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Narendra Modi, Raila Odinga and you.

Posted by Amir Ibrahim in Untagged 

Amir Ibrahim

The Minister for Foreign Affairs regularly distinguishes himself as a bad public servant, as a thoughtless and irresponsible politician. He is regularly held to account by a media that has no allegiance to him, this is how a democracy works. The media informs us so we can hold politicians to account.

The incredible waste of public resources, and the insensitivity shown in the wake of the national food crisis, the teachers' strike and the overall state of the economy by the decision to travel to DC and watch Obama's inauguration on Television is shocking.

But what of this little saga, what to do when the media fails in its duty. The Prime Minister of Kenya visits the Indian State of Gujarat accompanied by Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi, Agriculture Minister William Ruto, Roads Minister Chris Obure and Msambweni MP Kazungu Kambi. Yes, it is an ODM party, but it is also labelled an official visit and so paid for by your taxes.

The Minister for Trade and Industry, Uhuru Kenyatta was in Nairobi as was his Permanent Secretary. Even the Assistant Minister for Trade and Industry was in Nairobi, his name is Magara and he is ODM's Treasurer, or at least he was once.  The Kenyan Prime Minister in this joy ride was visiting Narendra Modi.

Kenyans would be interested to know who the man is, especially the many Kenyan Muslims who were won over by the Prime Minister's charms at the last election. They may be interested to read about Modi and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, or about his role in the massacre of 2000 Indian Muslims.

Your Prime Minister this week in India, 

Terrorism has no place in modern society. Humanity has lost great leaders who would have changed the history of mankind to terrorists. But it is my conviction that terrorists should not be allowed to win and will never win.

Interesting that, especially considering who he is visiting. The Economist on your Prime Minister's host,

There is also the small matter of 2,000 murdered Muslims, victims of a 2002 pogrom carried out by his Hindu-nationalist followers with the collusion of Gujarat's bureaucracy and police. This week the widow of a Muslim politician called Ahsan Jafri, whose limbs and genitals were hacked off and the rest of him burned alive, was due to file a petition in the Supreme Court, accusing Mr Modi of mass murder. There is little justice for Muslims in Gujarat. Only eight people have been convicted over the pogrom, mostly in neighbouring states. In Gujarat, some 2,000 cases remain pending. ...

That's not all there are more reports from Human Rights Watch ,  and from the US State Department which has banned Modi from travelling to the USA. Kenya of course revels in its dark ignorance.  The Times of India reports ,

"Human rights activists reported that the Gujarat police received specific instructions not to take action to prevent a possible violent reaction to the February 27 attack by Muslims on a train in Godhra," the report said.

"These observers asserted that Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi personally told Ahmedabad police officials on February 27 to allow Hindus two days to react 'peacefully' to the Godhra incident. 

"The police reportedly told Muslim victims, 'We don't have orders to help you'," it said.

The US report also quoted extensively from the findings of India's National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) to substantiate its charges against Modi.

"The NHRC held the Gujarat government responsible for the riots and accused it of a complicity that was tacit if not explicit," the US report said.

To wrap, your money was wasted in a trip that was labelled official but which had nothing of the makings of an official trip with no officials from the Trade Ministry or any state officials who could enter negotiations or signs agreements on behalf of the Kenyan people. This leisurely jaunt on your account was undertaken to visit a man of extremely questionable character, a cold and heartless man, the kind you go on marches wanting to take to The Hague.

The media in Kenya does not care, Kenyan Human Rights groups do not care, Modi visited your country very peacefully last year, your religious leaders do not care either, do you? Why march for Palestinians when you do not care about these Muslims? Are they any less Muslim on account of their being Indian?


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Muslims are hypocrites
written by Curious , January 18, 2009
I am curious. Did Kenyan muslims ever protest to condemn the murder of Kenyans who died in the US Embassy bombings?

Did Kenyan muslims ever protest the murder of Indians in the recent Mumbai attacks?

The destruction of centuries old (pre-dating islam) statues of Buddha by the taliban were met with few protests/condemnations by muslims.

Do you have any idea how many Hindus & Sikhs were killed by muslims in India?

muslims invaded India & forced their rule on Hindus raping the women & killing the men. Forced conversions & desecration of temples.
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Links to muslim atrocities
written by Curious , January 18, 2009
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written by Curious , January 18, 2009
Here is more on the discrimination against Hindus by muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...fghanistan

Hindus have generally stayed within "India" & have hardly proselytised militarily. muslim armies went east & west to kill, pillage & conquer. Of course, part of it was to enslave populations. The entire slave trade of E.Africa was controlled by muslims. It was the British who stopped it.

tippu tip was an arab muslim. So was the sultan of zanzibar.

