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Written by Bosibori Ndemo   
Monday, 26 February 2007

The Nation Newspaper on Thursday reported a schism between the twelve African Anglican provinces and their parent organisation the Church of England. 

The ardent opposition led by Nigerian and Kenyan Archbishops Peter Akinola and Benjamin Nzimbi was galvanized by the ordination of the openly gay Bishop Gene Robinson of the Episcopalian Diocese of New Hampshire in the USA.

Smothered by a battery of camera armed journalists, dissonant interjections and anxious hands cloud the upscale New York Manhattan Metropolitan club. The Most Reverend Peter Akinola remains calm and unyielding in defending the position of his African flock. His antipathy against the ordination of gay or lesbian clergy and his derison of same sex unions as tantamount to affiliating with baboons and cows, which at other occasions he had denoted as bestiality and Western slavery, has ignited uproars from the Northern Christian liberals and the GLB communities. His conservative Christian stance together with that of numerous other African Archbishops may be the crisis that marks the end of centuries of the intercontinental amalgamation of the Anglican Church. 

"Time" Magazine named Archbishop Akinola as one of the top 100 most influential revolutionaries in the world, and attributes the partial preservation of Nigeria's democracy to him . His has proved to be such a powerful religious and civic voice that he has not only been instrumental in addressing corruption and accountability issues in the Nigerian government, but was a valiant protestor against the president Olesegun Obasanjo's attempt at an unconstitutional third term. His announcement that the African Provinces were prepared to forego financial assistance from the liberal Northern churches that play the hegemonic role of providence and who support homosexuality reinforced his undying opposition. His zeal for uncompromising truth and accountability etches out a pragmatic prototype for African leaders. 

Under Rev Akinola's leadership, the Anglican Church of Nigeria has gained many new members. Since his ordination in the late 1980s, they have outnumbered the community of the mother church (The Church Of England) and have gained him considerable clout and recognition as a stupendous leader in the Southern hemisphere.  Though his stance may be justified from a religious point of view, Archbishop Akinola is no exception to the affliction common with most inspirational leaders, who slowly become inebriated with the power and following they wield.

He actively took part in proposing a bill that accrued a colossal following from Christians as well as Muslims in the Nigerian parliament in 2006, and which would stipulate a minimum 5 years jail term for homosexuals and their sympathizers. This has sparked myriad accusations of bigotry and sexual discrimination by human rights agencies and NGOs worldwide, as well as by many more liberal clerics.

That a religious leader should advocate for laws that implicitly exacerbate hatred and discrimination towards a certain group of people, goes against the indiscriminate and non-condescending fellowship of Christianity, and is seem by many as undermining the integral liberties, in the wake of human right violations and the harsh capital punishment in Nigeria, as well as Africa. This might be an indication that he is be stretching his persistent right wing rigidity too far. This move not only spells out a separatist, schismatic attitude to his followers, and a implies misconstrued infallibility of the mainstream heterosexual population, but also contradicts the spirit of brotherhood and the purpose of the church as a place of refuge for all. Mutual respect in this regard should be imparted by religious leaders as well as political leaders.





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written by aeichener , February 26, 2007
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Ad leones!

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written by Honey , February 27, 2007
It is a place of refuge for those who truly seek God, not for those who want to corrupt those close to God.

The Human rights' activitism ought to support both sides: What of us who are being violated by the LGQT groups?

Propagation of the human race is threatened? How come no one is looking at this/unwilling to fight for this?

We fight to protect the environment, frogs, hippos, birds, trees: why not marriage as it is known? Between a man and a woman.

Mr. Ethridge (Lesbian) in her oscar allowance speech was thankful to her 'wife' and their four children.

It was literally, and practically flawed.
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written by emmo opoti , February 27, 2007
As usual, hatred in all its disgusting forms.

Bosibori,
Again you take that rare higher path which all those billions professing faith would do well to walk. It is at the core of Christianity, its very most important precept, that love is the greatest value of all. Christianity was never intended as a means of lobbying for and legislating against the happiness of others.

