Kapenguria.

I will give you another example. James was an engineering college mate of mine. Graduated, could not get a job. He did not move in with his rich uncle and or some poor relative and mourn his luck. He got some money, starting selling mutura and bananas in Kibera as he continued looking for a job as an engineer. Right now he is practicing what he studied and is one of the Kenyan middle class that is doing. And the stories can go on and on.

Now, someone needs to tell me how being kikuyu favoured these two gentlemen. They did not have godfathers in government, otherwise they would have gotten jobs like other colleagues who were assured jobs in the government of Moi, purely on the basis of their ethnicity.

They just refused to lose hope, grabbed whatever opportunities that presented themselves and have made it in life.

And these is just a sample. There are so many Kenyans out there who have made it regardless of their ethnicity and I really do wonder why we should ask the Kikuyu community to apologise. For what? Succeeding against all odds? And the odds have been many: displaced by the British, bore the brunt of the Mau Mau war, were all but excluded from government during the days of one Arap Moi.

And since when did success become a sin, unless of course one is stealing?

@Wanyama, we have as a nation, however, marginalized certain regions. I spent my early career years in North Eastern Kenya and the hard truth is that we have marginalized certain communities. One secondary in a district, one doctor for the whole district, no roads worth speaking, insecurity leading to unecessary loss of life and I can go on and on.

But it is surprising that even from these communities, we see a very agressive and assertive entrepreneur class like the Somalis.

Bottomline is that if we continue making certain communities feel that government owes them a living, then we will continue with this circus where everyone is fighting to have their people in government, as if once they get into government they will share their salaries with those in the village. What we should be working towards is making the government do what it should be doing, which is the creation of an enabling environment, to enable us to get along with the business of creating wealth.

Government hand outs will only take us to where the Aboriginals are.
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written by Stephen Wanyama , February 15, 2008
There is simply no community that has been marginalised in this fashion in Kenya, none at all.

My quote in full read as above. Of course there are marginalised communities in Kenya, but no there is no parallel with the Australian situation, unless we are talking about the Yaaku, the Ogiek and other first peoples, and then the racist culprit quickly shows himself up as the Maasai peoples who worked in a fashion startingly like that of the Brutish settlers in Australia.

MkosaKabila,
Please ask the people of Nyandarua or Laikipia what advantage being Kikuyu has given them. Please ask the people of Kano and Nyamasaria in Kisumu why Kisiis have to travel all the way from the highlands to come and make profit in Kisumu, please ask the people of Kisumu why almost every last shop in that city is owned by a GEMAn, a Somali, a Kisii or an Asian. Please ask the people of the Rift Valley, from North to South why Kikuyu and Kisii farmers are still finding farms to have leased out to them. I mean seriously, in order to lease land from someone I must make not just enough to sell, but also enough to pay for my labour and to pay the rent.
Why are the middlemen for the fish trade in Nyanza Kikuyu and Asian? Why are market stalls in Mwembe Tayari peopled with GEMAns and Kisii people? You have heard of Saccos? You have heard of micro-credit lenders? Have you heard of Equity Bank?

By the way do you seriously know nothing about the work the Kibaki government has done in Nyanza? in Western Kenya? Kindly peruse this comment of emmo's. Link here.
As Ndiangui's article makes clear, the transition from poverty and under-development is a communal effort, part of it is obviously the government's place, part is the private sector (you must ask yourself where the Luo, Kalenjin, Luhya billionaires are taking their money, eh? Narok Council is not controlled by Kikuyu is it?
Even in the Moi years, people in Central Province were moaning incessantly about marginalisation even as they stole from each other in their milk, tea and coffee cooperatives, even as they refused to diversify their agriculture.
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written by mkosakabila , February 15, 2008
Look, lets not resort to pettiness here. The point I try to drive across is terribly simple. That it is misguided to think that private, individual entrepreneurship is the panacea for our development problems. I am simply trying to say that many people are busy STRUGGLING to construct and sustain livelihoods. Very basic. Their efforts are laudable, especially where they band together, but are clearly insufficient. There is a strong case for a stronger, more competent and capable government that can support (not undermine) peoples efforts. This is not a handout, but a duty, why do we have government?

