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Written by Vitalis Oyudo and Stephen Wainaina   
Monday, 07 January 2008

An article was published recently in this newspaper, presenting a few arguments as being typical of those who supported the president's re-election bid . We took it in good humour, misguided though it was. We seek here then, to correct some of the arguments proposed in the article.

On the Presidency
We do not believe that Mwai Kibaki is the legitimate president of Kenya but he is the legal president of Kenya. There is a big difference between the two. We acknowledge that there are issues surrounding the election and that as ECK Chairman Samuel Kivuitu and Attorney General Amos Wako have averred, it may not possible to tell who actually won the vote given the irregularities on both sides. It is clear from pre-election polling that the result was going to be a close on, although exit polls from around the country do suggest that Kibaki won the election .

On the other hand, we are very much aware of the need for the government to have both a national outlook and a sufficient following in parliament. It is true that the strategy of fielding multiple candidates in the same electoral constituency has really hurt us, in many of Nairobi's constituencies for example, the ODM candidate won, even as the bulk of the presidential vote went to Mwai Kibaki. So even as we admit defeat in these constituencies, we would also like to correct the erroneous perception that there was an overall rejection of the PNU or the government's policies. Consider for example, the case of Cherangany where former Agriculture Minister Kipruto Kirwa lost by just above 2195 votes, beaten by a recent university graduate on an ODM ticket. The field had 16 candidates, most of whom were pro-Kibaki. The almost evenly split electorate in this highly charged atmosphere does demand a cooperation between the parties and ethnic communities. We are looking forward to this.

On ethnicity
Hamisi's article features a slur against the Agikuyu, claiming that they do not want to compromise, that Mwai Kibaki would be disgracing himself if he compromised. From the day after the election, Minister Michuki has been reaching out to the ODM and ODM-K. It is Raila and the ODM that are proving recalcitrant.

It is very tempting to point both ways and say Kibaki is also in the wrong, but on the matter of the violence, there is very little the president can do. If he went to Kisumu or Eldoret for example, he would only be causing more violence. It really is up to the ODM and especially Raila and Ruto to bring the violence to a stop. It will be interesting to read what sociologists make of the effect of the ODM's anti-GEMA campaign on the Kenyan public, and its influence on the post-election violence. It is increasingly obvious, that much of this violence would have been visited on Kenyans regardless of the elections turnout.

On the speedy, stealthy inauguration
There was a real air of uncertainty surrounding the country at the time with riots and violence in the western city of Kisumu. The ODM it is clear had planned a parallel inauguration regardless of the result and we were very much aware of their Dick Morrisian tactics. The whole affair was very unfortunate and extremely embarrassing for all Kenyans, those who supported the president included. It is hard to see how things could have been different though, there did have to be an executive authority over the country.

On voting and tallying
First, there are increasing reports of irregularities in the ODM zones prior to the elections. Many are reporting that they were prevented from voting in Nyanza, especially female voters who seemed predisposed to vote for the party of development and against the prevailing tribal bloc.

It would be flying against all reason to suggest that something very wrong did not happen in the period immediately after the election. It could be argued that those making this suggestion are only taking it to counter the ODM's refusal to admit that there were irregularities in its sphere of influence. The international media seems to have focused merely on Molo, and the local media on Maragwa, but there were reports of dodgy results from across the divide including in places like Langata, Rarieda, Sigor, and Eldoret North among others. Rigging is rigging and it affects the results, to focus merely on the late rigging and not the early one is dishonest and reflects an unhelpful bias.

As Kivuitu said then, and as Archbishop Tutu now agrees, the results of a re-tallying would not be any truer than that of the flawed election. The ballots and the forms are not kept securely, and even before they were lost from KICC, the BBC had one from the ODM which it displayed on its website. This alone shows that it is impossible to account for the integrity of the forms 16A.

On Kivuitu
Oh, the poor man. Kenyan hysteria now dictates that the man was forced by PNU and ODM-K to declare the results. How hungry we are for headlines. It is clear that both sides pressured the ECK Chairman to announce the results when they thought themselves triumphant. Note for example that the ODM had already announced that Raila Odinga had won the election, and the riots around the country, particularly in Kisumu demanded an early announcement. It was already two days after the voting had ended! It is impossible to tell what would have happened in that one week, as the votes were recounted, or the tallies added up as Maina Kiai and the diplomats wanted, but if Kisumu is any indicator, things would not be much different than they are today. In any case it is an open secret that the ODM was never going to accept defeat.

