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Written by David Obura   
Wednesday, 16 January 2008

Mr. Kibaki, Mr. Odinga - are you listening to us, to Wanjiku - we are after all supposed to be your employers?

We know that Mr. Kibaki has lost his hearing, a fact demonstrated by his leading us down this road? Mr. Odinga, on his part, in the excitement of the moment is perhaps not hearing so well either, it is such a temptation.
 
If you read the newspapers, magazines or anything on the internet, listen to the radio, watch television, or take note of the chatter in the markets, at fireplaces in remote villages across the land, weddings or funerals  one thing does come out clearly. Kenyans across the country are horrified by the wave of extremism death and destruction that has visited their country. There is no point in blaming one person, or the last government, or the one before for our present state. The seeds that led to this uproar predate these governments and go back 50, 70 even 100 years. Essentially, the root causes of this violence are not as significant as what this violence points at, the fact that Kenyans finally feel that they have the first roots of what it takes to be a representative democracy- to try their hand at majority rule, not the will of the few.
 
Those self-same Kenyans are united in their rejection of the lie of December 30th. Mr. Kibaki (and we can only call you 'Mr.' as your presidency is, most feel, illegitimate) - you and those around you do cannot fool Kenyans even a moment. It is clear now that your actions are entirely selfish and a perpetuation of the 'everything for the few' structure that has oppressed Kenya for the last 100 years.
 
Mr. Odinga, on his part makes for great uncertainty with his determined call for mass action. These calls impose on the national psyche the most urgent question. Is Mr Odinga a representative of our desires and an agent for the redress of the national dignity and unity, or is this the eternal prefix to the statement, "I should be President"? If Mwai Kibaki and company are to be held up to the most exacting standards and pressed into service for the public good, then our battle and Odinga's are one. If, however, it is another calumny, as great as the big lie sold to us in 2002, if it will be forgotten that in the offices of our executive and legislative is an obligation to serve, protect and promote the national interest, then we must promptly part company with the ODM leader, we can go no further along the road of exploitation that has enslaved our effort these last 50 years.
 
The Lang'ata MP has called for mass action - but what exactly does he mean, and does every Kenyan understand this call the same way? In many countries, such a call is simply translated as a call to ‘stand up for your rights'. In Kenya, however, such democratic expression is unfortunately captured by opportunistic private gangs that want to capture attention by employing violence and vandalism. Their efforts are almost certain to invite the police to act in such a manner as to turn on the crowds and therefore instigate riotous behaviour that will then justify their use of force. In the subsequent breakdown, the criminal gangs will seek to loot and destroy the very foundation of our hope of future prosperity. 

Why should people, already suffering the tragedy of the past three weeks, get themselves out of their homes and walk the streets knowing full well that the events above will come to pass? While they battle the probabilities with missiles of every sort, the sting of pepper and the pain of tear gas, those of you calling for the mass action will be whisked away at speed by 4WD or by helicopter, staying long enough only to risk a bloodied head for the cameras at that press conference. 

This is not to suggest the slightest disloyalty to the cause; I support the primary reason for action. What holds me back however, is an understanding of the nature of our society and the frankly, unacceptable cost of the uncontainable rage.
 
It is imperative now that we are innovative, that we learn from the sages of our time - Mahatma Ghandi and Nelson Mandela. There is the greatest need to ensure that any action we contemplate is non-violent, that we retain permanent occupation of the higher moral position. Mass action, obviously, given the urges of the police force and of the usurpatory criminal elements cannot be guaranteed to be non-violent, but act we must. What then should we do on today, tomorrow and on Friday? 

Stay home 
All Kenyan workers must stay home. All business owners ought to support their workers - with pay by closing down for the three days. Those who own matatus and buses should ensure that they disappear from the roads on that day. Everything but the most essential services such as schools and hospitals must be closed down. The last week has taught us the horrors of violence, horrors against which the cost of a few days away from work will be agreeably affordable. 

Let's shut the country down. Let's say to Mr. Kibaki and those at his court, a firm and resolute, ‘No,' let's say to our political masters, "we see through you, you cannot manipulate us". Our new MPs, still retaining their virtue, must now declare to each other, ‘we will not work today, we will stand in solidarity with those people who have voted for us. We must be brave, we must be ready to be a vanguard, to lead on Wednesday and let others follow on Thursday and Friday. Some will no doubt go to rallies, we will see them on Al Jazeera and the BBC, and if we are successful, we will see more of them stay home on Thursday and even more on Friday.
 
Then we must stay home until we break the politicians' oppressive will, all of us. Only the quick and the strong can attend public rallies, but all of us can stay away from work, the poor and the rich, in national solidarity, in a powerful demonstration of the collective will. 

Let us say through our silence and peaceful protest to any mediators whether local or international that we will not accept some backroom power-sharing deal between these politicians", "we want justice, we want an open count", "we want a president, whatever his faults, that we know for certainity we elected". Only then will we say to this person, be it Mr. Kibaki, Mr. Odinga, or someone else "yes, we elected you, but know that we have expectations of justice, we have expectations of fairness, we are watching you, we will hold you to account".
 
And if these three days of protest this week don't convince them of our passion and the severity of our desire, we will remain resolute in our determination not to destroy our country, we will remain even more determined not to leave our country to go to the dogs like we have done these last 40 years. And we will remember every Wednesday until we are satisfied with a just solution, we will stay home, we will repeat the message, we will gain strength in mass solidarity. One day of lost national earnings per week costs much less than the death and destruction we have seen in the last two weeks, it costs far less than another 5 years of political and economic mayhem that serves the interests of a select few while hurting perhaps permanently the national interest. Such unbendable determination will cost less than the next Goldenberg or AngloLeasing, it will bestow on us a moral pride and dignity that we can pass on into our national tradition. This is Kenya, and we must now say of the strife, enough is enough.
 
So come now you Kenyans, this Wednesday, let us show Mr. Kibaki that we know what it means to stage a peaceful protest. Let us show to Mr. Odinga that we know what it means to act in our common interest. Let us all sit down and refuse to move, stay home and refuse to move, let the silence in the streets shout the message "enough". Let the only words spoken be "justice and peace" ... until we get them.





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written by kboit , January 16, 2008
Finally ... some sense ... Kibaki's presidency has heavy illegitimacies but Raila's call for rallies is just plain irresponsible ... 'Mass Sit In' is a much better alternative
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oh please-wake up & smell the
written by magothe , January 16, 2008
"All employers must support their employees... with pay". Which planet are you on or which content? Kenya is a developing country sorry least developing country.
The last thing we need is to stop working so we can honour a nobody who gets paid Ksh850k per month.
Parliament is open, let the politicians do what they are good at and what we voted for them to do. The rest of us need to get on with our lives (those who can). Our economy has days not weeks to step back from the abyss that politics has dropped us into.
Only an elite (who has access to internet and the like and 3 square meals a day), would write such BS.
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written by a guest , January 16, 2008
The best solution as per justice is for the landed Kikuyu gentry to give portions of the vast farms they have stolen from innocent Kenyans to their wretchedly poor and landless Kikuyu brothers and sisters.

That would be justice or at least a semblance thereof.

Solution: Kikuyu elite should care for their *own*.
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written by Wananchi , January 16, 2008
Anyone hearing news of tear gas in Kibera? 12:40am NBI time. I am getting reports
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written by aeichener , January 16, 2008
Just one hint to the author: a general strike can be a powerful weapon, much more so in Kenya than let's say in the Central African Republic or Chad. It has proven its force in Guinea. But it will not happen. COTU has decided against it.

And anyhow, if such a manifestation of the workers' force were to be contemplated, it should be to foster a revolutionary restructuring of Kenya's political system, but not to merely play one clique of corrupt crooks and criminals against the other. The ODM luminaries are, if anything, worse than PNU. And that means not only Ruto, the butcher of Eldoret.

Alexander
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written by a guest , January 16, 2008
Finally ... some sense ... Kibaki's presidency has heavy illegitimacies but Raila's call for rallies is just plain irresponsible ... 'Mass Sit In' is a much better alternative

That will be the next step if Kibaki insists on being stubborn.
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general strike already here
written by Wuod Aketch , January 16, 2008
Just one hint to the author: a general strike can be a powerful weapon, much more so in Kenya than let's say in the Central African Republic or Chad. It has proven its force in Guinea. But it will not happen. COTU has decided against it.

