Let them kill each other
written by chameleon , January 27, 2008

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Feel free to gloat about the violence elsewhere.

-Eds-

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written by Vikii , January 28, 2008

Let us face it good people; This violence is not about elections, it has never been. This violence is about dangerously power-hungry and immoral politicians taking advantage of their primitive supporters and communities to ignite hatred and massacre. It is about two politicians tenaciously clinging to the only remaining straw(violence and intimidation) that would preserve their clearly threatened political relevance.

It is bad. It is is outdated and it is no longer bearable. All the excuses being spewed left, right and centre---rigged poll, unfair domination by the kikuyus in the economic, social and political spheres, disproportionate government appointments are just that--excuses. I am suprised those in the Rift Valley who appear to be the loudest were dead silent when Moi stucked every job opening with preliterate mobs from his village. Did we not have 75% of Kenyan DCs being Kalenjins and illiterate Kalenjins for that matter? Was the Kenya Medical Trainning College not polluted with barely qualified students from Rift Valley through the patronage of William Boit? How about that nasty police accent, was it not as a result of Kiganjo being reduced into a holiday camp for those from koibatek? Why did we not kill them? Lemmie say this; If I were Kibaki, I would have done exactly what he did---fire all those who obtained their positions unfairly. The only difference would be my sackings would have been on a larger scale than Kibaki's.

Violence is whack. It is unacceptable. But what really is sick is the double standards politicians employ when commenting on the violence. William Ruto is now seeing the need to stop violence after his tribesmen were targeted these last two days in nakuru and Naivasha. Raila Odinga is now playing the ethnic card when his tribesmen are flushed out from public buses and hacked to death. He sees that as more condemable than the 35 women and children who were burned in an Eldoret church. I am from one of the few areas enjoying some calm in Kenya and it is not something I am proud of. My tribe could be one of the least affected by the violence. But I will not shy away from pointing at Raila Odinga's and William Ruto's clear encouragement to their communities to eliminate the kikuyus. You will never convince me that the deaths of the last two days are any more important than those of the women in Eldoret. At least the perpetrators of this weekend's violence are on a revenge mission!

Those who keep calling for a re-run are just strange. How will that stop the violence? Do you honestly expect the outcome of such a re-run to signal the true will of the people when people are that desfranchised by being herded into concentration camps? And then finally, on what basis should we have another election? The President was elected to serve for five years not a month.

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written by a guest , January 28, 2008

Any one who is for peace is a mediator. Mediators do not take sides.They do not go the "quick fix" way of calling for peace without establishing and dealing with the root cause of problems. What we should be asking for now is calm as the root cause of this problem is probed and dealt with exaustively to reach a lasting solution. Whilst calm can be acquired within minutes or hours peace can only be achieved with time, after satisfying the angry souls with truth and justice; remember, the truth will always set you free. Stop pointing fingers at Raila and Ruto and find a way of brokering for that "PEACE" you stand for.

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written by Vikii , January 28, 2008

Just for the record, I am for peace, Roni. What I do not like is this Raila, Ruto and their supporters stupid act of playing smart than everybody else. We called for peace all over and when we expected Raila Odinga, someone who claims to be a national leader to speak out against ethnic cleansing, he went ahead and defended the same on international TV. The same thing with the average guy called Ruto. They should shut up the same way they did when Kikuyus were being killed by their supporters in Rift Valley. Raila said on BBc Hardtalk that the Eldoret arsonists were frustrated Kenyans after being being denied the right to choose who to govern them. I agree with him, but I also consider the Nakuru murderers the same. Just like Kivuitu said, we should not think we are more Kenyan than anybody else because honestly that would be lying to ourselves.

STOP ENCOURAGING KILLINGS
written by Roni , January 28, 2008

VIKII - What if Moi did ABCD? Do you mean that Kibaki or Raila or whichever president that is in power should continue with EFGH as Moi did? If you are raped today, would you want your daughter to be raped tommorow because the mother was raped too? Although this Forum is meant for each and everyone of us to freely express our views, I do not believe that views like the one written by you (VIKII) above are of any significance at this point in time. Should the killings in Nakuru and Naivasha be allowed to continue and be justified because it is a revenge mission? If Raila and Ruto ordered for the killings in Rift valley then tell us who is behind Nakuru and Naivasha killings. Whether revengeful or not they are killings of innocent law abiding tax paying mothers, fathers and sons of Kenya who did not deserve to die in the manner they met their death. Let us all wake up, whether we are from a small tribe or town or place enjoying peace or not. Remember that initially, Nakuru and Naivasha enjoyed those peaceful moments that you are enjoying now VIKII, an eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

Let us use this forum constructively and not destructively.

Playing Smart
written by Eva , January 28, 2008

Roni,
Vikii is not wrong when she writes that Raila and Ruto just call for killings to stop when people from their tribes are being affected. They should stop playing smart, and should rather show that they feel affected. The game is over we have noted the way they are acting, and they should stop if peace has to prevail in this country.

We can't call what happened in Nakuru "revenge"; Kikuyus have just gotten tired of their properties being destroyed and their people being killed, so when they were attacked again in Nakuru they had to protect themselves.

(Be very careful not to justify wanton acts of violence against innocents as "self-protection". We will not tolerate any such attempt here, be it open or disguised. Eds.)

This is becoming terrible and I believe most of this people who are doing this terrible things do not read this web site, it is just a few people who do. To those few people who read it Please, please my dear Kenyans lets go to our knees and ask God to shower our people with love so that peace can prevail in Kenya.

(Edited a bit for clarity and sense. Ed.)

The truth is that there are se
written by a guest , January 29, 2008

Moi rigged elections against Matiba and Kibaki but Kikuyus never took it out on kalenjins.The idea of killing another human being because of election results is indeed a very primitive and deluded thought.The amazing thing is that the peasants who are involved in this mess have no idea they are being used by their wealthy tribal lords who live in karen and the leafy nairobi surburbs.These wealthy bustards live in the same neighborhoods regardless of political affiliation and the neighborhoods are well guarded.

re: The truth is that there ar
written by a guest , January 29, 2008

Moi rigged elections against Matiba and Kibaki but Kikuyus never took it out on kalenjins.The idea of killing another human being because of election results is indeed a very primitive and deluded thought.The amazing thing is that the peasants who are involved in this mess have no idea they are being used by their wealthy tribal lords who live in karen and the leafy nairobi surburbs.These wealthy bustards live in the same neighborhoods regardless of political affiliation and the neighborhoods are well guarded.

Kibaki should have known well that kenyans are more mature, politically and that rigging is totally unacceptable. by the was moi was a genious when it came to rigging but the way kibaki did it he took stupidity to the next level.

The truth is that there
written by Mzalendo , January 29, 2008

Moi rigged elections against Matiba and Kibaki but Kikuyus never took it out on kalenjins.The idea of killing another human being because of election results is indeed a very primitive and deluded thought.The amazing thing is that the peasants who are involved in this mess have no idea they are being used by their wealthy tribal lords who live in karen and the leafy nairobi surburbs.These wealthy bustards live in the same neighborhoods regardless of political affiliation and the neighborhoods are well guarded.

Kibaki should have known well that kenyans are more mature, politically and that rigging is totally unacceptable. by the was moi was a genious when it came to rigging but the way kibaki did it he took stupidity to the next level.

we all seem to know that the polls had serious issues. The presence of 600 bodies in mortuaries is proof of this.
I will not debt on this issue cv all. What i do need to know is this: when our politicians ask Kofi Annan to stop doing humanitarian work and concentrate on political settlement, what do they mean? That siasa is more important than lives md kenyans?