On the situation in Nairobi
The situation in Nairobi really does depend on where you live. It is very bad in some places, and simply quiet in others. It is not a PNU point of view, but rather different realities. It is scary for all of us; PNU people are not in any way less likely to be harmed by the violence, especially not in Nairobi. The ODM's Raila Odinga's continued statements about genocide are without a doubt incendiary and are dousing the flames with oil.  Such sentiments have before led to strife in Nairobi along landlord-tenant relationships. 

On the situation up-country
It is difficult to explain what inspired the Eldoret murders. The ODM and its acolytes will be keen to blame this on the events of the last week, but the facts speak different. Every single election since the repeal of Section 2A has seen violence against 'foreigners' in the Rift Valley. It is also quite disingenuous to act as though the ODM's two year campaign against the Agikuyu has no bearing here, or that its promotion of Majimbo as a system of government has played no role in inspiring the targets and the violence.

On the wazees
Without a doubt the PNU campaign was one of the worst run in the history of elective politics.  Not only were its drivers incompetent, but they used such old methods, and adopted a most rigid, formal structure that they were in the end insensitive to public opinion and to the signs from all across the country.

On political rallies and demonstrations
Like all Kenyans who care for their country, we recognise that there were serious shortcomings with the election. However, we are primarily concerned that we act now to save lives and to salvage what remains of our country's reputation. It is absolutely important that Kenya makes it off the front pages of international newspapers, and that when we make it back it will be to show that we are capable of sorting out our differences in a calm and orderly fashion.

On the security forces
It is true that the military and the police force are not all GEMA. There is absolutely no basis for the ODM's charge of genocide apart from a desire to escalate the situation and win their party international sympathy. Note also the way the party tries to suggest that the police are beating opposition supporters, or raping opposition supporters. The international media seems to have fallen for this lie, but Kenyans really ought to know better.

On the Western powers
We are only supporters of the PNU against the lies of the ODM, so we cannot pretend to be privy to such information. However the president has promoted in his first term a non-aligned approach to international politics. When it serves Kenya's interests best, Kenya will be allied with the USA or with China or with our neighbours in the East African Community. What matters most are the interests of Kenya. In this increasingly multi-polar world, this really is the best option.

On Raila's claims against corruption
The PNU's supporters are aware of the ability of corrupt politicians and business people to infiltrate even the best political parties. We regret that there are a few on our side that are corrupt. Still, it is amazing just how gullible one has to be to believe that the party that has Raila Odinga as presidential candidate, Musalia Mudavadi as Vice President, William Ruto as Prime Minister designate, Henry Kosgei as Chairman, Richard Kwach as Elections Board Chair among others in the who's who of corrupt persons, represents anything but a return to the most corrupt politics ever.

On Kibaki's meeting with MPs
Like all Kenyans of goodwill, we are determined to save our country from the spiral of violence. We will do everything that it takes to calm things down, and will work with all parties and all communities without sanction. This really must be the way for anyone who cares about Kenya. This is not the time for division.

It is especially important for Kenya's prospects of recovery that the violence does not escalate and that we return to a state of normalcy as soon as possible. Every day that goes by without calm represents lives lost, lives that will never be regained.

On the new cabinet
We recognise in the light of the events of the past six months, that it is absolutely necessary that a government that is all inclusive is made. It will also be of utmost importance that this cabinet contain the very best talent Kenya has to offer particularly as this will be a hard year with a global credit crunch, rising food and energy prices, a fall in productivity from the areas of ethnic cleansing and a likely fall in the number of tourists streaming into the country. It is not just at the cabinet level, but even at the individual one that all of us will have to pull for Kenya.

On Raila's MoUs 
The less said the better. This is hardly the time to pick political fights, Kenyans must come together to salvage their nation. The ODM leader's history does speak for itself all the same. 


Vitalis Oyudo And Stephen Wainaina
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written by Masaa , January 07, 2008
This article has brought out EXACTLY what I was thinking in a very eloquent way. The authors have done a marvelous job.
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Well Written...
written by Silaha , January 07, 2008
Oyudo/Wainaina:

This is a well crafted article that captures the PNU POV (acronymania I know, pole).