And anyhow, if such a manifestation of the workers' force were to be contemplated, it should be to foster a revolutionary restructuring of Kenya's political system, but not to merely play one clique of corrupt crooks and criminals against the other. The ODM luminaries are, if anything, worse than PNU. And that means not only Ruto, the butcher of Eldoret.

Alexander


It will be more or less like it, with all workers staying at home for three days!

Then there will be an official national and general strike for another three days and so on.
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written by manta ray , January 16, 2008
ODM has no massed ranks to effect a peaceful and successful General strike. Half the Country support Kibaki, a great many of them those matatu owners, plus another 800000 who supported Kalonzo and are likely now in the Kibaki camp, effectively 55% of those who voted. A strike as proposed above will therefore be ineffective and will be like whistling into the wind.
Those who oppose Kibaki, as is their right to, need to get out of the blinkered self deceit that Kibaki is unpopular NATIONWIDE AND ACROSS THE BOARD.
If you want to fight Kibaki, you must take cognisance of that truth and plan accordingly.
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Get the blinkers off your eyes
written by Jandege , January 16, 2008
Kibaki got support right across the board? You must be joking. An impostor who lost in six of the eight provinces cannot have support across the board. Check a letter in the dailynation today by an American who can't understand how the world can tolerate this daylight robbery. Sample this: 470,000 people apparently voted for Kibaki but not for their local MP. Is this the kind of support across the board you are talking about?
What surprises me more is how supposedly informed people keep justifying a fallacy. Take note, since 2003 kibaki has been undermining all institutions of the republic, from the Judiciary (radical surgery my foot!), to the Legislature (remember uhuru's tirade of yore about poaching)to the media (artur's raid on Standard Newspapers)to the ECK (now totally discredited). Yet some of us are keeping silent and egging him on for purely tribal reasons. With the absence of institutions the end result will be ANARCHY. Lets call a spade what it is, the world is moving on while our motherland is regressing. Fact: kibaki lost the elections, and typical of him, stole. Take time off and read what Ugandans, Tanzanians, South Africans, hell everyone else is saying about the elections. They can't be all wrong can they?
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re: Get the blinkers off your
written by aeichener , January 16, 2008
Sample this: 470,000 people apparently voted for Kibaki but not for their local MP. Is this the kind of support across the board you are talking about?


Yes. The differentiation of national vote and local vote is normal. That explains why Kibaki got a lot more votes than the PNU parliamentary candidates. To understand it might require a minimum level of political maturity, which many wananchi apparently possess, but not all discutants here.

Alexander
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Fuzzy Math
written by Miharati , January 16, 2008
Jandege - lets correct a few falsehoods that you are spreading.
1. Kibaki won in 4 of the 8 provinces and not 2. Please check the kenyan sources and do not rely on unverified american reporting
2. In places like Rongai and Baringo North, there were a multitude of pro-Kibaki MPs on different party tickets. Their combined votes were greater than the winning candidates - who happened to be ODM; by simple deduction, Kibaki's votes would then be more than the winning MPs. You are wrongly implying that the vote was "3-piece". It was not in most pro-PNU areas. ODM enforced it (hat tip to their implementation of strategy. PNU bungled it.
3. The lowest percentage of votes that Kibaki got was 17% in Nyanza. Raila got less than 5% in TWO provinces. (Eastern and Central). Who has wider national support?
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written by Nyabs , January 16, 2008
I believe some reality check is in order here:

First: the disputed elections- I find it curious that ODM, aggrieved as they are, have not found it prudent to provide documentary evidence of the vote alteration for the whole world to see. I am waiting with bated breath to see their response to the paid advert by government in today's newspapers. For the sake of my own sanity, I really do need to know who won this election. The American Ambassador is quoted as saying that this could have gone either way. Kivuitu does not know. ODM is not providing evidence in the people's court, so bottom line is I do not know who won the election. If anyone does have the evidence, please do let me see it.

In the light of the above, ODM cannot with certainity say that they won the election and it was stolen from them. Neither can the President unless he can prove that he did actually win.

Under the circumstances, only a judicial process can shed light to this great mystery.

Second: This economy is reeling. Businesses have been burnt to the ground, tourist numbers are going down, manufacturing has been affected. Everyone in their right senses should be working hard to restore normalcy so that all of us can be engaged in productive activities that will enable us to buy unga ya ugali and sukumawiki. Normalcy will not return with calls to mass action and sit ins.These just create uncertainities that may force the economy into a nose dive and then who will suffer most? The poor.

Third: We have 600 people dead and 250,000 displaced. The toll will go up after today's mass action. Let us ask the hard questions: how many of the dead are sons and daughters, nieces and nephews and grandchildren of Kibaki and Raila. Your guess is as a good as mine. None. Follow up question; if this issue is so important to Kibaki, Raila and Ruto, why have they not gone out in the frontline to fight for "haki"? Answer? They have enough cannon fodder to do that for them as they relax in state or in the leafy suburbs of Karen and get briefings on how the issues are unfolding. The dead are unfortunate victims of the violence and ethnic hartred and militia and demonstrators unfortunate enough to stop a police bullet.

How many more must die before sense prevails? How many more must displaced? How many more properties destroyed?

For those of you who may be quick to respond " until justice is done" do consider this: you may be comfortably seated in your office or home with internet access, in a location that is unlikely to be torched and with enough food stocks or funds to wait this one out. Unfortunately, the ordinary mwananchi does not have that luxury. "Until justice is done" may mean life and death to him/her, not to you.

Fourthly: I have not seen across the political divide any demonstration of concern for those that have been killed or displaced from their homes. Apart from words, I have not seen any real effort towards peace building and some of the pronouncements of the key protaganists worry me stiff. Do sample one with me " Violence will not stop until justice is done" Raila Odinga on Aljazeera. No one seems to care that people are hurting and looking for leadership that will remove Kenya from this mess.

And lastly: are the political ambitions of two men really worth the death and destruction we are seeing? Really?
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written by thunder , January 16, 2008
May be you did not understand what is being put across. Let me help you with some linient arithmentical manipulations. The simple thing is take votes casted for all the members of parliament in a constituency put it together. Take the two to ten votes that raila and others got sum it with kibakis. In quite a number of places the difference is more than 20,000, Juja for instance. So it means that 20,000 of the people who voted came in, cast their ballot for their presidential candidate and went back home without voting for the councillor or member of parliament. You know very well it has never happened in kenya. Not when your choice presidential candidate has told you to give him MPs.
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written by Miharati , January 16, 2008
Thunder/Jandego - where is this arithmetic? I am willing to take a look at the analysis instead of the summary. I too can count. This way, I will be sure that it is not just propaganda.
Does the analysis include the 3 parliamentary seats that have to be repeated? In these constituencies, the presidential votes were counted but the parliamentary votes were not counted. How many parliamentary votes vs. presidential votes were spoilt?

I am also willing to hypothesize that about 5% of the voters did not care about the parliamentary and civic seats? Not a stretch considering the numerous political parties that parliamentary candidates ran on. I voted and even I was amazed by the list I was faced with. Except for the unverifiable general statement that you made that Kenyans cannot vote for president without voting for parliamentary and civic candidates, what else convinces you that a discrepancy between presidential and parliamentary votes means fraud?
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written by Skivist , January 16, 2008

And lastly: are the political ambitions of two men really worth the death and destruction we are seeing? Really?

You actually believe those fighting are fighting for Raila? Those fighting are fighting for their rights. Why else would I leave my house to go vote in 2012?


Otherwise we'll sit down and plan on how to overthrow the government since it seems we cannot get justice in the ballot box!!

(Well, you are free to take your gun and storm Statehouse (you will have to discuss the affair with the PEU there), instead of playing the armchair revolutionary behind a keyboard. The latter pastime is not really what KI is for. Eds.)
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written by ciru , January 16, 2008
Nyabs , well said and articulated. For you Obura, you can write in the comfort of your home/apartment but a Wanjiku, Atieno and their children now residing in Jamhuri park unfortunately didn't read this piece nor do they care about "No Justice, no Peace" for what peace do they have in a rainy Jamhuri park?