The links to Emmo's posting is great, it does show that the government is taking some responsibility, especially in Nyanza. Terrific! Onwards to other sectors, like health (especially in Nyanza) and to other parts of the country. Just a dose of reality, worth noting that most of Kenya the percentage of population living below the poverty line are about at 60% and highest at over 70% in areas flanking the lake. You can find this and even more information in a CBS, ILRI, WB, WRI, 2003, report titled Geographic Dimensions of Well-Being in Kenya. Where are the poor? Some abbreviated version of the same can be found hereand more information on some experiments in Nyanza by the Earth Institute can be found here. This one is by far the most interesting and most easily accessible, it talks about governance and poverty. These short reports are just a small part of a huge bunch of research on poverty in Africa, and do a fair job of summarizing key issues.

To reiterate there is no one way, there is a mix of ways, but health, education, infrastructure appear to be critical. By their very nature, and in developing country settings, these can be provided quite efficiently in the public arena. Either Wuod or Truth or both mentioned these things a while ago! Where are they anyway??
Finally, pursuing this Kikuyu apology idea is unproductive and a dead end. I'm surprised you all are devoting so much time to discussing it.
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society v fraternity
written by Amir Ibrahim , February 15, 2008
Looks like I have been missing out. I always wondered, with all these excuses for why some are more successful than others, where do we place the Coastals? Surely, no one in this country of ours was exposed to the money economy, to global trade and to capitalism before the Coastals. Where and when did the war-ridden massacred Somali overtake them?
And what of the Kisii? Are they in any way preferred over say the Nandi or the Kipsigis? Good soil both, good rain both, the Nandi and Kipsigis are right at the centre of a massive cash crop, closer to Nairobi (the Kisii are not), these two communities have enjoyed the benefits of neo-patrimonialism, they have enjoyed greater overall steady employment (military, police, and the civil service - which in farming areas means they enjoy multiple sources of income), they have had superior contact with the colonial system ( count the number of 'big schools' in the RVP for example, they enjoyed serious boost from 'what-was-it-called-that-Moi-days-system-where people-from-marginalised-regions-were-given- a-leg-up?). There are so many excuses we can make, but they will only make the bonds of some community to poverty ever stronger.

I think MkosaKabila and so on mean well, but there is only so much blame that can be put on Central government. Health, education, infrastructure? What are you talking about?

Can you compare the supply of public amenities in the Central and North Rift to that anywhere else in the country? Are you suggesting that the Kalenjin are uneducated? Are the Luo uneducated? I mean no hating but that is a stupid argument!! These communities are not educated, I wager they are even over-represented at the universities per head of population. I mean there really is not two Kikuyu kids for every Luo one at university! Or is there?

The links you have provided, always excepting the patronising Jeffrey Sachs', show the justification for Kibaki's policies, and why they will in the long-run workout.
You seem to be insisting on government aid as though everyone else is opposed to it. The facts are that the Kenyan government can only do so much. Some social programmes, such as free education or the increased school places, without the element of an entrepreneurial culture will almost certainly lead to even greater poverty (people do not want to farm, they all want to live in the cities, they are all looking for formal employment).
Those of us who insist on private enterprise do so in part because it is an equalising measure. If there were more entrepreneurs in Kenya, starting schools, opening hospitals, trading cow hides, and meat, the competition would benefit these marginalised regions and increase incomes across the country. The very acts of increasing farm prices and improving access to credit were such radical measures on the part of the Kibaki government, with such far reaching effects that if it was not for the quite inexplicable hatred of the Kikuyu, we would be proclaiming a silent revolution.

Finally, my reading of Wanyama's comment above, and Ndaingui's plea for introspection is that they are pointing at very obvious pachyderms in the room. We may deny it all we want, but the example has been proved again and again around the world. As Nyabs has explained, the very fact that the Somali for all they have suffered are a successful entrepreneurial class, demands that we stop making excuses and look into ourselves, what are we doing wrong? Yes, unless we want to arrogantly declare that some Kenyan tribes have no agency, that they are as children, innocent and carefree, then they do have to take responsibility, both on a communal basis and on a more intimate personal one. The personal is especially important, because the patterns of investment and consumption survive migration from the regions of hardship, and even migration from Kenya itself.
Now, because we are religious, let us consider in closing the parable of the talents.

I note that those speaking up for the Kikuyu are not themselves of that tribe. This is the only place in Kenya where that can happen, how very odd.
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written by mkosakabila , February 15, 2008
Amir Ibrahim. If individual enterprise were the solution, there SHOULD be NO poor kikuyu and now kissii. Explain that.

