A world apart, Kenyans and Tanzanians PDF Print E-mail
Written by Richard Mbuthia   
Monday, 23 April 2007

There are some behavioral traits and aspects of their ways of life that are uniquely Tanzanian and Kenyan respectively. Here, I endeavor to look at how these two East African peoples are different.

Courtesy
Ask any Tanzanian and you'll be told one thing about Kenyans: "Kenyans are very rude, arrogant and uncivil.

" Why?" you may ask. It is said that Kenyans use rude, demanding language when they are asking for something (even when they mean to be polite!). For example, picture a scene in a Nairobi restaurant, a Kenyan is asking to be served a cup of tea.

Kenyan,' Helo, wee leta chai ninachelewa. Harakisha basi!' (Hello, you bring me some tea, I'm running late. Hurry up!')

But the same scenario in a Dar restaurant would probably go,

Tanzanian, ‘Habari za saa hizi. Naomba kikombe cha chai ya rangi.' (How are you, then? May I have a cup of tea please?)

Scene two, a Nairobi matatu- mathree- where the conductor is collecting fares:

Conductor, ‘Leta pesa yako na ufanye fasta (Let's have your fare and be quick about it). Fare ni mbao (twenty shillings) sitaki mtu ambaye anajifanya hajui fare ni chapa ngapi! (I don't need anyone acting like they don't know what the fare is!)

In a daladala in Dar es Salaam, a conductor in the exact same spot:

Conductor, ‘Naomba nauli yako.( May I have your fare)

"Nauli ni mia mbili hamsini." (approximately 14 Kenyan shillings).

In Tanzania, it is an unstated law that you have to greet each and every person you come across as you go about your business. Greetings for people who are older than you start with the reverential "Shikamoo". For example, ‘Shikamoo Mzee Juma.'

In Kenya, things could hardly be more different. It is not expected that one greet every one they meet. You greet only those you are acquainted with. There are no specific greetings for people who are older than you. Two widely used greetings suffice for all ages and sizes. When greeted ‘Sasa' you reply "Fit". This is akin to the ‘Mambo'- ‘Poa' used south of the border. A ‘Habari gani?' greeting -similar to the Habari za saa hizi? or the abbreviated form, 'Za saa hizi?' of Tanzania- is also frequently used.

Kenyans planning to visit Tanzania need to learn the art of greeting and to preface salutations to those older than them with ‘Shikamoo.' On the other hand, Tanzanians who are planning a trip in the opposite direction need to brace themselves so they don't get angry when people walk right past them without exchanging pleasantries. That is our way of life here.

I had a rough time, once, when visiting Tanzania. I did not greet a group of old men whiling the day away on a Dar street. I did not know how to get to where I was going (somewhere at Kunduchi) and after a few minutes searching about I remembered the old men I had passed by. I was sure they would be helpful so I retraced my footsteps to where they were still seated watching the world. I greeted them with a most humble Shikamoo and asked them for directions of where I was going. They exchanged glances, scowled, ignored me and continued talking. I stood there awkwardly waiting for God-knows-what.

One of them cleared his throat and told me: "You passed by here without even greeting us, but now that you have a 'problem' you have come to us. What do you expect us to do? Do you want us to associate with a rude fellow like you? I don't think you are a Tanzanian. Next time greet people whether you need their help or not. African culture dictates this!" And with that he directed me to where I was going (he literally took my hand and led me to where I was going), but not before I had served them with my most profuse apologies.

Culinary Delights
In Kenya, most people cook sukuma wiki and meat in one sufuria. Things are done differently in Tanzania. Sukuma wiki and meat stews are cooked in different pots. During mealtime in Tanzania, there are more serving dishes than on the dining table of an average Kenyan's table. These bowls may contain:

i) maharage (beans)( Maharagwe to Kenyans).

ii) mchicha (Kikuyus call it Terere).

iii) dagaa (call it Omena when in Kenya).

iv) a meat stew

My take is that Tanzanians are more nutrition conscious than Kenyans. They also use coconut milk in most of their food preparation and the food that is cooked with this additive is wonderful to the taste, take my word for it! I know of a Kenyan couple who crossed the border into Tanzania with the sheer intention of looking for a house help-mboch from Tanzania. When I asked them why they had gone to such lengths they said: "We went to Bagamoyo (in Tanzania) on our honeymoon. We loved the food we were served. It was a whole new experience. We need this Tanzanian touch in our very home in Nairobi."

