Muslims for ODM? What next! PDF Print E-mail
Written by Amir Ibrahim   
Tuesday, 06 November 2007

I thought I knew everything about Kenyan politics; at least enough to believe that there existed parameters enclosing the possible and the impossible. Imagine my surprise then when I heard that there are Muslims for Raila. 

I will start by declaring that my Islam is merely cultural, I do not believe in God, that is to say I am an agnostic. Even more, like I have explained in a recent article here at KenyaImagine, I strongly disagree with the dangerous notion that there is an Islamic vote out there to be courted. It is inimical to the harmony of our still very fragile state that our Islamic populations should see themselves as separate from the rest of the Kenyan polity. This is the trap Muslims in the west are weaving, setting themselves up for attacks from their enemies by showing themselves to be outsiders, with interests at variance with those of the wider population. 

What surprised me, what seemed to me entirely fatuous, even incredible was the notion that a sizable number of Kenyan Muslims should believe their political fortunes set to enjoy an improvement under a Raila Odinga government. There are many reasons why this position is inconsistent with reason, and I will try to lay them out. They are based on the whole on the American war on terror, a euphemism for a war on Islam- clothed in some quarters as a clash of civilisations, and the ODM leader's closeness with the American establishment.

First off, the ODM candidate has repeatedly boasted about his close links with the American political establishment. Even the idlest observer of our politics will have noticed that Raila Odinga is particularly chummy with the Americans. For lack of evidence, I will not go into the allegations of a deal for the establishment of Africom's headquarters in Kenya at the minute, but even disregarding that there is every reason to fear your enemy's friend. 

The global war on terror, and whatever adherents it still retains in the public sympathy are waging a war on the adherents of Islam. Kenyans at the Coast and in North Eastern province know too clearly the practice of rendition, and the barbarism that was visited on the people of Somalia. The Kibaki government wisely sought to restrict its involvement, but even its attempt to stay aloof led to the illegal abduction of Kenyan citizens and the mass murder of tens of our neighbours in Somalia. I will merely quote from the story, ‘The 88's job was simple: Kill anyone still alive and leave no unidentified bodies behind. ' The link is from a report by Thomas Barnett for American magazine, Esquire. It is very perplexing for me that Kenyans should be blaming the Kibaki government for these events and endorsing the government of a man who eats, breathes and sleeps America

In answering phantom charges about the presence/absence of his prepuce, the ODM candidate went on to name George Bush and Tony Blair as men who rule in spite of not having been subjected to the operation. Whether or not these men have been subjected to this operation is a subject for only the feeblest minds, but it is instructive that when the ODM leader feels a need to affirm his masculinity and suitability for public office he should choose in his defence two of the most reviled men in world politics of the last fifty years.  

Lesley Stahl (60 Minutes CBS) on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

 Dems just as bad

But that is not the end of the ODM leader's obsession with the Americans. Like I said before, he boasts in his celebrated biography about his links with the American establishment, including invitations to attend Democratic party conventions. For those uninitiated in these things, the United States is really a one party state with very little difference between the two parties. The media may obsess with painting George W Bush as evil, but these measures started long before his presidency. President Clinton and Madeline Albright were for example instrumental in the death of 500,000 Iraqi children. Perhaps more incriminating than the deaths themselves was the callous fashion in which these deaths were regarded by that administration

Even more recently, new kid on the block and a close friend of Raila's, Barack Obama has come out clearly to state that he would invade Pakistan if General Musharaf was overthrown. This was so extreme a sentiment that even the normally hawkish Hillary Clinton saw fit to ask Obama to calm down. And Obama is not a nobody; the Illinois Senator sits on the Foreign Affairs Committee. Yes, these are the friends the ODM keep. 

And it shows in their spirit. The ODM's governing council has been very insensitively christened the Pentagon, with little attention being paid to the inherent aggravation potential towards Kenyan Muslims, whose votes it seems are increasingly being taken for granted. So it is that Muslims are being asked to follow and support an organisation that takes its name from the building where the mass murder of Muslims is plotted and promoted. The notion seems to be that a brief dangling of the idea of Majimbo will be enough to win these Muslims over, never mind the knife in the other hand behind the ODM's back, never mind the insults.  Give them Majimbo and they will be blind to everything else. And it is exactly on this issue of Majimbo and the ODM that I would like to conclude. 

The short-sighted desire for autonomy for Kenyan Muslims is far from a silver bullet for their myriad miseries. Instead it is a most vivid case of the validity of the old adage, be careful what you wish for. Already the US base at Manda Bay has been used to wage war against Somalia. North Eastern Kenya is already awash with rumors of American marines on silent missions. We can of course do little against this at the moment but the presence of a local government controlling a majority Muslim jimbo will open these parts to the kind of strife that has visited Pakistan's North West Frontier region. Detached from the rest of the country and responsible for itself the jimbo will be a new front for the War on Terror, especially if as reported there is oil under those Northern hills; Iraq is not too far in the memory and a new chapter looks to be open with Iran soon. 

Kenyan Muslims it is true have been hard done by. But the solution is not to stand apart, but to immerse themselves even more into the Kenyan experiment, to claim their stake in it. The agitation for a more equitable distribution of resources, for a fairer employment regime and for the protections guaranteed in the Bill of Rights must be waged in parliament and in the courts. The further we pull from the rest of Kenya, the easier it will be for extenuations to be contrived that will sacrifice us to the whims of foreign powers, the easier it will be for extremist elements in Kenya's Christian majority to portray Kenyan Muslims as a perfidious fifth element, undeserving of justice and equal rights. It is already happening across the world, the slightest excuse is sufficient. 

I will not go so far as Labour Minister Kulundu who condemned the US government as one of the foremost abusers of human rights. That is for another day, but there is every reason in the new Kenya to ensure that we are not anymore tangled in childish relationships that we have no say in. For all its errors, the Kibaki government must be lauded for managing to keep us neutral in the war against Islam and for opening Kenya's choices to the entire world. We are a small country; it is true and powerless when faced with a global superpower. There is no way for example that we can protect our citizens against rendition or kidnap or even murder if the USA wills it. Still if the price of our little independence is that the Americans discuss us behind our backs with Uganda and Tanzania, if that is the price for refusing to kowtow to the imperial will of the USA, if that is the price of refusing to be arm-twisted into signing a deal handing the US military impunity for war crimes then so be it, if that be the price for unshackling ourselves from slavery to the Bretton Woods institutions, then give us free. I will vote for Mwai Kibaki.


