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Written by Daniel Waweru   
Tuesday, 11 March 2008

Yes, you should be nice to religious fundamentalists who defend their beliefs reasonably. Here's why.

Simon Blackburn, in this paper (via Crooked Timber), argues that 

We can respect, in the minimal sense of tolerating, those who hold false beliefs. We can pass by on the other side. We need not be concerned to change them, and in a liberal society we do not seek to suppress them or silence them. But once we are convinced that a belief is false, or even just that it is irrational, we cannot respect in any thicker sense those who hold it-not on account of their holding it. We may respect them for all sorts of other qualities, but not that one. We would prefer them to change their minds. The matter at hand is respecting religious believers whose belief, one believes, are false.

Harry Brighouse, at Crooked Timber, responds that he does respect Christian believers. That respect consists in:

  1. some general, hard to define, pro-attitude to them holding that belief (and no preference that they change it).
  2. a genuine interest in their foundational religious commitments and practices. A
  3.  highly skeptical willingness to consider, and reconsider, our disagreements, if occasion arises (highly skeptical not because I am closed minded, but because I have over the course of a so-far middle-lengthed life, already given them a great deal of consideration, and have a settled view, so would be surprised if it were to change now).

The respect is justified :

What underlies this respect? Some sort of judgment about the condition in which the person holds the sincere belief. Suppose I knew that there was a decisive proof of the non-existence of God that could easily be grasped by the person, and to which they had access. Then, certainly, I would not respect their holding the belief, but would think them either irrational or dishonest. But there is no such decisive proof. Suppose I thought that their belief were merely a rationalization of their own self-interest, or were something they used to justify a sense of superiority over others. Well, I do think this about some Christians, and I do not respect them. But I do not think this about all, or even most, Christians. Rather, I think that some Christians (the ones whose adherence to Christianity I respect) have genuine faith in God, which, though not rationally supportable, is not excluded by straightforward canons of rationality, and their faith is sincere and would survive testing and careful reflection. In that respect it is not unlike my belief in the basic decency of most human beings and our ability radically to improve the quality of social institutions.The condition is something like this. It is possible to respect someone's holding of a false belief if you believe that the person is someone of good will, and who has deliberated carefully, and honestly holds the belief given their non-irresponsible reflection on that deliberation and their personal experience 

The condition, I want to suggest, is too narrow. Even if one knows that there is a direct proof for the non-existence of God, and one knows that the Christian believer knows it, it seems to me that if there are good reasons for the claim that God exists, and one has reason to believe that the Christian believer's belief is caused by these reasons, then the believer remains worthy of respect. (On the ground that his belief  has been arrived at rationally). That there is decisive evidence for a proposition doesn't make those who do not believe it (or those who believe its negation) irrational.

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written by Stephen Wanyama , March 12, 2008
Bwana Waweru,
I was recently visiting with friends and chanced a conversation between my hosts and a Greek Housemate of theirs. The Housemate was Greek Orthodox, one of my friends was a Christian fundamentalist and the third a lukewarm adherent of one of our now less than fashionable syncretic faiths and the last a Hindu.

For some reason many European people believe that most black people are Muslim, so imagine the spectacle of my friends arguing about whether my black friend (the syncretic) was ashamed of being Muslim or not. The white girl, a Christian , and the Hindu finally conceded and started to inquire on this strange and never heard of Southern African faith. Well, on and on it went, until the Orthodox girl asked,' Has your god come to earth?' Sheepishly my friend answers, 'yes!', and then for good measure she says, 'and she was a woman.' She goes on, to explain how, in the way of these things, her god had taken the form of a human being and in the 1940s-1969 manifested herself in the body of this healer.

The shock and disbelief at the heresy was visible in all the other three girls. That recently? A woman? Miracles? After a period of haggling, during which 'respect' for the 'animist' and her faith was regained, the conversation turned to the Greek girl who the fundie accused of praying like a Muslim (the prostrations) and of idol worship (the icons). The congregation now turned on her, and the very silent Hindu girl and warned them of the consequences of idol worship- it has been written in the Bible, etc. It reminded me of a book I had been given at the beginning of the rise of Christian fundamentalism in Kenya in the early 1990s. In it various people among them Freemasons, Madonna, Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses and of course Hindus and Buddhists had been declared Devil Worshippers.