I have not witnessed the so called wronged volunteering from their leafy Muthaiga "burbs" nor have I seen their siblings or relatives doing so . As we speak most are in my neighborhood in the States enjoying the free and just world.
The go slow we talk of is perhaps not going to affect those who can afford internet, after all my assumption they have some cash stashed away somewhere in Barclays bank.

The leaders we so fight for have offshore accounts that are bearing interest as well and their monthly bill for being MP will be footed by the so same govt we are trying to cripple.

Most of us when we write we interprete democracy in a such a naive position and this justice we seem to be so calling for, isn't it fair to say that such justice can only be arrived at by providing evidence and proving beyond reasonable doubt like Nyabs articulated in her comment above?

Please I think we need to critically think of what is at stake 20 years to come while we try to fight for 5 years!
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written by Nyabs , January 16, 2008
Thank you Ciru.

I would love to belong to the female gender but, I am a man!
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written by ciru , January 16, 2008
Nyabs: Sorry:-)
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written by a guest , January 16, 2008
The support for Kibaki principally emanates from those who would like to couch their arguments in *neutral* terms while propagating identity politics primarily defined in tribal terms.

Or is it just another example of herd mentality?
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Malaria Panadol Analogy
written by thunder , January 16, 2008
This for positive and critical thinkers.
What kenyan requires now more than ever is operationalization of dead institutions in the country and until structures are put in place to guarantee that this is going happen, demonstrations will go on. How do we talk of normalcy before the root cause is addressed. How do you give a malaria candidate panadol (to kill joint pain and headache) and let the protozoa multiply in him or her? Can you go ahead to say he is normal because he is not feeling pain? There may be calmness but can you call this peace?
The situation is simple:
Case one: one man has the only key that opens and controls the only cabinet where the malarial drugs are stored. He doesn't want to open it because if he does this, he will not be worshiped anymore for being the holder of the only key of what people need most. He does not want these drugs to be distributed to smaller cabinets where other key holders can help give out drugs faster when needed. This because his power lies in monopoly of the drugs-and-essentials cabinet.
Case two: the other man is looking for the key and is strongly feeling that he is the one who can decentralize the distribution of the drugs. This makes him popular with the people who are tired of begging for the drugs they buy with their money from the very people they appointed and are paying to do the job. This pledge makes the second man more popular and you know the outcome dec 27 2007. (Remember it made the 1st man popular in 2002 and was appointed in absentia) Further this second man feels he got the authority to hold the key and hence should start dispensing drugs to the many sick people who have constantly been given the wrong medication by the people they entrusted with the job. One painful thing is that even though the people realized this and made the key holder plus his watchment aware of need to do better nothing changed. They still continued to take panadol with hope that they will appoint a better keyholder to give them the right prescription.
The status quo was maintained. Despite this they still had pride and hope in the only one thing they had left: the power to hire and fire the key holder. Now they are angry and infuriated. Why? because their only trusted way to control the cabinet and to make decisions about the cabinet i,e, by choosing the key holder has been compromised.
So they have deliberately sided with the second man who apart from wanting to share out the keys also wants the key to the bigger cabinet (human nature).
the question is:. How are these people who are sick going to be handled. Do we continue dispensing panadol and giving them hope that malaria will be cured while we know they may die if their antibodies are not strong enough to deal with plasmodium? How do we get drugs to this people after what you call normalcy when the key holder plus his or her watchmen still wants to maintain status quo?
You know it is not going to be normal when the plasmodiun is stil in the body. Note that some who have celebral malaria are bound to kill the others when the disease explodes. Others will be die of the full blown malaria manifestations.Some out of desperation will turn on others because they feel the others are colluding with the key holders and drug dispensers to continue denying them drugs. SO WHY NOT FIX IT NOW.
The options here are few and actually two:
1.The key holder should genuinely open up the cabinet and establish more points for efficient distribution of drugs to the people regardless of their location in the country. He has not done this what he offers is monopolize the key but appoint more watchmen and fake drug dispensers to continue apeasing the sick and for him to survive the final term.
2.Force the key holder to open up the cabinet give people the right drugs and in the fastest way which should include more small cabinets near the people. Again define stricter rules for the future keyholders and key managers
This will curb further breakouts.
NOTE:
We can't be like the current key holder and pretend to be helping people by calling for normalcy where the situation has not been normalized. Let's think outside the box.
I agree with LSK; STRUCTURES HAVE TO BE CHANGED.
I agree with Human rights Commission: TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED. The people of kenya have to apologize to each other and say that when we did this we were under the attack of malaria. We got the drugs and now are cured and beg for your forgiveness. We will say now that it is guaranteed that we will always have drugs we can live together and break bread together because there is no more threat of celebral malaria that will turn me against you. Neither will one day arise that you will be feeling that we are stopping you from accessing the drugs by supporting the bad key holder. WE WILL LIVE PEACEFULLY EVER AFTER!!!!
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why kibaki
written by Miharati , January 16, 2008
why I support Kibaki:
1. The economy grew from a pathetic 0.2% to an impressive >5% GDP. He might not have been wholly responsible, buy he was an enabler of this growth.
2. Milk - instead of buying milk for my 70 year old mum, I now buy a cow now and then. NEW KCC ensures that income is generated, Trivial but its great to see self-sufficiency where there previously was dependence
3. Roads - I drove from Nairob to Kabarak, the roads were good. From Nanyuki to Nakuru, the roads were good. From Narok to Nairobi, the roads was under repair.
4. Security. Much better. Not perfect, buch much better.

I had empirical evidence of change and performance with Kibaki. On the other side's political leadership, I saw the guy who signed the Goldenberg contracts, I saw the guy who started YK92 and had shadowwy deals with NSSF. Essentially endangaring the livelihoods of all those who had spent their lifetime working. yep, endangaring the retirement of your favorite teacher or that harsh nurse that loved injections.

Just like I am with my money, I decided to invest my vote in a known and proven commodity. Just like in a relationship, I shied away from the drama kings prone to scandalous and suspect decisions. That is why I voted Kibaki? Herd or nerd?
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written by D , January 16, 2008
@ Miharati.. I agree with what you have said. This is not about Kibaki's competence as a leader and what he has achieved. This is about who won the election. Kivuitu said he did not know. At this point, Raila can't say he won either because the ECK said: WE DON'T KNOW.

It is not about who is better BUT WHO majority of Kenyans chose. The best thing to do is to deal with the election. There are other problems that have to be dealt with (inequality, land issues, etc) but the poll should be the first.

Besides, all these gains by Kibaki might become negatives if this crisis is not solved. The country lost a lot of money those first 2 weeks of January. Tourism has taken a serious hit (KLM doesn't even land in Nai anymore.. you have to go through Dar!).

If Kibaki won legitimately, then so be it. But he didn't. One can blame everybody under the sun for this but the point is, things were not free and fair nor is anyone making moves to determine that they were free and fair. Our institutions are not in a position to determine they were free and fair.

God bless Kenya.
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written by D , January 16, 2008
@ Nyabs. Very well said. Most Kenyans are not in a position to just protest all day. Where is the food to put on the table supposed to come from. Kenya is not a 1st world country. A lot of people are poor.

I think both sides (PNU and ODM) are approaching this the wrong way. Both are declaring they are the winner and BOTH ARE WRONG. We do not know who won. Both sides should be pushing to determine who the winner is rather than chest-thumping and talking about "WE WON" or "I AM THE PEOPLE's PRESIDENT"! Very irresponsible rhetoric.

Like Nyabs said, the proper channel would be the courts (see US elections 2000) but the problem is that our courts cannot be trusted. Our institutions have failed us because as Kenyans (leaders and the people), we have not cared enough to strengthen them. We need a new Constitution, period. Change how the executive, judiciary and legislative branches are run!

Let the truth be told: neither side is going to back off. So Kenya will just be in a lull of calmness with skirmishes when demonstrations are called. The government will not allow these demonstrations. And it is the poor who always suffer!

Also, the country will not be run effectively; how can the president lead when the legislative will be going the other way?

I predict the next 5 years will just be a stagnant form of uncertainty and instability unless our leaders change how they approach the problem
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Explanation
written by Jandege , January 16, 2008
Alexander,

The 470000 votes are grand sum of Kibaki's votes in excess of the grand sum of all the parliamentary aspirants where kibaki won in his strongholds, remember Molo, Kieni, Nithi.