And then, since you think it trumps everything, HOW CAN YOU MAKE PEOPLE ENTERPRENEURS? You have made some rather lofty claims here about enterpreneurship, so it behoves you to let us know how that gene or spirit or whatever can be injected into the lazier populations? Herein lies Kenyas policy lever a la Amin Ibrahim and others on KI. Out with it. The magic bullet! Or should we just increase the population, create more competition, anyway? Just an early thought to help you along.

I have argued for what you called the obvious pachyderms which look liked EDUCATION, HEALTH, INFRASTRUCTURE.If they were truly obvious, or to be fair, if we had nailed these, we wouldnt be having this debate 40 or more years after Uhuru. Remember sessional paper number 10, or something? Sachs millenium villages in particular would not be in Nyanza and Garrissa. And, i repeat, these are services that can be provided very nicely and efficiently in the public sector, through whatever cooperative arrangements, especially if the goal is poverty reduction and equity. Im done with the tutorial.

Now, if you need more information on the distribution, density and status of primary schools, health facilities, roads, ask for that. If you need more information on the quality of these services, ask for that, and go easy while you do that. In which cesspool did you grow up?

Your defensiveness and your tone, it stamps out discussion. Kwani mnalipwa na Emilio? I always found him sophisticated especially before the fatefull accident, quite unlike his defenders here. More generally, I am sure the Kikuyus are thrilled to have such caliber defending them too, yet they do very well on their own. They always have. With friends like these......

ps: my name is mkosakabila not MkosaKabila. why did i think this was easy?

pss: glad you steered clear of the dense Kikuyu apology stuff. Waste of time.

(Please tell this to Wambui Mwangui who had the apology idea, not to Amir Ibrahim. Thanks. Eds.)
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written by mkosakabila , February 15, 2008
Yes, unless we want to arrogantly declare that some Kenyan tribes have no agency, that they are as children, innocent and carefree, then they do have to take responsibility, both on a communal basis and on a more intimate personal one.


Now, this is an alarming misrepresentation. I have not denied anyones agency. I just suggested that agency can be severely limited by structure. Period. I think you have done worse. In all your ranting and raving you have just labeled a good bunch of Kenyans save for Kikuyus, Kisiis and Somalis as unenterprising, lacking in innovation and thus deserving of their poverty. Careful.

Now, in thinking about what other factors might limit individual enterprise, heres one more that you medntioned rather fleetingly, patronage politics. Explore that! It pertains to structure as well and manifests at multiple levels.

As a side note, I would be interested to know on whether or how the activities of the so-called enterpreneurial classes, including the Indians, impact on corruption and governance. You imply they are the engines of our economic development, I have no reason to agree or disagree, but am curious as to whether that performance can be translated into gains in other arenas.

Edited
(Your friendly advice (advise is the verb) as to personal hygiene, be it halitosis, menstrual flow, wet toilet paper or an anti-transpirant, will always be appreciated by the readership - but in the appropriate thread. Ed.)
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mbwa kali
written by mkosakabila , February 15, 2008
(...)
Look at the language Amir Ibrahim used in his post above. I thought it deserving of some cleaning up, and imagined it fair to preempt Amir Ibrahims next post having determined colgate and or listerine to be absolutely appropriate for the task.
(...)

(Edited.)
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written by Nyabs , February 15, 2008
Do allow me to wade into this very interesting discussion between mkosakabila and Amir.

When I look at the Kikuyu, Kisii, Indian, Somali and other communities who have developed an entrepreneurial culture, one things strucks me.

These are communities that have suffered some type of pressure that has forced them to abandon their comforts zones and get out there to look for shillingi and a better life.

For the Kikuyu, it started early with the mkoloni and his imposition of the hut tax which forced people to go out, work for the mzungu and get money to pay for that tax. They were also forced out of their land and squeezed into small land holdings which were not enough to eke a living and so, some alternative income had to be found. And trading was an obvious alternative

With the Kisii, demographic pressure plays a very important role in dispersing them to other provinces with surplus land and into business.

The somali is more of a harsh climate, a big somali diaspora and access to dollars and goods and products from their families in the diaspora.

And the indians, it could be largely because they were brought in by the British to build the railway and they saw an opportunity to supply the new empire with goods and services.