This is the world of faith, a hierarchy of superstitions. Even those of holding on to the most backward, irrational scientifically unsound views (the six day creation, the burning bush, the virgin birth, water into wine, the trinity and so on) can confidently declare that God's spirit was not in Alice Lakwena! Consider the attitude among most of us of people who visit a witchdoctor and then compare it with our attitude to those who attend confession. Why do we respect one and not the other? Why do we look down on Mungiki, Legio Maria and Dini ya Musambwa but think Buddhism is cool? What is the average Kenyan's opinion on Islam? What is the average Muslim's view of Christianity? Which is more improbable, the Islamic view of Jesus or the Christian one?

It seems to me that what we faiths we respect and what we do not, is based not on what we know but what we believe. The harshest atheists, like Dennett or Dawkins, retain at their core a fundamentalism immediately recognisable as not too different from that of the religious fundamentalist.

However, it seems to me that an honest respect of something I know to be a false belief cannot but be hypocritical. This is why for example I would not respect, if I was Haile Selassie, the notion that I was somehow divine. On the other hand it would be intellectually dishonest and arrogant not to respect a position I did not know to be false simply because it challenged my own beliefs. So I do not respect many of the beliefs my friends hold because they are ridiculous, it does not follow that I am an avowed atheist or even a materialist (I am not) but I know that most of our modern religions are lies, and in the same way that I would be dismissive, even disrespectful towards those who believed that a comet was coming to take them home to Jesus, so would I be dismissive of any of the Abrahimic faiths. Why? Because I can readily disprove them.

This is not to say I would be rude or aggressive towards anyone who chose to practise these faiths, or that I would even engage in disabusing them of their comforts. Like Brighouse, been there done that and I suppose if they are not hurting or imposing on anyone, then I can respect their holding their views. The repugnance of fundamentalism and the ugly intolerance of certainty are the same on me the 'unbeliever and kafiri' as they are on a Christian, a Muslim or a Hindu. Like most other people, you will find me somewhere along the respect spectrum, between rage and tolerance.
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reasonableness
written by Daniel.Waweru , March 12, 2008
Stev-O,

Yes, what faiths we respect is determined by our beliefs; I hoped to justify the thought that once one recognises that some religious belief has been arrived at rationally, it is reasonable to respect its holder. You're correct to argue that there are beliefs which couldn't have been arrived at rationally, the dispute then turns on which beliefs are in that category.

Familiar kinds of religious belief aren't; the beliefs associated with the Abrahamic religions, in particular, aren't obviously irrational. So it seems reasonable to respect their holders.

That respect wouldn't be hypocritical: in showing respect for the holder of the belief, one is showing respect for some person's exercise of their rational capacities; since one can rationally believe something which is in fact false, that the belief is false doesn't entail that it hasn't been reasonably arrived at.
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Belief & Politics
written by Keguro , March 12, 2008
As I understand it, the "conflict" arises not from whether or not one's belief is rational or worthy of respect, but how one's relationship to that belief shapes a world-view. In the U.S. for instance, the "problem" with Christian fundamentalists has less to do with the fact of their belief, than in their trying to legislate that belief, to turn faith-based claims into law.

The same thing, I would argue, applies to other religions. It's the moment when the ostensible church/state divide is breached, or even religion/secularity divide, that friction happens.
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written by Stephen Wanyama , March 14, 2008
Bw. Waweru,
Mzee, come on, come on. There is something to be said of the seductive familiarity of the Ibrahimic faiths but they are both in doctrine and tradition not far in their ridiculous nature from say Dini ya Msambwa. I watched recently on Albionian television a show from one of those American faiths of the desert. Well a pious old man suddenly decided he had the spirit of God in him. He had wisdom, vision and great charisma and in no time had inveigled the entire village of his ordination by Heaven herself. Does this not sound a lot like an Ibrahimic prophet/ messiah? It is really quite the same, although distilled through centuries of sagacious Church fathers and the traditions of such thinkers and reformers as Loyola, Augustine, Ibn Rushd and such, we are begged to see Ibrahimic religion in a much more favourable light. It would be nice to ponder the small fact that these faiths draw all their myths (Alexander hail here for Karen Armstrong) from the same pool of Near and Middle-Eastern myth that begat the faiths they deemed pagan and primitive. Cf. Osiris/Jesus/the Green Man(the equinox is almost upon us) for example.