Amir Ibrahim
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You missed the point
written by Abdullah Rashid , November 06, 2007
Before I handle your argument as to whether Kenyan Muslims are right or wrong in supporting Raila, I must say gasconading that you are an agnostic, (unbeliever) and again tearing into Muslims in the name of brotherly Islamic advice is not only insult, but utter lunacy. It is an insult to the Kenyan nation that believes in God as well.

That said, your argument is one that flies in the face of reason and reality. It is lopsided and alarming, begged on generalisation and American hatred. Muslims don't hate America as a nation; after all, America has Muslims too. And no Muslim on earth from the four winds will refuse to go or settle in America if he/she were given that opportunity. The problem with America is not its people but an elite stage-managed by Zionism and capitalistic avarice that tears every nation down if they don't give them what they need or support Israel. Muslims stand for peace including Kenyan Muslims and we don't hate America as a nation, neither do we intend to fight anyone because he/she may not be a Muslim. "Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice." (Quran 60: 08)

Granted, we have a big problem with America as Muslims today, but does attacking America serve our interests? No, we don
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Now that s simplstic
written by pndiangui , November 06, 2007
Abdulla

"Kibaki gave 800 million to Nyeri for water projects, and North Eastern Province (NEP) 4 million for the same."

Wow !

I really wouldnt think of another simplistic and unobjective statement than this one.

So what about the cash being ploughed into making Isiolo a resort city? Is Nyeri receiving the same? What about the revatilization of the Wajir Airport; A venture that will be csting over 1 billion Kenya Shillings. Has already used up 300 Million and by the way it is already done. Would Nyeri do with a fixed infrastrcture too?


Now let me ask you? You really dont see the importance of un-chaining ourselves from Bretton woods institutions? You really dont think this is of a high priority?
Its amazing that you claim Raila is globally informed yet it has ben well documented through his sound bites that he has a low understanding of the drivers of a global economy that he and his 'Pentagon' collegues will attack the NSE and indegenous banking instituions at will.

On Somali; I thought Kibaki refused to be drawn into attaking Somali with Ethiopian forces and Americans. I also thought that the struggling Somali government was moulded in Nairobi with costs fully taken care of by the Kibaki regime.
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written by Kamale , November 06, 2007
First let me declare that I am non-performing Christian.

There are two things I would like to deal with in Amir's post especially in relation to their alleged MOU with Raila. Whilst it may or may not exist depending on which side of the mouth Raila is lying with, I still not not think that there are people who actually get marginalised by any government for the simple reason that they profess the islamic faith. We MUST separate our individual and personal problems with the state and authorities with those of religion. I cannot imagine that a state or government would have an issue with any religion. The reason I say this, is that if for any reason someone commits a crime, he does not do so in the name of religion. So why would anyone want to hide behind religion the way muslims have done the world over.

Let us admit that with the religious fraternity there are nutual suspicions of each other's religion or even attempts at forcing over the religious beliefs to even those that could not be bothered. I do not think though that such prejudices should ever entere the realms of government.

So if we were to narrow the problems of Kenyan muslims, it is difficult to see the marginalisation they claim. With the exception of the Kenyans of Somali origin who have problems of obtaining identification documents and the reasons are all very clear why, why would a muslim in Kibera or Pumwani have a problem with the government? If there are flying toilets in kibera, do these not affect all residents? The discrimination of Kenyan Somalis is definitely not on account of their religion, but the peculiar circumstances of their background and the problems in Somalia.

Perhaps someone can come out and point out any disadvantage to himself as a muslim that is enjoyed by a Kenyan christian where the disparity is based purely on religion. I will then understand what it is that Raila has promised to do for the muslims!
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written by edowino , November 06, 2007
It almost goes without saying that Sheikh Juma Ngao declared that the Muslim community will support Kibaki's candidature way before anyone in the Muslim community. Pot? Kettle?? Black???

Talk of hypocrisy.
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written by Gichangi , November 06, 2007
Abdullah Rashid
Granted, we have a big problem with America as Muslims today

So you follow this up with supporting the greatest supporter of the US in the Kenyan political class? How silly.
What is in it for you? The article argues that there is nothing but pain ahead for Muslims out of their alliance with Raila, for even when he delivers what he has promised, this gift will be exactly what the US will want. A zone in Northern Kenya that can be accused of complicity in terrorism and therefore a legitimate target for attack, and even colonization.
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written by aeichener , November 06, 2007
One point first: as one can be a non-performing Christian (Kamalet having professed this), so one can be a non-observant or even agnostic muslim, in a cultural sense, though I'll concede that Amir speads the marmelade a bit too thick ;-). The umma has not just spawned, repanded and sustained a faith in the Unique God, but also a network of closely interlink islamic cultures, traditions and belief, like a finely-woven tapestry.

Islam - basic as it is, as a creed - allows for at least as many facets of religion as Christianity, indeed rather for a bit more (due to the absence of an organized church and clergy, with exception for parts of the Shi'a).

Then, Kenya is not a "Nation under God", for Ngai's sake. How blasphemic. It is a secular state, the majority of whose citizens profess a monotheistic faith. Big difference. The separation of church and state allows for some historically grounded interlinks as is also the case with many other nations (such as the kadhi courts, since the coastal strip only rather recently became part of "Kenya"), but this separation is still fundamental.

The USA (not as a people or a nation, but as embodied in the present Bushist "administration") is indeed not an enemy of terrorism, nicely itself qualifying for this moniker; it is rather an enemy of muslimin and muslimatun worldwide. This may well change after 2008, and I hope that it does.

Alexander
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Unconvincing
written by Abdullah Rashid , November 06, 2007
Pndiangui,

Wow! I really wouldnt think of another simplistic and unobjective statement than this one. What do you mean by this? Isn
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Lopsided Argument Friend
written by Abdullah Rashid , November 06, 2007
pndiangui,
Wow! I really wouldn't think of another simplistic and nonobjective statement than this one. What do you mean by this? Isn
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written by Abdullah , November 06, 2007
Gichangi,

You are entitled to your convenient opinion. Muslims are not at the mercy of Raila neither does he feed one of us. The question is about the system. The one who will change it is the one will we will support. That said, if Muslims have problems with America, America too has problems with Muslims. It takes two hands to make a clap, so as time goes on, the two sides will come to agree on many issues. But to argue that Raila is supporting the US so that they annihilate, annex or invade NEP/Coast, is not alarmits, unconvincing butter hogwash. Raila's respect for Islam and Muslims dates back to years. He is not playing to our gallery today. Kenyans know each other.

Edowino wrote:
"It almost goes without saying that Sheikh Juma Ngao declared that the Muslim community will support Kibaki's candidature way before anyone in the Muslim community. Pot? Kettle?? Black???