(Edited)
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written by Miharati , January 16, 2008
@D..I agree, the goal should be to establish strong national institutions. I think it is a blessing in disguise that we have an ODM parliament and a PNU president. With this current scenarion, it is possible to break the culture of extreme allegiance to a PERSON and not to the NATION as our pledge of loyalty teaches us.
Do I agree that the presidential powers need reduction? yes
Do I agree that the appointment of judges needs vetting? Yes
Do I agree that our election process needs revision? Yes
But having Raila or Kibaki as president does not address this. I think we should move past the who won and who did not because IMO, the issue should be decided by a court. However, the party that feels aggrieved (ODM)has already declared the courts skewed.So what to do? If Kibaki were to resign, would he not have served his maximum 2 terms?

Should we not be focusing on how to fix these ISSUES instead of WHO occupies State House?
Should the MPs not be talking to the people and promising a revolution in parliament and not on the streets? This way the PEOPLE'S REPRESENTATIVES can be held accountable. If we can trust the MPs to declare war against foreign nations when we are under immediate and emminent threat why can the MPs not sign up to address pestering issues with well thought out strategy and debate instead with of hoodwinking people while the blood of women and children flows on the streets.

I elected my MP to "improve my welfare". Right now, he/she needs to be working very hard at that. Improving my welfare is not me worrying about whether some machete-wielding goon is outside my mother's house.

BTW, if Raila were to be president, and he would have been about 3 weeks in parliament, what would have been better in Kibera or Eldoret or Molo?
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@ Miharati. I agree with what you are saying. .

What do you think? What can be done? A government of national unity (as proposed by the US) is not the answer. The 2 sides clearly do not trust each other. I doubt there can even be a temporary power-sharing government.

A re-election? When pigs fly. Kibaki resigning? I doubt it.


My opinion is still mixed with the outcome of a PNU presidency and ODM Legislature. Don't get me wrong.. I have hope for Parliament but I think it will just fall down to partisan politics i.e. if so-and-so party want this, we will go the other way. It would be great to see them come together and help strengthen those weaknesses as you noted in your post.

Do you think Raila should continue to hold these "peaceful demonstrations"? I would prefer, like you said, for this to be played out democratically or in Parliament. Peaceful demos are an instrument of democracy (right to assembly) but they have been banned. At the end of the day, people still need to work to feed their children, who also need to go to school.
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This is wrong! - link
written by Juma Khamis , January 17, 2008
Click on the link for a video on the terrible police action on a protester in the lakeside city of Kisumu.
Link

(Excellent contribution - thank you for linking to the full clip version, because other versions on the 'Net have been disingenuously edited. Ed.)
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written by observer , January 17, 2008
A recount or rerun might produce the same or different results but it will be of no use if we dont address fundamental issues of resource allocation which is at the center of the bitterly contested elections. To that effect we should heed the words of Nelson Mandela when he said

Mass action of any kind will not create resources that the government does not have. All of us must rid ourselves of the wrong notion that the government has a big bag full of money....We must rid ourselves of the culture of entitlement which leads to the expectation that the government must promptly deliver whatever it is we demand. - Nelson Mandela
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Do you remember me?
written by Boby , January 17, 2008
I am that man stuck in the Northern part of Kenya, dangerously living well beneath my means, have you Okech, Okello, Kamau and Njuguna forgotten me. I am that Kenyan that falls under Misc. No one is paying any attention to ME or to My Dying Family. For days now everything has gone to waste. I have run out resources to feed my family but I still HAVE FREE INTERNET, WHAT A Resource to have. I no longer have the ability to trust in my Government. I voted for you Raila why have you seriously forgotten me.
Am I not as important to you as your QUEST for the HIGH chair, open the roads, reduce the basic prices of materials, I NEED TO GO BACK TO WORK. I am sick and tired of everyone focusing on the two tribes. We too are Kenyans. Why don't the both of you head to the desert and fight it out.

I want to rant and rave forever but I know most of you are only interested in reading the messages calling for some action. Most of you have no idea what the rest of us are going through. So listen to me Raila and Kibaki, I don't have to be in a war to suffer.

NOW PUT THAT ON YOUR Conscious
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re: why kibaki
written by Koitalel , January 17, 2008
why I support Kibaki:
1. The economy grew from a pathetic 0.2% to an impressive >5% GDP. He might not have been wholly responsible, buy he was an enabler of this growth.
2. Milk - instead of buying milk for my 70 year old mum, I now buy a cow now and then. NEW KCC ensures that income is generated, Trivial but its great to see self-sufficiency where there previously was dependence
3. Roads - I drove from Nairob to Kabarak, the roads were good. From Nanyuki to Nakuru, the roads were good. From Narok to Nairobi, the roads was under repair.
4. Security. Much better. Not perfect, buch much better.

I had empirical evidence of change and performance with Kibaki. On the other side's political leadership, I saw the guy who signed the Goldenberg contracts, I saw the guy who started YK92 and had shadowwy deals with NSSF. Essentially endangaring the livelihoods of all those who had spent their lifetime working. yep, endangaring the retirement of your favorite teacher or that harsh nurse that loved injections.

Just like I am with my money, I decided to invest my vote in a known and proven commodity. Just like in a relationship, I shied away from the drama kings prone to scandalous and suspect decisions. That is why I voted Kibaki? Herd or nerd?
why I support Kibaki:
1. The economy grew from a pathetic 0.2% to an impressive >5% GDP. He might not have been wholly responsible, buy he was an enabler of this growth.
2. Milk - instead of buying milk for my 70 year old mum, I now buy a cow now and then. NEW KCC ensures that income is generated, Trivial but its great to see self-sufficiency where there previously was dependence
3. Roads - I drove from Nairob to Kabarak, the roads were good. From Nanyuki to Nakuru, the roads were good. From Narok to Nairobi, the roads was under repair.
4. Security. Much better. Not perfect, buch much better.

I had empirical evidence of change and performance with Kibaki. On the other side's political leadership, I saw the guy who signed the Goldenberg contracts, I saw the guy who started YK92 and had shadowwy deals with NSSF. Essentially endangaring the livelihoods of all those who had spent their lifetime working. yep, endangaring the retirement of your favorite teacher or that harsh nurse that loved injections


YES. you are wrong if you think our people who voted for RAILA NEVER REALLY KNEW WHAT kIBAKI HAD DONE. They voted for change, for some one they can trust, for some one humble enough to understand the plight of an entire community sacked from government jobs, dispossesed of their land- after independence, our land was allocated to strangers and a community oppressed for the last five years. That is why we vote the way we vote. it is the only way we can redeem and emancipate ourselves peacefully.......
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written by manta ray , January 17, 2008
Koitalel, in essence you voted for Raila so you could bring back the good old Moi days. That is the gist of your message.However, i have a few questions for you.Pls sample the bold text:


YES. you are wrong if you think our people who voted for RAILA NEVER REALLY KNEW WHAT kIBAKI HAD DONE. They voted for change, for some one they can trust,

Someone they could trust to do what?

for some one humble enough to understand the plight of an entire community sacked from government jobs,

What was an "entire community" doing being employed? How was that made possible?

dispossesed of their land- after independence,


Speak the truth. Dispossession started from when your namesake was gunned by Colonel Meinertzhagen in 1902.


our land was allocated to strangers and a community oppressed for the last five years.

Are you sure the allocations did not start in 1902 after Koitalel arap Samoei was gunned down by the British? What about allocations in the 1920s,1930s, 1940s? Do they not count, or your people donated the land out of the goodness of their hearts? How was the community oppressed in the last five years? By not being given special favours as in the Moi days? Please give specifics.


That is why we vote the way we vote.it is the only way we can redeem and emancipate ourselves peacefully.

Is that why you resorted to ethnic cleansing AFTER you voted? How does burning helpless children alive in a church help your cause? Do you think it makes you look fierce and brave?
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written by Koitalel , January 17, 2008
Koitalel, in essence you voted for Raila so you could bring back the good old Moi days. That is the gist of your message.


Manta Ray, majority of our people who were employed, because of blatant arrogance of the powers that be, were sacked left, rigth and centre and were treated like second class citizens.