Obviously I disagree with your assertion that my article was misguided. I wrote it at a time when there was nothing but the ODM perspective being shared on the Net. Yet when I spoke with PNU people I realized that they were not sheepishly grinning with guilty looks on their faces knowing that they had "stolen" the election. On the contrary the were defiant.

I wanted to give a Net presence for these voices. I wanted to capture the passion, the defiance, the support for Kibaki that was missing. I wanted the ODM people here to recognize that there are these other ~4m Kenyans who are committed supporters of Kibaki.

Thank you for polishing their views.

All the best

-Silaha

p.s. I am neither pro-Kibaki or pro-Raila, I am simply pro-Kenya.
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re: Tribal Hatred
written by Q , January 07, 2008
I know will be called tribalist but the fact of the matter is that Kenya is a dangerous country with very backward tribes who cannot rationalise issues well, they allow themselves to be manipulated by selfish blood thirsty politicians like Ruto and Raila. .


Yes Sir! Bila shaka you are a tribalist!
Kindly expound on these very backward tribes and while you are at let us know would Kenyatta, Moi and Kibaki qualify as tribalists? How about Nyachae, Ntimama and Michuki?
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Tribal Hatred
written by dr.phil , January 07, 2008
I know will be called tribalist but the fact of the matter is that Kenya is a dangerous country with very backward tribes who cannot rationalise issues well,

Many of which sit nicely and safely in comfortable houses or apartments abroad, and even sport spiffy academic titles. Careful with hate speech, man. Ed.

Attacking kikuyus and burning their of property does not solve anything, regular ppl are not only innocent, they were only their exercising democratic right by voting.
These regions are now experiencing starvation because they chased away the entrepreneur who sells them food.

This violence we are experiencing in our country did not just happen. This is an issue ignored for long. There has been too much hatred against the gikuyu for very long. What Raila and Ruto have done is to whip up the already underlying fire. There is a feeling that kikuyu ppl are economically invading different regions of the country. What is really not clear to me is whether the thinking is that the Kibaki government has favoured the Kikuyu into economic prosperity.

This serves to give a clear picture what majimbo truly means to these Kenyans. And it is evident that with ODM having taken over the government there would still have been chaos regardless. Because an ODM victory, would mean revenge against the percieved enemy, the gikuyu people.
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written by Amir Ibrahim , January 07, 2008
This comes as a surprising newsflash, even to me, given the power of the ODM propaganda machine. Apparently, considering all the talk that he was rejected across the country and is president of only 2 provinces, Kibaki did in fact win 4 provinces. Given the fact that even the vote stealing allegations refer to only Central, Rift Valley and Eastern provinces where the gap was so large between the candidates as to be unchangeable by rigging, Kibaki does have a mandate from 4 provinces.


Central
Eastern
Nairobi
North Eastern

As regards the violence in Kenya, well it really has nothing to do with the election. Please scroll down to the third comment on this thread dated 12/11, it had already started in Kisumu.

Raila has a very strong support base, which is behaving as if Raila is already the president. They are showing the rest of Kenyans what ugatuzi and Raila presidency will mean; that "some ethnic groups" will be persona non grata in Kisumu as the case of a traffic police officer proves who roughed and beaten up for sharing ethnicity with one of Raila's opponent?


In Nairobi there were many people who refused to pay rent? Remember?

Remember that the ODM leader had warned people in Meru that if he became President some regions would cry?
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written by a guest , January 07, 2008
Sorry PNU, Kibaki did not even come close to winning. The LSK now accuses electoral officials (majority are PNU appointees) of "dishonesty and ineptitude," Kibaki's swearing-in is "null and void", and (has) urged a fresh vote. LSK notes, "Kibaki lacks legitimacy to govern and this is the cause of the problems we are facing as a country."