Now being something of a conservative iconoclast, I will attempt to say, without contradiction, that I find established religion to be a most benign force for the shepherding of the souls of men. However, there is something profoundly anti-intellectual about belief in what are demonstrably false premises, about entertaining hopes purveyed by crooks and charlatans and faiths built almost entirely on the whims and talents of men and the cudgels of men pushing cuius regio, eius religio. These are the men (and women) to respect- even when one does not agree with them, the Elijah Masindes, Alice Lakwenas, Buddhas, St Pauls, Joseph Smiths, Justinians, Calvins, Knoxes and Mohammeds.

Keguro, I was very tempted to speak politics too. Intolerant hectoring religion is of course repugnant. Others would say they like it that their friends believe, but not too strongly. Too much certainty, in something one oughtn't or cannot be sure about is anti-intellectual and therefore difficult to demand respect for. This takes us back to Blackburn's paper. The imposition of one's choices on another, calls for resistance and the greatest disrespect. Every human being (even children) should have a choice of their favourite fairy tales.
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irrational beliefs
written by observer , March 14, 2008
The older I get, the more I come into the realization that human beings are at their core fundamentally irrational. Beliefs and life philosophies based on empirical evidence are the exception and can only go so far.

I guess my question is how to coexist and build a model for living with irrational beliefs without us hacking each other to death. Maybe getting to the root cause of irrational beliefs would be great in learning to live with them. I read the God Delusion and I thought the guy came off as an atheist fundamentalist.
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not blind but don\'t see
written by jayawardene , March 15, 2008
What a fantastic discussion. It seems to me that respect for others' beliefs however far-fetched should be encouraged as long as one simple proviso is met:

These beliefs must not be about preaching hate against anyone else and may never be imposed against others of differing views.

Waweru, Wanyama, Keguro and Observer; you all talk of beliefs and faiths interchangeably. One definition says faith is:
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence and therefore defies any form of critical analysis

A clear example of how all humans react irrationally when it comes to matters of faith is how we in our own country give prominence to the leaders of the 2 main "abrahamic religions" even though we "know" that one of them has got the message soooo wrong.
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written by Warorua , March 15, 2008
Human beings have the phenomenal capacity to believe in things, ideals and doctrines that may seem illogical even irrational under scrutiny.

A person may win an argument over the illogical impossiblity of another's faith/belief/religion and lose out in his own ideology on life and perhaps his perception of himself with regards to others.

Everyone has the right to believe what they chose to believe as long as they do not impose on another person's right to believe or not believe whatsoever they chose to believe or not believe.

Sadly, tolerance is short in supply and so is respect for other people's choices.
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squibble, squibble
written by Daniel.Waweru , March 15, 2008
Stevo

Hmm, I'll squibble (your neologism is catchy, and catching) with the conclusion that Abrahamic faiths are relevantly similar to dini ya msambwa. What follows is epistemic stuff, for the question of respect doesn't seem to turn on the truth or falsehood of the belief, but rather on whether the belief is justified or not.

First, arguing from the Near-Eastern mythical origins of the Abrahamic faiths to their falsehood looks like an instance of the genetic fallacy: the origins of a belief are tend not to determine its truth or falsehood (or even whether it's justified or not).

Setting aside issues regarding whether myth can be a surce of explanations, it's worth thinking about just what the proper target of assessment is. If it is the individual believer's belief, then, given that rationality is sensitive to context, all the individual beliver has to show is that she's made good use of the rational capacities available to her: a 14-year old whose belief in God rests on her parents' testimony is quite rational, especially if her parents' testimony is usually reliable in other matters. If the target of assessment is the body of religious belief itself, then examining Abrahamic theology is unavoidable. But (i) that theology is not at a significant disadvantage to any comparably comprehensive metaphysic, and (ii) a bewildering variety of rational, well-informed people down the ages have found it possible to believe it (vide Augustine, Thomas, and, for an East African example, Zara Yacob), all of which suggests that it is at least rationally defensible, and therefore worthy of respect. Either way, then, Abrahamic religions qualify for respect.
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legal or moral?
written by observer , May 02, 2008
I draw a distinction between what is moral and what is illegal. It may not be illegal to sleep with your adult sister but it is immoral. Religious tolerance to me is a legal issue in that it is protected under the constitution and its arguments should be addressed from purely legal perspective. The government should never be in the business of implanting moral values in my view. Religious belief is at its core illogical and I cant see how it can be argued in a court of law.
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