There were no good times during the time of Moi, that is why Moi is bearing the brunt of the RV people for misleading them for a very long time for his own selfish reasons.

"Is that why you resorted to ethnic cleansing AFTER you voted? How does burning helpless children alive in a church help your cause? Do you think it makes you look fierce and brave?"
That doesnt make people brave in anyway but such a reaction should have been expected and it shows how far people will go to figth for their rigths.

Again, on the land issue, when the colonialistsleft, Kenyatta, using an aloof Moi, allocated the prime agricultural areas in the RV for free, whereas our people were not allocated. We still refer them as alien occupiers and if ou want a global example of the RV you take a look at what is happening in the middle east.

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A *real* history of land probl
written by aeichener , January 17, 2008

Again, on the land issue, when the colonialists left, Kenyatta, using an aloof Moi, allocated the prime agricultural areas in the RV for free, whereas our people were not allocated. We still refer them as alien occupiers and if ou want a global example of the RV you take a look at what is happening in the middle east.


This however is an incorrect - but excusable, because widespread - rendering of the real historical events.

I do not want to go before the two large Bantu migrations, nor before the Luo wandering; strictly speaking, more than 99 % of all Kenyans are latecomer colonalists who took land by number or force from teh original inhabitants, of kenya's first nations.

Let us only go 100 years back. The racist and arrogant Maasai land robbers (these negative adjective are not attributed to the individuals, so many of whom happily and amenably intermarried with Agikuyu women, but to the dominant ideology of their ethnia, similar to the later white colonizers and their nearly identical ideological agenda of superiority) had only rather recently arrived, and were satisfied with some kind of nominal suzerainty by virtue of race and force.

The Rift Valley at that time was an area of mixed settlement. Many Agikuyu had spread there before from their core settlement areas - RV was much less densely settled between 1900 and say 1950 than it is today - and peacefully lived and interacted with and in between Kalenjin, Luhja, Sabaot, ad many other ethnia.

It was only in the 1930s and especially 1940 that the effects of colonial agricultural economy (can you say "wattle bark"? can you say "tea"? can you say "pyrethrum"?) effected some additional labour migration of Agikuyu and Abagusii workers (labourers) to the latifundia of the Rift Valley. This migration did however *not* result in any displacement of previous inhabitants, with the exception of the poor Ogiek and Sengwer (their related antecessors in Nyanza had already been attacked and wiped out by the immigrating Luo ethnia between 1600 and about 1850).

Now, and that is the important point, the first displacement of many tens of thousands in Agikuyu from Rift Valley and Uasin Gishu took place during the Emergency (manjeneti). The colonial powers for "security reasons" relocated them from their diasporic settlement areas to the narrow and soon overcrowded "native reserves" of their core settlement areas, e.g. Nyeri. A vast army of Agikuyu people went through colonial IDP and clearing camps, in order to be shuffled and replaced cruelly to wherever Master Mzungu saw a fitting spot.

After emergency, many came back and resettled in their former homesteads. The local beneficiaries of these first forced displacements in the 1950s of course conveniently forgot that the Agikuyu had been there before, and tried to declare and brand them as "new arrivals". Here we now see one root of the 1992 conflict and of the present conflict.

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written by aeichener , January 17, 2008
Mr Koitalel,

7. You say that "when the colonialists left, Kenyatta, using an aloof Moi, allocated the prime agricultural areas in the RV for free, whereas our people were not allocated". You are dead wrong there.


(Stop seeking a scape-goat, and trying to re-direct (and even freshly kindle) tribal or racial hatred, instead of quashing it. Ed.)

Or is it that it is easier to bully poor Kikuyu peasants who have 2 or 3 acres?
How is it your fellow Africans are viewed as alien occupiers but European settlers are not?


Both (and we may include Asians too) were alien occupiers at first, both got more or less dirty hands, both have a right of homeland now and are all properly called fellow Kenyans.

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written by manta ray , January 17, 2008
Koitalel, in essence you voted for Raila so you could bring back the good old Moi days. That is the gist of your message.


Manta Ray, majority of our people who were employed, because of blatant arrogance of the powers that be, were sacked left, rigth and centre and were treated like second class citizens.

There were no good times during the time of Moi, that is why Moi is bearing the brunt of the RV people for misleading them for a very long time for his own selfish reasons.

"Is that why you resorted to ethnic cleansing AFTER you voted? How does burning helpless children alive in a church help your cause? Do you think it makes you look fierce and brave?"
That doesnt make people brave in anyway but such a reaction should have been expected and it shows how far people will go to figth for their rigths.

Again, on the land issue, when the colonialistsleft, Kenyatta, using an aloof Moi, allocated the prime agricultural areas in the RV for free, whereas our people were not allocated. We still refer them as alien occupiers and if ou want a global example of the RV you take a look at what is happening in the middle east.



Mr Koitalel,

1. Moi employed Kalenjins left, right and Centre AT THE EXPENSE of other Kenyans. Telkom Kenya had 2000 drivers, ALL Kalenjins!

2. Kalenjins employed in Govt used their closeness to the powers that be to intimidate other Kenyans and even their own bosses from other communities.

3. It is an open secret that Kalenjins in Govt employment were largely unqualified for the powerful positions they held.

4. These are the same people who used to be given Bank loans which they never paid, causing Banks like KCB and National Bank to become completely unprofitable. These Banks were essentially cash cows for favoured Kalenjins and their friends.

5. In the above circumstances, Kibaki had no choice but to sack and send home unproductive people if he was going to revive the Kenyan economy. The fact that most of the sacked employees happened to be Kalenjin was just tough luck. It had to be done.

6. You still haven`t answered my question. How does burning helpless children alive in a church help your cause?

7. You say that "when the colonialists left, Kenyatta, using an aloof Moi, allocated the prime agricultural areas in the RV for free, whereas our people were not allocated". You are dead wrong there. The fact is that the colonialists never left! (...)

(Racism deleted. You can express the same poignant argument neutrally without racism,so just try harder. Ed.)

Or is it that it is easier to bully poor Kikuyu peasants who have 2 or 3 acres?
How is it your fellow Africans are viewed as alien occupiers but European settlers are not?

You need to understand what it is to be a Kenyan and a patriot before you go off half-cocked to talk about fighting for so called rights.
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written by Kobangoshe , January 17, 2008
Kenyans, and I mean real Kenyans and not the Kenyans Raila Odinga and William Ruto represent and direct to loot, kill and destroy property. These true Kenyans are deeply horrified by the events of violence visited on innocent people who's only role was to vote for candidates of their choice. It really does not matter who the president of Kenya is today. It's the ordinary Kenyans, especially in the lower strata of the social economic pyramid who suffer most. Killing of women and children enmass is culturally disgusting and cursed.

I am of the opinion that both the Raila and the Kibaki camps rigged the elections. I am also of a strong view that Eurpean Commission observers have done more harm than good for presenting just 2 out the 210 constituencies. They have particularly taken advantage of their status and mislead their counterparts in the bilateral world, particularly the US and the UK, and to a lesser extent the Germans. The countries have by and large expressed their position and taken sides based on what EC observers have reported.

The questions I have do not seem to have bothered both the US and UK in particular, who made it their business to make misplaced demands on Kenya's leadership of how theu would like to see the conflict between Kibaki and Raila. They have prescribed a government of national unity, and Kibaki has indicated his mind is clear and open on the issue. Raila on the other hand has couterdemanded Kibaki steps down, and he assumes he will step up into position of head of state, i.e. President. He imagines it would be a swap of places, just as simple as that. He draws his imagination from jungle law, that has no place in Kenya. The talks between the two rival groups are definitely critical and they ought to have taken place by now. There should be no preset conditions to the talks except that violence needs to stop forthwith everwhere in the country. These talks should be held in a sober atmosphere and they should be guided by an agenda that looks into seeking a way forward and implementation of the agreed plan. This is not time for blame and counter blame game.