Akinola and the other aptly named primates he rolls with ought to be ashamed of themselves. Their poisonous views sully any good work they do elsewhere. The Gay and Lesbian issue is about Civil Rights, and the faster 'we' Africans get with the times the better for our spirit.
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Clerical Thugs
written by aeichener , February 27, 2007
Emmo:

Have you ever witnessed a flock of raging baboons, the elder males baring their teeth, hissing, jumping up and down and thumping their chests?

Add a chasuble and a mitre, and that exactly is the picture displayed by most of the African primates. Thugs with a crocier and a thurible, instead of panga and rungu, waiting for victims to pounce upon. *Sigh*

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written by Tim Norwood , February 27, 2007
It is a place of refuge for those who truly seek God, not for those who want to corrupt those close to God.

The Human rights' activitism ought to support both sides: What of us who are being violated by the LGQT groups?
Propagation of the human race is threatened? How come no one is looking at this/unwilling to fight for this?
We fight to protect the environment, frogs, hippos, birds, trees: why not marriage as it is known? Between a man and a woman.


How very foolish!!
Are you close to God then? Nothing you have published here shows that. To cut out the ad hom., now

Why cannot a person be gay and religious, even pious, as I am sure these gay bishops are?
Why do you think you will be 'corrupted' by gays? Something itching to come out, perhaps?
How are you being violated by gays and lesbians? Any attack you? or do they forcefully introduce sexual thoughts into your mind?
Propagation of the human race threatened? Last I heard,many gays and lesbians were keen to form families and many are adopting children heterosexuals would not care to have.

I am sure you got straight from your village and into the USA. One cauldron of ignorance into another one. Was it you that said blacks were pre-disposed to HIV infection? Is being gay also a disease?
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written by aeichener , February 27, 2007
Here is the link to the official Communiqué of the Primates' Meeting in Dar es Salaam 19th February 2007:
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Hahahaha! TIm Norwood.
written by Honey , February 27, 2007
Not sure about foolish, ahem.

Mr. Norwood Screaming yourself hourse will not change the facts that I know about homosexual character. It is not a genetic pre-disposition, never was.
Mutants? most likely, but no hard theory.

To set the record straight, I recall posting that robbers of the Matheri Calibre were most likely pre-destined to be so. By a simple check on his undertakings, nothing shows why he chose the path he did. Please, allow yourself not to forget that the young rogue had a line of 'wives' from Athi River to Thika, all victims of his pathetic mind. My first thought was he had suffered severe brain damage in child hood.

I will apologise at this point: I am not one to chant 'Human rights' in cases that dont deserve.

Misologist: One who hates reasoning.

Ladies and men, I strongly beleive that the idea here is NOT to rhyme 'aye' to any one's thoughts, nor is it to simply accept anything that is mainstream, just because it is. I beleive we have minds of our own.
I am a christian: to be exact, catholic (I can smell someone already saying 'paedophiles'), and have no problem saying:

"Homosexuality is not God's intention. I do not necessarily hate those who have chosen that route, but do argue that I should not be forced to accept the pseudoscience"

What is the case for the Bisexuals? No one seems to answer that question.
Pretty soon alcoholism will be an alternative of living too.
We can either name call, or cite our theories and give evidences.

Just because Bush said there were WMD in Iraq a jebillionth times did not make them sprout there.
I rest my case.
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written by Honey , February 27, 2007
Mr. Norwood, forgive my asking, and what is exactly wrong with coming from the village and straight to America?

Do you imply that ruralites are ignorant?

I am so proud of it, and to ensure so, I am faithfully clothed by the designer label 'Villager'.

Am I bursting cocoons?
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Metamorphosis
written by aeichener , February 27, 2007
Am I bursting cocoons?


Why - are we seeing colourful butterflies emerging?

Alexander
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written by Honey , February 27, 2007
Very soon.

