Isindu Mwangaza
written by mkosakabila , February 20, 2008

Stop your war-mongering. Just so you know, we all have swords. Let's sit down and recraft our covenant with the Kenyan people. Together. Hii mambo ya kutisha wengine haifai.

wawa
written by Timmy W , February 20, 2008

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The democrate and the thie
written by Wuod Aketch , February 20, 2008

(...) Wuod, step away from your machine and get some fresh air. Eds

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written by Mr. Vikii , February 20, 2008

But you see Wuod Aketch, this notion you have that only Central Province voted for Kibaki or would wish to be led by Kibaki (and not Raila) beats any known logic out there. There are 2.2 Million registered voters in Central Povince. Now even by ODM's own shoddy figures, Kibaki got well over 4 Million votes. Why should these other two million people who voted for him be put under dictator Raila?

I do not come from Central Province. In my constituency, Raila Odinga got 129 votes. He was fourth. The people in my constituency would rather be led by Kalonzo (who supports Kibaki now), Kibaki or Nazlin Umar (She got a cool 200 votes there) in that order. When you guys draw your new boundaries that make Central Province a Lesotho, will my constituency be governed by Kibaki or the other fellow? My point is; Kibaki was voted by a plurality of the people of Kenya (not just Kikuyus) and with Kalonzo's support, he enjoys the support of the majority of Kenyans. Or are there 4 million registered voters in Central?

re: Isindu Mwangaza
written by Isindu Mwangaza , February 20, 2008

(Erased for unworthiness. Ed.)

Beating a dead horse!
written by Isindu Mwangaza , February 20, 2008

Mr.Vikii,
Critical to where we are is the disputed poll, so your "time and again" claim that Kibaki received 4m+ votes amounts to beating a dead horse. The issue has been settled by the mediation Committee as one issue that must be revisited; so do us a favor and explore another line of argument.

Secondly, Kenya will not be sliced up into autonomous "zones" and those who seek it clearly have other motives. In fact if any leader champions this alternative, it must be said that he or she lacks the fortitude, discipline and intellect to preside over a constituency and must be censured by peers.

For you and I, honest debate dialog can begin to separate the issues as they evolve. What you also must understand is that governance is dynamic, it changes with the needs of today and aspirations of the future based on a solid constitutional foundation.

While it is plain and in your face that PNU's antics neither embrace the above nor aspire to assure you nor I that we will have a Kenya beyond today, you still behave as though points of rhetoric, in this forum, can salvage Kenya through PNU's hopelessness: A hope that you nor I can count on! Perhaps I ought to ask, can you count on the 'government' as constituted to deliver?

Frankly, throwing in a few ODM Ministers to 'assist' Kibaki is simply going fishing with a bazooka; not much will come out of it. As a patriot, you might want to agitate for more.

Consistent Demagoguery
written by Isindu Mwangaza , February 20, 2008

PNU's use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises of dialog while revolving around the same circle of inexplicable positions will be Kenya's bane and ultimately, destruction.

PNU's has changed its position from No recounts, to "go to court", from asserting Kibaki was validly elected to "Kenya is ok", to seeking international recognition to shunning their prevailing advise. To threatening ODM legislators among other disagreeable personalities like Maina Kiai & Prof.Mathai to frustrating efforts of investigating ODM legislators assassinations.

PNU has shifted around and about its position without clarity except that of not moving an inch to meet the greater public midstream. I fail to see how they can be trusted.

From rubbishing Desmond Tutu to humiliating Cyril Ramaphosa not to mention, ridicule Kofi Annan. All this rhetoric is devoid of solutions for now, solutions for tomorrow. How then can anyone concede to such acts of wanton disregard to human suffering?

PNU MP's must brace themselves for the inevitability of isolating the country and indeed their constituents. The difference here is that you and I can trade and debate the implications; whereas out in the villages and streets, vengeance is the order of the day.

(War-mongering and threats of violence erased. Take a panga and go to the nearest Mungiki den if you feel you need some blood. This here however is not the place for it. Eds.)

Has any one see this
written by Bobby , February 21, 2008

Balala hinted at an ethnic isolation of Kibaki's Kikuyu tribe, whose homeland is in the central highlands. He referred to "reducing them to an island like Lesotho" if talks fail.

Hate Link here

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written by Mr. Vikii , February 21, 2008

Isindu wa Mwangaza, what is your argument? That we should hand the babies toys just because they are threatening to throw tantrums? Why dont other election losers, including Stanley Livondo who claims to have been rigged out in Lang'ata, mobilize hooligans and demand sharing of responsibilities with the winners? What is so special with the loser in this case?

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written by Isindu Mwangaza , February 21, 2008

Isindu wa Mwangaza, what is your argument? That we should hand the babies toys just because they are threatening to throw tantrums?
Why don't other election losers, including Stanley Livondo who claims to have been rigged out in Lang'ata, mobilize hooligans and demand sharing of responsibilities with the winners? What is so special with the loser in this case?