Talk of hypocrisy."
Note that every Muslim is entitled to his/her opinion and is free to support whom he/she wishes. So there are some Muslims who are supporting Kibki. That said, Juma Ngao is not the Muslim Community's leader. What we are talking about here is why would the balk of Kenyan Muslim voters end up in the ODM/Raila basket as it would do and not whther a Muslim (an individual) supports Kibaki. What I see here are PANUA hordes engaging in fear mongering and even trying to position Kibaki a nationalist who harbours love to all Kenyans. If that was the case, the pain felt by Kenyans outside some regions known to everyone would't have been as it is today. So be ready to escort him to the region that loves him when the hour arrives.
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What/who is a muslim?
written by seline , November 06, 2007
Can somebody please clarify something here. When we/the author talks of muslims, does he refer to those who profess the muslim faith or to a specific islam/muslim dominated region?
There is surely a difference between the two and it seems like we are all mixing things up.

Concerning this:
"Why does the Kibaki government say it wants to know who is a real Kenyan when Muslims seek IDs but doesn?t ask a Luhya or a Luo if he is a Kenyan when seeking the same?? . "-

i'm not really sure about the validity of the question. I am not muslim but was asked to prove my kenyanness four times before i was granted the ID (Apparently we come from/ live near a border, that i have never seen). And i can give you 200 names of people who have faced the same difficulty when applying for an ID, especially people from Teso and Bondo districts-i think it's just the whole systen that is worn out and needs some greasing.
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written by joe , November 06, 2007
everyone claims marginalization. somalis are some of the richets people in kenya and everyday i meet a somali here in the US they cant stop telling me how they run this and that in kenya... and that is the truth. but when i read up in here its all marginalization this and that.

talking about the water project in nyeri... nyeri has more people than the whole of northeasten even though northeastern is bigger it has less people.

this muslim issue in kenya has more to do with xenophobia rather than religion itself. i suspect
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Lets debate truthfully
written by Cogni , November 07, 2007
I'm always amazed at the way some people are willing to swallow odm propaganda wholesale. Abdullah Rashid is an angry man
Now, why do Kenyan Muslims support Raila? Muslims support Raila not because he is a Muslim or loves Islam, but because he wants to demolish a system that killed Kenyan Muslims. Kibaki gave 800 million to Nyeri for water projects, and North Eastern Province (NEP) 4 million for the same. Yet NEP is an ASAL region where people are dying because of lack of water and boreholes. NEP is larger than Nyeri 40 times. Is this fair?

However this is a false charge designed to promote tribal hatred against the President and the people of Nyeri. In truth Garrissa alone was allocated over 700 million shillings for water projects. Other cities like mombasa received allocations over 8 times larger than Nyeri. Hoever only Nyeri is singled out and the NEP allocation is minimized and falsified. From the Governments accountability statement we learn.
Major investments to improve water and sewerage services have so far been initiated in the six main urban centres with the support of development partners. These are: Nairobi (Ksh 3.83 billion), Mombasa (Ksh 8b), Kisumu (Ksh 1.89b), Nakuru (Ksh 1.36b), Nyeri (Ksh 800m) and Garissa (Kshs 700m). By June 2006, a total of 147 water service providers were in place - 40 urban and 107 rural.

Water provision enhancement

# A total of 210 water supply schemes were rehabilitated. These are: Tana Water Service Board (WSB), 41 projects; Rift Valley WSB, 34; Northern WSB, 21; Coast WSB, 22; Lake Victoria South WSB, 36; Lake Victoria North WSB, 29; and Athi WSB, 27.

# 132 new community water projects funded under the Trust Fund are now in progress. Another 85 rural water supply schemes have been rehabilitated to completion and put under community management countrywide. This has increased the country

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Lets compare like to like.
written by Cogni , November 07, 2007
I've heard this argument comparing NEP to Botswana several times and wondered if the proponents are being willfully deceitful of just ignorant.

He (Kibaki)is killing us silently while we can see when America kills us, so we are saying to hell with oppression and hatred. NEP is far much better than Botswana in every aspect, but since it was not developed, people will have to be buried every day, yet Botswana is semi-prosperous and booming. D


Mr Abdallah NEP's climate maybe similar to Botswana but the similarity ends there.

The reason NEP is not as prosperous as Botswana is not Kibaki killing you during the last five years of his Presidency.

Rather Botswana is the worlds largest diamond exporter. Fully half of Botswana's government revenues come from Diamond sales.

NEP has no diamonds as far as I know. There are rumors of oil but no commercial quantities have been found or extracted. NEP doesn't lag behind Botswana because of anything Kibaki has done.

If anything Kibaki has poured Money generated by other regions into the development of NEP which is a net recipient of government funds.
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Dangerous Affairs!
written by MKerich , November 07, 2007
I won't even go into the thick of argument but the article wholesale is alarmist and toys with dangerous religious sentiments. Our country has had muslims and Christians live reasonably peacefully but to try and turn the presidential debate into which candidate is for/against Muslims is not only irresponsible of the author but leaves a distictly ashy taste in my mouth and apprehension of powder keg rhetoric. Shame on you. It seems you will say anything to fill the minds of people with hate and fear for expedient political ends. Shame!
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written by Amir Ibrahim , November 07, 2007
Before I handle your argument as to whether Kenyan Muslims are right or wrong in supporting Raila, I must say gasconading that you are an agnostic, (unbeliever) and again tearing into Muslims in the name of brotherly Islamic advice is not only insult, but utter lunacy. It is an insult to the Kenyan nation that believes in God as well.


First off, try not to use words that are above your head. There's no gasconading in stating that I am an agnostic. It is actually a position of humility, as it shows I have raised my hands up and admitted that I do not know.
Pity that Kenyans believe in God, may actually explain the poverty in the country if the recent Pew Report on Religion is anything to go by.


Granted, we have a big problem with America as Muslims today, but does attacking America serve our interests?

Your next paragraph is filled with red herrings and pthu pthu strawmen, difficult to understand or deal with. Nowhere have i advocated attacking America or anything of the sort. There is a genuine fear among Kenyan Muslims like their brethren across the world of the USA. My question then is, if this fear is genuine, why ally yourself to a man and party that is very closely beholden to the USA? Majimbo and the promise of special courts, etc are double edged swords, with a serrated backside that will make Kenyan Muslims wish they did not choose to stand aside from other Kenyans.

No, we don?t have that capacity today therefore we know how to tread and move in tandem with the reality on the ground. We feel pain about the oppression Muslims are subjected to worldwide, but a hungry man has no choice.