Rigging not withstanding, both Kibaki and Raila hae to realize that, we the people of Kenya as citizens feel we have been let down by our institutions of elections and political parties. Rigging in Nyanza, where Raila hails from was methodically done and up front. Voters in line waiting or their turn to cast their voice for thecoosen candidates were asked to hand in their election cards to Raila's men, who were collecting the cards, indicating that they would cast the votes on the people's behalf. Voters were therefore asked to return home. In simple terms, marking of ballot papers in favor of Raila had been done and completed. The ECK officials overseeing the elections know very well how they were compromised in these areas. Bondo, Nyatike, Muhoroni, Nyakach, Ndhiwa, Rarieda, Rongo you name it. All the political party agents, other than ODM's were denied entry in the voting halls. Some had even been killed a day before the elections started, while others were threatened and had to abandon the idea of being agents for rival political parties. The so called local and international political observers looked the other way, when all that was going on. Some of the ODM funs were wearing T-Shirts for rival political parties purpoting to be agents of these other parties, particularly the PNU and ODM-K. Is that a free and fair and flawless election process? I leave it to you to decide.

When results were coming through, it is Raila's stronghold areas that came in first. The job had been neatly done and quickly. There were no points of doubt until in some cases the percentage turn out was read out. It ranged from 83% to 96%, and that is when doubts began to appear on people's faces as the Electoral Commissioners read the results. At one point one of the Commisioners, remarked that these percentages were sort of strange. How would it happen Ndhiwa would have 93.6% turn out, implying almost all the resgistered voters managed to come out and vote. That's is definitely suspicious. Given the malaria and HIV/AIDS impact in the region, it was impossible to be so creative and get away with it. Where were the EU observers, when this was going on?

In this regard, Kibaki's team was down 9 out of 10. Sooner than they realized what damage ODM had done, they devised a way of working out their numbers too. They did it in a hurry out of panic nnd blew their own whistle. That is the Molo and Maragwa incidences. However, the fact that Kibaki's count was rising steadily and fast, was itself not as a result of rigging. The fact is that all of the Meru based constituencies and part of central Kenya constituencies had their results delayed and were streaming in fast at the tail end. That is what cause Kibaki's tally to outpass Raila, causing panic in Raila's camp and party. Sooner or later, the looting and fracas was unleashed by his supporters targeting Kikuyu and Kisii ethnic groups for suspicion that they voted for Kibaki. These two ethnic groups in Kisumu, Eldoret and Nairobu slums were hacked to death one after the other and their homes and property looted and burned. The climax was the burning of a church in which women and children numbering 35 were sheltered in refuge, a sanctuary, where no sane person would dare torch. God's curse unto Ruto and Raila will haunt them and their children all the years.

So where were the election observers in all this mess? Their fellow brothers and sister retrned to take pictures and gather news as BBC, AP, Reuters and CNN reporters. They have been relaying negative stories ever since on Kenya and interviewing Raila, Ruto and Anyang Nyong as if the other side does not exist.
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written by pndiangui , January 17, 2008
Land in RV was not allocated for free after the colonialists left. I took a detailed research from several older generations who had bought farms in Rift Valley and also in Central Province 'white highlands' before I left the country (Kenya) last week. Basically if there are aggrieved parties due to the way Kenyatta handled the issue of land post the colonial era the sons and daughters of 'freedom fighters' like myself would also go burning buildings and children in Nyeri or whichever area my anger would take me. Let me reiterate that this is still a major bone of contention in central Kenya and has been cited as one of the major reasons that the dreadful Mungiki keeps propping up.
Actually if we were to revert to the 'original owners' of certain parts of our country, we might as well chase everyone with bows and arrows from Nairobi and leave only the Maasai. A cultural group which is basically what I define as a 'tribe' that speaks a dialect known as Gikuyu and which used to believe of a God who lived in Kirinyaga, who founder had 8 daughters and used to live in some place in Muranga (according to the traditional myths), shouldnt be allowed to move past Nyeri's Chania river. The Maasai should then re-occupy this land, all the way to Nanyuki, Nyahururu etc etc. They are 'aliens' in these areas according to your analysis of who an alien is. Probably even in the areas where I am currently deriving my daily bread from, 5th generation Britons who acquired land for free should be chased away and left for the Aborigines, or shouldn't we do the same to the nth generation in the United states and hand over this land to American Indians?
My point? When the Mau Mau went to war with the Britons, many were promised large tracts from the white highlands on achievement of independence. However, when Kenyatta took over, he was perceived to have reneged on this promise. He actually asked for payments for the land through cash and government loans which people are still paying off to this day. Land was going for between Ksh. 60 to Ksh. 1,000 an acre in the 'White highlands' , not putting into consideration inflation and the valuation of the shilling through-out the years.
Why the sons and daughters of the Mau Mau would also complain so bitterly, is because, even with these prices only those who had been working in the colonial era would afford to buy the tracts of land. Ironically those who had been working and those who acquired these pieces of land were the most educated by the standards of this time, colonial African soldiers (KAR) including village guards, who were basically the ones who had humiliated Kenyatta and the Mau Mau for a long time. Also able to afford land were cooks, other 'white highlands' and colonial Government workers. This kind of scenario has repeated itself in many other African countries, during post-independence times. Essentially, those who sat out the struggle, those who collaborated with the system were then best placed to take advantage of the spoils from the victory.
Back to our case, the second generation of land acquisition in Rift valley; Societies/cooperative movements were formed in central Kenya, to help the acquisition of land since people felt what was left after the former colonial land had been allocated to families and the rest sold to them, wasnҒt enough to engage in farming activities. These were the famous 'Ngwataniro Mutukanio'. Many 'peasant' people from Nyeri and Kiambu bought shares in these land buying companies. Some lost and others got allocations.The third generation of aliens as described in articles and comments elsewhere here, actually bought land from the very 'original' dwellers of the Rift Valley.

When President Moi ascended to State House, for 24 years, while some of the current crop of leaders who have been agitating for change formed his inner circle only pulled out this card, naming other Kenyans alien to the Rift Valley, when the multi-party era begun. Sad but looking at the ODM's election strategy paper, it mirrors Moi's election strategy in the Rift Valley region. They focused at length on the 'Kikuyu alienation' strategy.

Really considering that every opposition party is actually a government-in-waiting, is there really any basis for trust in an opposition party, that it can in a fractious country like ours promote a healing when it champions the view that some communities are alien to parts of our country? Will it promote any economic development using these historical 'injustice' claims selectively to score some political points?

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written by D , January 17, 2008
@ Kobangoshe. Part of your analysis just confirms what Kivuitu (why hasn't he resigned?) said: I don't know who won.

Neither side can claim that they won or that they are the people's president. Neither side has legitimacy and in my opinion, neither deserves to be lead this beautiful country of ours.

Irony: while both side are hard-talking, chest-thumping and baying at each other, they still find time to hug and laugh at the conclusion of Tuesday's Parliamentary session. Yet, the words help spur the chaos in some parts of the country.

And back to the original article, there is nothing non-violent about what has been happening the last days (and inevitably, tomorrow) despite the "peaceful demonstrations" label. Don't get me wrong, I support the Kenyan right to protest but what are we protesting for? To put Raila in power? To have Kibaki step down? Neither is going to happen anytime soon. We should be protesting against the injustice, against the police brutality, against both leaders, against our weak institutions, to remember the innocents that have lost their lives, to help those displaced. But we are clearly not. We need to be sober.

Our leaders cannot call for peace when themselves cannot even sit at the same table. What kind of example are they setting?
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written by Stephen Wainaina , January 17, 2008
The Eldoret attack was not the climax, and it is not just Kikuyus. Look at this report on the murder of 40 Kisiis at a UniLever Tea Estate in Kaptein.

There are massive attacks on the Akamba too across the country.

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I keep reading that the PNU is afraid of fresh elections, are they really? One would argue that with the ODM having recruited for them repeatedly, the PNU now has the solid backing of the vast majority of Kenyans.
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written by a guest , January 17, 2008
Kenyatta and the Kikuyu elite share blame and responsibility for settling these wretched (now landless) Kikuyu poor.

All the angst of the dispossessed Kikuyu poor should be turned against those most responsible for their calamity: the Kenyattas, Kibakis, Michukis and other members of the ravenously greedy and aggrandizing Kikuyu landed gentry who stole most of their land.

In Gatundu, Dagoretti, and Thika, the Kenyattas own huge chunks of land they acquired illegaly. If carved up and parceled out, the Kenyattas alone could easily resettle ten thousand or so of their poorest Kikuyu brothers and sisters. In Taita-Taveta, the Kenyattas own 200,000 acres of land that they stole. Here the landless Taitas and Tavetas should be settled.