Nuptials and other ceremonies
Wedding contributions in Tanzania are taken very seriously. Many would rather contribute financially towards a wedding than for someone's school fees. Kadi za harusi and ‘vikao vya harusi' are the key words associated with weddings in Tanzania. In Kenya, things are different. Wedding contributions are not as hyped up. In most cases, the families of the bride and groom do the contributions amongst themselves even though on occasion, input from outsiders is sought .Tanzanian wedding ceremonies are strictly for those who contributed for the wedding! A wedding invitation card is the Identity Card, proving that you contributed and are therefore eligible to taste the wedding cake. No gatecrashers are allowed whatsoever. In Kenya, most wedding ceremonies (except private weddings) are for virtually anyone and everyone. Even passers-by can pop in, take a bite, sip a drink and take their leave without anyone raising as much as an eyebrow. When I was a young boy, my friends and I kept diaries of coming wedding ceremonies to attend. On days when two or more weddings appeared in our diaries, we would split up the weddings and decide who would go where. Our main aim would not be to see the bride and groom exchanging wedding vows, but to partake of the wali, mchuzi and soda that would be served at the wedding reception. We would do this without the slightest tug and pull of guilt at our conscience. Talk of living in two, totally different, worlds!

School
Kenyans take eight years in primary school, four years in secondary school and four years in University (i.e. for most of the degree courses). In Tanzania, they take seven years in primary school, four years in secondary school, two years in high school (Forms 5 and 6) and three years at university ( for most of the degree courses). Still on education, Kenyan pupils stay in school from morning to afternoon (after 3pm). It is rare to see pupils roaming the streets when classes are on. That is unless they have been sent home or they are purely playing truant. This is quite different from what happens in Tanzania. It is common to see students and pupils roaming the streets when classes are on. Why? Pupils and students go to school in shifts. This means that some go to school in the morning while others go to school in the afternoon (or mchana as they call it in Tanzania) When the 'afternoon students' come to school, the 'morning students' leave for home.

Signal to driver or kiss?
If you have ever been to Dar es Salaam, then you have ever seen and heard what I'll mention here shortly. Daladala touts use their mouths to signal to the driver to stop and to stop or start moving the vehicle. You don't get the drift, I know. These kondas (touts) twist their mouths and suck in air between their lips to produce a sound that sends a signal to the driver. If you were not looking at the conductor, then you would think that he was kissing a woman. A party of Europeans were traveling to Posta (where most of the important offices are located in Dar es Salaam) some years ago. Out of the blue, they heard a loud kissing noise. Turning to face the daladala's doorway from whence the 'sound' was coming. They saw the conductor, a lanky man, theatrically producing the signal to ask the driver to pull into the lay-by where a passenger would alight.

In Nairobi, touts and conductors whistle, bang on the vehicles or talk loudly (shout is the word to use here) to request that the driver stop to pick up a passenger, to allow a passenger to alight or even to start moving the vehicle. None of the very manly sounds they produce sound anything close to a kiss.

Identifying yourself
In Kenya, all citizens 18 years and older are issued with National Identity Cards. It also goes without saying that one has to carry this ID around, especially if one anticipates a late night out. It saves face when one meets with those state employees eager to arrest guys on sight. When they ask, Wabi Gibande yago?' (Where is your identity card?) You flash them the small card that says you are a Kenyan and they let you walk away. In Tanzania, there are no national identity cards, although their Fourth Phase Government is planning to introduce them soon.

Some of the Tanzanians I asked how they would tell a Kenyan from a group of people said they would listen to the people speaking and voila! the Kenyan would stick out like a sore thumb. This interested me, so I asked one of them to tell me how he would do it. ‘I would listen to the people talking. I know a Kenyan's Kiswahili and English. It would not be hard to tell one apart.'





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written by Waruru , April 24, 2007
Looks like Tanzania carrie the day.

I think Kenyans' character is not bad. I'd like to think of myself as good.

To begin, survival skills, Tanzanians are alittle dimmer when compared to Kenyans.
For evry single tanzanian excelling in an American university, 50 Kenyans excel.
For every Tanzanian making it to university, 500 Kenyans make it.