Again, I am not asking that you do anything against America, but there is very good reason why many African countries are very wary of the US setting up camp in their territories. Are you not aware of rendition? Are you not aware of the mass murder in cold blood of Somalis by American forces? Do you suppose that the American ambassador is friends with ODM for nothing?

I'm really perplexed that you only target Kenyan Muslims saying they shouldn't isolate themselves by mentioning their religion or whom they support. The example you gave saying that Muslims in the West are targeted because of this is not only misleading but ludicrous.

It matters little how long Muslims have been in Kenya. To be a Muslim in the world today is to carry suspicion of being a retailer of death. Muslims are regularly perceived as a problem, a fifth column, a perfidious lot within that pays homage to a sovereign different than the one we all pay homage to. It is my argument that there are different standards in this for Muslims than for other people, do you disagree?

The second reason why Muslims in the West face problems is because the West today doesn't recognise God,

I wish we did not either.
They believe in hedonism
Can one really believe in Hedonism, you play fast and loose with your words, don't you Rushd.

The second reason is that Raila comes from an oppressed and excluded community like ours. To say Luos were treated well by Kenyatta, Moi or Kibaki is a big lie, so many other tribes are going with him because he understands what marginalisation, tribal hatred, and exclusion means.

Once again an ODM man affirms that the party exists for the sole purpose of getting back at the perceived masters, the GEMA. I wish we would stop looking at the world this way, CDF, LATF, Youth Funds, Road Funds, what are we doing with them? That is the question. Are we starting and running businesses? Are we sending our children to school? Are they staying there long enough, are they reading the right subjects? I think the problem is more of attitudes than anything else.

The third reason Kenyan Muslims support Raila is because his community has a sizeable Muslim minority, remember the family of Obama is a Luo Muslim. Migori Mayor is a Luo Muslim and it without Raila; no one can succeed in Luo Nyanza. He is the only one who openly admitted reading the Holy Qur'an and he has good command of Islamic teachings unlike the other two.


This actually is quite sad. So you like Raila because he has memorised the Qur'an? What a backward country we come from! So you overlook everything else about the man and settle on this?

Raila was the only one who visited Somalia and Somaliland to know much about Somalia. This was when he was In NDP, he met with the then Somaliland President Mohammed Egal, his interest in the region is reassuring but day follows the night, so time will tell.

I am sure this seems a good thing, but the President could hardly allow his office to be seen to take sides in the Greater Somalia's troubles, could he?

Among the 3 candidates (forget Muiru), he is the only one who has extensive relationship with many Muslim and Arab leadership.

I wonder how useful this is. Does not the Bush family have very close contacts with the House of Saud? Did they not bankroll all of his early failed businesses?

Raila is the only one who admitted that Kenyan Muslims are subjected to discrimination when they are seeking IDs.

I admit this is a problem, and a big one at that. I will not at all claim that it is easy being a Kenyan Muslim, but like my article made clear, rather than agitate for change as Muslims, we must sue in court as Kenyan citizens. There are many Kenyan communities with genuine grievances against the state, but it seems to me that the politicians are not capable of turning this around. It is part of the system, and the only way to change it is by making those promoting it pay in court, much in the same way as women are doing. We do have a Bill of Rights, remember? Just to reiterate, setting ourselves apart will lead to extremism.

Kibaki met with Kenyan Muslims in October 2002 in Nyali Beach and gave them 100 promises, when he landed in the State House, he openly refused to meet SUPKEM and it took 3.5 years to meet them once. He disregarded the Chief Kadhi and even refused to welcome him to national celebrations. His car was withdrawn after the referendum to date. I love it when you say Kibaki respects Muslims.


I have not claimed anywhere that Kibaki loves or respects Muslims. My entire point is that we should not even have a class of people differentiable from the rest of the nation on account of religion.
I see that the Head of State has been naughty, now I ask you if Raila's friendship with the Americans portends a better or a worse future. Is it not possible that once the US sets up big shop in Kenya, denying the Chief Kadhi a place at national celebrations will look like small details?

Why don't you ask why Njue tells Christians to support Kibaki?

Firstly, Njue has not asked that anyone support Kibaki. He simply spoke against Majimbo, which I think every intelligent Kenyan should be against, but I confess a little arrogance, so take my views with a pinch of salt.
Second, if he did, it would be right to condemn him also. We must not mix our religion with politics.
Finally, Kenyan Muslims should be the very last people to attempt this because they are a minority. Trust me, the Christian fundamentalists are unbeatable in numbers,resources and passion. If you want to go toe to toe with them, mtamalizwa. Even worse, like I am at pains to explain, Muslims are under attack globally, opening a new front in Kenya would be the most foolish thing to do. The very best thing is to keep religion completely out of our politics.

I see your statement about job allocation, but I do not want to think that this is at all important. Kenyan Asians and white Kenyans are not heading any ministries or any parastatals are they? If we really want these positions, let's lobby hard for them. Even then, I remember a while back when Nassir was a powerful minister, Haji was a powerful PC, Mohammud Mohammed was CGS, Sajjad, TSS, Akasha and so on had access to almost everything. Did not seem to take much of a difference did it?
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of seat-yzenship & Promises
written by Jayawardene , November 07, 2007
An interesting debate rages on following the winding courses of politics, religion, cultural beliefs and history.

I have thouroughly enjoyed the quote attributed to Agwambo about Kibaki, the Luo, the Muslim, a Luhya and the Real Kenyan. I have noted with interest and much laughter at how Raila's original and seemingly sensible question has been twisted and distorted and had its meaning altered with every re-telling of the gag. We may all type in english but the thought process is surely tribal!...aaah vernacular seems a nicer word in these heated times...

My own beef with citizenship is this: My pal has a daughter who cannot be granted Kenya citizenship because he is not Kenyan. The little girl's mother..mkenya asili, was so incensed when the consular official suggested that "perhaps if you had said you did not know who her father was we could....."

Is it any wonder that people cheat and trick and bribe to get their citizenship papers?
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written by Amir Ibrahim , November 07, 2007
Kamale,
It is true that the discrimination is not always on religious grounds, but then there are coincidences of tribe/ race and religion that make it that way.

For example, when police were mowing down Gikuyu males age 14-30, there was no doubt that is was Mungiki they were after. There was little doubt either that it was GEMA boys they were looking to finish off.
In Europe and the USA a large part of the battle is racist. This is why Sikhs in turbans, Lebanese Christians, Egyptian Christians or even Iranian atheists find themselves suffering this discrimination just as much as anyone. That at least was how it started, now it does have a fully religious edge to it. The attacks on Barack Obama on account of his middle name and his father's birth religion are clearly religious.