Likewise Kibaki, like other members of the Kikuyu gentry, acquired through the same dubious means vast tracts of land in Naro Moru, the Coast and in the Rift Valley.

Has anyone ever inquired how all these Kenyattas, Kibakis, Michukis et al, aacquired these vast acreages of land?

They stole it from you and me.

Settle your landless people Messrs. Kibaki, Kenyatta and Michuki.
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Who won?
written by Wuod Aketch , January 17, 2008
The way things are now, nobody cares who won the elections. Kibaki should just resign so that we have new elections. ECK does not know who won, this admission only means that Kibaki cannot be president. ODM and Raila have been asking for re-election since the beginning. Why wait for the country to reach upto a point of no return? I do not see any other way out. People will continue dying and we may even end up having the army taking over.
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written by D , January 17, 2008
But if Kibaki resigns, doesn't it mean he is constitutionally barred from running since he has already been sworn in for a 2nd consecutive term? Or am I wrong?

Kibaki is not going to resign. I just don't see it. But at this point, nothing would surprise me...

But let us say there is a re-election (maybe in 6 months time).. would Raila win? Or Kibaki? I predict that turnout would be extremely low..
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No, he wouldn't be barred. A re-election would mean that the 2007 election has been voided. Calling for a re-election would be admission to irregularities.
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But if Kibaki resigns, doesn't it mean he is constitutionally barred from running since he has already been sworn in for a 2nd consecutive term? Or am I wrong?

Kibaki is not going to resign. I just don't see it. But at this point, nothing would surprise me...

But let us say there is a re-election (maybe in 6 months time).. would Raila win? Or Kibaki? I predict that turnout would be extremely low..


Thats why the bomas draft needs to be re-introduced as they way forward and make a one time constitutional exception for Kibaki
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Elections are rigged
written by cogni , January 18, 2008
Any rerun of the elections is already prerigged by odm violence. In Nyanza, parts of the Riftvalley and coast suspected Kibaki supporters have been ethnically cleansed and are living in refugee camps. This dictates that any rerun of the election would be unfair and would probably be plagued by violence.

Until the displaced have been returned to their homes and are secure enough to vote freel any election would be a sham and areward to the perpetrators of the genocidal ethnic cleansing.

The displaced and dispossesed should be our first priority. Justice for those who were killed their houses burnt and their property looted. These Kenyans have suffered the greatest injustice. The impunity with which this ethnic killings are carried out must end. If the government won't go after the killers, lawyers of goodwill should help the victims of this violence sue the odm bigwigs who are rtesponsible for inciting and in some cases planning the violence. Let Raila's billions be seized to compensate the victims of his orgy of violence.
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written by dalani , January 18, 2008
Holding new elections would settle all the disputes and contention?? I think a coalition is a better choice..


Is ODM going to keep holding protests and silly press conferences to please BBC journalists and give them film footage of government forces throwing tear gas???

Many countries once in while vote in a fool no one agrees with but you don't see them burn down their own cities for that..
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Let\'s Face It
written by Tsunami , January 18, 2008
If this is not called wallowing in the realms of deepest negative fancy then i would say some have had mind trips and have lost connection with the common perceiving senses.
Eyes they have but they don't see, ears they have but have refused to hear, minds they have but they have put them under curfew to ignore reality. Yeah, ignore reality and think only on the best way to unleash propaganda to protect their embattled hero(s).
A notable thing is that you seem to agree with EU that there were indeed problems. Your only short coming is that you've become economical with truth and have resorted to play like Dr. Mutua. I'm almost beginning to believe that you have been reviewing his speeches and have decided to reproduce it in a forum of liberal minded and high thinkers.
You know the reason why i like the whiteman, if you are wrong he tells you straight on. Some of us want to act like Mutua and deceive us by saying things like these are normal issues that have been dealt with be the govt e.t.c. We have media and some we catch live even though the press is gagged.
I know the reason you hate me is that i like helping you when you are stuck with facts.

Courtesy of Kivuitu:
You know that EU advised ECK to sort out anomalies in the tallying process plus other irregularities before releasing the results.
You talk of two consituencies, what about the 48 given by ECK to have been shortlisted as having disrepancies. I don't care whether they were ODM's or PNU's or ODMK's.
You and me were not in the tallying center but please, try forcing your brain to remember - however painful it may be to you - a press conference by the four commissioners of the ECK.
It may be too much on you but recall KIVUITU who was on the hot sit is in record to have said that there were problems and called for independent body to investigate and advise.
Further still, Kuvuitu disowned results published in the papers using his name. Men it must have been too much for this Mzee not to close his eyes on it.
Something else, there were other observers from different african countries. Do you recall what the observer from south africa said: there were numerous problems!!!!

Now on the villains-ODM. Do you remember Ruto and pentagon pleading with Kivuitu to sort out key and pertinent issues that were raised before announcing the winner?
Do you remember that Molo results came after the 48 shortlisted constituencies had been given. Its announcement just served to confirm that things were not right. This was shortly before Kivuitu announced results?
I remember that initially Raila had this hardline stance that kibaki should step down. But this he later changed and I persistently heard Raila - after softening his stance - saying it openly in the various interviews that he was ready to participate in a coalition government to change to facilitate a reconstitution of ECK, redefinition of electoral code of conduct and change of constitution. After three months a rerun of elections be done. What a beatiful way to have a lasting solution to kenyan problems. But popular Kibaki could not accept this. I wonder why a popular person should suffer from re-run-phobia on a level ground and instead order shoot to kill against demonstrators.
I know now you'll defend him on this like Kiraithe- police spokesman glorifying the police who shot a fleeing man and promoting him to the rank of RAMBO in silvester stallones movies.

A challenge to you is, yes Raila is a villain according to your courts, but can you show me statemanship and leadership in Kibaki.
It is more than obvious that the only people who feel there was no problem are the PNU and ODMK supporters.
They can close their eyes to all the other things that happened, thump their chests of winning clean and after that open up their mouths and start blowing propaganda trumpets.
This is not forum of simpletons neither is it a gathering of uninformed blockheads so stop this peddling of deliberately truncated and mutilated replays.
REMEMBER TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!!!!
This guy you call a statesman in statehouse has not given direction to the nation on how to handle the issue. The only thing he feels he should do is unleash police against people instead of addressing the problem.
I can assist you argue for this and say there was and is violence which had and has to be tamed. But remember there was a week of peace, how could he not take advantage of it to give people leadership in the problem? A true leader needs less than a week to give direction in a crisis. The only direction we have in Kenya today is that if you participate in an unlawful assembly you will be dealt with with the most brutal force because their is a government in place.
Before Kibaki's stay in office is legitimized through re-election or otherwise, he still remains an imposter. You know very well that an imposter can't be entrusted with money that's why I back up EU and the rest to withdraw. I wish i had ways of stopping to pay taxes now, I would do so immediately because even I can't deliberately entrust an imposter with my cash.
So whether you choose to be partisan and attack EU and other observers for telling the truth or choose to take the bull by its horns and tame it is upto to you. Long live EU Long Live America.

You must not forget that A HOLY INSTITUTION OF PEOPLE POWER HAS BEEN COMPROMISED. Electoral commission has been mutilated and its nakedness exposed both to the local who pledge allegiance to it and international community.
This instution is above all other in all countries and everywhere in the world where it has been disrespected you know what has always happened. Kenyan is just like the rest of the countries that tried deliberately tampering with it when it had reached maturity. Before we even talk of constitutional reform honour has to be restored to the people of kenya. The torn garments have to be completely removed and new attire more honorable replaced. Rules should be put in place to protect it from further compromise.

REMEMBER
Kibaki and Raila are not talking to each other so who is going to sort out the problem. Raila is ready for a rerun Kibaki is not who should be given pressure to help end the stalemate. He can't go to Kibaki court because the ruling is obvious.
Before we operationalize our institutions we shall always be given direction by the west whether you like it or not. Do you expect them to sit back and watch the country degenerate to a situation like Ruanda because some individual are abusing democracy.
France was blamed for this by the Rwandese who said that instead of France helping them they took their people and moved out. Britain is not ready to bear such a blame that is why they try to put positive pressure for a resolution of the problem by addressing the root cause the polls.