Your article falls short of analytical rigor and depth. A better title might be: How PNU failed to legitimize a farce of an election.
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written by Nairobian , January 07, 2008
Total factual ignorance deleted, that did not even represent the most basic facts right. Stop trolling, and stay in Mashada or Jukwaa. Ed.
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This Ought to Be Every Kenyan\
written by Murebeti , January 07, 2008
This is the most sober assesment of the situation in Kenya I have seen yet, and like those of who who were reading Mashada know, I wrote a lot on the issue on the blogs for about two days before I suddenly could not sign on to the forum sections!
In fact, I dare say this ought not be considered a PNU perspective, but every sane Kenyan's perspective.Good job guys.
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written by Jonas savimbi , January 08, 2008
That article is far from what the real picture is in the real world of any reasonable democratic Kenyan of today. Why is it that all blame is on Raila and Luo community as opposed to the majority of the 42 tribes in Kenya. One fact has it that PNU is a Gikuyu party of today.
For a reason I am a Kuria by birth but I have spend part of my life on the outskirts of Trans-Nzoia as a large scale farmer around Cherangany. Straight to the point Kirwa never lost because there were many little parties supporting PNU. Kirwa lost because we lived up to the days democratic power. Just like Kibaki was supposedly to, until Kivuitu's backdoor arrangement to lend support at a time when he Kibaki needed it much than ever.

Whether you like it or not.......History will judge Kibaki forever. He eroded all the goodwill Kenyans mandated him with in 2002. ...Freedom is coming to other minor tribes in Kenya whether it will be 10000 yrs to come. Someday, our descendants will live to read about such merciless, selfish actions instigated by a few individuals who think they were created to rule over others!
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re: Freedom?
written by PNU supporter , January 08, 2008


Whether you like it or not.......History will judge Kibaki forever. He eroded all the goodwill Kenyans mandated him with in 2002. ...Freedom is coming to other minor tribes in Kenya whether it will be 10000 yrs to come. Someday, our descendants will live to read about such merciless, selfish actions instigated by a few individuals who think they were created to rule over others!


1. I agree that Kibaki did erode the goodwill he received in 2002, basically by trying to retain presidential powers as all cost.

2. Freedom is coming??? What freedom. Are you not free now? What is this that yiou think yoiu cannot do in Kenya today because you are not free, that you will do if Raila is president?
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Amir Ibrahim\'s ignorance
written by a guest , January 08, 2008
Amir Ibrahim, your ignorance is appalling. Get your facts straight before putting your foot in your mouth. Since when did Kibaki win N.Eastern province? Is this yet another example of the felonious PNU trying to steal the election?

Kibaki and his PNU lost to ODM in N.E province. Get your facts right for once.
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re: This Ought to Be Every Ken
written by Murage , January 08, 2008
If you think this posturing is the most sober assessment of the stolen election, then I have a problem believing you really understand the meaning of the word sober.

Sadly PNU has not risen to the fact that the only way it had to win anything was through cheating. With all those incompetent PNU ECK plants, it's sad that they couldn't even pull off a convincing theft. They were caught every step of the way. So now PNU is running around saying ODM was rigging too without any evidence. PNU is just made up of vichwa maji.

This is the most sober assesment of the situation in Kenya I have seen yet, and like those of who who were reading Mashada know, I wrote a lot on the issue on the blogs for about two days before I suddenly could not sign on to the forum sections!
In fact, I dare say this ought not be considered a PNU perspective, but every sane Kenyan's perspective.Good job guys.

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PNU official statement
written by Murage , January 08, 2008
Is this the official PNU statement on the stolen election? The most laughable thing about PNU members is their zeal in asking ODM and Raila to go to court and seek 'legal' redress, when all they have done from the get go is use their position to manipulate the law to every Kenyan's disadvantage.

Just look at the media, every PNU member including the sad Uhuru Kenyatta is singimg to ODM one song "go to court."

Look, Gicheru's court is out of question. Gicheru just like Kivuitu and Wako are just Kibaki pawns. This is a political problem, it'll either be solved through negotiation under the watchful eyes of the international community so that Kibaki does not act retarded again when he signs an MoU with Raila or through massive street protests that'll disable this arrogant, illegitimate government.

And by the way, there will be another election so you better start talking to Kalonzo to join your ranks.

OK, let's debunk some PNU urban myths here too.
First, nobody has refused to pay rents and if there are it has nothing to do with ODM just like the Kibaki rigging has nothing to do with Kikuyus killed as a result.

Raila did not threaten Meru people with dire consequences, you're taking his statement, just like many others, out of context. He said / meant if you don't vote for him and keep the Kibaki government, things will continue to be bad because of the unfair status quo.