Tanzanians 'wamebarizi' too much, to be 'rude' like a typical Kenyan, they are lazy.
I interact with them daily, while some may say it is a relaxed way of leaving, they relax too much at the expennse of working.
A friend Lenny was once deployed to run an NGO in Tanzania, they do not expect consequences for mistake. In Kenya we know one screws at work, they get fired, and in no sweet words.
In Tanzania, it goes like 'Hapo ndugu, ulikosea, rekebisha', it is a result driven society, where is the time for all that slack.

And as one who once took a motor-boat to TZ, and headed to Dar, I can tell you that it is terrible leaving there. At one point, in the 20th century (1999). the whole city had no milk, nor bread!. In Kenya, hata kama ni ya punda, it will exist.
Tanzania is largely an ignorant society. They do not know even why they vote. I have never accepted 'silence dran from ignorace' as a positive thing.

Kenyans do not need to compare themselves to those below or slightly above them.
Kenyans are very intelligent, and wonderful people.
Compare with the mayhem that was Nigerian polls.
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written by Ken Thumbi , April 25, 2007
Interesting article, if anyone took the time to understand the cultural subtleties, one would understand the deluded nature of the belief by Kenyans that they are superior to Tanzanians...

One word for you Mr Waruru "Unity", can we compare Kenya and Tanzania? And do not even write about Nigeria polls without looking at ourselves eight months before the polls. It is ridiculous to point out that your neighbour’s house is missing a roof tile whilst yours is in shambles...

Anyway the gist of THIS article was on the general Tanzanian behavioural traits, common courtesy and the like....
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deluded Kenyans
written by Nekessa , April 25, 2007
Hmm, I have never been one to like stereotypes. This article reminds me much of one I read a few years ago describing the aggressive nature of the Nairobian. It reminds me too of the aggressive New Yorker.

As a child I was taught to say thank you and please, so you can imagine how hurt my feelings were when I thanked the bank teller or the fellow at the Post Office, and my smile was met with either a black stare or a snarl.

Move down to the coast of Kenya where life is generally slower, and you will see what has been described at Tanzanian very much being practiced by all there.

Move down to rural communities all over Kenya where much of traditional values are still intact and you will not fail to see some or all of the characteristics you describe as Tanzanian.

Waruru-- Tanzanians dimmer than Kenyans? Perhaps Kenyans are the smartest people in the world? Ahh yes, it does show in how progressive Kenyans are!!! We have also consistently elected the right people in office. Nani kama sisi?
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Kentanzas!
written by Baraza , April 25, 2007
Wish we would be Kentanzas!

Having lived in Tanzania for close to five years, I fully agree with Richard’s assessment of the characteristics that are found among the people of these two East African countries. There are times when I wish there was a way of taking the best from each country and instilling it in all the citizens. I wish we would have some “Kentanzas”

On the issues that matter most like economics, academics, technology etc, Kenyans are miles ahead of Tanzanians. Thank God for our first president Jomo Kenyatta. I will always be grateful to him for allowing us to use English as the official language. Mwalimu Julius Kambarage Nyerere took the opposite path and literally “killed” a whole generation. Only the few privileged Tanzanians were able to send their kids to English speaking countries thus benefiting from quality education and exposure.

On social-political issues, Tanzanias are much “superior” in many ways. Like any other African country, Tanzania suffers from the effects of tribalism but there is no way one can compare the level of tribalism that you see in Kenya to Tanzania. When the people of that country were voting in the last general election, I did not hear them campaigning for Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete because of his tribe.NO! In fact many Tanzanians do not even know his tribe (He is from the Kwere tribe). They wanted him because of his education, his military experience, his diplomatic skills, his leadership skills on the local, national and international level, his sacrifices for the sake of his political party and nation and his trustworthiness. In Kenya, almost everybody wants the president to come from their tribe. The large tribes are the worst. This is where I wish the first president of Kenya would not have come from the Kikuyu tribe. Mwalimu Nyerere knew the dangers of having a president from a large tribe thus he rightly cautioned the people of Tanzania never to make the mistake of electing someone from the big tribes (especially the Chagga and the Haya) to be their president. He said there was the potential danger of such a president apportioning most of the country’s resources and opportunities to his tribesmen and that would give them unnecessary advantage over the rest of the people in the country forever. This is the mistake that Kenyans did and they will live with its consequences forever.