Even in recent times, the muslims raped nun in northwest pakistan ostensibly because they were not muslims.
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come on
written by ibrahim , January 18, 2009
First of all there is not yet evidence indicating for sure that the bombers were Muslim or Pakistani. There are alternative theories that are at least as credible.

Check this out.
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Muslim atrocities through the ages
written by Curious , January 18, 2009
muslims do not discriminate. They kill anyone who is not a muslim.

Please explain the muslim actions that destroyed centuries old Buddha statues?
Who was there first, the Buddhists or the muslims?

mughal emperors committed atrocities against the Sikhs. Jahangir killed Guru Arjun Dev while aurangzeb killed Guru Tegh Bahadur who had refused conversion to islam. Guru Gobind Singh's sons were also tortured & killed.

I see you did not bother to answer or comment on any of the other matters. Why? ashamed?

muslims have never respected other religions. You merely tolerate us until you get the chance to kill us.

Tell me, what is the punishment for apostasy for muslims?
Why is it OK for a muslim to convert others (even by force) but not for a muslim to convert?
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written by gathara , January 19, 2009
Curious,
Are you postulating that xenophobia, mass-murder and genocide are uniquely Muslim attributes? I think the 6 million Jewish victims of a Christian holocaust might disagree as would the 1,000,000 victims murdered by their fellow Catholics.
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written by gathara , January 19, 2009
Curious,
Are you postulating that xenophobia, mass-murder and genocide are uniquely Muslim attributes? I think the 6 million Jewish victims of a Christian holocaust might disagree as would the 1,000,000 victims murdered by their fellow Catholics.
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written by gathara , January 19, 2009
Sorry. In the last line I meant to refer to the 1,000,000 victims of their fellow Catholics in Rwanda. While I'm at it I might as well add the barbaric Crusades, the Jewish ethnic cleansing of Canaan that's documented in the Bible, the many Hindu massacres of Muslims in India, the attempted genocide of Bosnian Muslims by the Serb Christians, the continuing apartheid system employed by the Jews in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories.
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muslims have been perpatrators of violence in India
written by Curious , January 19, 2009
Hindu massacres of muslims in India. Let's discuss.

The Hindus have generally kept within the greater India region. muslims were the invaders coming from the west & murdering others all the way to China. What is happening now is a PUSHBACK from Hindus who are fed up of being persecuted in their own land.

muslims in India have far more rights than Hindus in muslim lands.

Since the discussion was based on the so-called massacres of muslims in Gujarat so I am going to focus on greater India (which includes the countries that constitute the subcontinent of India & former Hindu lands).

Go through some of the links I have provided & you will see why Hindus distrust muslim intentions. Aurangzeb was a muslim mughal emperor who pushed sharia on Hindus & forced conversions. The Sikhs & Marathas were instrumental in combating muslim mughals.

No, the Hindus were not imposing their religion or beliefs on the muslim invaders BUT the muslims who derided the Hindus.
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Are Hindus any less Human?
written by Curious , January 19, 2009
These muslims are marching for the palestinians but they never march for any other people. To muslims, Hindus are heathens & no 'people of the book' so have little value.

The same attitudes led to the slave trade. Yes, islam ALLOWS for slavery. When you ask muslim scholars about salvery & islam, they draw the discussion to 'western' slave trade.

muslims justify islam & slavery by saying it is 'compassionate' slavery. Anyone ask the slave?

BTW, just saw the news on how muslim but black Iraqis are considered 2nd class citizens in Iraq. Even the muslim but black Siddhis of Gujarat in India are looked down on by their fellow muslims.
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Are Muslims?
written by gathara , January 19, 2009
Muslims had nothing to do with the massacre of 3000 Sikhs by enraged Hindus following the assassination of Indira Ghandi in 1984. Nothing to do with last year's outbreak of Hindu-Christian violence in the east Indian state of Orissa.

As for discrimination, what exactly do you think the caste system is?
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written by Curious , January 25, 2009
Turns out I am not the only Kenyan pissed off at the antics of Kenyan muslims who put other muslims above their fellow Kenyans.

http://stockskenya.com/newsite/stkForumTopic.aspx?stk=1002&top=12043
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