One question:
Kibaki campaigned all over for two months. How come he cannot even come out now and address victims of the clashes now? Isn't this another evidence that Kibaki is just a selfish guy who can only work for his personal benefit.

people say Raila is power hungry, the truth is Kibaki is the one who has proven to be power hungry the most. He has sacrificed almost a thousand lives some directly by sending police to Kisumu with lethal instructions. And he has caused the displacement of thousands.

Kibaki should do everyone a favor and just disappear.
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One word for this article
written by Philip Roy , January 08, 2008
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written by Amir Ibrahim , January 08, 2008
Kibaki did win North Eastern province, ODM has tried very hard to make Kibaki look like he won only Central Province, but he won 4 provinces, out of eight. Live with it!
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re: Amir Ibrahim\'s ignorance
written by manta ray , January 08, 2008
Amir Ibrahim, your ignorance is appalling. Get your facts straight before putting your foot in your mouth. Since when did Kibaki win N.Eastern province? Is this yet another example of the felonious PNU trying to steal the election?

Kibaki and his PNU lost to ODM in N.E province. Get your facts right for once.


Amir Ibrahim has presented his facts complete with a map and a source. Where are your facts? Repeating falsehoods as often as possible will not work. That strategy is a complete no no.

You ODM types are like the guys who promise to double peoples money, only to be caught out in the end because you refuse to stop the lies or change your deception strategy.
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Tribes
written by dr.phil , January 08, 2008
Surely you must agree with me that Rift valley and nyanza provinces (...)

No, we must not. Tribalist generalities deleted. You know we do not tolerate slurs against entire provinces and populations. Ed.

(...)
There is no way to justify burning shops and churches could be done by civilised human beings. These kikuyus or Asians living in these regions have nothing to do with manipulating election results.
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re: The (....) tribes
written by Q , January 08, 2008
Initial paragraph edited.

Please read this; it's from DECEMBER 2003.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/...sage/29966

Sunday Nation, Dec 2003

Why our second liberation is yet to be completed

By MUTAHI NGUNYI

This week I want to give a suggestion to President Mwai Kibaki: He
should fire his speechwriter! If we lived in a ''banana republic,''
these people would have actually been charged with sabotage.
What they gave the President to read on Jamhuri Day was flat and
shoddy.

In fact, his speech on this day sounded like recycled material from
the Madaraka Day and Kenyatta Day addresses. And what is worrying is
that his speechwriters did not even seem to notice the repetitions.
The question we should ask here is why?

The answer to this is simple: Maybe they also slept through the
speeches! The long and short of things is therefore that someone is
being negligent.

Let us now turn to the fact that the President has finally put his
portrait on our currency. In my view, there is absolutely nothing
wrong with that. In fact, there would be nothing wrong if he put a
family portrait on one of the currency notes.

What we must understand here is that President Kibaki is a human
being. He has urges and excesses. To deny him some things is
therefore ridiculous. It is like placing a pot full of honey in
front of a little boy and expecting him not to dip his finger into
the stuff! In other words, our new President is cuddling in the
warmth and comfort of the institutions that shaped former President
Daniel arap Moi. And, if this is the case, why should we be
surprised if he ''hatched'' into a dictator?

What we have witnessed in the last one year is the degeneration of
President Kibaki from a reformer to a ''Toad King''. This process
begins with the President becoming insensitive. At this point, he
breaks one pledge after another without feeling a thing. And, as he
does this, the question in his mind is: Where can you take me?
In the case of the MoU for instance, we took him nowhere. The
begrudged politicians yapped until the cows came home. Now the
President has put his portrait on our currency and we will take him
nowhere. The general attitude here is this: If you do not like it,
you can sit on a pin!

Numbing his sense to popular voices will definitely degenerate into
a state of paranoia. At this point, the President will make one
blunder after another. And instead of correcting his mistakes, he
will increase his speed in the direction of the wrong. This is where
former President Moi was when he introduced ''Project Uhuru'' to the
country. The crowds booed him, his loyal followers in Kanu abandoned
him and even his own people questioned his wisdom. But the more we
rejected his ''project'', the more determined he became.

There is a lesson for President Kibaki here. He is increasingly
becoming like Mr Moi during the 2002 elections. He is not yet
paranoid, but his insensitivity could develop into ''political
blindness''. Who knows how low he will have sunk by the 2007
elections? And this is what worries me.