You seem to suggest that Muslims around the wold are crying wolf, that there is no real discrimination against them. I am not sure that you are being at all genuine. There is a much bigger game at play than I can afford to put down in a short comment, but there is a very deadly game on now, it is in part about geopolitics, in part about oil and in part about migration, but the West certainly does have a problem with Islam.
It is an old hatred, quite similar to that held against Jews, who Muslims have now replaced as the permitted hate figure of Western civilisation.
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written by Kamale , November 07, 2007
Frankly I do not believe that anyone is discriminated on account of their religion. If you tell me however that people are discriminated on account of colour or tribe, then I shall agree with you whole heartedly. I do not think a Luo muslim has the same problems as a Somali muslim - note their common denominator is their religion. But the Luo will only have a single ID card whilst the Somali will have two! That is how simple it is to separate religion and race/colour.

I think what you are calling discrimination is perhaps prejudice. If this is the case, then I would want to agree with you that there are people depending on where you are will tend to have issues with muslims or even Sikhs as you suggested. Just yesterday, the Pope was making representations for the 1 million catholics who cannot worship in public in Saudi Arabia or even wear anything that identifies their religion.

Apart from just crying wolf, I think the muslims tend to hide behind their religion rather too much! These cries are premised on the war on terror I believe. But would you say that these people commit the crimes they do in the name of the Islamic Faith? Most muslims I have spoken to disagree and suggest the faith does not call for murder of innocent people! But then it becomes convinient to hide behind the religion!

Finaally, I think your suggestions on the Mungiki fellows is wrong. When Mungiki went about extorting and then on to killing, they became criminals who needed to be dealt with by the law.I am not sure there are many kikuyus who would have sympathy for such characters.
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written by emmo opoti , November 07, 2007
Kamale,
Am I to understand from your statement that you believe Muslims drew first blood in the war on terror? Is it not the Middle East that was first attacked? Was it not then because their governments were all in the pocket of the Military Industrial Complex, that the citizens of these countries became radicalised and begun to use their religion as a rallying force?

Muslims are under attack for their religion, and their heritage. And it was the West that started the attack, not the other way around. Religion has only got into the issue now when all other avenues have failed. The same thing happened in Kenya in the 1980s when the likes of Okullu and Muge became the voice of the oppressed, and in South America during the time of Liberation Theology. The invocation of Islam is for me quite akin to the legends of Kinjeketile Ngware, simply a rallying call for a political cause, and nothing more.

I see what you say about Saudi Arabia. I am sure the 1 million Catholics number is a gross exaggeration, but even if we took it on board the House of Saud as many Muslims will tell you is one of their foremost oppressors, perhaps unrivalled anywhere even. That the Saudis are cruel should have no bearing on our perception of Kenyan Muslims.

Muslims are not complaining for nothing. There is in the West a naked and rabid anti-Muslim agenda. You can say absolutely anything about a Muslim today and get away with it, even on national television.

Owino,
The question in Amir Ibrahim's article seems clear enough to me. Given Raila's pro-American stance, is it not odd that Kenyan Muslims see him as their protector? Would it read different if the article had not been written by someone with an Islamic heritage?
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written by Abdullah Rashid , November 07, 2007
First off, try not to use words that are above your head. There's no gasconading in stating that I am an agnostic. It is actually a position of humility, as it shows I have raised my hands up and admitted that I do not know. Pity that Kenyans believe in God, may actually explain the poverty in the country if the recent Pew Report on Religion is anything to go by.


To say poverty is a result of religion and later say
I wish we did not either.
in answering my reference to the West's rejection of God only shows a lofty but lopsided mentality steeped in grandiose posturing of misleading intelligentsia. This is why I said you are gasconading and indeed it is. According to you, those who entertain religions are buffoons bereft of any idea. Isn't this the height of loftiness and braggadocio? Since when did religion turn a human being that either gets enriched or poor? It is a human being who either works or refuses to work. I'm not aware an Islam, Christianity or Judaism that tells me don't work. Unless you found one. My point is this.

Nowhere have i advocated attacking America or anything of the sort. There is a genuine fear among Kenyan Muslims like their brethren across the world of the USA. My question then is, if this fear is genuine, why ally yourself to a man and party that is very closely beholden to the USA? Majimbo and the promise of special courts, etc are double edged swords, with a serrated backside that will make Kenyan Muslims wish they did not choose to stand aside from other Kenyans.
Kibaki is a US ally as much as Raila is one. And rather than girding for confrontation with the US at this moment, we prefer conciliation and rapprochement. Special courts are not what de demand since they are not part of our solution today, moreover, special courts have been there since time immemorial. Coming to Majimbo, you don't expect us to rubbish it in the name of fear monegering. Even if there is a Majimbo, whether it is NEP or the Coast, Muslims will be part and parcel of larger Kenya administered from Nairobi. It is very hard to digest the idea that the USA is pushing for Majimbo so that it annexes NEP or part of the Coast to subjugate to Kenyan Muslims. This Majimbo affair is as old as the nation.

Are you not aware of rendition? Are you not aware of the mass murder in cold blood of Somalis by American forces? Do you suppose that the American ambassador is friends with ODM for nothing?
Yes I'm aware of it and loath it very much. But one question: Is it Raila or Kibaki who sold our sons? Yes, I'm aware of the massacre in Somalia, but the US has been operating in Upper and NEP parts for long time. Who built the Wajir airport? Kenya or the US and Israel? Was it Raila who has been giving them this permissions? That said, the US is present in every country in Africa. And they have camps in Djibouti. Moreover, as Duale explained in his earlier post about Somaliland and the Kenyan elections, it was Kibaki who sustained the same hostile Moi policy. In Raila government, the expectation of Kenyan Muslims in playing high profile is very high. We hope Balala and Billow will be up there to smoothen things. The other thing is: Raila has been our friends much as he was of the US. Raila's admiration for Kenyan Muslims and Islam is a not a gimmick. I said he is not a Muslim but to respect us is what's called civilisation. Living with Michuki is not an option for us.

It is my argument that there are different standards in this for Muslims than for other people, do you disagree?
I agree Muslims are treated with suspicion today, but to Isolate is to ignore this suspicion and keep quiet. That's why we want to play a role and claim our position so that we have a voice. Engage and influnce others, then you can make a difference. We can claim our portion when we deliver something. So that's why we have to support someone for us to claim reward later. We have seen Kibaki, there is no insider role for us in him government. Neither can we operate with colonial chiefs like Michuki.


Can one really believe in Hedonism, you play fast and loose with your words, don't you Rushd.
Why not? Atheism also is a religion. It tells you say there is no God and supreme being. Hedonism is a religion, it tells pleasure and it feels good, do it is what brings happiness. That's a religion. Why do people believe in religions? Because they are looking for happiness and security. Therefore hedonist West find solace in hedonism.