Spring is almost here, and colorful butterflies will be awash, as oceans glitter, and streams of Gold burst with joy.

Note that
cracking cocoons before their due time brings out unsightly larvae/maggots.
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Hahaha, Honey
written by That Kenyan Loser , February 28, 2007
It is a place of refuge for those who truly seek God, not for those who want to corrupt those close to God.


I laugh when I hear Africans call on God as the reason to deny others their rights. It's time to abandon this illogical fear-based manipulation that has been used to oppress us for centuries.

Let's go back to the days we lived freely without any tribe thinking it was better than others. I'm not saying that we were peaceful before the God (I feel a little irritated that I have to capitalize the "G"smilies/wink.gif you so passionately speak of invaded Africa. We had conflicts, but no tribe went to the other saying, "You worship the Mountain? We are going to pound your head until you accept praying to our Sun."

Pray to your God and let those of us who don't believe in him rot in hell.

And if you are so close to God, Honey, why should you be wary of those trying to corrupt you? Isn't He the Almighty? Shouldn't you let Him handle it for you?

Let people live their lives. If gay couples (can I call them that, or is "couple" reserved for heterosexuals?) burst into your house to have sex on your sofa, please call me. I will be the first to help you lynch them, not for being gay, but for interfering with your live.

Stay sweet

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Believe me.
written by Honey , February 28, 2007
I have no problem with them. The beauty of this is that the creator allowed us such choices.

I am treated to everyday protests. From the White House, to my local 'Washington', to school hallways. I have no peace. I also refuse to pay segregation fees that enhance their activities as an organization. Why should I be forced to pay for this? Christians can no longer pray in schools, right, why should I pay for LGQTB issues when I totally disagree?

I believe we anti-homos have no problem with our brothers, as long as they do not try so hard to make us accept their views.

We disagree with the acts, not the people. We cannot have schools and govts make decisions depending on bedroom issues, that is wrong.

I think homos are selfish too.They want tax breaks for their unions, yet have no chance of raising families of their own, why get tax breaks when they don't have to diaper like everyone else (this point is hazy).
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written by Hon , February 28, 2007
Well, that is your view. I simply disagree.

Why do gay people want to raise other people's children?

I also think it should be fair to let those who defend Christianity do so.
Matter of fact, Mr. Cameorn has just discovered the bones of Jesus, his son and wife Magdalene, or so he claims. That is his theory. Xtians have never been bashed as they are today.

Well, am catholic, and we dont exactly condemn sinful people. It is about you and your God.

If The cross cannot be dispalyed in Public, I beleive gay movement associations need not be ads.
I THINK THIS ARGUMENT IS ENDLESS, SO WE JUST LEAVE IT THERE.
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don\'t stop
written by jacie , February 28, 2007
you guyz were going at it and it was so refreshing what with you two being so passionate about the topic.
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re: Believe me.
written by That Kenyan Loser , February 28, 2007
Honey, please!

Listen to yourself, hear the hatred that comes from your pure Christian heart. Did you just call them "homos?"

Schools can't fund Christianity because it is a religion. You don't see "homos" going around asking people to join same-sex clubs, do you?

Gay is not a religion. You say, "the creator allowed us such choices." Who are you then to contradict him?

Tell you what? We would fund your Holy clubs if you guaranteed us that you will not come to us telling us how sinful we live.

Concerning marriage and parenting, I think the anti-gay are afraid gays will put them to shame. Look at how many marriages have ended up on the rocks in the U.S. Oh! I know what you're gonna say to that, "blame the homos."



I have no problem with them. The beauty of this is that the creator allowed us such choices.

I am treated to everyday protests. From the White House, to my local 'Washington', to school hallways. I have no peace. I also refuse to pay segregation fees that enhance their activities as an organization. Why should I be forced to pay for this? Christians can no longer pray in schools, right, why should I pay for LGQTB issues when I totally disagree?