Consider a hypothetical situation here. What would happen if
President Kibaki decided to run for re-election in 2007 and lost?
Would he and his men have the grace to hand over power peacefully?
From the way they have behaved in the last one year, I doubt it. And
where would that leave the country? At the risk of sounding crazy, I
want to suggest the following: If we thought that Mr. Moi would
plunge the country into civil strife, he proved us wrong. Narc is
the party to plunge the county into civil strife. You just have to
listen to the FM stations and the call-in television programmes to
see a pattern. From the name of the caller, you can almost predict
what they will say and what side of the divide they will take. In a
disputed election, such polarity would certainly take ugly
proportions.

But there are two possible ways out of this. The first one has to do
with the agenda of the second liberation. This process was meant to
achieve two things - to remove Mr. Moi from power and replace him
with reform-minded leaders. This was done successfully. However, as
we are beginning to realise, Mr. Moi was not the problem.
The problem was the institutions he inherited from the Kenyatta. To
change the leadership without changing the institutions is like
treating cancer with Malaraquin. This is partly why
the ''institutional cancer'' in the presidency is beginning to
affect President Kibaki.

Putting his portrait on our currency and junking the pre-election
MoU are just manifestations of this cancer. This is why the other
agenda of the second liberation was institutional reforms. Until
this is completed, the second liberation will not have happened.
More specifically, this refers to the constitutional review process.
And, at this point I would want to address the delegates preparing
for Bomas III on January 12, 2004.

It is my hope that you have had time to reflect on the issues at
hand in Bomas III. We are also told that the politicians have spent
this long break to bribe you. In my view you should take the bribes
and use the money to enjoy your Christmas. You must realise at this
point that you are involved in politics and that in this game there
is no morality. As such, you should have fun on someone else's
account! However, when it comes to voting, you must reject
the ''bribe givers'' and vote for the country.

This is important because of the following reasons. If the second
liberation had two phases, the first phase of replacing the
leadership had to be carried out by 3.1 million voters. Replacing Mr
Moi and his cronies was in my view the easy part. The second phase
is the tough one. And this is where you come in. You are only 600
people, and the future of our country depends on you.
I have two questions for you at this point. One, as you vote for
issues, will you be thinking of your ''tribal chief'' or your
children? In my view, your tribe is your children. If you make a
constitution for your children, you will have made a constitution
for Kenya.

Two, consider the question of the Prime Minister's post. And the
question to you is this: If this post had been created before the
2002 elections, do you think President Kibaki would have ''trashed''
the MoU? Do you think he would have put his portrait on our currency
and retained corrupt ministers in his Cabinet? If the answer to
these questions is no, then the cure to the ''institutional cancer''
in the presidency is the creation of this post. Do think about it!
The second possible way out of civil strife has to do with the
Kikuyu. Now that the presidency has returned to the ''House of
Mumbi'', some people from the community are convinced that it is
there to stay. In my view, this kind of thinking is retrogressive
and could result in ethnic animosity.Kikuyus should come to terms
with the possibility that they could lose the presidency in 2007. As
such, they should do two things: One, ''bank'' with the other
communities. This is important because they cannot survive alone in
future. Two, they should disown the Kikuyu ''sharks'' in the Kibaki
government.

Unless they do so, the entire community will be blacklisted simply
on account of a few people. In future, a Kikuyu presidential
candidate would be rejected because of the misdeeds of isolated
people. My submission therefore is: They should not support this
regime blindly!
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re: The (...) Tribes
written by Murage , January 08, 2008
What we stated towards Dr.phil. is also valid for you. Ed.

These are the kinds of statements that make us fight each other like dogs. You're actually really showing your backwardness by assigning the same to others. Wassup with the superiority complex?

(...) they sent cops with shoot-to-kill orders. They shot looters, men, women and even children, the official number of fatalities is 93 all who didn't deserve to be killed.
(...)
Understand the situation and then you'll understand the reaction. Before the elections there was talk that Kikuyus were running around telling people Kibaki has to win even if it took rigging. (...) Kenya is for all of us. Arrogance, petty gloating and looking down upon who groups is a very dangerous thing.