Once again an ODM man affirms that the party exists for the sole purpose of getting back at the perceived masters, the GEMA. I wish we would stop looking at the world this way, CDF, LATF, Youth Funds, Road Funds, what are we doing with them? That is the question. Are we starting and running businesses? Are we sending our children to school? Are they staying there long enough, are they reading the right subjects? I think the problem is more of attitudes than anything else.

With due respect, you missed my point and tried to stuff yours in my mouth. I have no interest in tribal affairs, though one can't b free from tribe. I'm not a Luo for one if ODM is about Luo and it is not, that said, what I said was the Luo community suffered in some ways like what I called here the Muslim community. Is this not pure honesty? So it is like we are starting a new journey. It is the GEMA who are concocting stories that ODM is after GEMA, it is self consolation and fear mongering. That's why GEMA minisers go the Mt. Kenya and say "We are losing the presidency." Since when the Presidency belonged to GEMA or a tribe?

This actually is quite sad. So you like Raila because he has memorised the Qur'an? What a backward country we come from! So you overlook everything else about the man and settle on this?


I was enumerating all the reasons why the majority of the Kenyan Muslim commuinty is going with Raila and this was one of them. Still, you preffered to read between the lines and cut my explanatory words that followed the above statement that you expounded on. This is what added: "We are not saying he loves us or Islam but to appreciate our faith is maturity and a sign of civilised mentality. I myself know Christianity very well, and I attended a National school where for 4 years in High school, I have attended the Church services and did CRE rather than IRE, but I?m a Muslim 110%."

I am sure this seems a good thing, but the President could hardly allow his office to be seen to take sides in the Greater Somalia's troubles, could he?


What is that he didn't do to harm Somalia? In fact, Somalis prefer Ethiopia in some ways as it was too open about its hatred and hostility unlike Kibaki who played both tacit and explicit roles in demolishing Somalia both today and yesterday. He is part of the old clique that hangovers over the past.

I wonder how useful this is. Does not the Bush family have very close contacts with the House of Saud? Did they not bankroll all of his early failed businesses?


The fact that a certain friend of the USA did this or that doesn't mean we should shun every friend of the USA. You can't bring parallel between the two again, bcoz looking at this relationshop from every aspect is very different from Raila/Kenya reality.


I admit this is a problem, and a big one at that. I will not at all claim that it is easy being a Kenyan Muslim, but like my article made clear, rather than agitate for change as Muslims, we must sue in court as Kenyan citizens. There are many Kenyan communities with genuine grievances against the state, but it seems to me that the politicians are not capable of turning this around. It is part of the system, and the only way to change it is by making those promoting it pay in court, much in the same way as women are doing. We do have a Bill of Rights, remember? Just to reiterate, setting ourselves apart will lead to extremism.


Wagalla massacre has been in the courts but it will take 100 years before it is finished. The Kenyan justice is political dear. And unless you go political, you will not succeed. Today, there are many Muslims who have cases in the courts, but nothing is forthcoming. We have not seperated, and still, we don't need seperation. The fact that NEP or the Coast may have Muslim majority is not different from Lower Eastern, a Christian and AIC area. So still, we are Kenyans and let everyone be happy and contribute what he/she can. The other thing is courts were not created for Muslims, each and ever day we can't troop to the courts complaining. We must address the political aspects of the oppression and exclusion. In this case, we must play a role for us to claim a stake.

I see that the Head of State has been naughty, now I ask you if Raila's friendship with the Americans portends a better or a worse future. Is it not possible that once the US sets up big shop in Kenya, denying the Chief Kadhi a place at national celebrations will look like small details?


Amir,USA doesn't need Raila to settle in Kenya. They are already here and they can do whatever they need to do today. I don't want to us to live in perpetual fear of the US and rubbish everything American. Raila's friendship may turn to be a blessing since he will be trusted to manage the country, and thus we may work together for the betterment of our people. We prefer someone who is US freind than one who is an enemy. Yet, Kibaki is a dear friend of the US, only that he is not a high profile personality, and he has never been a charismatic person. So don't see the fact that Kibaki is sleepy for you to imagine that he has good.


Finally, Kenyan Muslims should be the very last people to attempt this because they are a minority. Trust me, the Christian fundamentalists are unbeatable in numbers,resources and passion. If you want to go toe to toe with them, mtamalizwa



Njue supported the PNU when he said he was against Majimbo/devolution bcoz the divide is between the two, and in Bomas, he was for it much as Mt. Kenya MPs were for Majimbo in 2001 when they met in Naivasha. The question of Christian fundementalism and how it can damage Muslims, well, already it is there. But we respect Christians but not fanatics be they Muslims, Christians or otherwise. About us Muslims getting exterminated, I don't want to bid anyone for this, and I don't want also to imagine religious wars in Kenya. God forbid. But Muslims will not be at the mercy of anyone if the push comes to shove. You haven't seen the last of the truth. It will be the opposite, but lets not go that way or argue about it. We have been in Kenya as Muslims 800 years before Christianity came, and we have mainainted peace and brotherhood.
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written by Amir Ibrahim , November 07, 2007
Just yesterday, the Pope was making representations for the 1 million Catholics who cannot worship in public in Saudi Arabia or even wear anything that identifies their religion.

Apart from just crying wolf, I think the Muslims tend to hide behind their religion rather too much! These cries are premised on the war on terror I believe. But would you say that these people commit the crimes they do in the name of the Islamic Faith? Most Muslims I have spoken to disagree and suggest the faith does not call for murder of innocent people! But then it becomes convenient to hide behind the religion!

The war on terror is an attack on (some) Muslims. There is really no other way to see it, but more than that it is an attack on democracy in Islamic societies, it is denial to (some) Muslims of the basic rights available to the rest of mankind. Islamic fundamentalism only exists because no politics is permitted in the tyrannies of the Middle East. So it is very much an uprising, one based on religion no doubt, but an uprising all the same against the forces of the West.
When people are attacked, they look for something to rally around. Iran, Iraq, Egypt, etc were once very secular countries, but then came the West with their oil companies and mass murder and religion raised her ugly head.
Similarly Charles Mattel, Ferdinand and Isabella, etc were much lauded and followed for their 'Christian' passion as much as anything, when it was necessary to rally Europe around the invading infidels from the East. it is just human nature, nothing else really, and I doubt it will stop until the West stops oppressing/ invading Muslim lands.

So people are not hiding behind the Islamic faith when discriminated against. The discrimination is real, only too real, not yet in Kenya but certainly in the West.