So in your astute opinion the current impasse is regrettably ODM's doing? On a point of practical events, Livondo cannot begin to claim rigging. This is simply a political manoeuvre that warrants mockery even by a toddler.
Meanwhile, what was your position on 12/26? Much of the same? I doubt it. And to simply assert that ODM mobilized hooligans is incredibly insincere.
Either way, 20 years from now Raila & Kibaki contribution to Kenya will be measured by how we get out of this mess. The reality is stark. Face it and perhaps get a feel of where I'm coming from. I'm nor more patriotic than you are and no less inclined to accept an insidious solution.

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written by Mr. Vikii , February 21, 2008

Interesting!

Well, Mwangaza, my reference of Kibaki's 4 Million plus was in fact a quote from the ODM. According to them the figures they have (which we should believe as more authentic than Kivuitu's) Raila won with 4.3 million and Kibaki followed with 4.1 Million. In other words, no one, including the ODM, has ever disputed the fact that Kibaki got well over 4 Million votes--unless you guys are now introducing another lie!

Away from that, I do not believe for a minute that bringing a few ODM fellows into government to "assist" Kibaki will solve the Problem. This problem is of ODM's making and the solution lies with them doing the job Kenyans gave them--Acting as a check on Kibaki's government. They are supposed to be a reponsible opposition and wait for their time if it will ever come.

Lesotho
written by magothe , February 21, 2008

Apparently the Yemeni-Kenyan by the name Balala thinks that if the Kikuyu won't bow to ODM's demands, they can herd them all into Central. And this is the Pentagon? When are we going to learn that if one part of Kenya bleeds we all do? Just look at problems caused by the Rift Valley ethnic cleansing. Virtually no milk is being bought from North RV; most food prices have gone up. And then there is the tragic case of K-city.
Lets debate, dialogue, politic and mediate in every Kenya's interest.

Balala was born and bred in Kenya. There's no question of his being anything other than fully Kenyan. Play the ball, not the man. Eds.

Let us take Balala\'s threat f
written by Nyabs , February 21, 2008

So, let us assume we isolate central Kenya and created a nation state that excludes central Kenya or creates a "Lesotho" What this means is anyone whose ancestors were originally from central Kenya needs to be herded back there. This has already been done with a lot of success in Kisumu and partially successfully in the Rift Valley. So is Balala endorsing the continuation of ethnic cleansing and ethnic majimboism? and on account of what? A reasonable request by Kibaki that any changes envisaged should be within the current constitution and with a twelve month time frame?

And when herding the Central Kenya people back to "Lesotho", what will the ODM party be telling them? That we are moving you because Kibaki has refused to do this or that? Is Balala saying that everything that Kibaki does and says is on behalf of the Kikuyu, and that every Kikuyu should suffer the consequences of Kibaki's actions? Where do we draw the line on Kibaki as a member of the Kikuyu community and Kibaki as President, elected by at least 4.1 million Kenyans cutting across all ethnic groups ( at least by ODM figures)?

Let us go further and say that against all reason, a "Lesotho" was created. Where, pray, will the trucks carrying goods from Balala's port pass through on their way to the Rift Valley Jimbo. The last time I checked, they will have to pass through some parts of Central Kenya, or "Lesotho" as some would want. What if "Lesotho" decides that they will not allow them to pass?

At last count, the port of Mombasa served Rwanda, Burundi, Eastern Congo, parts of Tanzania, Southern Sudan and Uganda. Pray, if "Lesotho" refuses to allow passage of these countries' trucks to and from the port, what will then happen to their economies? Pray, how will Balala make up for the loss of revenue that the port is likely to experience and the attendant loss of jobs that will follow? Will he blame these on the citizens of "Lesotho"?

Our very rich Jimbo of Rift Valley will also want to access the big market called Nairobi, and further down Mombasa with agricultural produce. But alas, they have to pass through "Lesotho". If "Lesotho" decides not to play ball, how will they access these markets? They will also need fuel to drive their tractors and vehicles. Fuel refinery is done in Balala's Jimbo, but unfortunately, the trucks and pipelines pass through "Lesotho", so again, the Rift Valley Jimbo that does not tolerate madoadoa, and which will be under the able leadership of one William Samoei Arap Ruto, will be starved of one of the ingredients that it needs to grow crops. Biofuels would certainly be an option, but then, it takes time to switch to alternative sources of fuel.

And what will happen to Nyanza, which also depend on Nairobi and Mombasa for raw materials and supplies? Already people there are on a diet of red meat for lack of vegetables (any doctor will strongly advice that you limit red meat intake)

So, what point am I making? That the Kenyan economy is interlinked and when you hear infantile arguments like the ones forwarded by Balala and Anyang Nyong'o, it makes you wonder what type of leadership they and their ilk have been practicing and want to continue practicing.

Worldwide, the move is towards eliminating borders and expanding markets, but the retrogressive leadership of ODM would want to see us creating small tribal fiefdoms, or "Lesothos", at least from the mouth of one Najib Balala.

To say that I am disappointed is an understatement.