I believe we anti-homos have no problem with our brothers, as long as they do not try so hard to make us accept their views.

We disagree with the acts, not the people. We cannot have schools and govts make decisions depending on bedroom issues, that is wrong.

I think homos are selfish too.They want tax breaks for their unions, yet have no chance of raising families of their own, why get tax breaks when they don't have to diaper like everyone else (this point is hazy).

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written by That Kenyan Loser , February 28, 2007
I respect your dissenting view.

Why would anyone want to raise other people's children? I don't know, but I can speculate: Considering many a good Christian are having babies out of wedlock (hint: The Most Reverend Jesse Jackson), someone has to step in and save the poor little souls from becoming Chokoras.

Christians are not "under attack," they are on the offensive.

But let's just say they were, won't it be great to see them swallow the bitter pill they have been forcing down the throats of the majority of people in this world?

And, don't get me started on Catholics. Let me know if you need me to recommend some literature.


Well, that is your view. I simply disagree.

Why do gay people want to raise other people's children?

I also think it should be fair to let those who defend Christianity do so.
Matter of fact, Mr. Cameorn has just discovered the bones of Jesus, his son and wife Magdalene, or so he claims. That is his theory. Xtians have never been bashed as they are today.

Well, am catholic, and we dont exactly condemn sinful people. It is about you and your God.

If The cross cannot be dispalyed in Public, I beleive gay movement associations need not be ads.
I THINK THIS ARGUMENT IS ENDLESS, SO WE JUST LEAVE IT THERE.

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rabble rouser
written by Kamau , February 28, 2007
With all the sh&t Africans are experiencing, the Anglican Church has seen it fit to make gays the ideological battle that splits their church?
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More faith, less hatred
written by aeichener , February 28, 2007
Quoting Bonnie Anderson, President of the House of Deputies of the CoE:

"In recent times, however, we have spent too much of our time, talent and treasure debating if we ought to deny some people a place at the table to which Jesus calls us all. Instead, we must listen to each other - really listen and not just read reports - so that we can hear the voice of the Holy Spirit moving through all of us and calling us to be more faithful."
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written by Honey , February 28, 2007
When it comes to paying taxes, and knowing what my segregation fee does, I simply do not want it going towards LGQTB activities.

Jesus invites us to the table, wonderful, those are heavennly issues. However, while we live on earth, we must deal with earthly ones.

On the Human rights issue, I think the advocates also need to answer this one:
On adopting children 'they' cannot bare (completely out of selfishness), how does one come to the conclusion that a child prefers same sex parents?

Saying homosexual homes are as good as any due to the love this 'homo' angels seem to have brought in this 'rotten' world can only be likened to the effects of 'separate but equal' education system of the dirty South in the 50's.

It took several years to prove that the segregation was disabling to children. am 150% certain, homo-raised children will come to this one day!
Sit, put, and watch!

Lastly, where is the hate in the word 'Homosexuals', the is the right term.

I still ask, what is the case for the Bisexuals
Plain tabia mbaya and poor choices.
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re: rabble rouser
written by That Kenyan Loser , March 01, 2007
Go figure!
You raise a good question: Are gay people the biggest threat -- assuming they are -- to the poor people of our continent?



With all the sh&t Africans are experiencing, the Anglican Church has seen it fit to make gays the ideological battle that splits their church?

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written by That Kenyan Loser , March 01, 2007
Honey please,
Here is something I posted last month in the Gay Debate, if you missed it.

Some of the most vicious opponents of gays and lesbians are homosexuals in denial. It happens everyday. Just recently in the U.S. a Republican congressman (most are anti-gay bible people) was busted sending sexually-charged messages to boys. A few months earlier, a clergyman in Colorado admitted he was gay.

Those of us opposing the rights of gay people should be careful, especially if we are basing our arguments--if we can call our emotionally-driven rants arguments--on what God says.