Finally, I think your suggestions on the Mungiki fellows is wrong. When Mungiki went about extorting and then on to killing, they became criminals who needed to be dealt with by the law.I am not sure there are many Kikuyu who would have sympathy for such characters.

I am talking about the extra-legal killing of Kikuyu youths. I am shocked that you think Kikuyus have no sympathy for such characters, among their number were young boys on half-term. Thank God I at least have sympathy for them! I doubt very much that you would have 'no sympathy' for them if it was Moi's government mowing them down.
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Kamale,
Am I to understand from your statement that you believe Muslims drew first blood in the war on terror? Is it not the Middle East that was first attacked? Was it not then because their governments were all in the pocket of the Military Industrial Complex, that the citizens of these countries became radicalised and begun to use their religion as a rallying force?

Muslims are under attack for their religion, and their heritage. And it was the West that started the attack, not the other way around. Religion has only got into the issue now when all other avenues have failed. The same thing happened in Kenya in the 1980s when the likes of Okullu and Muge became the voice of the oppressed, and in South America during the time of Liberation Theology. The invocation of Islam is for me quite akin to the legends of Kinjeketile Ngware, simply a rallying call for a political cause, and nothing more.



Emmo,

I respectfully wish to disagree. The point I am making is that Islam is a religion and muslims are not a race/tribe but adherents of Islam!

Would your argument hold true if Peter Njenga arraigned in court for Robbery with violence claimed that it was christians being persecuted?

As I said above, unless anyone wants to tell me that when you blow up the US embassy in Kenya and kill 240 kenyans it is the call of Islam to do so, then I have no understanding of that religion. As I said earlier, people want to hide behind religion when it is convinient. I have muslim friend whom I challenged on the 70 or so virgins dossier. To him, they exist in the quran but they are not promised murderers. Islam does not like criminals and that is why some of us think Sharia Law is a cruel form of law. So let us not align the Islamic religion with terror. It is people who profess the faith that commit the terror!

You have seen the damage fundamentalist christian clergy can do to people even in America. Closer home in Kenya it is worse.

These people are all christians and muslims - just for religon. Marginalisation and discrimination cannot be on account of this!
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written by Abdullah Rashid , November 07, 2007
It seems we are digressing as we delve into other issues. I agree with Amir on the fact that Islam as a faith is under attack, and disagree with him on the Raila factor, i.e whether he will add to the Muslim misery or help them. Those who are brining parallel between Mungiki and Muslims saying no one is segregated due to his religion miss the whole point. Coming down to the Kibaki factor and what's driving Muslims away from him, you must know that all the Churches that openly declared war on Islam in Kenya are supporting Kibaki's re-election bid. Apart from Margaret Wanjiru who is in ODM now, Njue who among other churches called Islam a "a dragon from the East", notwithstanding that Islam resided in Kenya 800 years before Christianity came is on Kibaki's side. PCEA moderator David Githii lambasted Islam terming it a "a poison" and he is rooting for Kibaki. His immediate predecessor is in Kibaki Tena council. So this adds to the Muslim community's worries. Why are all the bigots and Islamophobes supporting Kibaki? In fact, was it not for Kamanda who will get the PNU ticket in Starehe, Wanjiru would have supported Kibaki, but since Kamanda was a PNU asset, she switched the camps. That Muslims are against him due to his personality, approach and treatmnet is well understood by Kibaki himself. Didn't you see that since he formed PNU, he has been after the Muslim Community? Giving them this, dishing this and that, visiting their land, promising this, commissioning this, forming Kariuki type commissions, and now he did the unexpected. He created a new Muslim national holiday. Here is the question: why now? Kibaki rejected this idea 3 times before. So you will not convince Muslims that he has respect for them. Uganda declared all Muslim holidays national holidays many years ago without the Muslims demanding it, and Kibaki rejected our pleas only to accept then at his desperate hour. What ingenuity?
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written by Abdullah Rashid , November 07, 2007
kamale wrote:

I have muslim friend whom I challenged on the 70 or so virgins dossier. To him, they exist in the quran but they are not promised murderers.


We will be happy if we are shown this in the Quran. The other thing is religious fundementalism is something that cuts across the board. That said, I challenge you to tell us where the word religious fundementalism originated from? From Muslims or others? History is known to all and we don't need to play games on this. However, the topic of the writer concerns Raila and Kibaki, and it should stay there for now. But one more question, why do you think Kibaki declared Muslim Holiday a national holiday now and rejected the same idea 3 times earlier including when we headed to the 2005 referendum?
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written by emmo opoti , November 07, 2007
Would your argument hold true if Peter Njenga arraigned in court for Robbery with violence claimed that it was Christian's being persecuted?


This is not a political act. The bombing of the American Embassy by my understanding was a political act. When we have tribal clashes, we cannot pretend that they are ordinary crimes, they are also political acts and must be judged quite differently than we would normal murder or destruction of poverty.

Ask an Indian friend of yours for his opinion on Muslims, or a Thai one even. What do white Germans think of their fellows who have converted to Islam? Or consider this link here, Black Ministers Preach Against Evil New Mosque., or the violence in Northern Ireland or as you pointed out previously, the vile and fascistic Saudi regime. There may be other reasons behind this violence (are prejudice and discrimination not synonyms?) , but the truth is even in ethnically homogenous states there is a lot of discrimination on religious grounds.

Religion over time leads to cultural differences whether in clothing, career choice, residence and so on. So even those like Europe's Jews who were in no way indistinguishable from their neighbours could be picked out for discrimination. So the argument is when does a religion begin to constitute a people, and is this development at all beneficial? Like Amir above, i do not think this evolution should be promoted, and the attempts at creating religious constituencies (whether Christian or Muslim) are truly dangerous.

Rashid,
It is only with amusement that I read your belief that Balala can exact any sort of influence on Raila Odinga.

Amir and Rashid,
If that Northern part of Kenya is developed into a wealthy province, with Aloe, Jatropha,(why find oil when you can make it?) even sea farms. The Tana Delta is definitely begging to be wealthy. Kenyans from NEP have a greater entrepreneurial bent than most other Kenyans, can they make gold out of the desert? Oil hit $98 yesterday, does this not mean NEP can soon become the engine of the country's growth, especially as the thermal power stations become too expensive to run?
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written by Magothe , November 08, 2007
As with others, I start with a disclaimer, I am a non-partisan Kenyan.

I hereby attach the signed MoU between the ODM-Malaika and a section of the Muslim community in Kenya. See attached document.

It is important that candidates court all Kenyans equally. And serve them equally once they get to the statehouse.
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written by Kamale , November 12, 2007
Emmo,

You finally got it right - the bombing of the US Embassy was a political act and not a religious act. So when you are combating terrorism, it is not against Islam but against "politicians" who profess the islamic faith. The two are not related.