By the way, it's ethnic groups, not tribes. The word "tribe" implies backwardness.
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written by a guest , January 08, 2008
One of the things I admire about this site is the zeal the editors have in removing hate stuff.

That's why am wondering what an article describing some of my brothers and sisters as 'backward' is still doing up on the site? Is this not the same hate rhetoric thats driving the genocide in RV?

Not the "same", but a related kind. And your criticism is valid, thanks for the nudge. The offending slur slur has been edited now.
There are panga-wielding (and keyboard-wielding) savages running around, no doubt, there are people (in every ethnic group) whose mind is backward, but the general condemnation of two regions was over the line. Ed.

I am a Kikuyu btw from Kiambu and I am not a big fan of Raila but the above post is just despicable.
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Kibaki, It\'s Game OVER
written by Wuod Aketch , January 08, 2008
Kibaki is trying the nerves of Kenyans. At this pace, the country will end up breaking apart.
A friend of mine asked me why the military had not come in to run the country for three months until the new presidential elections take place. I told him that in Kenya, the military never leave their barracks. (...)

Kibaki knows that the game is over for him but is still attempting to cling to power like a drowning man clinges to driftwood.
The question I ask here, is how and where will the 250,000 refugees be resettled? I am pessimistic (after Kibaki named his cabinet "de choc"smilies/wink.gif that they be able to or agree to go back to where they used to live before.
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Inequalities in our society
written by JM , January 08, 2008
until the philosophy which holds one clique superior and the masses inferior... is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned

Until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of our nation

Until the ethnic background of a Kenyan is of no more significance than the texture of his hair

Until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to tribe

Until that day, the dream of a lasting resolution to this conflict... and the rule of national morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained

Until the ignoble and greedy regimes that holds all Kenyans in subhuman bondage, have been kicked out and replaced

Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will

Until all Kenyans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven

Until that day, our nation will not know peace. Kenyans will continue to fight for our rights and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of GOOD over EVIL.


(These Words (edited to suit context) were uttered by Haile Selassie I at a UN conference in 1963. They were popularised by Bob Marley in his song War/No more trouble).
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how romantic
written by MoAmin , January 09, 2008
Immediately after finishing this speech, the Emperor returned to Addis Ababa and watched his lions feast on one of those uppity Somali, or maybe a Tigrean. These ODM types, they all worship the big man with the whip! No wonder!
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re: re: Amir Ibrahim\'s ignora
written by brain-in-drain , January 11, 2008
Amir Ibrahim has presented his facts complete with a map and a source. Where are your facts? Repeating falsehoods as often as possible will not work. That strategy is a complete no no.

You ODM types are like the guys who promise to double peoples money, only to be caught out in the end because you refuse to stop the lies or change your deception strategy.

You are the gullible one. Here's the truth:
NEP - Raila (49.6) Kibaki (47.9) Kalonzo (2.4)
NAIROBI - Raila (53.3) Kibaki (41.5) Kalonzo (5.1)
Source: http://kenyaelections07.marsgr...a/results/
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stop hiding from the truth
written by Ken , January 22, 2008
Its interesting to note how naive most of you out of the country are. A day after election,the chief of policeaddressed a press conference warning Kenyans that after election results, no member of an ethnic tribe should be thrown out of some certain areas. This means the Administration knew what it meant to announce a result whose process was not convincing. Our govt however chose to ignore this knowing very well the end result. What would it have cost to delay announcemment to sort out the credible issues raised by both PNU and ODM openly? Was announcing a winner so urgent that even if it meant kenyans dying - it had to be done? Lets stop burrying our heads under the sand and deal with the issues at hand.The truth shall set Kenya free.
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to amir ibrahim
written by Greg , January 22, 2008
Your comment is very interesting. You dont seem to know that the upper eastern province is where there was the biggest complaint of vote inflation, and represents PNU stronghold. That is where the Mwirarias and Kiraitus come from. YOu also dont know that the vote in Northeastern was shared. 51% to 49% is more or less a draw. Don't belive every diagram posted in the net!
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written by Anonymous , January 22, 2008
The only way to solve the problem is to first be truthful to ourselves. Let the truth be brought on the table. The diagram above was provided by the government and not the electral commission. Kindly note that the chairman of ECK MrKivuitu was not disowneed it saying it did not come from his commission and he did not even sign.
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