This morning as I was speaking in two classes in one of the schools in Rockford, I mentioned to them that many Tanzanians (not all) keep their word. I said this because not many Kenyans keep their word. Again, I emphasize, many, not all. When President Benjamin W.Mkapa and the their ruling party CCM “agreed” to campaign for Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete so that he may become the next president when B.W.Mkapa’s term came to an end, they kept their word. They did not go against their “memorandum of understanding”. If past experience is anything to go by, we can safely and conclusively say that this cannot happen in Kenya.

Tanzanians have been known for their trustworthiness in many ways to the extent that many African leaders have opted to use Tanzanian military security. Wish the same would apply to Kenyans. There is a saying in Tanzania that if you have a “Mkerewe” as your guard, he will let your enemy slit his throat with a machete but he will never betray you!

Na kwa mambo Fulani, Wakenya wanajulikana kwamba wao no wa kujipodoa tu lakini hawajiwezi mkifika huko! If you do not believe me, try a Mnyamwezi!
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written by emmo opoti , April 25, 2007
lol @ Baraza.

The thing is, Kenyans are often guilty of not comparing like-for-like. Tanzanians may not speak good English, and their exposure to the conveniences of the 20th Century may not be on par with your average Nairobian but they are definitely not asleep.

In many ways, they may even have an advantage. The Kenyan middle and upper classes are fat and sleepy (excelling in class) while the Tanzanian one is still very hungry. This is why for example Mwanza is rich while Nyanza is dirt poor. Our very advancement is now turning against us, as those with vested interests precude true progress in Kenya.

Did someone point out that there is no Mathare or Kibera in Tanzania? Or land clashes?

Kenyans English advantage is over-rated outside of the middle class, and most of us read just as little as Tanzanians and so are just as ignorant.
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written by Timothy Wainaina , April 25, 2007
First of let's pretend we take this seriously as Waruru does.
Here's a good little read

Anyway, I was just thinking how remarkable the differences are between our two countries1! Is this shift thing for real? Maybe it works, the President of the AU Parliament is Tanzanian, a UN Deputy Secretary General is Tanzanian, as is the Habitat boss.

Sure, sure Kenya's better off like Kenyatta, but the poor and landless, those whose English we could sit and make fun of, they would undoubtedly lead far better lives in Tanzania.

Did someone point out that there is no Mathare or Kibera in Tanzania? Or land clashes?

You could also point out that Tanzania does not beg food aid every year.
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written by Timothy Wainaina , April 25, 2007
First of let's pretend we take this seriously as Waruru does.
Here's a good read Anyway, I was just thinking how remarkable the differences are between our two countries! Is this shift thing for school attendance for real? Maybe it works, the President of the AU Parliament is Tanzanian, a UN Deputy Secretary General is Tanzanian, as is the Habitat boss. Sure, sure Kenya's better-off like Kenyatta, but the poor and landless, those whose English we could sit and make fun of, they would undoubtedly lead far better lives in Tanzania.
Did someone point out that there is no Mathare or Kibera in Tanzania? Or land clashes?
. You could also point out that Tanzania does not beg food aid every year.
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written by joe , April 25, 2007
i think with TZ people get facts wrong alot fist the propagation of kiswahili was not all nyerere's idea it was by the germans who used swahili as the language of administration. 2 the slave trade had a larger effect in TZ than in kneya and swahili was the language of that trade.

regarding economy this report may shed more light
http://www.sidint.org/files/report/SoEAR_2006.pdf
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written by kamau , April 25, 2007
How is it that in 2007 we are still using stereotypes to discuss issues? What is the relevance of “bad” or “good” Kenyan or Tanzania habit to the issues that affect both counties such as poverty and hunger?
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ditto kamau
written by Nekessa , April 25, 2007
thus my sarcasm above!!
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ignorance is bliss, NOT
written by Amina , April 26, 2007
While culture makes a people, we cannot be quick to dismiss a culture because it is different from ours. There are so many political and social aspects that we could be discussing.

Is that not what the rest of the world does to Africa? Let us not join that bandwagon.
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written by Waruru , April 26, 2007
Kenyans at it again! Too much yap yap. And how is berating one's own nation of help.
Logically put, you who yap out here, are among the few kenyans supposed to help the voters understand, from Nekessa's 'sarcasm that is misplaced.

Am not a man of numbers, neither am I a university graduate. I am a graduate of life, after attending 'Nairobi Streets Hard Knocks High School'.