Abdullau Rashid:

You say it is between Kibaki and Raila. You also say that it depends on who gives the muslims more goodies than the other. You actually insult the intelligence of muslims if you suggest that they are mere pawns being played on my politicians. Acting against terrorism or not doing anything are the options that face any government. Raila would rather some Kenyan coming from Somalia where a group aligned to Al Qaeda is fighting a local government be taken back and not be investigated for any links with terrorism.

We must stop this short termist way of thinking as the end result will be the situation some countries actually find themselves in dealing with terrorism.
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written by emmo opoti , November 12, 2007

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written by emmo opoti , November 12, 2007
For those willing to read more into the subject, here is a link to the foremost book on Suicide Terrorism written by American Professor Robert Pape. Quite clearly if the West was not oppressing the Middle East, there would be no suicide bombing and no terrorism of the kind we know today.


Dying to Win; the Logic of Suicide Bombing.
An excerpt from its WikiPage,

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Edowino

I see you can always be relied on to pop up with a defense of Raila, no matter how feeble. If you had it in you to understand my article, you would have seen that I am for removing religion completely from our politics. Meanwhile, Ngao has made clear that he was speaking as a Shirikisho official and not an official of SupKem.


I assume I don't 'have it in me' to understand your article. First things first, I read your earlier article on the Kenyan Muslim, was unbiased and was objective. I also have to say that I have never explicitly come in support of Raila, so if that is your conclusion, it was arrived at by reading between the lines.

Allow me to read between the lines as well, you claim to be for removing religion from politics but it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to discern the tone and the drift of your article especially with regards to certain political players who are known to everybody.

On to Sheikh Juma Ngao. If, as you say, he was speaking on behalf of the Shirikisho party, why did he make an explicit statement with reference to the Muslim community supporting Kibaki? It would have been more logical for him to say that the Shirikisho party supports Kibaki. Any reference he makes to the Muslim community brings his position as a Muslim leader into the equation.
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written by Amir Ibrahim , November 13, 2007
Edowino
It almost goes without saying that Sheikh Juma Ngao declared that the Muslim community will support Kibaki's candidature way before anyone in the Muslim community. Pot? Kettle?? Black???
Talk of hypocrisy.

I see you can always be relied on to pop up with a defense of Raila, no matter how feeble. If you had it in you to understand my article, you would have seen that I am for removing religion completely from our politics. Meanwhile, Ngao has made clear that he was speaking as a Shirikisho official and not an official of SupKem.

Gichangi
A zone in Northern Kenya that can be accused of complicity in terrorism and therefore a legitimate target for attack, and even colonization.


This is exactly my fear. A hived off NEP will not be any other Kenyans problem. People's lives will go by as their fellow citizens are polished off up North for 'refusing' to comply with the Americans and we will not even know anything about it down here. The distance itself is already a problem , but if Kenyans from NEP could 'join' Kenya more, they would be much better off than by setting themselves apart.

Rushd
It is good that you only thought about it otherwise it is a big lie and you are uninformed on this with due respect though. Kibaki aided Ethiopia in attacking Somalia, shared intelligence with Ethiopia and even facilitated the passage of Ethiopian troops from Mandera to the Lower Shabelle Province of Somalia. He later closed the border crippling the Kenyan-Somalis economy which relied on border business and goods. Read the International Crisis Group story on this and how it made Kenyan Somalis poorer.


I was not at all happy about this either. We had a debate about it on these pages, but I still think Kibaki could have done far worse. With his endless associations with the Americans and his penchant for violent confrontation, I doubt very much Raila would not have sent Kenyan troops into Somalia.

Alexander
This may well change after 2008, and I hope that it does.

A hope in vain. It is set to get much worse, especially with oil stocks dwindling, the price of petrol spiraling and the very real possibility of an election between Hillary Clinton and his utmost evilness Rudy Giuliani.

Seline
Can somebody please clarify something here. When we/the author talks of Muslims, does he refer to those who profess the Muslim faith or to a specific Islam/Muslim dominated region?

I would be asking the same question, but I recently saw a Muslim man in Western province asking in a Vox Pop segment on TV, what Raila would do for Muslims. Seems to me Kenyan Muslims are very dangerously contriving to construct a single community out of their number.

Joe
this Muslim issue in Kenya has more to do with xenophobia rather than religion itself. I suspect.


I concur. A lot of the discrimination is based on phenotypic appearance. I know of mixed race Kenyans who have been accused of being Al Qaeda by the police, of Sudanese refugees who have to hand over large bribes to the police, of Kenyan Indians who have to bribe to sneeze in Kenya and so on. I do not think there will be any religious discrimination coming the way of a Muslim Luyia from Kabras or one of Barack Obama's relatives from Siaya, at least not at a government office.
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written by wa rongai , November 13, 2007
We should learn to ask the hard questions to leaders who seek our votes regardless of whether you are a supporter or not...
Read and open the attachment at the bottom of the mail...
Make your judgment based on facts...


We, the young Muslims of NAMLEF read with dismay the denial of Raila Odinga contained in yesterday's newspapers that he signed an M.O.U with our leadership. Is he claiming that Sheikh Abdillahi Abdi, Sheikh Mohamed Dor and Others have told lies? Is he claiming that our publication, The Friday Bulletin and the NAMLEF pamphlet is telling lies? The Holy Qur'an, S ii 204 to 207 has warned us of this type of man. We will not sit back while Raila trashes our teachers who welcomed him with open arms and he now casts them as liars unfit to lead us. We have attached a copy of the M.O.U that Mr Raila Odinga wishes to deny after securing the support of our leaders. We challenge him to deny that he signed it because we have all the evidence we need even to take it to a court of law. Please do not take us for granted, we are not a stepping stone to power.
Behold the words of The Holy Quran, s lxxvii 15-19.

Signed.
Seif Khalif
Yahya Mohammed
Ali Athumani
Nassir Ibrahim
Abdul Hussein.

Link to Nation article
PDF]Islam Kenya link
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I dont trust Raila
written by stanngaira , November 29, 2007
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Langata Barracks
written by justine , December 22, 2007
There is information coming from the 7th Kenya Rifle barracks in Langata that a group of soldiers are being trained on crowd dispersal techniques for the last 2 weeks, which is irregular in the military.There is a hive of activities a the barracks with a number of generals moving in and out,including Chief of the general staff, Army Commander, General Mwaniki etc,who are consulting in hushed tones. The soldiers involved have not been briefed as to the purpose of the training.
please check it out.
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