QUESTION
Can all these people be wrong?
1. EU-Elections flawed
2. African Observers-Elections flawed
3. LSK- Elections flawed. Gave empirical info. Agreed that institutional change is mandatory and a rerun
4. HRCK- Kiai; elections flawed, pressed for delay of result announcement, institutional change, truth reconcilliation.
5. Churches- there was a problem with tallying
6. Me
7. Demostrating kenyans
the list continues
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written by Thunder , January 18, 2008
dr. phil
You want to know who a sub human is: this man who robs you in broad day light and after that he and family gang up to say that they genuinely bought your item. If you protest they kill because they all arms.
Infact if it were that those people in state house were not rich - of course through the money they stole from us when we were trying to play clean- by now they would have been felled by bullets for robbery with violence. It seems to you people, heroes are those who steal successfully even if there are casualties in the event.
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written by dalani , January 18, 2008
once again a coalition government seems like a good choice
reason 1: it would bring the issues from the streets into parliament where it can be debated while Kenyans can go about rebuilding their lives..
reason 2: sharing of power would call any Kibaki or ODM's bluffing: if they truly care about Kenyan they would give the notion some serious thought and even agree to some form of coalition governance.
As D said, if their rhetoric serves only to fuel violence then we will know who is bluffing. SO ar it appears ODM is using the poor o forward its own claim to power at their expense. A call to form a coalition goverment would reveal the truth of who is who.
reason 3: it would show the world Kenyans can unite and attend to more serious issues. the costs of not doing so is staggering losses to lives irreplaceable.
reason 4:It would render moot any debate that the vote was inaccurate, indicative, flawed or not. The protests have served their purpose now any more would be provocation to more trouble.
reason 5: Kenya would not have the monumental effort of having to hold new and expensive elections.
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written by D , January 18, 2008
For anyone to claim that Kibaki won this election legitimately is in denial. The same goes to Raila. It was not determined that he won either.
ECK SAID: WE DON'T KNOW. As far as I am concerned, the 2007 elections did not produce a winner. There was rigging, period. How much? I don't know. And who is to say that it was only one side that did it? We can blame everyone under the sun for this. But as Kenyans we have to start dealing with facts.

Does this not concern the government? They have a problem of legitimacy and credibility. People are not just talking about cutting aid to Kenya for fun. Tutu, Frazer,Kufuor, Machel, Mkapa, Kaunda and whoever the else is sent in is not coming " to drink tea." This election was a sham. And quite honestly, this crisis will not go away unless EVERYBODY addresses it.

Everyone and their mother, both locally and abroad, have written all kinds of article about Kenya's tribes, our history, colonization, economic and social issues, our constitution, etc, etc until they are blue in the face.

We cannot solve anything unless we are all honest and come together as Kenyans. Stop all this tribal insults and let us get serious. To keep on blaming each other means we are failing our fellow Kenyans that are suffering, hurt and displaced and those innocents that lost their lives.

Let us tell the truth: this election was a disgrace. This cannot be denied. It was not free and fair. And, honestly, Kenyans do not know who won. Nor can it be proved. Ordinarily, we are supposed to pull an America (a la 2000) and go to court. I think it is embarassing that our courts have no legitimacy or independence and cannot be trusted to find the truth and provide a solution.

It also amazes me that the ECK seems to be getting off very easily in people's discussions. It has just been ODM did this and PNU did that. These fools in the commission TOOK AN OATH! Considering how close this election was and how sensitive people were this time around, they should have known better. They don't even have the morals to resign.

Close elections are not something new. Kenya is not the first country to have a close election. There is no reason to commit violence to prove a point. When you hurt another Kenyan, you hurt yourself.

What will happen next? Well until both sides sit down with a mediator and form a coalition, these demonstrations will continue. But who will crack first? Will Kenyans get tired of being tear-gassed and shot? Will the police get tired themselves? Does the economy need to start collapsing? Do we need to reach such a point.. COME ON, KENYA!!!!
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Thank you D
written by Amir Ibrahim , January 18, 2008
Dear D
If I was not so passionately against Raila Odinga, if I did not see him as a threat to everything that is good for Kenya and for Kenyans, especially the poor, then I would I suppose take your line. It is the responsible line, and the one that we must push as Kenyans, the one we must all try to come together at.

As regards the ECK. I think you are being very harsh. Put yourself in Kivuitu's shoes. Did you watch the videos, with him there shocked at the extreme results from Nyanza? Do you remember that programme on KTN where Kivutha Kibwana reported to him that it was proving impossible to get government agents for parts of Nyanza and the RVP?
Do you remember that Kivuitu was at first under so much pressure from ODM to announce for Raila, so much so that Musalia even released a statement announcing Raila had won? The ODM completely usurped the man's office!

I am not sure what he could do given the circumstances, announcing the result either way would have led to rejection by the other side, and a delay in announcements would have meant that the riots and looting would have persisted with no one wielding true national authority and with us having two presidents. Please note also, that once it became clear to Kivuitu that both sides had rigged, there was no use recounting votes, or re-tallying from the electoral forms as these had obviously been tampered with. He explained this when Martha Karua (Gichugu PNU) asked him about re-tallying all constituencies across the country.
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written by pndiangui , January 18, 2008
Just for the sake of questioning, can we also question the source of land wealth of the ODM elites? Raila's Molusses plant, Ruto's NSSF land? Ntimama's tracts of land? etc etc?

But again quoting Nelson Mandela; "It is what we make of what we have, not what we are given that seperates one person from another"

If we really want to find out the motivations of members of the community that speaks a dielect known as Gikuyu in their aggresive land acquisition (and am not talking about political elites) , then we need to have a good grasp Anthropologically of the organisational structures, cultural and spiritual beliefs of this community even before the colonialists set foot in this country. According to documented Anthropological studies, To Agikuyu's, land is sacred. The strong attachment to land culturally, the emotional value of land makes even the very known as 'peasants' from this community pursue land ownership religiously. Tilling which translates to work was a kind of definative of the identity of a Mugikuyu.This community believed the fruits of work as a means of achieving piece and harmony. Laziness was regarded as a socila evil. This is the single most cultural motivation that has lead to this community expansive acquisition of land rather than any perceived help from their corrupt godfathers. Infact I am of the view the stole more from the community members than benefitting them.
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written by Jessy , January 18, 2008
once again a coalition government seems like a good choice
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reason 2: sharing of power would call any Kibaki or ODM's bluffing: if they truly care about Kenyan they would give the notion some serious thought and even agree to some form of coalition governance.

(...)
Kibaki is not one to trust. Remember the M.O.U saga with Raila and the constitution we'd get in a hundred days? Is this the kind of person you would like to get into a coalition with?

(Edited for conciseness. Ed.)
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re: re: why kibaki
written by Koitalel , January 18, 2008
Koitalel, in essence you voted for Raila so you could bring back the good old Moi days. That is the gist of your message.

(Extreme over-quotation shortened. Ed.)

Your ilk have to understand people can be oppressed, but will one day be freed. That theft can succeed in the short run, but will backfire in the long run. That Justice comes before peace, that equality comes before peace, and that in Real life, the State-whatever it is- doesnt have the monopoly of violence.
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re: Thank you D
written by Jessy , January 18, 2008
Dear D
If I was not so passionately against Raila Odinga, if I did not see him as a threat to everything that is good for Kenya and for Kenyans, especially the poor, then I would I suppose take your line. It is the responsible line, and the one that we must push as Kenyans, the one we must all try to come together at.


Now look here pal! Let me clear your memory after Kivuitu publicly admittited that the Govt was cooking the results in areas where the results were delayed, PNU came up with the allegations that ODM had also rigged, so as to divert the attention from their evil ways and as a way of justifying their rigging. But it sad to see such an intelligent soul as you not using the wits GOD gave you.
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re: coallition--thanks D
written by dalani , January 19, 2008

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Kibaki is not one to trust. Remember the M.O.U saga with Raila and the constitution we'd get in a hundred days? Is this the kind of person you would like to get into a coalition with?

(Edited for conciseness. Ed.)


You ever hear the saying: "keep your friends but keep your enemies closer" ? In a coalition, ODM would have legal power in government instead of continuing mob rule and would be in a better position to represent their constituencies and veto legislations contrary to the interests of Kenyans...ideally anyways
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