Western countries are westernized as a result of barbarism: colonialism, slavery, terrorism... name it, not these idiotic ideas most of you want imposed on Kenya & Kenyans.
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stereotypes, bows and arrows
written by john ongeri , April 26, 2007
I was born in Dar of a Tanzanian mother and a Kenyan father. Having spent time in both countries I have found more similarities than differences between the peoples who are all struggling for a better future for their kids. These are the regular folk that you come into contact with on a daily basis.

Nekessa says: move away from the hustle of the cities and you will find a gentler and less stressed society.

Our thinkers and writers should have as their top priority proposing solutions to the endemic problems that face all our peoples instead of peddling cheap stereotypes of the my-dad-is-bigger-than your-dad variety, which sadly is the exercise here
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written by bex , April 27, 2007
i think comparing the two countries without appreciating the background is simplistic.
i think socialism played a major role in what TZ is today,
Nyerere became a national hero at uniting and fostering respect among Tanzanians when Kenyatta was busy grabbing land and sowing seeds of tribalism,

the other day i asked my friends, why are kenyans so tribal?

we all had one thing in common, we grew up during Moi's era and he would always say, shun tribalism....and we wondered, what is this tribalism, until it got stuck in our minds....

that argument maybe contested but in TZ, there were no such issues to grapple with..

i must disagree with Emmo when he says there are no slums in TZ, they call them Uswahilini,

i can authoritatively say that coz i have visited such areas in search of beauty, i would go there to plait my hair.

the level of poverty is equally biting..and they suffer as much as we do,

i would invite any doubting thomases to visit, Lindi, Mtwara, Kigoma regions, which i have had occassion to visit and you will have a story to tell...

i guess with or without the money, TZ has been able to do what kenyans have been unable to acheive socially.

but is that all?

its all rooted in the fighting spirit, the aggression, if you like...

in as much as i agree many TZ are kind and courteous, i know many who front that soft part and belt the fiercest insults in private.

like there was this time at a salon in Dar when this gal talked very nicely to a kenyan client,
then she quipped "Si wa kenya watafute refugee status Dar,"

then my friend pointed that am kenyan and we all laughed about it,
but the kenyan was bringing in business, she thought the hair dresser was genuinely nice but...

Ever wondered why some of the worst gangsters are reportedly Tanzanians??

its because society is all the same and the metamorphosis is the same.

one of my Nigerian friends told me that the crimes that kenya was committing is what they used to do in the 1970's.

its no wonder our criminals have gone hi-tech.

or can we argue that Kenya is better than Nigeria merely because they are at different levels or should we appreciate other underlying circumstances???

this is my opinion, not absolute

beckyit.blogspot.com
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written by Stunted Thinking , April 29, 2007
I once attended dinner hosted by a republican senator as a representative of International students, and had a chance of hobnobbing with the owner/Chairman of AmwAy International. I was foolishly trying to market Kenya, harping about its beauty and the 'big five' until he plainly told me, "No offence young lady, but I am not visiting any country poorer than the USA".

Not one to be brushed off easily, I went on to site our wealth in humanity, good mannerisms yadayada. To which he replied, "With such gapping poverty, hope, faith, and general tabia mzuri as known to most is expected".

I went back to think about it and it made alot of sense.

In any society where people are faced with the same tribulations, they will tend to unite in their misery.What bothers a tanzanian in mwanza is the same that bothers one in Dodoma.
It is this helplessness that drives Africans in their masses to churches, spending days on end channting and not losing hope. It is only hope and faith that is left to them.

Kenya has fast embraced capitalism,individualism, name it... and its up on its way. Something had to give, and it did. The social values so thought of and missed, am certain they once existed. Kenya is at another level, upwards in finding its niche among the world's players. Do I miss the values? yeah...occasionally, but would rather be without them but have a say in what westerners shove up my ends!

For those of us who have interacted with tanzanians, visited their country; poor and rich settings, claiming that Tanzanians are morally superior is obtuse.

The idea that they make better lovers too is misguided. But again, if young women are plucked from formal schools at teenage hood in preparation to pleasing husbands (take off for days with thier elderly relatives to study how to please men in bed) I wouldnt expect less.
The same approach to life has inflicted Native Mombasans on the Kenyan coast. It is known on the Island, a mtoka bara man who cheats with a digo woman will never return to his bara wife, unless he is uprooted from the island. Tell me, how many digos even go to school.

No single issue in society is independent of its environment. They feed on each other.

For those in love with numbers and calculations, STATISTICS IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR JUDGEMENT.



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