Some allege that a western concept is being forced on us. The bible, which many of us are using as a book of reference on this and may issues, is foreign tool, my friend. In fact, the way it was presented to us was by force. I don't see anyone coming to Kenya, gun in hand, forcing anyone to be gay or lesbian.

Furthermore, to say that people choose to be gay because of influence from the West is to assume that all gay people in Kenya have knowledge of Western culture. I come from rural Kenya and know people who are gay and don't know how to read or write, let alone what Western culture is.

Gays and lesbians are and have been everywhere the human race inhabits. It's just recently that they have become outspoken about their rights. Anyone thinking that they are going away is mistaken.

Round them up and imprison them, as some have suggested, but that will not get rid of them. Because they are everywhere, my friends.

They are your friends, brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, aunts, children, even parents. They are unwillingly marrying heterosexuals to avoid persecution by loved ones. The result: broken marriages and dysfunctional families.
#End#

When it comes to paying taxes, and knowing what my segregation fee does, I simply do not want it going towards LGQTB activities.

Jesus invites us to the table, wonderful, those are heavennly issues. However, while we live on earth, we must deal with earthly ones.

On the Human rights issue, I think the advocates also need to answer this one:
On adopting children 'they' cannot bare (completely out of selfishness), how does one come to the conclusion that a child prefers same sex parents?

Saying homosexual homes are as good as any due to the love this 'homo' angels seem to have brought in this 'rotten' world can only be likened to the effects of 'separate but equal' education system of the dirty South in the 50's.

It took several years to prove that the segregation was disabling to children. am 150% certain, homo-raised children will come to this one day!
Sit, put, and watch!

Lastly, where is the hate in the word 'Homosexuals', the is the right term.

I still ask, what is the case for the Bisexuals
Plain tabia mbaya and poor choices.

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Missed the point
written by Honey , March 01, 2007
I beleive I have not quoted the bible, neither have I suggested anything related to western influences.

I have also NOT, indicated that homos be extinguished.

I beleive the response above is deep ingrained (i.e the thought that anyone opposing LGQTB protests wants to kill them), and it is the same I have heard all over. No one really takes time to reason through the lies.
Like murder, or prostitution, or robbery, or dictatorship, it will not go away: That does not mean that anyone has to accept it.

I simply want any of you to tell me what is the excuse for bisexuals and the trans
LGTQB should also stop lying that it is a scientific phenomenon.

Lastly Homos make their case lack credibility by accepting bisexuals as part of their umbrella group.

This People need shrinks, not rights to misbehave!

Let Homos live their life, let Christians live their lives, period. And christian life includes condemning homos, we can't do anything about it.
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written by emmo opoti , March 01, 2007
Yes, honey many things do not seem to go away! :confused:

Anyhow, I do not see why you are so bitter against gays.

It is necessary here to seek to harmonise the principles of liberty and equality before the law. These are not necessarily to be weighed against each other, picking one and discarding the other. We would all be offended or at least irritated by overt displays of affection, nudity, sex in public areas, whether these were conducted by mice or men is immaterial.

Merely being gay is not an emblem of some sort of sexual fundamentalism or deviance in Kenyan parlance (seems popular even in the media). It is vital to distinguish those who simply seek to be respeted and treated as an equal human being (hence the analogy with the black man or woman) and those others who seek to impose their views on the public.

All the same, as a correspondent above has suggested, this is absolutely none of the Church's business. After all extra-marital sex, is spoken against in the Bible,and its punishment detailed in truly vicious terms.

Let him who has not sinned.........
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written by That Kenyan Loser , March 01, 2007
Honey, please,

Let's just say gays, bisexuals and trannies chose to be so. Why then not let them have those choices? Some of us consider makeup, mini skirts, piercings etc, offensive. Should we go around chastising people who use them?

Once again, let people live their lives.

This is the last time nampigia mbuzi gitaa because, as Kamau said above, Africa has bigger problems than gays.




I beleive I have not quoted the bible, neither have I suggested anything related to western influences.

I have also NOT, indicated that homos be extinguished.