I see also elements of risk taking and willingness to do whatever it takes to earn an extra shilling. Please refer to the story of my two friends Peter and Kamau on this same thread.

And mkosakabila, rest assured that they are as many kisiis, kikuyus, indians, somalis who are poor, so entrepreneurship is not something that is innate in these communities.

So what is it then that makes some make it and others not?

Exposure maybe? Culture? Risk appetite? opportunities? Initiative?

I believe it all boils down to all of the above. Now, all of the above, apart from opportunities and maybe exposure, are at the level of the individual.

Am I willing to take risks? Am I willing to break free from cultural restrictions and conditioning that says a man should not work in the kitchen or under a woman? Do I see opportunities and take the initiative to grab them? Am I risk averse or do I have a balanced risk appetite? Do I have some level of individualism that makes me willing to break rank with my circumcision age group if an opportunity so presents itself? Am I so bound by the need to belong that I am willing to host 10 clan members in my house for months on end at the risk of eroding my disposable income which could have been invested elsewhere? Do I have a lifestlye that eats into all my income and leaves me in debt? Like buying a 1000 dollar suit on when I am on a 500 dollar salary?

All these come to play, because at the end of the day, advancing in one's career or growing a business does need one to make some very hard choices and decisions.

Now, we can either make those hard decisions out of choice or due to circumstances. And unfortunately, some are unable to make those choices and seek for opportunities and these are the ones who hang around village bars, cursing the government and their mean relatives and friends for not helping them out. And when some political types comes along promising them heaven on earth, they jump into it, thinking that their saviour has come, part of the reason why we always have euphoria around election times.

The role of the government is quite simple: provide an enabling environment that will facilitate the growth of an entrepreneurial spirit in us. And that enabling environment is infrastructure, security, justice, education, and health care.

@mkosabila, the gene or spirit that can be ejected into people ( I hate to lump communities together in such a general manner) is initiative, a balanced risk appetite, willingness to move out of one's comfort zone, some adversity, some individualism and discipline in personal financial management and of course, an enabling environment.

My two cents worth.
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Hmm, more data
written by Daniel.Waweru , February 15, 2008
I too hesitate to enter the mkosakabila/Ibrahim ructions. But both sides will find some support for their contentions here.
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written by mkosakabila , February 15, 2008
Interesting. So both attributes of the individual and of the environment in which the individual is embedded situated do matter. Theres a couple of interesting books on the evolution of enterprenuership and econ devlpt.

I once had this discussion with an elderly in between flights, and for all my interests in collective action, institutions, governance etc, this woman summed it up quite parsimoniusly. She said an individual is as strong as his or her community is. Maybe she was Jewish, I didnt ask, but i wasnt sure how to interpret community, whether narrowly or as a broad, cross cutting range of networks and relationships. Just another thought, neither here nor there. Let the sharks loose!
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written by Nyabs , February 15, 2008
@mkosabila,

Environment does matter.Some environments can be limiting, while others can be liberating.

On culture, I do think that our Kenyan culture does limit entrepreneurship. Take the communal responsibility thing for example, where I am responsible for my brothers, sisters, parents, uncles, clan and tribe. So, when I get a job in Nairobi, anyone can walk in, unannounced, and stay with me for months on end, eating my food, using my electricity and water, expecting bus fare and allowances just because he or she is my cousin or we come from the same village.

Add to that the many relatives whose fees you have to pay, because their parents are poor, while in reality these same parents are major shareholders in the village brewery, where they invest, without fail, their income, but unfortunately with no returns.

What this does is to erode our disposable income and as a result, we are not able to save or raise capital to start a business.

For those of us who have interacted closely with that community that is now blamed for all of Kenya's problems, the kikuyu, you will notice that they limit their responsibilities and will not try to be a Non Governmental Organization to their relatives and fellow villagers. End result, they scrape and save and are able to invest.

Individualism has its merits.
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re: Hmm, more data
written by mkosakabila , February 15, 2008
I too hesitate to enter the mkosakabila/Ibrahim ructions. But both sides will find some support for their contentions here.


Thank you.
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Shame on you kenyaimagine.com
written by Waithaka , February 15, 2008
The first step in Australia was this bold apology. Should the Kikuyu, seen as dominating other Kenyan ethnicities to their detriment, apologize too?

kenyaimagine.com, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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