I beleive the response above is deep ingrained (i.e the thought that anyone opposing LGQTB protests wants to kill them), and it is the same I have heard all over. No one really takes time to reason through the lies.
Like murder, or prostitution, or robbery, or dictatorship, it will not go away: That does not mean that anyone has to accept it.

I simply want any of you to tell me what is the excuse for bisexuals and the trans
LGTQB should also stop lying that it is a scientific phenomenon.

Lastly Homos make their case lack credibility by accepting bisexuals as part of their umbrella group.

This People need shrinks, not rights to misbehave!

Let Homos live their life, let Christians live their lives, period. And christian life includes condemning homos, we can't do anything about it.

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written by Honey , March 01, 2007
Nobody has stopped them either. If we will talk choices, then please, I choose NOT to be taxed for such issues, I choose NOT to fund their activities, and choose NOT to live in their neighborhood.

The principles of liberty, Equality, rights should be interpreted responsibly not haphazardly.

Policies cannot be allowed to overule logic.

We agree to disagree.
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The final goal
written by Alexander , March 02, 2007
To all those who (like me) are disgusted by the present squabble and hatred among Christian primates who should be loving brethren and sisters, not thugs who are dissing each others, and are swinging crociers and thuribles against their opponents in nasty gang fights, I would like to offer the brilliant and deep quip of the Most Rev. The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, in answer to a question from journalists after the Primates' Meeting in Tanzania in mid-February:

Q: What message is this sending to people in the pews who are tired of this … what would you say is the end goal?

A: "The end goal is the Kingdom of God, isn’t it, and that takes a while."

Source: http://www.anglicancommunion.o...ns4255.cfm

Yours in the Lord,
Alexander
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written by Amir Ibrahim , March 02, 2007
Alex,
Why does it disgust you? There has been precious little love coming out of any Ibrahimic faith in the last 100 or so years, maybe even 2000 years. I seem to remember a lot of men with mitres trying to help the poor people of South America, and getting the rude finger from the little city on the hill.

Rowan Williams is not a Christian, he is a good man. Read up on anything he has said, gays, Muslims, Iraq, The War on Terror, Israel etc. I am sure too few in his flock pay heed.

Have you heard of John Sentamu? Williams' number two and the Archbishop of York, a former Ugandan no less.
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written by olivia , March 18, 2007
:confused: am not sure i agree with you, in as much as the church is a place of refuge it is unacceptable that we as christians come up with the craziest of ideas and justify it as normal and better yet expect the church to embrace us.in my view the reverend Akinola is putting way too much energy in fighting the gay clergy and community rather than pray and fast for them......Gays are really not normal people and they really need prayer and alot of help
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written by aeichener , March 19, 2007
Olivia's comment - in my perception - very much seems to reflect some of the impressions which Binyawanga Wainaina has shared with us in his musing in the Sunday Standard. My own feelings in this respect however are contradictory in themselves.

On one hand, churches have in legal history traditionally been places of refuge and asylum, though most of this had ended in Europe with enlightenment and secularization. On the other hand, can or should Christianity really be a cocoon to retract from the world? Like some white (zuid-)afrikaaners who now retreat to some newly-built "white-only" settlements, with heavily guarded fences and gates, and where the ubiquitous natives are not admitted? Is Christendom not rather supposed to be faith *in* the world, as opposed to Epicurean "late biosas" isolation?

No Christian - no religious person at all, in fact - is bound to "embrace" all worldly trends and fads, leave alone abuses. But there is a wide difference between embracing and tolerating. And while no-one can dispute a Church's right to regulate the moral conduct of its own faithful, everyone should dispute the insolent and temerary attempts of angy, tooth-baring and chest-thumping baboons in cloth and chasuble, who try to infringe upon the liberty of other faithful than their own (as within the Anglican non-Communit), or even upon secular society. Those clerics are no more than violent, brutal, hateful thugs, and so they deserve to be treated.

Alexander
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